$2500 Turbo Kit update 11/2/08

[cdydjded]

Here are some pics of the final version of the I/C piping routing, not sure if I mentioned that the buyer will have the option to have the I/C pipes powder coated to any color of there choice. I have had some delays in the production because of it raining every weekend here in Miami.



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[TheRealEnth]

WAIT WOAH SOMEONE FROM MIAMI ... THE TURBOS BEING DONE IN MIAMI o.0 Where are you!!!!
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[Morgan]

What kind of turbo and engine management?

[Thej3sta2]

WTF. . .

[PetersRedYaris]

Nice tube routing, sort of looks like my Volvo V70 T5 with the pipe coming right over the engine cover.

Your work looks well thought out and cleanly integrated. Keep this up and you will have no trouble selling these...

[ChinoCharles]

Oh my goodness. Isn't that sexy. :drool: Please make that work. I want that.

[cali yaris]

Looks really good, I'm glad this is nearing completion and availability! :thumbsup:

[PETERPOOP]

NICE. Glad to see you're still alive. Can't wait. I'll be purchasing your kit for sure. But i'll be paying a little extra to get a garrett turbo instead of the taiwanese one put in. ;)

[m911gt]

I wonder what body part I could sell to buy this while still in school? :) Great work, I'm very much looking forward to this!

[m911gt]

Just to clarify, we are talking about ~$2500 for the entire kit...including intercooler and management?

[PETERPOOP]

From what I remember, yes it does include all of that. Still wondering if it's coming with tc throttle body.

[m911gt]

wow, that's seemingly outstanding

[TheRealEnth]

Is this guy making it out of his own driveway or does he have a shop?

[Tamago]

Is this guy making it out of his own driveway or does he have a shop?

does it matter?

prototyping can be done anywhere..it's the bends you want done by a CNC bender ;)

good work, i actually considered this piping route before i went to my tiny IC setup

[TheRealEnth]

No i don't mean if its ghetto or pro... Its just im a local, so if he has a shop i could bring my yaris there and such.

[Tamago]

No i don't mean if its ghetto or pro... Its just im a local, so if he has a shop i could bring my yaris there and such.

you can bring your yaris to my shop ;) with his turbo kit.. i'll install it for you :biggrin:

[TheRealEnth]

Where are you located?

[Tamago]

Where are you located?

downtown ft lauderdale.

[marcus]

sweet..

[KCALB SIRAY]

subscribed

[heeroyuy01195]

What kind of turbo and engine management?

I second this one, what kind of engine management?

[cali yaris]

I believe it's the AEM FI-C

Looking forward very much to published dyno results.

[PHXDEMON]

NICE. Glad to see you're still alive. Can't wait. I'll be purchasing your kit for sure. But i'll be paying a little extra to get a garrett turbo instead of the taiwanese one put in. ;) +1 I want this kit with a garrett turbo.

[Malaya1221]

nice! anyone wants to buy my front strut bar!:biggrin:

[whooppee777]

do u think you could sell just the intercooler and some piping or have it redesigned to work with the blitz supercharger?

i kinda want an intercooler with mine. but i dont really know if it would be worth it. i know any drop in intake temps is good for some power but i dont know if the lower temps would out weight any loss in power from having to travel through the pipes and intercooler to the supercharger.

[cali yaris]

s/c with an I/C would be badass, whooppee. :bow:

[Nexus1155]

Blitz doesn't offer smaller pulley options does it :(

[PETERPOOP]

What kind of turbo and engine management?

It's a taiwanese turbo and the AEM FIC. He will warranty the kit for a year.

[cali yaris]

Blitz doesn't offer smaller pulley options does it :(

No, but that doesn't mean some R & D isn't in process... :rolleyes:

[Morgan]

It's a taiwanese turbo and the AEM FIC. He will warranty the kit for a year.

thanks! (and thanks cali yaris)

[Thej3sta2]

I thought this would look cool. ..


http://i35.tinypic.com/21bsxl5.jpg

[Thej3sta2]

or somthing like that maybe a little more pointing forword for the cold air and all. But you would save money on tubing lengthe and it looks sick. . . . My opinion of course.

You wont have the lower intercooler showing or looking that cool or cliche and all, but i think its functional and and better placed. If garm end up with a hood with a scoop or some type of inductor itd be even more functional. But as far as air flow if its tilted a little it would grab air from the grill.

[PETERPOOP]

I know what you are saying, but I don't think most of us here will have a hood that will work with the placement of the I/C there. I know I will be spending all my money on this kit and won't have extra cash for an unpainted hood, then to ship it here, then to have it painted. I think the original placement of the I/C is the most accommadating.

[at3GG]

**THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE INSULTING ACCUSATORY OR CONFRONTATIONAL**

Who is this guys whos making this anyway? Does he have/work in a shop?
Or just a dedicated gear head?

[Thej3sta2]

I know what you are saying, but I don't think most of us here will have a hood that will work with the placement of the I/C there. I know I will be spending all my money on this kit and won't have extra cash for an unpainted hood, then to ship it here, then to have it painted. I think the original placement of the I/C is the most accommadating.

thats the reason i would put it lower and angled so you can get air from the front grille. It would look and work very well IMO. . .

[PETERPOOP]

Well what's significant about getting air through the grill and not the lower valance? i'm just confused

[Thej3sta2]

that was just a concept i mean of course youll have cooler air from downstairs but i just made my suggestion for the piping purpose cuase its less piping for the intercooler. I dont know im not a turbo head like eveyone else. But that setup would have been pretty sweet a production induction hood.

[KCALB SIRAY]

that was just a concept i mean of course youll have cooler air from downstairs but i just made my suggestion for the piping purpose cuase its less piping for the intercooler. I dont know im not a turbo head like eveyone else. But that setup would have been pretty sweet a production induction hood.

it would work well with my induction hood design:thumbsup:

[PetersRedYaris]

I thought this would look cool. ..


http://i35.tinypic.com/21bsxl5.jpg

Yep, with a hood scoop...

[KCALB SIRAY]

that was just a concept i mean of course youll have cooler air from downstairs but i just made my suggestion for the piping purpose cuase its less piping for the intercooler. I dont know im not a turbo head like eveyone else. But that setup would have been pretty sweet a production induction hood.

Yep, with a hood scoop...


This would work

[Thej3sta2]

that would actually work very well. . .

[Thej3sta2]

Garm get on it ^ ^ ^

lol

[KCALB SIRAY]

can ya say it one more time =)

[dacourier]

I thought this would look cool. ..


http://i35.tinypic.com/21bsxl5.jpgThat concept would look and work great in my non professional opinion.:thumbsup: I like it kinda gives you a sleeper scenario.

[Thej3sta2]

until you open the hoop.

Muhaaaahhahahaahaahaaaaaaaa

[whooppee777]

do u think you could sell just the intercooler and some piping or have it redesigned to work with the blitz supercharger?

i kinda want an intercooler with mine. but i dont really know if it would be worth it. i know any drop in intake temps is good for some power but i dont know if the lower temps would out weight any loss in power from having to travel through the pipes and intercooler to the supercharger.

bump for my question

s/c with an I/C would be badass, whooppee. :bow:

i know it would be and i've got the ballz to do it

[cali yaris]

oh yeah they are so BIG and they hang so LOW, you da MAN!

[Galavoxx]

This thread was crazy hijacked. Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing the outcome. I'm glad that most of you stuck around after the data loss.

[PETERPOOP]

Oh don't worry. I'm not going nowhere without this kit in my car.

[Thej3sta2]

+2 baby

[CAJUIN]

hey im in miami also usually near miami lakes or biscayne

[jones]

http://i35.tinypic.com/21bsxl5.jpg

+ 1 with the scoop a la Impreza WRX. If you've ever seen under the hood of a WRX it looks exactly like this.
I reckon the yaris would look awesome with a WRX hood scoop.

[djgab101]

here is a quick photoshop shit job my bad i know it look really bad but i had to do it quickly

[Treyz]

http://i35.tinypic.com/21bsxl5.jpg

My only problem with this is whether it will clear an aftermarket intake manifold when they are completed. You gotta remember you need the clearance for that. If the clearance is fine, then I say a late model Celica style scoop.

Also, is there going to be a heat shield offered for the ECM? Looks kinda close to it in terms of the heat being let off.

[Thej3sta2]

My only problem with this is whether it will clear an aftermarket intake manifold when they are completed. You gotta remember you need the clearance for that. If the clearance is fine, then I say a late model Celica style scoop.

Also, is there going to be a heat shield offered for the ECM? Looks kinda close to it in terms of the heat being let off.

well that style is a good concept cause the tilt would be fucional depending on the intake mani. the mor it stick out give it a better angle. . .

I would like to know the opinion from the guy making the kit...

[Thej3sta2]

also the original design looks like it might hit with an after market Intake Mani. That is if its a log design. Id say go with my design and give me a free turbo kit.

[Tamago]

http://i35.tinypic.com/21bsxl5.jpg

+ 1 with the scoop a la Impreza WRX. If you've ever seen under the hood of a WRX it looks exactly like this.
I reckon the yaris would look awesome with a WRX hood scoop.

if you've ever seen under the hood of a WRX it looks nothing like that ;)

http://images.turbomagazine.com/features/0201tur_06zoom+2002_Subaru_WRX+Engine.jpg

hoods are cheap.. i say do the V-mount design that thejesta posted, and chop that hood open :D

[CASTREX]

This is the TRD TMIC for the 1NZ on the first gen Yaris TS.

It doesn't even use an hood scoop. I has like a plastic device attached under the hood that takes the air from the front grill and channels it to the IC.

[PETERPOOP]

thanks, but no thanks. i want the original design. maybe you can have him custom pipe something on request. but i want the original design

[Treyz]

thanks, but no thanks. i want the original design. maybe you can have him custom pipe something on request. but i want the original design
I'm thinking that the original would be better due to the fact that it's direct ram air in the front dam as opposed to collecting some engine heat from inside the engine bay (hence why most top mount cars tend to get a front mount later on when modifying).

Unless they want to offer a stage one with a top mount and a stage two with the front mount.

[cali yaris]

well, the original is what he's MAKING, as far as I know -- I think he's done with designing it and laying it out. Maybe the OP can confirm.

[ztrack157]

one of the guys who bought the intake from trickie dickie should loan it to this guy to do a fitment test and a dyno run. And of course they should get a nice discount for the loan out

[at3GG]

what brand/size/model etc is the intercooler?

[mark7337]

so would a t3 t4 do good with this kit or a tdo4 please bare with me i think those are the turbos stock on srt 4s would that do good on this kit

[gboezio]

I'm glad someone have the balls to build one, but I ever overcome my women "you ain't touching this one !!" rule, I would use a Garrett unit and nothing else, they are more expensive but well worth the extra money, but that's me.
As far as fuel management, the e-throttle is the big headache, I'm not aware how hard it is to reflash this ECU and if someone have the BIN files extracted and decoded yet !?
Sure thing a RRFPR could do the job up to 4 to 6 PSI, but would trigger the CEL for sure.

[cali yaris]

No one has been able to reflash this ECU yet --- go for it.

Garrett FTW, agreed.

[Nexus1155]

well im going to be going back onto hacking the ecu as with all of the information i gathered and parts i just ordered today, im going to be making a thread in a minute......I hope this turbo kit comes through, or else im going to buy an Eaton M45 supercharger that i saw for cheap cheap....MOAR UPDATES

[PETERPOOP]

updates? geez

[PHXDEMON]

updates? geez

.

[LtNoogie]

I assume that if and when the kit is produced, you all will be doing this as a "weekend" install yourselves?

From recent experience on another "minor" project, it helps to have small hands, a buddy to help, and a second car. Working during daylight hours or in a well-lit garage is a must.

Start collecting all the metric tools you can get during the holiday sale season. Socket extensions, Torx sockets, metric hex keys... they all make good stocking stuffers to yourself.

Did I mention you need a second car?

[PETERPOOP]

haha, thanks for the tips. i got it covered! you see my garage? second car is not a problem! more tools is always a must though

[Jerkratt]

still watching this thread

[TheRealEnth]

second car?

[anubisx99]

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[anubisx99]

updates? geez

:iono:

[9vapors]

Im here for the turbo kit!

[m911gt]

Im here for the turbo kit!

would you like to supersize that order for $0.59 more?

[cali yaris]

it's amazing how creative you get when you want to keep a thread alive.

[treppen]

^lol i know iv been watching since 1988... at least thats how it feels

[at3GG]

ok NOOB question. With the IC piping going directly to the intake, where does the initial air for the engine come from? Is there simply enough "stuck" in the intercool to be sucked in to fire the engine? Or is it just that when the spark ignites the fuel...explosion..pulls in more o2?

[gboezio]

http://beesandgoats.com/boostfaq/turbo_diagram.jpg

[cali yaris]

the "air in" part is where some tubing and your air filter goes, just for clarity.

[Tamago]

the "air in" part is where some tubing and your air filter goes, just for clarity.

for some reason this made me LOL.. thanks, Captain Obvious :biggrin::biggrin:

[Tamago]

i think someone has hit "THE WALL"
http://www.channel4.com/film/media/images/Channel4/film/R/run_fatboy_run_xl_01--film-B.jpg

[at3GG]

ahhhhh ok sorry for the dumb question

[at3GG]

so wait...his intake assembly is going to be behind the engine then?

[gboezio]

I guess, the turbo need to be very close in the exhaust piping, just above the oil level for oil drainback, so the air intake need to bring fresh unrestricted air there, pressurized and sent out front for cooling, back to the throttle body.


As far as fuel management, I just don't see how not to upset the computer, piggyback is a hell of a headache and not cheap, the adaptation of the ECU will mess the tune in a matter of hours, it need a complete reflash, or to run a standalone in conjunction with the present computer to run the acceesories, but the EMS will still be pissed off...
The only ways I see to do this from now is either to run a 5000 $ Motec EMS or revert to cable throttle, hacksawing the whole throttle system and revert to pre historic engine control.
To run a piggyback:
EGO :
we need to lie to the EMS, we need to control, O2 sensors signal so the ECU thinks that it's running right not detecting the over rich condition or it will trim the fuel gradually until maxed out, then will trigger limp mode
MAF :
Limit the MAF signal so the EMS don't detect overboost and trigger limp home maps, the ECU need to think he's running WOT
Relying on a MAF signal mod will mess the timing tables, so the engine need to run as stock below 0 PSI
Injectors :
Intercept the injector signal modifying it to run larger injectors, the piggyback need to read Manifold pressure and compute pulse width
Ignition :
Intercept the CPS signal and offset the signal as boost retard (6 PSI+), still the engine may see that the crank is not phased with the cams sensors and trigger a CEL and limp mode, if below 6 PSI leave timing in full advance, use higher octane fuels instead.
I'm sure that if I think of it some more I will find even more stuff and the ECU will fight back any abnormalities, it may even datalog and blow the warranty, if someone care :D

Edit : I told you I'll find something else lol, the EMS may be able to compute that the TPS and MAF signal are out of wack and trigger limp mode again.
Testing testing testing...

[heeroyuy01195]

the "air in" part is where some tubing and your air filter goes, just for clarity.

And sometimes fury woodland creatures, birds, etc. :biggrin: lol




But I've only seen that happen on all out racecars that just happen to suck in an animal while on the track....Actually one of the Ferrari F1 cars got taken out of a race because a bird got sucked into the engine...poor little guy :(


So no updates? :frown:

[cali yaris]

poor little guy :(

The driver? LOL

[heeroyuy01195]

The driver? LOL

I'll leave that for you guys to decide :wink:

[at3GG]

anyone know the measurments of this IC? whats the max our engine bay will allow without serious cutting?

[cali yaris]

measure your lower grill :rolleyes:

[Tamago]

measure your lower grill :rolleyes:

lol making me laugh on a sunday.....

[cali yaris]

glad to be of service, Mr Tamago.

Sincerely,

Mr. Obvious

[Tamago]

glad to be of service, Mr Tamago.

Sincerely,

Mr. Obvious

i fabbed mounting brackets on an intercooler for a 300+whp mazda 323 today.. needless to say, he didn't measure his lower grille before he bought the IC..

but who cares.. that car GOES!

[Nexus1155]

lol and please don't buy a super huge IC thinking you will gain more, im using one that is around 12x10

[Tamago]

lol and please don't buy a super huge IC thinking you will gain more, im using one that is around 12x10

my IC is tiny and never overheats.. small cars + small turbo need short IC piping and properly sized IC.

[cali yaris]

small cars + small turbo need short IC piping and properly sized IC.

+1 !

[at3GG]

ok thanks thats all i was trying to figure out.

[anonymous user]

i fabbed mounting brackets on an intercooler for a 300+whp mazda 323 today.. needless to say, he didn't measure his lower grille before he bought the IC..

but who cares.. that car GOES!

Geez, I bet!! Is it the GTX model? That's my fave. Rally-x!!!!

[pinoypizzaboy]

http://beesandgoats.com/boostfaq/turbo_diagram.jpg
im a noob at this.. but wich part do you attach the blow off valve? thru the intake piping or exhaust part? :smile:

[Nexus1155]

http://members.optusnet.com.au/loxy/car/turbo/install/intercooler/bov.jpg

You tell me! ;) We'll play a little hidden object game

[Treyz]

So is this another project gone MIA?

WE NEED UPDATES CDYDJDED!!!

Then again, it's been a month since the thread was created again from the hack.

[pinoypizzaboy]

http://members.optusnet.com.au/loxy/car/turbo/install/intercooler/bov.jpg

You tell me! ;) We'll play a little hidden object game

hmm so its bolted to the intake tubing? :confused:

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Looks like an existing turbo set up for the Toasters. :drool:

[LtNoogie]

These turbo threads seem to start out big and then peter out when the kit becomes vaporware.

[at3GG]

I know I really wish they wouldnt too. Every time i ask a question though i feel like a jacka$$ because i dont know it.

[PHXDEMON]

hmm so its bolted to the intake tubing? :confused: Exactly. Blow off valves really do not have much of a performance advantage unless you're running really high horsepower and high boost. Most people install them on their turbo kits because they make such a cool sound :biggrin:

[Nexus1155]

http://www.goapr.com/Audi/products/r1.html

APR just came out with a new diverter valve, they are mainly a VAG performance website, but it's just a diverter valve. I personally have Baileys myself....No cool sound(its there but faint), but it does recirculate the air so it is not wasted into atmosphere

[4MPG]

im a noob at this.. but wich part do you attach the blow off valve? thru the intake piping or exhaust part? :smile:

The BOV is placed after the turbo, in the compressed air (turbo to engine) section. The purpose of the BOV is to both help regulate maximum pressure in the intake (so it can be set to xxx max PSI) and to "blow off' whenever you lift off the throttle.

If you didn't have a blow off, or didn't have one properly sized for your application, on top of not being able to regulate the boost pressure you would get an effect called compressor surge. Basically when you snap closed the t/b blade (let off the gas) you have alot of pressure that is built up in the intake piping, and it has nowhere to go but back thru the turbo itself. This is generally pretty hard on the turbo, and can lead to bearing failure etc etc.

[at3GG]

did you fab your manifold yourself?

[Tamago]

The BOV is placed after the turbo, in the compressed air (turbo to engine) section. The purpose of the BOV is to both help regulate maximum pressure in the intake (so it can be set to xxx max PSI) and to "blow off' whenever you lift off the throttle.

If you didn't have a blow off, or didn't have one properly sized for your application, on top of not being able to regulate the boost pressure you would get an effect called compressor surge. Basically when you snap closed the t/b blade (let off the gas) you have alot of pressure that is built up in the intake piping, and it has nowhere to go but back thru the turbo itself. This is generally pretty hard on the turbo, and can lead to bearing failure etc etc.

blow off valves do not regulate maximum air pressure

this is handled by a wastegate

and generally low boost applications don't require a BOV..

[Treyz]

At this rate, I'm looking at customizing my own (guys at customizemyscion.com want me to do it as well as helping me out on the cost of things).

I'd rather have an actual kit that has numbers though.

[90tsi]

i believe that phrase your looking for is compressor surge.

[ztrack157]

another one bites the dust

[Tamago]

At this rate, I'm looking at customizing my own (guys at customizemyscion.com want me to do it as well as helping me out on the cost of things).

I'd rather have an actual kit that has numbers though.

numbers are not based on what's in the kit..

[Treyz]

I mean in terms of being safe. So far 4 people have tried tuning and no go. Only one supposively is someone from Texas. It's in another thread on here. Had a discussion with Garm on the phone not too lng ago.

[Tamago]

I mean in terms of being safe. So far 4 people have tried tuning and no go. Only one supposively is someone from Texas. It's in another thread on here. Had a discussion with Garm on the phone not too lng ago.

you gotta pay to play, just go full stand-alone :)

[ztrack157]

Treyz aem has been asses in terms of helping with tuning of their own product. Maybe offer them a sponsership space on the car in return for help with tuning.

[m911gt]

ehem

[PETERPOOP]

there will be an update soon...

[at3GG]

soon.........how soon?

[Treyz]

Treyz aem has been asses in terms of helping with tuning of their own product. Maybe offer them a sponsership space on the car in return for help with tuning.
AEM = Extra Spark. I might talk with the guys at Hybrid to see whats up. I'm gonna talk to Vinny Ten since he deals them out.

[PETERPOOP]

soon.........how soon?

This weekend. :headbang:

[m911gt]

excellent

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

AEM = Extra Spark. I might talk with the guys at Hybrid to see whats up. I'm gonna talk to Vinny Ten since he deals them out.

i saw that vinny also does work with the POWER ENTERPRISE superchargers....

[at3GG]

THIS weekend...................:drool:

[1nz]

The oil pressure feed is from the oil sending unit right?

So what about the oil return line, did you drill the original oil pan?

[Arkhangel]

id be down with something like this :D

Whats the word on the kit?
This is the TRD TMIC for the 1NZ on the first gen Yaris TS.

It doesn't even use an hood scoop. I has like a plastic device attached under the hood that takes the air from the front grill and channels it to the IC.

[PETERPOOP]

The guy who's doing it is busy with his own business or starting it up or something. He said he only has time to work on it during the weekends if even that. He also said he didn't work on it due to the rainy season. Who knows when this will ever come out. I waited and waited for it, but it's time to move on.

[Tamago]

kits are overrated

[Arkhangel]

kits are overrated

But for some of us that dont know what to do its a starting point