"S" cluster in non s car?

[mikenacarato]

Is it possible to swap the cluster from the "S" or the sedan into the cars without the tach. I would really like to add a tach but want to go the most oem look as possible.

[Stargate YARlantIS]

I'm wondering about this myself....they both seem to be the same size

[JosephDoc]

Same here!! I would get one if it works, but another question I have is about how the odometer will get the mileage programmed.
There is a related thread about this but it seems no one confirm with 09’ s-model in USA.

[mikenacarato]

the mileage isnt stored on the cluster, its stored in the ecu. ive swapped the cluster out on my volvo before which was all electronic so i bet you can do it too the yaris. i bet a cluster isnt cheap though.

[hatchbackkid82]

i thought this was beat to death before tha hack

[PaidTimeOff]

i thought this was beat to death before tha hack

it was, and I believe the consensus was that it is not plug and play. You could probably get a cluster and wire it if you're familiar with the wires in the dash.

[PHXDEMON]

I believe it fits physically but it is a PITA to wire.

[cali yaris]

My Scion tC stores mileage data in the cluster. So I don't know about the Yaris.

[darthbauer]

I think before the hack they also figured out that it was stored in the cluster.

Also the price for a new S cluster ended up being around $500.

[frodos]

but the US liftback doesn't have tach will that work ? mine have it but is all digital

[IllusionX]

i thought it was all already been over that it works?

if you get a LB cluster with tach will work on all other LB. same for sedan.


and the mileage is stored in the cluster

[PetersRedYaris]

Sedan cluster will NOT fit an LB. An Lb 'S' cluster should plug and play with a non 'S' LB, but good luck finding one. And supposedely mileage is stored in both the ECU and cluster...

[PaidTimeOff]

Sedan cluster will NOT fit an LB. An Lb 'S' cluster should plug and play with a non 'S' LB, but good luck finding one. And supposedely mileage is stored in both the ECU and cluster...

This plug and play suggestion is from experience? Because from what I remember some people looked in to this prehack and came to the conclusion that it would require wiring...

[PetersRedYaris]

No, I thought someone on here had done it, or at least compared the two side by side. If I am wrong I will happily delete the post...

[mikenacarato]

well it shouldnt be a problem finding one, the dealer should be able to get them. if its plug and play then i may do it

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The mileage is contained in the cluster. I bought a second project cluster on eBaY and whenever I hooked it up, the lcd said my mileage was 16,000+. I only had like 12,000 miles on my car at the time.

[mikenacarato]

did it work?

[PetersRedYaris]

well it shouldnt be a problem finding one, the dealer should be able to get them. if its plug and play then i may do it

Yeah, I meant finding one for cheap would be difficult. Although maybe more wrecked Yarii S's are showing up at salvages...

[mikenacarato]

ya, i would rather have the oem tach then any other one. just looks oem to say the least. i wonder if i can get them to install it for me before i pick my car up

[PetersRedYaris]

I agree the OEM tach is the only way to make it look right. I would think the dealer would have no problem installing it for you as taking it to the dealer is really the only correct way to swap a cluster. Don't let them charge you for over 1 hour of labor though, the cluster comes out super easy...

[mikenacarato]

ill do the work myself thats not an issue, its programming if any that i would need them to do.

[JosephDoc]

I found out the list price is around $780, 09' S-LB (USA) :eek:. I did not ask about mileage reprogram but they told me 20% restocking charge. :cry:

Can we host a chip-in pot for this project if restocking apply?? (j/k, Ill wait!)
:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:

I dropped by the dealer 2 weeks ago but did not see any 09' model yet, and talking about this cluster at parts counter is kind of vague for now. (I actually called in the wholesale line with my company account).

[mikenacarato]

list is 780 so if the sale price is above 600 you getting owned.

[JosephDoc]

:laughabove::laughabove:
I am not even sure if the wholesale guy @ dealer knew what he was checking on. He sounded like "huh? wtf??" over the phone.

[mikenacarato]

i got off the phone with toyota now they said 480 for the cluster. 10% restock fee and they would have to program it as well. of course i get decent pricing as my company has a parts account with them.

[JosephDoc]

hmm... we should get more phone calls and find out the part number to compare. I am almost there just want to order one and see if it works or not.

[mikenacarato]

thats what i was going to do. but if anyone is wanting immediate results you will have to wait 6-8 weeks for my car to arrive.

[IllusionX]

they MIGHT or might not have the tools to set the mileage on those things.

i believe the mileage on a cluster is HARD WRITTEN for security reasons, so that nobody in ANY way can modify the mileage on a cluster.

BUT... anyone mind telling me why you would worry so much about what's written on the ODO ?

[n2oinferno]

Because if you report your mileage incorrectly, it's considered fraud, I believe.

[BrazdonW]

def fraud

[PaidTimeOff]

BUT... anyone mind telling me why you would worry so much about what's written on the ODO ?

Because if you're selling the car through a private party sale, then you could tell them the odometer reading, they'll read it on the odometer in the dash, and they'll take your word for it even if it's incorrect. Average individuals do not have the tools to compare the odometer reading to the reading in the internal computer before they purchase the car, or even after.

[mikenacarato]

ya, i want to make sure toyota will be able to sync the clusters or flash it somehow so it reads correct mileage.

[IllusionX]

Because if you're selling the car through a private party sale, then you could tell them the odometer reading, they'll read it on the odometer in the dash, and they'll take your word for it even if it's incorrect. Average individuals do not have the tools to compare the odometer reading to the reading in the internal computer before they purchase the car, or even after.


so.. you mind telling me why are you modifying it if you plan to sell it? :D

[PaidTimeOff]

so.. you mind telling me why are you modifying it if you plan to sell it? :D

I'm not planning on selling it, but you never know what your situation will be down the road. And modifying the car does not make it unsellable.

You could also possibly run into warranty issues as well if the mileage on the odometer doesn't match up with the internal computer. It is FRAUD to tamper with these things and not have the proper paperwork for it.

[IllusionX]

how about swapping in a 235k miles 1nz engine in there? with the original cluster? :D

on a side note: toyota dealers here puts a sticker (i think it's government issued, i'm not sure as i never really looked at it) it writes the mileage the engine was swapped. i believe they do the same with clusters.


someone should short circuit their cluster, and tell me what their dealer actually do :)

[firemachine69]

Mileage is kept in the ECU. Dash swaps do not affect it.

[n2oinferno]

Mileage is kept in the ECU. Dash swaps do not affect it.

If this is true it is good to hear.

[IllusionX]

Mileage is kept in the ECU. Dash swaps do not affect it.

Do you have anything to prove what you are saying ?


note: can you imagine how much calculations the ecu has to do for the unit conversions ? ie, plugging a US cluster into a Canadian yaris.
on a second note, could you imagine how many car's mileage is gone to hell because of an ECU swap ? (ECU do give errors and/or dies, so they are changed)

[mikenacarato]

on my volvo and in gm cars the mileage is in the ecu.

illusionx, if its true what you are saying where is your proof?

[Kioshi]

I have printouts from Fremont Toyota mechanic Joseph of the 07 cluster and 08 S cluster diagrams and wire configuration. The rep said it can be swapped, but there is one connector that is different from the 07 to 08 S model for the gauge cluster. He said the techs dont want to be liable for anything on your car that isn't factory equipped....so therefore, i could not get him to do a swap for me~

I have the diagrams, if you want to see those or make copies to try and have your mechanics do it, i can give those to you.....

[mikenacarato]

thats cool. if they changed some connectors from 07 to 08 then hopefully they didnt change from 08 to 09

[Malaya1221]

so, can you swap the clusters and how much is the cluster w/ tach?

[mikenacarato]

people have been quoted different prices, from 460-600 for the s cluster...and it has not been 100% confirmed if you can swap them.

[IllusionX]

on my volvo and in gm cars the mileage is in the ecu.

illusionx, if its true what you are saying where is your proof?

see.. on your volvo. i have swapped Echo's and 01+ Civic clusters. they are saved into the cluster.

I agree with you for the GM cars even if i don't have experience with them. You can choose to display your mileage in Km(h) and miles(h) so, i'm sure it has to be stored elsewhere and have a computer to convert the data (my guess is it might not be straight in the ECU)