Obama is the 44th US president

[Ryu]

WOooooooot !!!

CNN just announce the news that Obama is the new US president :headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang: :headbang:

[Astroman]

:thumbup:

[johnnypaseo]

i have the flux capacitor ready just incase

[DMart]

YESSIR!!!

[kuyachris84]

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[bzinn 1]

Nice to see what could be a great day in America.......I think he will make a good President.

[TheRealEnth]

THANK GOD WOOOOOOOT GO OBAMA!!!!! WE DID IT !!!!!!

[Malaya1221]

:clap: Congratz!

[GeneW]

WOooooooot !!!

CNN just announce the news that Obama is the new US president :headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang: :headbang:

Can't help but feel sorry for the man too.....

He is in one of the toughest economic periods of US history. We're on the brink of a recession. Inflation is almost guaranteed because of continuous Fed liquidity increases since 2001, and huge increases this fall.

Obama has committed the US to implementing the Kyoto treaty. He promises to be 'tougher' than anyone else. At the very same time he is promising to end Outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to areas of the world which are not under Kyoto restrictions. Businesses instead will go bankrupt or find loopholes to permit outsourcing.

Obama has promised a middle class tax cut. He has promised to fully fund an aggressive expansion of AmeriCorps. He will do these things during a recession and inflation?

While initially campaigning as a "peace candidate" Obama has since committed to increasing troop deployments in Afghanistan. He has also promised to aid Israel if it is attacked. Where he will find the money for these things I do not know.

I call Obama Jimmy Carter with a tan. That may sound mean but it's not far from the truth. I expect him to serve for one term, and to end up defeated and disillusioned like Mr. Carter.


Enjoy your celebrations. Me, I voted for Bob Barr and did not have a dog in this hunt. Still, it's gonna be an exciting two years until the 2010 elections.

Gene

[Shroomster]

Enjoy your celebrations. Me, I voted for Bob Barr and did not have a dog in this hunt. Still, it's gonna be an exciting two years until the 2010 elections.
Gene

Edited by shroomster: because even typing 'I wasn't being sarcastic', what i typed was still kinda rough and I apologize to Gene.

[Rain]

I can't wait for tomorrow. This is really something O_O

[TheRealEnth]

THIS IS SOMETHING... YOU ARE RIGHT RAIN... THIS IS LIKE OH MY GOD.... hes our president... we put him there, we made this happen.. we caused change... Hes the president of OUR country.. yes we can

[50MPGDream]

Can't help but feel sorry for the man too.....

He is in one of the toughest economic periods of US history. We're on the brink of a recession. Inflation is almost guaranteed because of continuous Fed liquidity increases since 2001, and huge increases this fall.

Obama has committed the US to implementing the Kyoto treaty. He promises to be 'tougher' than anyone else. At the very same time he is promising to end Outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to areas of the world which are not under Kyoto restrictions. Businesses instead will go bankrupt or find loopholes to permit outsourcing.

Obama has promised a middle class tax cut. He has promised to fully fund an aggressive expansion of AmeriCorps. He will do these things during a recession and inflation?

While initially campaigning as a "peace candidate" Obama has since committed to increasing troop deployments in Afghanistan. He has also promised to aid Israel if it is attacked. Where he will find the money for these things I do not know.

I call Obama Jimmy Carter with a tan. That may sound mean but it's not far from the truth. I expect him to serve for one term, and to end up defeated and disillusioned like Mr. Carter.


Enjoy your celebrations. Me, I voted for Bob Barr and did not have a dog in this hunt. Still, it's gonna be an exciting two years until the 2010 elections.

Geneas usual, well put Gene, continue to keep your chin up

I can see the LP coming out stronger after a botched liberal controlled government. After carter dropped the ball Reagan picked it up proclaimed "government is not the solution to the problem, government is the problem" a theory many of us still hold dear. Perhaps the gov't getting bigger, then not delivering on the promise of hope/change quite the way the Obama supporters have hoped for, then getting knocked down a few rungs will get more people to discover this.

[Shroomster]

as usual, well put Gene, continue to keep your chin up

I can see the LP coming out stronger after a botched liberal controlled government. After carter dropped the ball Reagan picked it up proclaimed "government is not the solution to the problem, government is the problem" a theory many of us still hold dear. Perhaps the gov't getting bigger, then not delivering on the promise of hope/change quite the way the Obama supporters have hoped for, then getting knocked down a few rungs will get more people to discover this.

and how long has this belief been holding it's chin up for? 20,30,40 years now?

[50MPGDream]

I'm serious, I like to look at the ignorant side of the U.s voter who decides to waste their vote and not vote for either of the two "domineering" parties....

I also voted for Barr, I knew very well that my vote didn't matter, not because I was voting 3rd party, but because I live in Illinois, Obama's home state that has a long history of voting dem (thanks Chicago)

if you determine that I wasted my vote because I felt the candidate that I supported was the best fit to pass my beliefs as to how the country should be run, I ask you why? just because I know my guy isn't going to win this election I should just stay home? or should I join the crowd and vote for who I think will win? maybe I should pick the lesser of two evils? perhaps the better looking candidate should get my vote?

the only vote that was thrown away is the ballot that was not cast

something tells me that "the ignorant side of the U.s voter" did what they did for a reason, not just a hollow campaign promise and a good marketing scheme.

[Malaya1221]

Can't help but feel sorry for the man too.....

He is in one of the toughest economic periods of US history. We're on the brink of a recession. Inflation is almost guaranteed because of continuous Fed liquidity increases since 2001, and huge increases this fall.

Obama has committed the US to implementing the Kyoto treaty. He promises to be 'tougher' than anyone else. At the very same time he is promising to end Outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to areas of the world which are not under Kyoto restrictions. Businesses instead will go bankrupt or find loopholes to permit outsourcing.

Obama has promised a middle class tax cut. He has promised to fully fund an aggressive expansion of AmeriCorps. He will do these things during a recession and inflation?

While initially campaigning as a "peace candidate" Obama has since committed to increasing troop deployments in Afghanistan. He has also promised to aid Israel if it is attacked. Where he will find the money for these things I do not know.

I call Obama Jimmy Carter with a tan. That may sound mean but it's not far from the truth. I expect him to serve for one term, and to end up defeated and disillusioned like Mr. Carter.


Enjoy your celebrations. Me, I voted for Bob Barr and did not have a dog in this hunt. Still, it's gonna be an exciting two years until the 2010 elections.

Gene

Oscar Wilde decribed a cynic as 'A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing'.

Can't help but feel sorry for this man(gene)...

[GeneW]

Oscar Wilde decribed a cynic as 'A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing'.

Can't help but feel sorry for this man(gene)...

Cynicism is what happens after despair is over. I'm more amused than despairing. I've just watched a presumably decent man making promises he can't keep to people who don't understand the situation get a job he's not quite ready to do.

I've been through this shit before, in 1976. I remember how Jimmy Earl, all folksy like, was going to "heal America". In 1975 it was "Jimmy who?" and by 1985 it was "Jimmy who?"

By the time Carter was out of office we had twenty percent plus interest rates, a roller coaster stock market, gasoline lines (which are clearly a manifestation of price controls), and a paranoid Right that was on the verge of a Sagebrush rebellion over Carter's use of the ATF to strictly enforce paperwork violations under the GCA of 1968.

We also had Soviet supported rebellions in Africa and latin America and a full blown invasion in Afghanistan (which we started under Carter).

We didn't have Kyoto nor the Department of Homeland Security to contend with, nor the kind of intrusive data mining technology we got today.


Enjoy the circus, Malaya. Your man ain't ready for this shit and even if he is, you ain't. You'll realize it the first time you're in a gasoline line.

Gene

[GeneW]

and how long has this belief been holding it's chin up for? 20,30,40 years now?

How many years passed between "Das Kapital" and the establishment of the USSR? Sometimes an idea arrives before its time.

Gene

[kuyachris84]

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, but since you voted for one of those long shot candidates (read-threw your vote away) can you direct me to a website that can show the results of the write in votes for president, I.e the other never gonna win like ronald McDonald, Chuck e. Cheese, Ralph Nader, BatMan.....

I'm serious, I like to look at the ignorant side of the U.s voter who decides to waste their vote and not vote for either of the two "domineering" parties....

don't forget mickey mouse... he ends up in those write-in votes lol

[GeneW]

as usual, well put Gene, continue to keep your chin up

I can see the LP coming out stronger after a botched liberal controlled government. After carter dropped the ball Reagan picked it up proclaimed "government is not the solution to the problem, government is the problem" a theory many of us still hold dear. Perhaps the gov't getting bigger, then not delivering on the promise of hope/change quite the way the Obama supporters have hoped for, then getting knocked down a few rungs will get more people to discover this.

Even if the LP doesn't cut it, the ideas might work well. Many recent Nobel Prizes in Economics were awarded to Economics who were sympathetic to Libertarian ideas. Especially Hayek.

Liberals aren't into business and generating wealth. They're into controlling shit. As a consequence they're already behind the eight ball for the next two years. They cannot blame Bush while slapping on regulations, Card Check and Global Warming bullshit that kill jobs, on top of a recession and heavy inflation.

I'm glad that someone from Chicago is voting Libertarian. Considering that your town hosts one of the best Economics Schools in the World one would think that Libertarianism is a acceptable to some there.

Gene

[Malaya1221]

Enjoy the circus, Malaya. Your man ain't ready for this shit and even if he is, you ain't. You'll realize it the first time you're in a gasoline line.

Gene


circus? no, thank you! been there, done that, when we toppled a dictator in '86!

been in much worst situation than this, this is going to be a walk in a park for me.

what's great about history is that, you learn from it!

i'm more ready than you will ever be gene, experience and time are on my side...keep your head up and never despair old champ!

[50MPGDream]

Oscar Wilde decribed a cynic as 'A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing'.

Can't help but feel sorry for this man(gene)...
"And while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress." Barack Obama 11/4/2008

you don't seem to be healing any sort of divides, it looks to me like you are pouring salt in a wound

[Malaya1221]

"And while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress." Barack Obama 11/4/2008

you don't seem to be healing any sort of divides, it looks to me like you are pouring salt in a wound

i felt sorry for his cynical views because i was a cynic myself. other than that, learned lots of thing from gene's point of views.

fyi: not part of democratic party, just voted for the man!

[Qmobile]

Change is not coming IT'S HERE!!!!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::cla p::clap::clap::clap:

[bobby]

I am BEYOND BEYOND thrilled! History has been made, and I have never EVER been more proud to be an American...certainly not in the past 8 years.

I cried happy tears when Obama won. Possibilities seem truly limitless.

The word can't no longer exists.

[Treyz]

I've never watched an election so closely before. I'm glad that he won. I'm sorry, but the Replublicans put us into the mess we're in now along with their not so fearless leader, Bush.

I'm looking foward and hope that Barack does in fact stay true to what he has proposed.

I really mid the mid to late 90's with Clinton in office, I think that's when everything was great all around in my lifetime so far.

[bobselectric]

Congrats to the new President of the US.
Remember each and everyone of us will be watching you. The ones who are not starstruck will do so with clear sight. I hope and pray that you are the type of President who will "get things done" without harming the US.
To those of you that are celebrating- There is nothing to celebrate now- the road is ahead of you, the path laid out. Navigate the way then celebrate.

[Black Yaris]

anyone notice a Canadian started this thread ? :)

[hatchbackkid82]

Just glad we have a new president. We are ready for change

[Phaeton]

Something Gene said caught my attention. Why does the U.S. have to keep supporting Israel? I never understood why it's a such a big deal to most Republicans to support them.
It seems like they are just as crazy as the Palestinians. I say let those crazy people sort there own mess out. Just my two cents.
Obama is better than the alternative considering the Libertarian party has a way to go before they are taken seriously.

[Callisto]

I think that the current administration and most of the house and senate are traitors and should be tried as such. This is because when they take office they swear an oath:

House

"I, (name of Member), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

Senate

Same

Presidency

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Note that these oaths do not state anything about undercutting, violating, or otherwise ignoring/harming the bits of the constitution with which they do not agree.

Obama will get my support if he begins acting like a real president. Using his veto power when anything in violation of the constitution goes across his desk. He (and the house/senate) needs to realize that the federal government is a special purpose government created to perform only a few, very limited (in scope, not necessarily magnitude) tasks, and that they cannot simply ignore that charter, without violating the oath that they swear upon taking office.

The president is the chief executive, it is his charge to execute the laws of the United States FAITHFULLY, that means, NOT enforcing laws which are in violation of the constitution just as much as actively enforcing the laws which are constitutionally sound. Many laws made by congress overstep the bounds of the constitution, and they are void. United States v. Lopez 514 U.S. 549.

This man has an incredible opportunity, a president with a true mandate from the people. I hope he uses it well.

In closing

"Well I didn't vote for him, but he's my President now and I hope he does a good job."

-John Wayne, upon learning that Kennedy had defeated Nixon.

[bobby]

"Well I didn't vote for him, but he's my President now and I hope he does a good job."

-John Wayne, upon learning that Kennedy had defeated Nixon.



In the movies, John Wayne was a hero. In real life, he was an alcoholic, a womanizer, and an abusive father. Who really cares what John Wayne said or thought? He really was profoundly uninteresting.

[tk-421]

Regardless of who you guys voted for, I feel like I should commend each and every one who voted. I followed the election and didn't read about too many voting problems and almost no riots. Considering that this has been the biggest US voter turnout in history, I would say your government did a good job this time around!

I sincerely hope that the US gets a better reputation internationally with Obama in power. Judging from what I've read from people in different countries, he's already on the right track.

Felicidades, USA! :thumbup:

[ChinoCharles]

I sincerely hope that the US gets a better reputation internationally with Obama in power. Judging from what I've read from people in different countries, he's already on the right track.


The nice thing is we already have.

I am so proud of my country today, but what Obama said in his speech last night has resonated. This was step one on a long road, and to everyone who avidly supported and/or volunteered for Obama... our work isn't finished. It is time to step up and do something. Serve your communities. Enter the military. Do something to legitimize this enormous movement we have created from the ground up.

I really think this next four years could be the best four yet.

[slothman86]

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, but since you voted for one of those long shot candidates (read-threw your vote away) can you direct me to a website that can show the results of the write in votes for president, I.e the other never gonna win like ronald McDonald, Chuck e. Cheese, Ralph Nader, BatMan.....

I'm serious, I like to look at the ignorant side of the U.s voter who decides to waste their vote and not vote for either of the two "domineering" parties....


Voting for someone that doesn't have a chance doesn't mean you threw your vote away, It shows your idea of a who a good president would be. You don't vote for someone based on if they will win or lose. z.B. "I will vote for Obama/McCain because I think he will win."

(Even though the votes really don't mean too much anyway...:biggrin:)


The nice thing is we already have.

I am so proud of my country today, but what Obama said in his speech last night has resonated. This was step one on a long road, and to everyone who avidly supported and/or volunteered for Obama... our work isn't finished. It is time to step up and do something. Serve your communities. Enter the military. Do something to legitimize this enormous movement we have created from the ground up.

I really think this next four years could be the best four yet.

What?!? You mean we will have to do stuff? I thought Obama was gonna make life awesome by himself with his pixie dust! LOL. I didn't need Obama to give me some motivation to do something good in my community...

[stuffy]

well it's going to be nice to hear an intelligent voice coming from the whitehouse for a change!

i think the world will be much better off with obama as president, even though he's got a lot of work to do and a big-ass mess to clean up.

[PETERPOOP]

lol. he's only in office because every black person in america voted for him. Duh. ;)


I better get my turbo kit fast before I have to sell everything and buy guns to defend our nation!

[slothman86]

lol. he's only in office because every black person in america voted for him. Duh. ;)

Can't wait till our taxes go up and we are at war in our own nation! yippie!

I better get my turbo kit fast before I don't have time to enjoy it.

You may get flamed for this! but truth be told...a gross amount of African-Americans did vote for him. What does YW think that means?

[ChinoCharles]

It means that the Republican Party is completely and totally out of touch with an entire portion of the US population... but we knew that, right?

[slothman86]

It means that the Republican Party is completely and totally out of touch with an entire portion of the US population... but we knew that, right?

Do you think it would have been the same if Clinton won the nomination?

[ChinoCharles]

Yes.

[slothman86]

Yes.

Me too. =) but I think Obama would have been her running mate...

[PETERPOOP]

I'll take obama any day over hillary. I'm sexist, not racist. Let's get that straight! ;)

[slothman86]

I'll take obama any day over hillary. I'm sexist, not racist. Let's get that straight! ;)

I think Obama is better than Hillary because most of the major societies and governments in the world are patriarchal and might not take her too seriously.

[ChinoCharles]

Oh, they would have taken that bitch seriously. :laugh: I say that lovingly... I think Hillary Clinton is a very special woman. I don't think we've seen the last of her.

[jclo3313]

Oh, they would have taken that bitch seriously. :laugh: I say that lovingly... I think Hillary Clinton is a very special woman. I don't think we've seen the last of her.

Special needs, like on the short bus.

[slothman86]

Oh, they would have taken that bitch seriously. :laugh: I say that lovingly... I think Hillary Clinton is a very special woman. I don't think we've seen the last of her.

I seriously hope that you're right! I think she will run again next year if Obama doesn't want to run again.

[ChinoCharles]

She may have to wait 8. :wink:

[cali yaris]

The Clintons were conspicuously absent from the media last night -- I wonder why.

Meanwhile, the real work begins -- onward!

[jamal1984]

obama win is not because he is black or because most of black people voted for him he won because of BUSH that's it. but at the end, are they just puppet?

[Treyz]

The Clintons were conspicuously absent from the media last night -- I wonder why.

Meanwhile, the real work begins -- onward!
They were probably in the hood with the Harlem crowd since I believe they still own property over there.

[slothman86]

Maybe Obama can somehow make it legal to put side wings on our Yarii...I heard you can get great gas mileage that way...LOL

[dacourier]

lol. he's only in office because every black person in america voted for him. Duh. ;)


I better get my turbo kit fast before I have to sell everything and buy guns to defend our nation!:laughabove::bellyroll::laughabove::bellyro ll::laughabove::drinking:I already have the guns I just need to raise my funds for the turbo kit before I am forced to give part of those funds away to somebody less fortunate.

[PETERPOOP]

hahaha. exactly. capitalist FTW (obviously not! Doh!)

[SIPNGAS]

ok, while not all black Americans or other races voted for Obama simply because he's black A LOT did...they were all over the news....the vindication for slavery, etc...I really don't care that Obama is the president, anybody who got this term is going to have a very TOUGH road...but I think even Martin Luther King himself would have been disappointed...for it was he who wanted to be judged by the content of his character and not the color of his skin....and I'm quite sure he meant that whether he was being judged badly or favorably..just because of his skin color.

[lita_g]

I didn't like either candidate, but I agreed more with McCain's policies. So, let's hope Obama doesn't screw things up and doesn't turn this country into a socialist nation.

[jclo3313]

United Socialists of America welcomes you Comrade.

[PETERPOOP]

your worst fears will soon be reality.

[GeneW]

circus? no, thank you! been there, done that, when we toppled a dictator in '86!

You're going to have to be more specific here, Malaya. If you're referring to the Aquino overthrow of Marcos please give credit to a US which refused to support their favorite bastard in the Phillipines.

Are you saying that you, personally, participated in the Aquino revolt, and if so, how does this compared to a simple election?

Incidentally, I was peripherally involved with the Contras in the 1980s, still regret it to this day and it's one reason that I despise Reagan and Bush. They and we were used.


been in much worst situation than this, this is going to be a walk in a park for me.

what's great about history is that, you learn from it!

Patterns repeat, but they're only patterns. Think about it.

You haven't overthrown a dictator here. You participated in an election. You haven't changed the System either.

If anything McCain's defeat ends the rule of Neo-Cons. The remaining GOPers in the Congress are more Conservative, including my own Rep.

i'm more ready than you will ever be gene, experience and time are on my side...keep your head up and never despair old champ!

I'm not worried at all, save the possibility of some irritation from someone calling the Police to report me for illegal guns - I don't own any but such abuse happens from time to time.

Then there is Card Check. I don't like to think about that one, it enrages me to the point of violence. I cannot imagine why Unions insist upon this one, it's suicidal for them in the long term. They must know that they're going to lose because Card Check is a dirty trick.

Aside that, I work for a living, don't use drugs and keep to myself.

I pity the people of Color who are expecting so much from Obama. He's not going to deliver it. He can't, and that's my point.

Gene

[b1ah]

obama win is not because he is black or because most of black people voted for him he won because of BUSH that's it. but at the end, are they just puppet?

agreed, bush fucked up hard and very few in his party spoke out against it

[Morgan]

Last night was the culmination of a hard-fought long campaign for both sides. This election was one for the books, more people voted, more people donated, volunteered, turned out for rallies, wrote their congressmen/women and most of all I think we should be proud that the system worked... none of the popular vote but not electoral BS, I know its the system we determined but this time there is no mistaking who won. Polls closed, votes were counted, and I'm exhausted. My day didn't end at all close to early and somehow I still managed to make it to my 8:30 class without sleeping through it!

My county was overwhelmingly red 55,597 for McCain and 23,603 for Obama. We fought for each and every Obama vote and despite the nasty things people do locally to Obama supporters and yard signs, I can honestly say we (Bay Democrats) ran a clean race and did the best we could.

Looking forward to the next four years, as a Democrat and only being 22 my entire involvement with the executive branch has been in opposition... just an odd perspective from now, but certainly welcome!

[Callisto]

"Well I didn't vote for him, but he's my President now and I hope he does a good job."

-John Wayne, upon learning that Kennedy had defeated Nixon.



In the movies, John Wayne was a hero. In real life, he was an alcoholic, a womanizer, and an abusive father. Who really cares what John Wayne said or thought? He really was profoundly uninteresting.

I was indicating that that was my sentiment. Not that the speaker was some great person. I simply believe in citing sources.

[bobby]

ok, while not all black Americans or other races voted for Obama simply because he's black A LOT did...they were all over the news....the vindication for slavery, etc...I really don't care that Obama is the president, anybody who got this term is going to have a very TOUGH road...but I think even Martin Luther King himself would have been disappointed...for it was he who wanted to be judged by the content of his character and not the color of his skin....and I'm quite sure he meant that whether he was being judged badly or favorably..just because of his skin color.

This statement is so stupid, racist, & insulting, I almost feel embarrased for her. This gal is hopelessly & utterly clueless. Where is she getting her "statistics"? Did a lot of white people vote for McCain simply because he is white?

Millions of white people cast their ballot for Barack Obama, (college educated whites voted far more for O than whites who are not college educated) as did millions of blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. etc. I think people wisely voted for Barack Obama for several reasons, including his character. He's a brilliant man, and he ran a PHENOMENAL, masterful campaign, always staying on point, never wavering from his message. He was unflappable. Obama's message for change deeply resonated with people, after 8 years of the worst administration in our history. After 8 years of Bush, and the country being in a financial meltdown, were we to expect that logically the best choice would have been to elect yet another Republikkkan...one who voted with the current administration over 90% of the time?? I certainly don't think so, and obviously neither did the American people.


McCain floundered badly. He WAS George W. Bush, & no matter how hard he tried to distance himself from that train wreck, he simply couldn't. A 90% voting record with the Bush administration is not something a candidate in 2008 wants to highlight...it's a fact he ran from in shame. McCain thought Palin would be the perfect ingredient in getting him elected, and it looked like it was working at the beginning...until she opened her mouth. Then, we all realized he'd picked a know-nothing...an arrogant know-nothing at that. She did well on the campaign trail, and energized her crowd, but on the rare times the McCain people allowed her to be interviewed--to be herself, not reading from a campaign speech--she flubbed badly, and it was obvious that she was in no way ready to be Vice-President of the United States. While McCain kept changing message, he tried to create a new "non-troversy" (my word...a 'controversy which is made up, and meaningless') each week, hoping to get American's outraged & angry enough to vote against Obama. Nothing stuck because American's had seen this before, and weren't buying it this time, thankfully. If anything, they were angry & outraged at Bush/Cheney/McCain.

Obama won because he's a smarter man, and was a better choice and a better candidate. He represents hope for our future. McCain represented the failed policies of the past.

Barack Obama's meteoric and historic rise from obscurity to the Presidency is nothing short of a phenomenon, rarely--if ever--seen in politics. Barack Obama's journey is the living embodiment of Dr. King's 'I Have A Dream' speech, and if Dr. King could possibly see what has happened, he surely would be beaming.

Barack Obama is a transformational figure, a man destined to lead. He was--by far--the better choice for this country at this time. That's why he won.

[PETERPOOP]

obama won because he's a better speaker and he's black. sorry :)


oh yah, and the fact that america is full of lazy bums that want handouts. almost forgot that part.

[stuffy]

i'm not american, but even i can see that that is nonsense peterpoop,
people wanted change, simple as that.

btw, the handouts have already been doled out to the tune of $700 billion in your tax payer's money...

[PETERPOOP]

i'm not american, but even i can see that that is nonsense peterpoop,
people wanted change, simple as that.



exactly. and if change is in the form of a black man who can speak as well as hitler. so be it. lol

[floydisrock]

I have to laugh at you guys thinking anything is gonna change.
Please sticky this thread so four years from now I can laugh like hell.

[b1ah]

i'm not american, but even i can see that that is nonsense peterpoop,
people wanted change, simple as that.

btw, the handouts have already been doled out to the tune of $700 billion in your tax payer's money...

a drooling buffoon could have beat anyone presented by the republican party.

[SIPNGAS]

ok, while not all black Americans or other races voted for Obama simply because he's black A LOT did...they were all over the news....the vindication for slavery, etc...I really don't care that Obama is the president, anybody who got this term is going to have a very TOUGH road...but I think even Martin Luther King himself would have been disappointed...for it was he who wanted to be judged by the content of his character and not the color of his skin....and I'm quite sure he meant that whether he was being judged badly or favorably..just because of his skin color.

This statement is so stupid, racist, & insulting, I almost feel embarrased for her. This gal is hopelessly & utterly clueless. Where is she getting her "statistics"? Did a lot of white people vote for McCain simply because he is white?

Millions of white people cast their ballot for Barack Obama, (college educated whites voted far more for O than whites who are not college educated) as did millions of blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. etc. I think people wisely voted for Barack Obama for several reasons, including his character. He's a brilliant man, and he ran a PHENOMENAL, masterful campaign, always staying on point, never wavering from his message. He was unflappable. Obama's message for change deeply resonated with people, after 8 years of the worst administration in our history. After 8 years of Bush, and the country being in a financial meltdown, were we to expect that logically the best choice would have been to elect yet another Republikkkan...one who voted with the current administration over 90% of the time?? I certainly don't think so, and obviously neither did the American people.


McCain floundered badly. He WAS George W. Bush, & no matter how hard he tried to distance himself from that train wreck, he simply couldn't. A 90% voting record with the Bush administration is not something a candidate in 2008 wants to highlight...it's a fact he ran from in shame. McCain thought Palin would be the perfect ingredient in getting him elected, and it looked like it was working at the beginning...until she opened her mouth. Then, we all realized he'd picked a know-nothing...an arrogant know-nothing at that. She did well on the campaign trail, and energized her crowd, but on the rare times the McCain people allowed her to be interviewed--to be herself, not reading from a campaign speech--she flubbed badly, and it was obvious that she was in no way ready to be Vice-President of the United States. While McCain kept changing message, he tried to create a new "non-troversy" (my word...a 'controversy which is made up, and meaningless') each week, hoping to get American's outraged & angry enough to vote against Obama. Nothing stuck because American's had seen this before, and weren't buying it this time, thankfully. If anything, they were angry & outraged at Bush/Cheney/McCain.

Obama won because he's a smarter man, and was a better choice and a better candidate. He represents hope for our future. McCain represented the failed policies of the past.

Barack Obama's meteoric and historic rise from obscurity to the Presidency is nothing short of a phenomenon, rarely--if ever--seen in politics. Barack Obama's journey is the living embodiment of Dr. King's 'I Have A Dream' speech, and if Dr. King could possibly see what has happened, he surely would be beaming.

Barack Obama is a transformational figure, a man destined to lead. He was--by far--the better choice for this country at this time. That's why he won.

Call me stupid, clueless, whatever, It's my opinion, thank you very much. But, obviously, you find your words much more interesting to listen to. Rock on...ROCK ON. :clap:

[kurokoma-kun]

let's face it--barack obama won because he got more votes!! it's as simple as that :tongue:

and now the whole world is watching, to see what all americans do next, as a group... ask yourself, what kind of people do we want to show them we are? what kind of example do we want to set for people in other countries, who might be wondering if our kind of democracy is really worth it all the pre-election fuss?

and then, act accordingly :biggrin:

[bobby]

to bobby: your comments make you sound like a fanatic.

Define 'fanatic'.

[bobby]

I didn't call her stupid and clueless because who she voted for...I called her stupid & clueless for the observation & comments she made, which I feel were, well, stupid and clueless. Oh, and racist and insulting. Listen, it's not my fault...this girl is simply not bright. In fact, she's simple. :frown:

[SIPNGAS]

I didn't call her stupid and clueless because who she voted for...I called her stupid & clueless for the observation & comments she made, which I feel were, well, stupid and clueless. Oh, and racist and insulting. Listen, it's not my fault...this girl is simply not bright. In fact, she's simple. :frown:

Wow...

really, you can kiss my simple ass.

[Bob_VT]

bobby you can apologize for your remarks. Sipngas was posting exactly what the news reported earlier.

Breakdown of demographics reveals how black voters swept Obama into White House

Yesterday, 140 million Americans - a staggering 65% of the registered electorate - cast their votes to make Barack Obama the 44th president of the United States of America. Here we show how the results break down...
Black Americans
95% of black voters went to the ballot for Obama and only 4% for McCain.
Obama has succeeded in mobilising African-American voters who, although strongly Democratic, have in the past been apathetic in turning out to vote.
Yesterday's surge in black voters, however, only boosted black turnout by two percentage points from 11% to 13%.
As in previous years, more black women turned out than men.
Whites
55% of white votes went to McCain including the notoriously hard-to-win white working class vote, but Obama stunned many by taking an impressive 43% of total white votes, cutting the Republican lead compared with 2004.
Hispanics
66% of Hispanic voters turned out for Obama - the best ever result for a Democrat.
McCain only took 31% of the Hispanic vote, despite courting them heavily in his campaign.
Obama used techniques such as Spanish-language adverts to win the Hispanic voters over, many of whom had grown disgruntled with the Bush administration.
Women
56% of the female vote went to Obama, exceeding the usual Democrat advantage.
Many consider that Obama's appeal to women has been key to his electoral victory, while McCain's selection of Sarah Palin as his running mate, failed to help him secure the support of America's women.
It should be noted that while Obama won the female vote overall, he lost the battle over white women by 7 points.
Men
The male vote was essentially tied with 49% voting for Obama, thus evening the score on the male-heavy Republican advantage in 2004.
41% of white males voted for Obama, making him the first Democrat since Jimmy Carter to take more than 38% in this category.
Under- 30's
66% of under-30's showed their support for Obama - far higher than in any previous election - compared to 31% for McCain.
A staggering 54% of young white voters also went for Obama.
Overall, this also helped Obama secure a high number of first time voters; 71% of whom voted Democrat.
McCain only managed to secure 29% of first-time voters, compared to 53% for John Kerry in 2004.
Obama's youth - at 47 he is one of the youngest ever presidents - appealed to and energised many of those who were voting for the first time.
Catholics
Nearly 25 per cent of U.S. adults - about 30 million - are Catholic and 54 per cent of them voted for pro-abortion Obama as opposed to 46 per cent for McCain.
Observers say the economy became the key issue for many Catholic Americans, which, along with issues such as the Iraq War and health care, eclipsed abortion.
Extras:
Asians
63% of Asian voters went to the ballot for Obama and 34% for McCain.
Jews
78% of the Jewish vote went to Obama. Jewish support - which made up 2% of the overall electorate - has, in recent years, been overwhelmingly Democrat; with Al Gore receiving 79% in 2000 and John Kerry 74% in 2004.
Suburban/Rural voters
Were split 50-50. A key area in Bush's victory four years ago, suburban voters make up half of the total American electorate. McCain also lost ground on rural voters, with the votes split 51-47 in his favour.
Single voters
Obama won this category by a landslide, with 66% of single voters going to the ballot for him, compared to only 32% for McCain.
Married voters
51% of married voters supported McCain and 47% voted for Obama. This was a drop from 2004 for McCain compared with Bush's 15 point lead in 2004.
Senior Citizens
51% of over- 65's voted for McCain - including veterans - and made up 16% of the entire electorate. They were therefore not dissimilar in influence to the under- 30's on the overall result.
High earners
53% of voters who earned $200,000 or more in 2007 voted for Obama.
McCain - who was expected to triumph amongst the wealthy, succeeded in polling only 45% of these voters.
73% of white evangelicals backed McCain and 25% backed Obama.
This was a boost of 4 points for the Democrats from 2004, who traditionally struggle in rural areas, where many of this category live.
84% of Democrats who intially voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries voted for Obamas.

[kurokoma-kun]

bobby you can apologize for your remarks. Sipngas was posting exactly what the news reported earlier.

bobby can apologize for his remarks, PERIOD :mad: the rules say personal attacks are not allowed here :thumbdown:

[SIPNGAS]

You know, it's not the first from him. Does it bother me? Eh...if he has to talk like that because it makes himself feel better, than so be it. What he does't realize is how it makes him look to others. He's the one who is going to lose out.

[Stargate YARlantIS]

This is what I found most interesting...Chris Matthews or Chuck Todd (political analyst for NBC News) stated this last night... to the Obama Campaign..

"Great!, you won, but then again (pause)...you won.." So much said in so few words

He has a long road ahead of him....I am a Republican Obama supporter. I voted this way because I felt my party let me down.... the McCain Campaign would have had a good ticket, had they picked someone other than Sarah Palin. If it were a McCain/Romney ticket, or a McCain Giuliani ticket, they would have secured my vote. However, the camp made a hasty decision trying to swing the "let down" Hillary Clinton supporters.... But there in is the problem, Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin are too far across the aisle to even be comparable, be it their Pro Life/ Pro Choice issue differences or the simple fact that Palin has nowhere near the executive experience that Hillary has, or their Foreign Policy experience. I won't ramble any further, I'll just say that the Obama/Biden ticket was the better choice on ALL of the issues.

I am open to criticism....I can take it, I am a big boy lol

[SIPNGAS]

See...someone who can explain and discuss...perfect...

I never put anyone down for voting for Obama..really...when words like that, who could say his decision wasn't right for him. And it wasn't people like Bruce I was talking about and HE knows that. I am not an idiot. I am not dumb, or clueless or simple. I have and can voice my opinions without a personal attack.

[Stargate YARlantIS]

See...someone who can explain and discuss...perfect...

I never put anyone down for voting for Obama..really...when words like that, who could say his decision wasn't right for him. And it wasn't people like Bruce I was talking about and HE knows that. I am not an idiot. I am not dumb, or clueless or simple. I have and can voice my opinions without a personal attack.

Yes Lisa, we are still buds....:)

[bdc87]

HISTORY HAS BEEN MADE!
DEMOCRACY WORKS!
YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang: :headbang::headbang:

[Shroomster]

I also voted for Barr, I knew very well that my vote didn't matter, not because I was voting 3rd party, but because I live in Illinois, Obama's home state that has a long history of voting dem (thanks Chicago)

if you determine that I wasted my vote because I felt the candidate that I supported was the best fit to pass my beliefs as to how the country should be run, I ask you why? just because I know my guy isn't going to win this election I should just stay home? or should I join the crowd and vote for who I think will win? maybe I should pick the lesser of two evils? perhaps the better looking candidate should get my vote?

the only vote that was thrown away is the ballot that was not cast

something tells me that "the ignorant side of the U.s voter" did what they did for a reason, not just a hollow campaign promise and a good marketing scheme.

we go into the election as a herd of cattle the popular vote is not what decides the election (as seen in Al Gore's case) so I stand by my decision to call voting for anything but the two majority parties a wasted vote UNLESS:


DISCLAIMER!!!!

The non majority party (libertarian/green whatever) is in a position where they will garner a significant amount of the vote /have a chance of actually winning....

[bzinn 1]

Wowo........you guys know the world owes no one nothing......we as individuals only gain or lose based on our own hard effort.To think a President in America has the power to take away anything is foolish.

We gained a great leader last night.Either candidate could make a great leader in fact.

another fact.....Bush had the entire United states behind him after 9/11.......and most of the world......and yet he made so many bad decisions that he will be known in the future as one of the worst presidents ever.......when he should of been known as the Greatest President in history......

I look forward to our new President.....a breath of fresh air......I watched and read about him and everything for over 18 months and his statement has not changed.He is a good man and a good leader.He has good ideas.I do not agree with all of them......but honestly I do not agree with every idea I have in my own head.

As a country we need to stand up and stand behind our new leader.We need to work hard to make our lives as good as possible.We need to change the view of the world of us by showing them we are good people and we can at least behave among ourselves and solve problems.

What a neat opertunity we all have in America now.......a chance to move forward.......hmmmmm .....divided we fall........enough said.

[bzinn 1]

and I should say......I did not vote for him....but will support him as long as what he projects is positive,educated,and good.

[eco]

I live in GA,voted Obama,didnt win the state,but made for one hell of popular vote count in the end.BO08

[bobby]

I have never EVER felt so proud to be an American as I was on election night. After 8 loooong years of the very worst administration in the history of this country, it feels like a huge weight has been lifted, and the nightmare is coming to an end. (Is it 1/20/09 yet?!) The whole world is celebrating! Imagine, we're going to have a brilliant President, one who is articulate, and able to speak English properly! :biggrin:

I frequently travel to Europe, Asia, and South America. No longer do I have to feel embarrased about my President, or have to explain—forcefully—that I didn't vote for Bush, and many many Americans did not either. I am so proud to call Barack Obama my President, and so proud of this country right now.

My hat's off to you, President-elect Obama! You ran an amazing amazing campaign. You did not stumble, you did not waver, you stayed on message. Your ascent to the Presidency is nothing short of astounding, and you have the respect of the nation. You have a huge Katrina-like mess to clean up. We wish you only the best for a successful Presidency, and we hope for the best for this country.

[bobselectric]

I have ignored Bobby to my screen and yet I find myself reading his posts as quotes in others posts. Bobby, in the words of Andrew "Dice" Clay, you have no F*ing class. I suppose you got beat up on the playground a lot as a kid?
Moderators, please ban this troll- to go about calling others racist is not what this forum is about

[Nigal]

YAY! Soft Socialism FTW!

[Nigal]

Voting for a guy is one thing but I get that creepy "I wanna sleep with Barack" feeling from him.

[KCALB SIRAY]

I have ignored Bobby to my screen and yet I find myself reading his posts as quotes in others posts. Bobby, in the words of Andrew "Dice" Clay, you have no F*ing class. I suppose you got beat up on the playground a lot as a kid?
Moderators, please ban this troll- to go about calling others racist is not what this forum is about

we've tried to show him that not all people are racist, he just ignores the words. Like Ron White says, You Can't Fix Stupid:iono:

[jclo3313]

I say lets just see how the next four years pan out. Something tells me if they head south Bobby will be the first guy in line to throw stones. He is a totall bandwagoner and should be ignored as such, IMO.
11085 Does this remind anyone of a certain someone?

[KCALB SIRAY]

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m90/awolski/Horshack.jpg

[jclo3313]

Go ahead.:biggrin:

[KCALB SIRAY]

mmmmmmmmmmBobby. C'mawwwnnnnn Bobby!

[stuffy]

exactly!!

maybe he can be their new puppy? the first daughters were promised one :biggrin:

i think you've now thrown enough insults at bobby now to make up for his own :clap:

i agree that he was out of line, but now you're all just ganging up on him.

how is that any better?

[jclo3313]

i think you've now thrown enough insults at bobby now to make up for his own :clap:

i agree that he was out of line, but now you're all just ganging up on him.

how is that any better?

It's not but he has been quiet for awile now. Small price to pay.

[KCALB SIRAY]

i think you've now thrown enough insults at bobby now to make up for his own :clap:

i agree that he was out of line, but now you're all just ganging up on him.

how is that any better?

Simple answer, we do not call anyone racist:thumbsup:

[bobby]

Sticks & stones will break my bones....but an Obama Presidency has left me so elated, joyful, exuberant, and hopeful about the future that nothing can take the grin off my face, or dampen my enthusiasm in any way.

I am just counting the days (75, now?) til George slinks out of the White House, and the new, young, beautiful Obama family moves it.

It's a new & better era in America, and I am filled with a sense of pride and reverance that I have never before felt.

President-elect Obama, you're amazing! :wink:

[Stargate YARlantIS]

wow, I sign off for some sleep and so so so much happens on this thread...lol

[jclo3313]

an Obama Presidency has left me so elated, joyful, exuberant, and hopeful about the future that nothing can take the grin off my face, or dampen my enthusiasm in any way.
President-elect Obama, you're amazing! :wink:

I"m glad to hear you back off the insults and so will I. There is nothing wrong in celebrating the victory of the man you voted for, just do it in a humble manner without attacking others. You of all people should want to treat others with the respect that you feel you deserve.
"President-elect Obama, you're amazing!" This remains to be seen, but I sure hope that you are right.

[SIPNGAS]

Wow..I think I'd rather be simple than be like Bobby...

[SIPNGAS]

oh my

[kurokoma-kun]

Hey I stopped at a toy store today and thought I saw an Obama stuffed toy..... upon closer examination it was just a Curious George toy ........ wow do they ever look alike!

not seeing the humor here, bob :confused: trying really hard not to see anything worse in it

[TLyttle]

Gee, that's pretty sick alright ("sick" in the dictionary meaning), about 75 years behind the times...

This has been a fascinating thread: I wondered what would happen here. As a Canadian, the US election affected us a lot, along with many other countries, most of which were hoping, even praying, for Obama. The last ...person... was an incredible failure as a leader: look where he led the US, and because of his policies, the rest of the world!

I figure that if the US can get out of the habit of starting wars, your country's deficit could disappear in a short time. Can Obama vanquish the Hawks in the US? We'll see...

The one stat that struck me was regarding Obama's speech in Chicago: 200,000 people, and the cops reported on 9 (nine) incidents. In a crowd that size? In Chicago?? Yes, folks, times are truly changing.

[SIPNGAS]

I think I know Bob well enough to realize he doesn't REALLY feel that way. I believe what he was trying to illustrate to some people is that my words were not racist...what Bob posted was racist...

Sorry, Bob...I can't let people on here think you're anything but a wonderful guy.

[bobselectric]

I think I know Bob well enough to realize he doesn't REALLY feel that way. I believe what he was trying to illustrate to some people is that my words were not racist...what Bob posted was racist...

Sorry, Bob...I can't let people on here think you're anything but a wonderful guy.

I was a little surprised that Bob_VT posted that... he doesn't strike me as that kind of guy-

Please let's all respect the man, he was voted President. There will be plenty of time later for derision, if necessary

[Bob_VT]

My turn.....For anyone who has been in the military as I was.... we swore to defend the United States against all ememies foreign and dosmestic..... follow the orders of the people appointed above us and the President of the US..... When I started out in the Army Nixon was still sitting in the White House....... I survived through many presidents including Clinton. It changed nothing in the daily lives of a soldier. It taught us a good way of life.......

I think Obama is smart and will surround himself with smart people. I refuse to pre-judge how things will come out...... I can only hope.

TLyttle.... the USA is not in the habit of starting wars..... we are just strong enough to step in when needed and not just stand by and watch. Not many people will try to stop a fight.

Sipngas..... EVERY president has been joked about and mocked ........ I would agree that the Curious George thing would have been in bad taste .... last week ........however, now that Barack has been elected he is fair game. Keep your ears open to the comedians.

People that know me .....know that I am not prejudice, racist or sexist in the least..... yet another thing that I refined while in the Army.

[FunctionSpec]

Sipngas..... EVERY president has been joked about and mocked ........ I would agree that the Curious George thing would have been in bad taste .... last week ........however, now that Barack has been elected he is fair game. Keep your ears open to the comedians.


That's because EVERY president has been a White male. Choose your words wisely.

[bobby]

Wow..I think I'd rather be simple than be like Bobby...

Unfortunately for you, my dear, you haven't much choice in the matter...:laugh:

Now, if you'll all excuse me for a bit, I must get back to celebrating this enormous, historic, and barrier-shattering win by our 44th President, Barack Obama. After 8 excruciating Bush years (worst President in American history) I am truly overjoyed. A dark cloud has been lifted, and January 20th can't get here fast enough! Let's celebrate! Let's party! :biggrin:

[jclo3313]

Wow..I think I'd rather be simple than be like Bobby...

Unfortunately for you, my dear, you haven't much choice in the matter...:laugh:

Now, if you'll all excuse me for a bit, I must get back to celebrating this enormous, historic, and barrier-shattering win by our 44th President, Barack Obama. After 8 excruciating Bush years (worst President in American history) I am truly overjoyed. A dark cloud has been lifted, and January 20th can't get here fast enough! Let's celebrate! Let's party! :biggrin:

Dude we get it he won. YEHAW! WOOP WOOP! HURAY! Now go back from wence you came and please be quiet. Thanks in advance for your racist, skewed, and screwed comments ceasing. Have a nice day, and remember that Jesus love you.

[SIPNGAS]

Wow..I think I'd rather be simple than be like Bobby...

Unfortunately for you, my dear, you haven't much choice in the matter...:laugh:

Now, if you'll all excuse me for a bit, I must get back to celebrating this enormous, historic, and barrier-shattering win by our 44th President, Barack Obama. After 8 excruciating Bush years (worst President in American history) I am truly overjoyed. A dark cloud has been lifted, and January 20th can't get here fast enough! Let's celebrate! Let's party! :biggrin:

I'm willing to guess Obama would rather NOT have you on his side. Really.

[SIPNGAS]

That's because EVERY president has been a White male. Choose your words wisely.



Sooo..only white males can be made fun of and it be "acceptable"? Really?

[FunctionSpec]

Society seems to think so. If the president were female, how would you feel if she was mocked and made fun of?

[jclo3313]

Society seems to think so. If the president were female, how would you feel if she was mocked and made fun of?

I'd chuckle just as hard as if it were good ole Bush.

[KCALB SIRAY]

well that already happens even if she isn't President. Look at all the attacks on Palin. No way in hell you are telling me she wasn't picked on by media

[Bob_VT]

I think we will see a female president in our lifetime and yes she will be the brunt of the jokes.

[bobby]

I'm willing to guess Obama would rather NOT have you on his side. Really.

Really? I'm not so sure about that, dear. I sent the Obama a significant amount of money during the course of the campaign, as did many other Americans who knew we could not allow four more years of Bush/Cheney/McCain to continue. Because of generous donations, he was able to blitz the airwaves with his message of change, which deeply resonated with the American people.

I think he does like having me on his side. Really.

[bobby]

well that already happens even if she isn't President. Look at all the attacks on Palin. No way in hell you are telling me she wasn't picked on by media

I wonder if it's because the nominee for Vice President of the United States of America could not name one single Supreme Court decision in history, other than Roe v. Wade.... :iono:

[KCALB SIRAY]

I'm willing to guess Obama would rather NOT have you on his side. Really.

Really? I'm not so sure about that, dear. I sent the Obama a significant amount of money during the course of the campaign, as did many other Americans who knew we could not allow four more years of Bush/Cheney/McCain to continue. Because of generous donations, he was able to blitz the airwaves with his message of change, which deeply resonated with the American people.

I think he does like having me on his side. Really.

And to this day, I'm still waiting to here this message of change. He'll end up sourounding himself with qualified members and get a few things done, but his input in the long run will do greater harm that good. If I'm wrong, we'll see and I hope for the best, but from what I've learned and from what I have not seen from him, I'm pretty sure it will be no Reagan turn for the better

[Bob_VT]

This has to be the highest amount of money ever spent on a election. It resulted in a win for the Democrats. They have come a long way to buy things since the days when Clinton did most of his election by bus and had the same result.

[KCALB SIRAY]

well that already happens even if she isn't President. Look at all the attacks on Palin. No way in hell you are telling me she wasn't picked on by media

I wonder if it's because the nominee for Vice President of the United States of America could not name one single Supreme Court decision in history, other than Roe v. Wade.... :iono:

Bobby, I could do the same to you by asking you to name one of the policies Obama would put into effect other than the Tax issue and withdraw of Troops. Googling the answer won't help

[SIPNGAS]

I'm willing to guess Obama would rather NOT have you on his side. Really.

Really? I'm not so sure about that, dear. I sent the Obama a significant amount of money during the course of the campaign, as did many other Americans who knew we could not allow four more years of Bush/Cheney/McCain to continue. Because of generous donations, he was able to blitz the airwaves with his message of change, which deeply resonated with the American people.

I think he does like having me on his side. Really.

money from you and many other questionable sources...

[SIPNGAS]

Society seems to think so. If the president were female, how would you feel if she was mocked and made fun of?

She was mocked and made fun of...so was Hillary...

but pick on Obama and watch out!

[bobby]

And to this day, I'm still waiting to here this message of change. He'll end up sourounding himself with qualified members and get a few things done, but his input in the long run will do greater harm that good. If I'm wrong, we'll see and I hope for the best, but from what I've learned and from what I have not seen from him, I'm pretty sure it will be no Reagan turn for the better

To this day?? Err, he does not get sworn into office until 1/20/09. If you hope for the best for him, and for the country, would you consider giving him at least a lil' bit of a chance, or have you already decided his Presidency will be an awful one? If you want this country to succeed, you will want this new President to succeed.

I sincerely hope Obama is NOT like Reagan, and I do not think he will be.

[SIPNGAS]

Nobody has a CLUE as to how Obama will REALLY be. Nope, not even Bobby.

[jclo3313]

I've had no place for predjudice in my life for as long as I can remember. When I was a kid in Colorado I was surronded by hispanics, moved to Louisiana and went to school with black kids, and so on. The only thing I can't stand more than a biggot is a "reverse biggot" that feels I owe them something for a policy that ended a 150 years ago. Get the fuck over it, stop looking at the differances an let see what we might have in common.

[KCALB SIRAY]

He preached the "Change" speech but did not back it up with "How" His policies would only dig us deeper in the whole. His chance came and went, I have no say in it now. That's why I said "I hope for the best" read carefully

[Bob_VT]

To this day?? Err, he does not get sworn into office until 1/20/09. If you hope for the best for him, and for the country, would you consider giving him at least a lil' bit of a chance, or have you already decided his Presidency will be an awful one? If you want this country to succeed, you will want this new President to succeed.

I sincerely hope Obama is NOT like Reagan, and I do not think he will be.

I want to see OUR county succeed as a unified country.

Reagan lifted the USA out of a recession and got immediate freedom for the Iran hostages very very quickly upon taking office. Reagan did a great job as president and I hope Obama can do the same.

[jclo3313]

I'm willing to guess Obama would rather NOT have you on his side. Really.

Really? I'm not so sure about that, dear. I sent the Obama a significant amount of money during the course of the campaign, as did many other Americans who knew we could not allow four more years of Bush/Cheney/McCain to continue. Because of generous donations, he was able to blitz the airwaves with his message of change, which deeply resonated with the American people.

I think he does like having me on his side. Really.

Have you washed your brain today? He wouldn't give two squirts of piss to put you out if you were on fire. If you believe he really care about the little guy than you my friend have indeed been brain washed.

[KCALB SIRAY]

from 20% to 75% up in jobs, you can't beat that Bobby. I can only hope Obama takes ques from one of the greatest Presidents

[KCALB SIRAY]

Have you washed your brain today? He wouldn't give two squirts of piss to put you out if you were on fire. If you believe he really care about the little guy than you my friend have indeed been brain washed.

agreed, if he'll deport his own family and refund their money, he could give a shyt about you, lol. Of course I mean that with all respect:rolleyes:

[bobby]

Nobody has a CLUE as to how Obama will REALLY be. Nope, not even Bobby

Of course I don't, Brainy. I have no crystal ball, but how could I possibly have cast my ballot for a man who voted with the Bush administration over 90% of the time?

We never know how a President is "REALLY" going to be, (could anyone have imagined that Bush would have been as bad as he has been?) but you vote for the person who you feel is most intelligent, and will be best for the country. What else can you do?

[jclo3313]

Nobody has a CLUE as to how Obama will REALLY be. Nope, not even Bobby

We never know how a President is "REALLY" going to be, (could anyone have imagined that Bush would have been as bad as he has been?) but you vote for the person who you feel is most intelligent, and will be best for the country. What else can you do?

That my friend is all anyone can do. So lets sit back see where the bus takes us.

[bobby]

Reagan lifted the USA out of a recession and got immediate freedom for the Iran hostages very very quickly upon taking office. Reagan did a great job as president and I hope Obama can do the same.


During Ronnie's term, the greatest divide between the very rich and the very poor occured. Sadly, Ronnie had Alzheimer's for the last several years of his Presidency. He stunk.

[KCALB SIRAY]

you are truely off your rocker and I am done with this

[jclo3313]

So among your number of tallents, you are also a doctor. How old are you Bobby? Were you even of age in the 80's?

[SIPNGAS]

Bobby, can you ever state your case without calling names or belittling?

[jclo3313]

Bobby can you answer in just one word?

[bobby]

Bobby, can you ever state your case without calling names or belittling?

Sorry, Lisa, but you drive me NUTZ! You often say things that are so...(okay Bobby, don't be unkind now...) ..so not as intelligent as I'm sure you probabaly are.

Better? :smile:

[jclo3313]

Bobby, can you ever state your case without calling names or belittling?

Sorry, Lisa, but you drive me NUTZ! You often say things that are so...(okay Bobby, don't be unkind now...) ..so not as intelligent as I'm sure you probabaly are.

Better? :smile:

You still found a way to be "unkind" Bobby.

[SIPNGAS]

Score! =) I irritate him way more than he irritates me. That's all I needed to know.

[Malaya1221]

wow, this shit turned into who has the biggest DICK thread!

hold your horses gentlemen/ladies, let's be civil!

BTW: how old are you people?:tongue: please, act like one!:evil:

[bobby]

Since, Obama became President, I am DRUNK with joy...nothing is irritating me, except for that lil' tag in back of my tee shirt...:smile:

[SIPNGAS]

Go tagless, Bobby...it's the new generation of Tee...

[jclo3313]

wow, this shit turned into who has the biggest DICK thread!

hold your horses gentlemen/ladies, let's be civil!

BTW: how old are you people?:tongue: please, act like one!:evil:

38 and old enough to be a dick.:biggrin:

[Malaya1221]

^ no more cocoa puffs for you young man, u're grounded!:smile:

[jclo3313]

^ no more cocoa puffs for you, u're grounded!:smile:

You make me :cry:.

[stuffy]

obama has no where to go but up.


bob_vt, the attack on iraq was an unjustified and aggressive act and illegal under intl law. it has resulted in hundreds of thousands innocent civilian deaths and a country which is no better off than it was previously,
and my many accounts much worse.
no, the u.s. doesn't come out as the good guy in this one.

[jclo3313]

Play nice or the Stanley Cup will end up in Florida.

[bobby]

Go tagless, Bobby...it's the new generation of Tee...

This I agree with! For the first time, I think you're right Lisa! :wink:

[SIPNGAS]

LOL

[SIPNGAS]

Go tagless, Bobby...it's the new generation of Tee...

This I agree with! For the first time, I think you're right Lisa! :wink:



Just because I don't agree with who or what you voted for doesn't make me less intelligent.

[Bob_VT]

obama has no where to go but up.


bob_vt, the attack on iraq was an unjustified and aggressive act and illegal under intl law. it has resulted in hundreds of thousands innocent civilian deaths and a country which is no better off than it was previously,
and my many accounts much worse.
no, the u.s. doesn't come out as the good guy in this one.

We can argue but we should best agree to disagree on this one. I participated in the 1st Gulf War and we should have never slacked up.

[KCALB SIRAY]

obama has no where to go but up.


bob_vt, the attack on iraq was an unjustified and aggressive act and illegal under intl law. it has resulted in hundreds of thousands innocent civilian deaths and a country which is no better off than it was previously,
and my many accounts much worse.
no, the u.s. doesn't come out as the good guy in this one.

By their own hand, make sure you state it the way it should be stated.

[bobby]

Just because I don't agree with who or what you voted for doesn't make me less intelligent

Who you voted for was never the reason I questioned your intelligence.

[bobby]

Why is it that our children can't read a Bible in school, but they can in prison?

Why is it that we spend more on war/destruction/killing than we do on education or on healthcare?:iono:

[SIPNGAS]

Why do we spend more per person in prison than we do each child in public school?

[SIPNGAS]

Bobby? Can I ask...(sure, you don't HAVE to answer..) how old are you and what do you do for a living or do you go to school?

[Bob_VT]

Why do we spend more per person in prison than we do each child in public school?

Absolutely! That's right. The judicial system has enough people pending trial and prison to re-fill every prison bed if they were all empty!

[jclo3313]

Back to the question I've asked before Bobby, how old are you.

[KCALB SIRAY]

i've asked too before and never got an answer

[SIPNGAS]

We have a few teens here...he may not BE old enough to vote..how would we know?

[jclo3313]

Back to the question I've asked before Bobby, how old are you. Inquring minds want to know.

[bobby]

http://www.change.gov

I am feeling so proud, and so optomistic about the future of this country...and it feels SO GOOD! :biggrin:

[jclo3313]

Dude are you rubbing one out? Thats gross dude. Oh yeah, how old are you?

[bobby]

Humph! Don't dampen my enthusiasm. I am just very VERY relieved that soon the Bush years will be history, (a dark spot in our history, but nonetheless) and that our new, brilliant, 44th President will take over & usher in a new--and better--era in America.

Is it so awful to feel joy, pride, optimism, and hope for the future of this country? :thumbup:

[Appalachian Trail 2007]

All of the nonsense that is being thrown about in the last two days doesn't serve anyone well. All of the doomsday prognosticating and the "get ready for this" or "this should be interesting" type comments only betray the arrogance of voters who have refused to acknowledge that they are:

a) not in the majority
b) mostly not expert political analysts

I'm not saying "you lost, get over it" but I am saying that we all have an obligation to put aside the negative spirit of this campaign season and do our part to help America get back on track. It begins with a humble spirit which I confess I have lacked at times in my political debates, a spirit that does not assume that I have been right all along and that everyone else is too stupid to see it.

[SIPNGAS]

Well, since we just got over the election and both sides feel that their candidate of choice was best for the job....wouldn't it make sense that as happy as Obama supporters are, McCain supporters can be equally as disappointed?

Obama isn't my president until January. I've always said, we'll just have to see what happens. That's neither supporting nor condescending. But just because he won, doesn't mean I have to flip a switch and cheer.

[Appalachian Trail 2007]

All of the nonsense that is being thrown about in the last two days doesn't serve anyone well. All of the doomsday prognosticating and the "get ready for this" or "this should be interesting" type comments only betray the arrogance of voters who have refused to acknowledge that they are:

a) not in the majority
b) mostly not expert political analysts

I'm not saying "you lost, get over it" but I am saying that we all have an obligation to put aside the negative spirit of this campaign season and do our part to help America get back on track. It begins with a humble spirit which I confess I have lacked at times in my political debates, a spirit that does not assume that I have been right all along and that everyone else is too stupid to see it.

If you read it again you'll see that I didn't say you had to cheer. And in the beginning I said I was talking to the people who have been saying

' "get ready for this" or "this should be interesting" '

So if that doesn't mean you then good for you.

[bobby]

Obama isn't my president until January

Sadly, this is true. Until January, we're stuck with an unmitigated idiot cowboy as President... :thumbdown:

[bobby]

Oh c'mon, you know Bush is a moron! Stop pretending he isn't. The gig is up!

[Appalachian Trail 2007]

bobby you're not really making anyone "see the light" by being an ass. Just a suggestion.

[SIPNGAS]

Oh stop, everyone. Bobby's opinion obviously means more than anyone else's and how can you argue with perfection? If we all drop it he would have to talk to himself and I KNOW he wouldn't want that because I can't stand listening to him anymore.

[bobby]

takes one to know one

Perhaps...I certainly know Bush is a moron. :thumbdown:

[bobby]

yes but THE PEOPLE chose him , so therefore you can't really just blame HIM. and don't start with the Florida controversy

Well, actually, in 2000 Bush lost the popular vote to Gore. Nonetheless, what does 'the people chose him' have to do with the fact that he's a dope? The people chose a dope. What's your point? I understand he's the President (hurry, January 20th, HURRY!) but he's stupid, and his administration was the worst in history, and a global embarrasment.

Umm, the people chose him. That is correct. And the country is better off because of this choice...? :confused:

[SIPNGAS]

*cough*

can I take back subtle?

LMAO

[Bob_VT]

yes but THE PEOPLE chose him , so therefore you can't really just blame HIM. and don't start with the Florida controversy

Well, actually, in 2000 Bush lost the popular vote to Gore. Nonetheless, what does 'the people chose him' have to do with the fact that he's a dope? The people chose a dope. What's your point? I understand he's the President (hurry, January 20th, HURRY!) but he's stupid, and his administration was the worst in history, and a global embarrasment.
Umm, the people chose him. That is correct. And the country is better off because of this choice...? :confused:

You are somewhat confused. Colin Powell was part of that administration and I worked with him in the Army. I do not feel there was any embarrasment there. So based on your statement you do not approve of General Powell? You obviously have not served in any military service or you would show more respect.

George Bush carried 30 states in that election and recently Barack Obama carried 28...... That's all history now but neither were a landslide.

If you had been sincerely so unhappy with President Bush you could have left.

Based on the wishes of President Elect Obama what type of Service are you going to be involved with?

[bobby]

What does Colin Powell think about George W. Bush? Proud of the work he did with that administration??

Please. It was a failed Presidency, and every Republikkkan in this country is running away from Bush/Cheney. Bush was the worst President since Hoover.

Great choice, America! :laugh:

[SIPNGAS]

no no it's a keeper ;o)

I thought that was sarcastic...

[SIPNGAS]

bobby you sound like a scratched cd, change your tune or ill make a rearview mirror ornament out of you!:mad:

Mirror balls are hot...very retro....:thumbup:

[Appalachian Trail 2007]

mmmmmm mirror balls

[floydisrock]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1083501/Day-One-Obama-faces-Cold-War-threat-warning-Israel.html

Mr president elect don't look so happy.
Where is the defense cuts now?

The dow down another 500 points.
Get to work!

[Astroman]

Ball is still in Mr. Bush's court.

[staypuft]

eh i cannot vote for a person that just stands with hands at his side during the national anthem, i like how people play off that bush was a mistake, we voted for him 2wice, how are we to say we did the right thing by voting for a catch phrase? change. what is this so called change? i agree that bush made some bad choices but we cant blame everything on the guy, how about our house and senate? what have they done for us? i am from chicago and i didnt vote for the democrats, i still dont know what obama has accomplished in the senate to give him credit for this change he promises. i will just sit back and hope i still have a job next year and pray that these politicians are more walk than talk. and if shit hits the fan we have nobody else to blame but ourselves since we put these people in office. we can only hope for the better and pray things dont get any worse than it is. the economy is down and the world is watching us. we'll see what happens next. /endrant

[Malaya1221]

i don't think prayer works! if it does, my yaris should have been turbo charged by now!:tongue::biggrin:

[Nigal]

Bobby reminds me of the guys in The Life of Brian who refuse to stop following Brian around and refuse to believe he isn't the Messiah.

"How shall we fuck off oh Lord?"

[stuffy]

seems the republican party likes 'em stupid.....with the talk of palin being a presidential candidate in 2012

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081107.welectionpalin07/BNStory/SpecialEvents2/

[floydisrock]

Don't you guys see these politicians are nothing but puppets?
Just a club of ultra rich who need power to feed their ego's?
We'd be better voting in someone with no experience,and vote them out again before they can be corupted by the elite.
The same machine that fed bush is now going to run obama's white house.

Write down all those promises you heard last week,it's the last you will hear of them.
Name me one politician who ever kept their promises?

[bobby]

seems the republican party likes 'em stupid.....with the talk of palin being a presidential candidate in 2012

They absolutely do. I think for many Republikkkan's a leader who is bright, articulate, well-educated, & a critical-thinker is seen as 'elitist', whatever that really means. They see intelligence as a negative, deserving of scorn & derision. They mock brilliant leaders, and treat them with disdain.

Republikkkan's are happiest when their leader is intellectually limited, and speaks like an inarticulate cowboy. They love his 'it's our (the United States) way or the highway' attitude, and feel that this stance has been extremely productive in our global relationships.

So, yeah, they like 'em stupid. :wink:

[SIPNGAS]

Yay! Bobby's back. I dunno...it's all sounding the same.

[jclo3313]

OVER IT

[stuffy]

Don't you guys see these politicians are nothing but puppets?
Just a club of ultra rich who need power to feed their ego's?
We'd be better voting in someone with no experience,and vote them out again before they can be corupted by the elite.
The same machine that fed bush is now going to run obama's white house.

Write down all those promises you heard last week,it's the last you will hear of them.
Name me one politician who ever kept their promises?

bush and his neocon posse took your country in such a radical direction, so yes, things will inevitably be different.

i dont' disagree that our countries' governments serve the corporate interests first,
but obama as leader will not be concocting a web of lies to start wars to line the coffers of the bechtels, the carlyle groups and the halliburtons.

will he live up to every promise?...highly doubtful,
but no doubt his government will take things in a very different direction.

[bobby]

Palin was particularly perfect for the Republikkkan's...she knew nothing.

Here's Palin's answer to which Supreme Court decision--other than Roe v. Wade--she disagreed with: :iono:


But she was cute, you betcha! <giggle>

[TLyttle]

Lots of people hope so, the current direction leads to catastrophe. I recently heard an internationally-known economist predict that, unless the US changes direction, and soon, it could become a 3rd-world nation by 2020. Now, THERE'S a thought for you!

And on another site, someone posted a picture of a smiling, very smug-looking Bush with the caption, "So Long, Suckers"...

[floydisrock]

I've got a great idea,empty out the prison population.
Push them out of a plane over iran with an ak.
The national debt could be wiped out in a number of years in savings housing the gangs and our enemies could have mansion and his buddies as neighbors.

[bobby]

err, yeah, interesting ideas....

[ChinoCharles]

I'm closing this thread because it sucks. No more politics. We win.