All your Yaris still care of MPG?

[jamal1984]

I don't hardly lately, since the gas price are drops dramatically. I drive hard, speeding alot, and you know what i feel good about it.
And last time i got 33mpg instead of around 40mpg+.
But still the weather got cold now, love the winter time. Hope there is snow this year in GA.
Well anyway i hope the gas is not going back up at 5 dollars a gallon again, or else i feel very old in my yaris.
:burnrubber:....:evil:

[darthbauer]

I still care just cause im broke.

[jamal1984]

I still care just cause im broke.

:drinking: thanks for remind me, i forgot that i'm broke too. I still got a whole tank of gas, so i'm fine for whole week. :burnrubber:....:evil:

[SilverBack]

Doesn't bother me none. Still don't have to hit the gas station for 3 to 4 weeks at a time. No worries. Still tempting to speed though

[IsLNdbOi]

:drinking: thanks for remind me, i forgot that i'm broke too. I still got a whole tank of gas, so i'm fine for whole week. :burnrubber:....:evil:


A full tank only lasts you a week?

Personally, I feel that gas prices should have stayed up so that more of the gas guzzlers and gas wasters would stop driving.

[TinyGiant]

im not driving at 50mph Max now.. going about 60 at times.. still getting 35 mpg.. down from 38mpg :)

not shutting the car off at lights either too.. i think its a waste of starts lol

but yeha i still keep a log every fill up )

[jamal1984]

A full tank only lasts you a week?

Personally, I feel that gas prices should have stayed up so that more of the gas guzzlers and gas wasters would stop driving.

yeah, i drove around 300 miles or more a week. :iono: I take it everywhere and not even worry about gas.

[tetzyamis]

I've never tried to get better MPG.
But Yaris gives me good one :)

[rningonfumes]

Most definitely. Money saved on gas is money which can be spent elsewhere.

I drive a lot, around 450-490 miles every week so mpg matters. I drive till empty and fill up to full. 47-49mpgs-- average of 48mpgs over the weeks.

I've even tried incorporating the use of my bicycle--every bit counts.

[jamal1984]

hum, i see alot of sedan including myself are getting a little bit better mpg over liftback.

[IsLNdbOi]

I've been getting almost 49mpg on my last couple of tanks. Has to be the hyper-miling techniques I've been using.

I think alot of the other LB drivers have lead feet.

[Appalachian Trail 2007]

I've been getting almost 49mpg on my last couple of tanks. Has to be the hyper-miling techniques I've been using.

I think alot of the other LB drivers have lead feet.


Yeah I never thought of that before...I guess if you have one lead foot you probably have another one too, making lead feet :thumbup::wub:

[b_hickman11]

A full tank only lasts you a week?

Personally, I feel that gas prices should have stayed up so that more of the gas guzzlers and gas wasters would stop driving.

A tank only last me a week also. I have a 40 mile commute to work so there and back for 5 days is 400 miles. Then a little bit of running around on the weekend. I got my 08 in mid August and it already has 6000 miles on it which includes it being in the body shop for 2 weeks from Hurricane damage.

[IsLNdbOi]

Wow, seems like you southerners like long commutes. Nothing like a quiet couple of hours every week with the beloved car. :tongue:

My commute is only 18 miles a day and a tank usually lasts me 2 and a half weeks or more depending on how many extra-curricular activities I have during the week.

[500snakz]

Most definitely. Money saved on gas is money which can be spent elsewhere.

I drive a lot, around 450-490 miles every week so mpg matters. I drive till empty and fill up to full. 47-49mpgs-- average of 48mpgs over the weeks.

I've even tried incorporating the use of my bicycle--every bit counts.


SORRY, but I don't believe you are getting 48 mpg. It is not possible unless you are going down a mountain, drafting a 18wheeler.

[Appalachian Trail 2007]

SORRY, but I don't believe you are getting 48 mpg. It is not possible unless you are going down a mountain, drafting a 18wheeler.

oh no you di'int...

[IsLNdbOi]

SORRY, but I don't believe you are getting 48 mpg. It is not possible unless you are going down a mountain, drafting a 18wheeler.

You've heard of hyper-miling right?

[500snakz]

Yep! You cant idle and get 49 mpg in a yaris.

[Appalachian Trail 2007]

yeah if you're idling without moving you're getting 0 mpg

If you're idling while going 60mph then you're getting about 300mpg

WOW

[drummerboy2004]

SORRY, but I don't believe you are getting 48 mpg. It is not possible unless you are going down a mountain, drafting a 18wheeler.

I can attest that you can, and many others see numbers higher than me. I usually get 45 in the city going to USF in Tampa (busy). I have an AT, which means you would see higher in a manual. Oh, check out CleanMPG, and put down the AAA articles about hypermiling... wildly inaccurate.

Matt

[drummerboy2004]

I don't hardly lately, since the gas price are drops dramatically. I drive hard, speeding alot, and you know what i feel good about it.
And last time i got 33mpg instead of around 40mpg+.
But still the weather got cold now, love the winter time. Hope there is snow this year in GA.
Well anyway i hope the gas is not going back up at 5 dollars a gallon again, or else i feel very old in my yaris.
:burnrubber:....:evil:

This seems consensus nowadays... gas drops, and so does concern. This is like having cancer, and not doing anything about unless you see symptoms... We are still far too dependent on foreign oil, which is a better reason to save gas. Saving money is just an upside to the issue. Oh, and it gives you something to feed the innate competitive nature of humans... which I guess is good.

Matt

[rningonfumes]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 500snakz View Post
SORRY, but I don't believe you are getting 48 mpg. It is not possible unless you are going down a mountain, drafting a 18wheeler.


oh no you di'int...
oh no you di'int...


LOL...Thanks Trail.

I am in no way bragging.

Snakz... first time out of the dealer, I got 45 mpgs. When I got the car I figured it was an econobox, I should drive it like one. I didn't expect it to get that high right out of the box. Getting 45 mpgs encouraged me to look up how to improve the number.

I urge you to try just 3 things:

1. Drive at speed limit (most important factor)
2. No redlight racing.
3. Smooth starts and lots of coasting.

(if you want more, look up the stickies in the "Fuel Economy Section")

Try it for 1 month.

There are many many members here, on Cleanmpg.com and gassavers.org who will look at the 3 items and will whole heartedly agree that they work.

At one point my mission was to break the 50mpg barrier, took some extra work and I finally did it early summer. Even having hit 50 mpgs, I'm not at the top. It amazes me that others are up there, I'm proud that a member here with an Hatchback Auto-tranny has beat 50 mpgs for about 4 straight tanks? Then there is Bailout...

I'm happy with my average... don't want to keep working for 50mpgs.

If I could only drive down an endless mountain..I wouldn't need an 18wheeler and get infinite mileage (granted till friction wears everything down). If you read up just one of Bailout's(member here) post, you'll know how I could achieve infinite mileage in this particular circumstance- Hypermiler's wet dream.

[Appalachian Trail 2007]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 500snakz View Post
SORRY, but I don't believe you are getting 48 mpg. It is not possible unless you are going down a mountain, drafting a 18wheeler.


oh no you di'int...


LOL...Thanks Trail.

I am in no way bragging.

Snakz... first time out of the dealer, I got 45 mpgs. When I got the car I figured it was an econobox, I should drive it like one. I didn't expect it to get that high right out of the box. Getting 45 mpgs encouraged me to look up how to improve the number.

I urge you to try just 3 things:

1. Drive at speed limit (most important factor)
2. No redlight racing.
3. Smooth starts and lots of coasting.

(if you want more, look up the stickies in the "Fuel Economy Section")

Try it for 1 month.

There are many many members here, on Cleanmpg.com and gassavers.org who will look at the 3 items and will whole heartedly agree that they work.

At one point my mission was to break the 50mpg barrier, took some extra work and I finally did it early summer. Even having hit 50 mpgs, I'm not at the top. It amazes me that others are up there, I'm proud that a member here with an Hatchback Auto-tranny has beat 50 mpgs for about 4 straight tanks? Then there is Bailout...

I'm happy with my average... don't want to keep working for 50mpgs.

If I could only drive down an endless mountain..I wouldn't need an 18wheeler and get infinite mileage (granted till friction wears everything down). If you read up just one of Bailout's(member here) post, you'll know how I could achieve infinite mileage in this particular circumstance- Hypermiler's wet dream.

No problem bud, hey where'd your picture go? I always loved your avatar.

[rningonfumes]

This one, or the Simpsons?

[Appalachian Trail 2007]

that one, I love the pink scooter

[Phaeton]

I still drive like gas is a vanishing commodity, I hope that someday it actually does run out.

[IsLNdbOi]

I still drive like gas is a vanishing commodity, I hope that someday it actually does run out.

That's a selfish and horrible thing to hope for, but sometimes I too hope that it runs out. Ought to teach everyone a lesson.

[drummerboy2004]

I still drive like gas is a vanishing commodity, I hope that someday it actually does run out.

Me too... but I hope we have the technology to deal with it when that time comes...

Matt

[Latka]

Just FYI - no need to put an "s" at the end of MPG. It's already plural. ;)

Can't wait to get my own Yaris and spend less on gas. We've got an Infiniti G35 Sedan that we're going to get rid of. I *love* that car, but man am I sick of paying for the gas for it. Nissan Titan as well, but we're keeping that one. If the Versa came in 2 door Hatchback ...nah, I'd still get a Yaris. Better lookin car.

[drummerboy2004]

Just FYI - no need to put an "s" at the end of MPG. It's already plural. ;)

Can't wait to get my own Yaris and spend less on gas. We've got an Infiniti G35 Sedan that we're going to get rid of. I *love* that car, but man am I sick of paying for the gas for it. Nissan Titan as well, but we're keeping that one. If the Versa came in 2 door Hatchback ...nah, I'd still get a Yaris. Better lookin car.

Good decision to drop the Infiniti... That is a really nice car, but yes... the gas is a pain. At least you have the Titan, and not the Tundra... You don't want the Versa anyway... Looks like a miniature minivan, much like the Fit...
Oh, and thanks for the heads-up on the MPG... I have never really thought about its plurality.

Matt

[yarswiss]

Man do I love the whole "Things are cheap now so I don't have to economize" mentality. Just wait until the whole Presidential run is over. I can guarantee that within a month or two of the Presidency changing hands, prices will shoot up again, and rightfully so. Anyone who's lived through an election knows that the prices always collapse right before the general election.

The way I see it, the lower prices go, the more I save, not the more I waste. I went from paying $1100 a year for gas to just under $700, driving 13000 miles a year. Even if prices were $1, I'd still do it. Heck, if prices go to $6 and up, I'll still be able to afford it easily!

[specialeducator]

supply-demand

you use more through your carelessness and demand (price) goes up

dips*#t

[Woody_Woodchuck]

Yes yarswiss, I hear that mentality also and it makes me mighty sad. That way of thinking is going to put us back where we were faster.

I still care about my mpg and am always trying to do better. Hey, even at $1.00 US a gallon I can still save money, at $5.00+ US a gallon I save more!

I am using this short reprieve in high gas prices to refine my hypermiling techniques. It will cost me a little less to make a few errors while experimenting with what techniques work best on my commute terrain. For example: I tried pulse and glide for last week’s commuting (300 miles/week). I might just have to practice a bit but my tank average mileage dropped from over 45 mpg to 43.81. There also were frosty mornings and cold commutes so that might be part of it.

Folks doubt that over 50 mpg US is impossible in a Yaris with the 1.5 gas engine? With the right driver and good terrain I believe 55 is not out of the question. Yes, it will take some work and concentration but it is not impossible.

[voodoo22]

I wouldn't care about these wasteful people if the responsible people didn't have to bail them out when their lives fall apart.

I will feel no remorse if we decide to buy a house and get it for cheap because some idiot was living beyond their means.

Unfortunately when people waste gas, it causes us all problems, but all you can do yourself is not be part of the problem.

55 mpg is definitely possible, even with an AT. With a MT I would think you could break 60.

[Woody_Woodchuck]

60 MPG with the 1.5 MT gasser!? Man I’d love that. With my hilly commute and me having troubles keeping the 45 mpg tanks terrain is going to dictate what I can achieve. I’m thinking 50 is about all I will be able to manage. Not that I won’t try for more but that might be just out of my range.

I did have almost a 55 mpg average, for 50 mile trip, home a couple times by going 20 miles out of my way for shopping. That I could improve on by traveling it a couple times but it would actually use more gas overall to get the better number. I just picked to live in a crappy mpg commute location.

[drummerboy2004]

I wouldn't care about these wasteful people if the responsible people didn't have to bail them out when their lives fall apart.

I will feel no remorse if we decide to buy a house and get it for cheap because some idiot was living beyond their means.

Unfortunately when people waste gas, it causes us all problems, but all you can do yourself is not be part of the problem.

55 mpg is definitely possible, even with an AT. With a MT I would think you could break 60.

I always get the feeling that my attempts to conserve are being trumped by the addition of another person who has no care in the world about economy because, from what I have noticed, there are a billion bad (or inefficient) drivers to every one of us. Sucks... I just hope that more and more people catch onto the trend every time gas gets high... because they do not care when it gets low again. For them, it is back to mashing the foot on the gas.

Matt

[MadMax]

I like the lower gas prices, it enables me to drive my Jeep more often because it is cheaper than when gas was near $4/gal. But I love driving the Yaris and getting a lot of miles out of a gallon of gas as well, so it still gets its fair share of road time. I also have two motorcycles, so if I want performance and/or better mileage than the Yaris, I have them. And the wife drives our Honda Odyssey, so if we need to haul anything (to include the kids), we use it.

Overall, it is nice not having to spend $70+ at the pump. I still haven't filled my Yaris up for under $20, but I am close! At one point back in 2001, gas was down to 79¢/gallon here...it would be real nice to see that again!

Cheers! M2

[voodoo22]

60 MPG with the 1.5 MT gasser!? Man I’d love that. With my hilly commute and me having troubles keeping the 45 mpg tanks terrain is going to dictate what I can achieve. I’m thinking 50 is about all I will be able to manage. Not that I won’t try for more but that might be just out of my range.

I did have almost a 55 mpg average, for 50 mile trip, home a couple times by going 20 miles out of my way for shopping. That I could improve on by traveling it a couple times but it would actually use more gas overall to get the better number. I just picked to live in a crappy mpg commute location.

Yeah, I wouldn't think 60 is attainable unless the person driving has a lot of refined technique and the weather and commute allows for extreme driving, but I bet it's easy to get if those criteria are met.

In my experience, anything in the mid to high 40's is not attained without a lot of discipline, so even on my relatively easy commute, you'd be doing great with those numbers.:thumbsup:

[voodoo22]

I always get the feeling that my attempts to conserve are being trumped by the addition of another person who has no care in the world about economy because, from what I have noticed, there are a billion bad (or inefficient) drivers to every one of us. Sucks... I just hope that more and more people catch onto the trend every time gas gets high... because they do not care when it gets low again. For them, it is back to mashing the foot on the gas.

Matt

I know exactly what you mean, but maybe think of it this way. Those bad drivers will be wasting resources whether you conserve or not. So you're offsetting their waste.. at least a little bit.

People will whine and complain about anything, but never change their behaviour to come to a solution. If everyone drove like you a lot of the current problems wouldn't exist. All you can do is lead by example, even if your students on the road are rude and dangerous:smile:

[500snakz]

My absolute best was 39.9247 mpg. That WAS hypermiling. Drafting as many 18 wheelers and putting it in neutral and shutting the motor off and coasting when I knew I was going to be coming to a stop. Its only rated to get 35 highway and we all know how they fudge the actual numbers. So 39 rounded to 40 is all MY yaris is going to get...period. I do not believe and will never believe that anyone gets 45-50 on a flat open road with all highway miles. 40 in the city is rediculous. I live near Elizabeth City North Carolina, so if anyone wants to prove me wrong...come show me.
The only true and accurate way is to run all the gas out till it cuts off and empty. Then put in 5 gallons from a spare tank and drive till empty and cuts off. Anyone want to prove me wrong?
I have the car, gas, and gas tank.
ANY TAKERS?

[rningonfumes]

Snaks, for your case, please make a new thread.

List your car ie..auto/manual....scanguage....how you drive, all that stuff.

Give us a typical drive from point A to point B. Describe most of it.


Lets see if we all can help tweak it.

[drummerboy2004]

My absolute best was 39.9247 mpg. That WAS hypermiling. Drafting as many 18 wheelers and putting it in neutral and shutting the motor off and coasting when I knew I was going to be coming to a stop. Its only rated to get 35 highway and we all know how they fudge the actual numbers. So 39 rounded to 40 is all MY yaris is going to get...period. I do not believe and will never believe that anyone gets 45-50 on a flat open road with all highway miles. 40 in the city is rediculous. I live near Elizabeth City North Carolina, so if anyone wants to prove me wrong...come show me.
The only true and accurate way is to run all the gas out till it cuts off and empty. Then put in 5 gallons from a spare tank and drive till empty and cuts off. Anyone want to prove me wrong?
I have the car, gas, and gas tank.
ANY TAKERS?


Tampa is a busy city near my school, and I do not lie in my calculations. You should look at my last couple of tanks... Usually pull 45 in the city. Coming home today I did almost 49 MPG, but it is only a 10 mile one way from school to the apartment. Oh, and Florida is as flat as a 10 year-old's chest, and I have easily gotten over 50 on the highways... that is with no tricks, just driving slower. Oh, and I will take the offer, but will drive in reverse the whole week to make the MPG numbers more believable. :clap:

Matt

[drummerboy2004]

I know exactly what you mean, but maybe think of it this way. Those bad drivers will be wasting resources whether you conserve or not. So you're offsetting their waste.. at least a little bit.

People will whine and complain about anything, but never change their behaviour to come to a solution. If everyone drove like you a lot of the current problems wouldn't exist. All you can do is lead by example, even if your students on the road are rude and dangerous:smile:

This sounds like much of the apathetic Americans of today. They want to save the world, but do not want to lift a finger (exception to change the channel). They want to help the disabled, but only do so with cash. They would look the other way if a disabled individual wanted to be their friend. We all want to, but only a few do.

Oh, and I feel like the number of people conservatively driving is increasing, but some people will never change, so problems will always exist...

Matt

[Woody_Woodchuck]

500snaks. I’m near Raleigh and make a few trips to the Outer banks every year traveling on 64. I’m no pro hypermiler but am getting 44 MPG tanks with my commute: country rolling roads, highway and city.. Do you perhaps have a boat and go fishing? Maybe we can trade!

[eTiMaGo]

Sure, with cheap(er) gas it's certainly more tempting to put your foot down more than before, I'm not gonna lie and say I don't do it, I do tend to drive faster on the highway than back in August, but not thaat much. But, I also still use whatever fuel-stretching techniques I can, coasting to red lights/tolls, DFCO, etc, so my average mileage is maybe just 1.5MPG worse than my absolute best, and far better than before I tried saving any fuel at all :smile:

[500snakz]

I have an auto tranny and I drive 98.5 miles round trip on all open highway to work 4 times a week. Thats nearly 400 miles a week just going to work.
Its all country highway miles.
The yaris has 13k miles.
38lb of air in tires.
Driving 50 mph/5 under speed limit.
Coasting to stops in neutral with the engine cut off.
No a/c used.
No defroster used.
Mid grade fuel.
Air filter changed at 10k miles.
Oil changed every 3k miles by the dealer.
I feel like the car is running perfectly.
It may be true for others, all I'm saying is that I cannot get any more than 40 mpg.( Thats 5 mpg MORE than stated on the sticker). And I am sorry, I just don't believe that 45-50 is attainable with NO modifications to the car.
Don't get me wrong...I am VERY satisfied with 40 milking it and 36-37 normal driving.
Someone please show me that it IS possible.

[500snakz]

500snaks. I’m near Raleigh and make a few trips to the Outer banks every year traveling on 64. I’m no pro hypermiler but am getting 44 MPG tanks with my commute: country rolling roads, highway and city.. Do you perhaps have a boat and go fishing? Maybe we can trade!

Tampa is a busy city near my school, and I do not lie in my calculations. You should look at my last couple of tanks... Usually pull 45 in the city. Coming home today I did almost 49 MPG, but it is only a 10 mile one way from school to the apartment. Oh, and Florida is as flat as a 10 year-old's chest, and I have easily gotten over 50 on the highways... that is with no tricks, just driving slower. Oh, and I will take the offer, but will drive in reverse the whole week to make the MPG numbers more believable. :clap:

Matt

Woody: I am about 45-60 minutes from the obx. Let me know when you come this way.

Drummerboy: Do the run out and refill method and see if thats still an accurate number. Maybe you are not re-filling to the same level and therefore throwing the numbers off.

[500snakz]

I know exactly what you mean, but maybe think of it this way. Those bad drivers will be wasting resources whether you conserve or not. So you're offsetting their waste.. at least a little bit.

People will whine and complain about anything, but never change their behaviour to come to a solution. If everyone drove like you a lot of the current problems wouldn't exist. All you can do is lead by example, even if your students on the road are rude and dangerous:smile:

My other vehicle is an 04 dodge ram SRT10, 500 hp, V10, 505ci(8.3 L) and gets 9 city and 11 hwy on premiun only:burnrubber:. Is that what you are refering to?:iono:
Am I offsetting my wastefulness by driving my yaris?:biggrin:

I changed my behaviour by buying and driving the yaris to commute to work.

[drummerboy2004]

I have an auto tranny and I drive 98.5 miles round trip on all open highway to work 4 times a week. Thats nearly 400 miles a week just going to work.
Its all country highway miles.
The yaris has 13k miles.
38lb of air in tires.
Driving 50 mph/5 under speed limit.
Coasting to stops in neutral with the engine cut off.
No a/c used.
No defroster used.
Mid grade fuel.
Air filter changed at 10k miles.
Oil changed every 3k miles by the dealer.
I feel like the car is running perfectly.
It may be true for others, all I'm saying is that I cannot get any more than 40 mpg.( Thats 5 mpg MORE than stated on the sticker). And I am sorry, I just don't believe that 45-50 is attainable with NO modifications to the car.
Don't get me wrong...I am VERY satisfied with 40 milking it and 36-37 normal driving.
Someone please show me that it IS possible.

Based on this information... You should be getting over 50 because that is what I would get in the same car doing the same thing. YOU do not need the mid grade fuel... it is useless if your car calls for regular. Oh, and the manual for our vehicle calls for oil changes every 5000, or at least mine does...

Matt

[talnlnky]

I don't hardly lately, since the gas price are drops dramatically. I drive hard, speeding alot, and you know what i feel good about it.
And last time i got 33mpg instead of around 40mpg+.
But still the weather got cold now, love the winter time. Hope there is snow this year in GA.
Well anyway i hope the gas is not going back up at 5 dollars a gallon again, or else i feel very old in my yaris.
:burnrubber:....:evil:


funny thing is... I don't care about the price... I only care about the mpg's. I'll be paying for gas regardless of it being .99/gallon or 9.9/gallon. The only thing that will change is how much I drive, and if I have to wake up a tiny bit earlier and pay $30 a month to get a bus pass.

I'm still surprised I haven't seen $5 at the pumps yet... back in 03 I figured we'd have seen that by now.... Came close last summer.

[drummerboy2004]

funny thing is... I don't care about the price... I only care about the mpg's. I'll be paying for gas regardless of it being .99/gallon or 9.9/gallon. The only thing that will change is how much I drive, and if I have to wake up a tiny bit earlier and pay $30 a month to get a bus pass.

I'm still surprised I haven't seen $5 at the pumps yet... back in 03 I figured we'd have seen that by now.... Came close last summer.

This is the mentality I wish everyone had... They seem to think lower prices mean they are not doing as bad by driving more and carelessly. Last time I checked... we do not have an unlimited supply of this stuff. They should find out who the wasteful ones are, and make their future children walk when we run out of gas...

Oh, and 5$ gas... it will be here sooner than we all think.

Matt

[metalshark]

Modified DFCO. Currently, averaging 43 MPG in the commute, I've started shifting up under light throttle at the maximum RPM I will be at when my cruise control is engaged. When I've shifted into 5th I just hit resume on the cruise and let Rostra control the acceleration rate from there on up. All the speed trap cops on my commute know I'm using cruise religiously at just look disgusted on the slow days. When they pull in behind they quickly turn off looking for a bigger fish. When I see that red light 1/8 mile away I time my brake tap (disengage cruise) so that I haven't dropped below 30 when the light goes back green. Above 30 MPG Rostra will resume and accelerate the car back up to the posted limit without ever having used the brakes, clutch, or shifter. I find it relaxing. Any more, almost all tickets are getting close to $200. The local governments here have lost so much sales tax that it seems like they spend whats left of their money for more red light cameras both on the interstates and at red lights. The local sherrifs are also fond of their roving camera vans placed where ever they can collect a fine. What's better than cheating Wall Street oil speculators? Cheating greedy self serving governments. Economy requires the starving of ALL parasites and vermin.

[drummerboy2004]

Drummerboy: Do the run out and refill method and see if thats still an accurate number. Maybe you are not re-filling to the same level and therefore throwing the numbers off.

The run out method would be more true, but is bad for your fuel pump because running out of gas causes this to overheat. If this is the method you are using, I would suggest changing the ways...

It is possible that I am not refilling to the same levels, but based on all of the tanks I have filled and the various gas stations I have been to over time, systematic and random error would likely be accounted for over time. Besides, my numbers cannot be off by very much... even with my current methodology.

Matt

[sportin83]

i noticed that my gas mileage has gone down to about 33 instead of 36 to 37. i remote start let warm up longer and drive harder these days too. i am glad gas is down below $2.00 here in IL.