Subs and ohms and amps -- oh my!

[Sodium Duck]

I have an MTX Audio MXA6001 amp. It's 300 watts RMS at 4 ohms, and 600 watts RMS at 2 ohms. I have a 12" MTX Audio T5512-04 sub paired with it, single 4 ohm voice coil, 300 watts RMS. I thought it sounded good, if that gives you any baseline about my audiophile-ness.

Anyways, that sub is too big for the Yaris IMO, it just won't fit properly. So, I am going to buy a new, smaller 10" sub.

I'm going to build a new enclosure that will be a maximum of 1 cubic foot. I will decrease the size accordingly with whatever the manufacturer of the sub suggests.

Anyone have a suggestion for a sub? I'm open to anything as long as it's under, say about $140.00 -- less is always better.

[evan]

If space is a major concern you could do a pair of shallow mount 10's. Two of the Pioneer TS-SW251 would be right on budget. Two subs, each with single 4 ohm voice coils, would allow you to run your amp at 2 ohms.

Just a thought.

What kind of music do you listen to and how loud?

[Sodium Duck]

I designed the box so a single 10 would fit in it. I'm keeping this install small and simple. It's going to be fitted perfectly behind the smaller of the two rear fold down seats. That way I'll be able to still fold down the larger of the two fold downs and put my junk in.

I listen to everything, which kinda of sucks in the way of what sub to choose. Country, rock, rap, metal, hip hop, classical, funk, truckin' music, classic rock, big band, bluegrass, AM talk shows, techno, reggae, house, jazz, blues, etc. Seriously... I listen to everything. The only thing I can think of that I don't like and listen to regularly is gospel music.

And I don't listen to it terribly loud. It's not like a want to be cruising around the block setting off car alarms. I just want a decent 10" sub.

[talnlnky]

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-414
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-460
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-550
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=264-862

i assume your 1cuft box is a sealed box... any of these should work fine.

[Spades]

parts express has good products for the most part, sometimes on the cheap side. I dont have experience with the subs he listed. i do know that parts express does carry Lanzar and MTX brands, and I can say that those products are very good, i have flogged several of their drivers and they are quite nice.

he linked the 10" low profile Tang Band sub, and if their 10 is anything like the two 5" subs I am messing with at the moment, it will be more than adequate for what you want.

edit...just read you are running a 1cuft box...lanzar and most mtx are out...they like bigger boxes in most applications if I am remembering right.

[Sodium Duck]

Yea, I've never heard of those brands either... I was thinking maybe an Alpine Type E?

[Treyz]

Have you tried a shallow 12"? I have a Kenwood shallow 12" in the car so I could keep all my crap in the trunk area including the donut. Now I'm not huge on loud sound anymore so I decided not to build a box around it on the bottom. Only hear the bass inside the car and not the outside so it's fine to me. Check it out if you haven't. Maybe it'll give you another option.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10298

[Sodium Duck]

10" is as big as I can go. Even now, I am really pushing it.

[Treyz]

AS stated before, try a 10" shallow then. Any pics/drawings on what box you want to build for it?

[Sodium Duck]

This is my basic design. 3/4" MDF with my measurements would give an inner volume of 1.0043945...... yea 1 cubic foot.

Depending on what the sub calls for, I may be able to recess the amp into the top or side of the case. Some 10's are calling for a .75 cubic foot box, so it might work. Otherwise, it'll just go under the passenger seat and the box will get stuffed.

[Sodium Duck]

Excuse the artwork, I'm obviouly no Bob Ross... hahaha

[evan]

Excuse the artwork, I'm obviouly no Bob Ross... hahaha
I used to love that show! It was sooo relaxing. :)

I think talnlnky has some good ideas there. I have heard really good things from some picky listeners about the Dayton Reference subs. The HF that he linked is geared more for home audio with larger enclosures but the t/s parameters of the HO are more in line with your setup.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=295-462

Here are four of the twelves in the back of a Tahoe.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/4311/tahoe2aa4.jpg

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/8329/tahoeup4.jpg

[Treyz]

OK so you literally want to add a regular box. Where you gonna mount the amp?

Have you considered in selling the setup you have now and go with something like an Infinity Bass Link? Pre amped and all.

[Sodium Duck]

Are the Dayton subs made by the same company that makes Dayton wheels? =P It looks cool, but my amp only puts out 300w RMS at 4-ohms. The one you linked is 600.

I said above, the amp will either be recessed into the box, or under the passenger seat. I don't like the boom tube things, deffinetely not the sound quality I'm looking for.

[evan]

Are the Dayton subs made by the same company that makes Dayton wheels? =P It looks cool, but my amp only puts out 300w RMS at 4-ohms. The one you linked is 600.
You're right. Something more efficient would work better.

[evan]

You're budget actually allows for lots of options. You could even go for a JL 10w3v3 which would be a very safe bet. If you wanted to go a little less mainstream you could try an RE Audio RE10 or SR10. Image Dynamics is another one to look at.

There are decent prices and hours of browsing fun here:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/
http://www.woofersetc.com/
http://www.ikesound.com/

[FcukThis]

I think an RE SE 10 would do you great.
Dayton's are very nice too.

[talnlnky]

Dayton is primarily a no-nonsense proven designs type company that caters mostly to the Home Theater DIY crowd. They make quality products.... so does Tang Band.

sealed boxes are cool cause it doesn't matter too much if your box size isn't what its supposed to be for "optimum/.707 Q) because you barely change the frequency response by going bigger... and you can make up for up to 40% of a box size by adding polyfil which means if the sub likes 1.4cuft box... you can come very close to getting that result using polyfil and a 1cuft box.

I like RE.... they were sooo cool back in the day, still make great products... but they no longer have the awesome pricing that they used to. You used to be able to pick up an RE10 for around $65. If you can get one for less than $80 its not a bad sub. But if you're pay more than that I think you might be better off with something else.
The biggest problem with the RE Audio "RE" line is the loose suspension which makes it really easy to bottom out the sub. If only they made the sub with a 2nd slug of magnet to give it another 1/2" or so of rearward clearance. Would be well worth the $5-10 cost.

[Spades]

well, the tang bands subs i have messed with have good tone quality and pack a punch. the only downside is, that while they are a very in expensive sub that handles decent power and packs a big hit and good longevity, the materials used to make the cone are a issue for car audio as far as subs are concerned. their 10 inch may have better materials, but, the smaller subs of theirs i have worked with use treated paper cones.

in a trunk without a good grill that cone may have a limited lifespan. if it has a differant cone material, it would be a awsome sub for a custom enclosure im sure. i am very happy with thier stuff so far. just check out some of the vid's of tang band stuff on youtube.

[TinyGiant]

SD come to the meet in nadick on the 23rd and check out my setup. only has 1 10" JL 10W3 and sounds awesome.. its a 300w 4ohm sub too .. DVC so you can hook it up as 2ohm and run some more through it :)

it only calls for a .675 sealed enclosure so you could make something small..

i think you'll like the sound of my system as well as it not taking up any room

[TinyGiant]

there is a guy in KEENE Nh selling 7 JL 10w3 subs for only $45 each.. you should snag one or two of those.. keep one as a backup!


i paid $40 for my jl 10w3 and it kicks arse

[FcukThis]

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=264-854
-- two of these .

or 3 of these
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=264-832

woooot :]

[Sodium Duck]

SD come to the meet in nadick on the 23rd and check out my setup. only has 1 10" JL 10W3 and sounds awesome.. its a 300w 4ohm sub too .. DVC so you can hook it up as 2ohm and run some more through it :)

it only calls for a .675 sealed enclosure so you could make something small..

i think you'll like the sound of my system as well as it not taking up any room

Damn you for tempting me! LoL

[Sodium Duck]

Is equivalent compliance (Vas) how big the box has to be? It looks like that's a figure for ported boxes... not sure, never heard of it before.

[evan]

Is equivalent compliance (Vas) how big the box has to be? It looks like that's a figure for ported boxes... not sure, never heard of it before.

Vas is not usually the same as ideal enclosure sizes but it's a parameter that directly affects it.
Recommended reading:
www.bcae1.com/

Vas is the volume of air that has the same compliance as the speaker's suspension. Stiff speakers have lower Vas and tend to use small enclosures. Speakers with loose suspension have a higher Vas and use larger enclosures.

[Sodium Duck]

Awesome site, thanks Evan.

I've narrowed it down to these subs:
http://www.caraudiodeals.com/re-audio-se10d4-p-1592.html
RE Audio SE10D4, 600W RMS, dual 4-ohm voice coils

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=295-460
Dayton RSS265HF-4, 350W RMS, single 4-ohm voice coil

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=24
JL Audio 10W3V3-4, 100-500W RMS, single 4-ohm voice coil

WISH I COULD AFFORD... hahaha
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=6
JL Audio 10W6v2-D4, 600W RMS, dual 4-ohm voice coils