small+boost=<3

[at3GG]

so....I've been talking to Caliyaris and a few others about boost options. I've been extremely wary and indecisive about what to do, if anything. I toyed with the idea of just trading in and starting fresh with a new car. But...

1. Me and my wife went and picked up her niece and nephew the other day(we're back home in NY for a week) and when we went to put in the car seats, I was once more amazed by this little car, and the room it has.

2. I drove my new friends Audi TT a few days ago, and firmly decided that small cars plus boost equals a big smile. (always assumed it, never DROVE a turbo car before)

So, i've decided to start piecing together a kit once and for all. I'll most likely just copycat Garms setup. FYI I dont have all kinds of money, so by the time i have everything ready for install, I assume someone will have cracked this bastard ECU. If not, trial and error it will be. I know this isn't the most interesting thread, but I needed to vent. I'll keep you all posted if you like but i know none of us like one update a month so I probably wont lol.

[cali yaris]

Awesome, and good luck with your project! :clap:

You are right that threads about "I'm gonna do such and such" are not the most well received.

[PETERPOOP]

bravo. stick with it!

[kou]

Good luck..i have been thinking about the zage kit,just have to change some parts.it looks like a copy of the hks kit.

[Split]

cant people use a greddy emanage blue for a low boost project?

[turboyaris]

your best bet if looking to piece together a cheap kit, would be to buy a used or new mitsubishi 14b turbo new (~450), buy lightly used Scion tc injectors (off of someone who has upgraded to a turbo on theirs), an inexpensive small intercooler like mishimoto (~125), buy a bunch of mendrel bent aluminum piping on ebay (~100), buy some simple steel bends and the flanges for the turbo manifold. and then live with the check engine light and get a piggy back fuel controller (~300), and remove the self learning o2 sensor. You should be able to it for 1500$ depending on your level of skill in fabrication...



or I could make you something like this hahahha
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/reebok182/240-4.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/reebok182/240-2.jpg

[whooppee777]

2. I drove my new friends Audi TT a few days ago, and firmly decided that small cars plus boost equals a big smile. (always assumed it, never DROVE a turbo car before)

I had a TT before i got the yaris. it was friggn sweet. had it chipped to 15 pounds of boost, borla exhaust and custom intake, and a forge diverter valve. was fun to drive. too many electrical problems though.

if you boosted the yaris u would b undoubtably faster than a TT considering the TT is about a thousand pounds heavier than a yaris. but the only downfall would be 1. the TT is AWD so it will beat you off the line and 2. the yaris is limited to a max speed of about 120mph where on the other hand i had my TT as high as 160mph, took awhile but it got there.

hit me up this spring i'll be boosted with Blitz by then and wouldnt mind a vacation to VA beach

[turboyaris]

yea you will beat a tt... i know i did... the tt's are pretty nice, and i think the emanage ultimate allows to remove the speed limit, not sure, but i'm pretty sure thats the case

[at3GG]

I dunno...by the time I need to think about management, hopefully someone will know for sure...Also weeyaris or anybody. Will i NEED bigger injectors? Or will that just result in more fuel more power etc?

P.S Family was sending money for rims for Christmas...think I'll skip the wheels and start peicing together. Hopefully. I dont know how much I car about rims right now.

[at3GG]

OK i want to do this but I'm terrified of this tuning issue. I dont want to end up with a complete turbo kit sitting in my room for a year because i cant afford for it to be tuned.....Garm..how exactly does the AEM FIC work? just wired to the ECU and constantly tweaked and observed on a laptop/computer or no?




if a garrett gt25 spools fast, wil the smaller gt1548 spool even quicker? It says for 1.0-1.6L engine 100-200 Hp seems ok? it"s not ball bearing though its journal bearing. Whats the difference?

[Tamago]

if a garrett gt25 spools fast, wil the smaller gt1548 spool even quicker? It says for 1.0-1.6L engine 100-200 Hp seems ok? it"s not ball bearing though its journal bearing. Whats the difference?

journal bearing turbos are not gonna spool as freely as ball bearing..

you don't want a GT1548. it'll run too hot.. the GT25 is a decent fit... spool at low RPM's = broken rods.. (like using nitrous at too-low of an RPM)

[at3GG]

ohhhh ok i see

[cali yaris]

GT25 FTW.

the AEM FI-C is like any other piggyback, but with lots of features. It's just that no one has made it work yet with our motor, including me, Richard and cdyjded.

at3GG, make sure you have a really good tuning shop near you when you do this. With all due respect, from the questions you're asking, you'll be leaning on some professional help to get this fabricated, installed and tuned. Expect to spend some money on your project. Just keepin' it real, man. :respekt:

[Nexus1155]

try Powercard, cheap and effective, ill see what i can dig up on a cheap standalone my buddy is working on

[cali yaris]

megasquirt supposedly worked for turboecho's car.

[at3GG]

haha you dont need to put anythign nicely cali i know I'm not goign to tune this car myself. Im just trying to learn everything i can as i go along. There is an emanage/emanage ultimate certified shop a few hours away. Thats the closest Ive found so far.

[Nexus1155]

Ok so i have been talking with my friend, this is the system that he has been playing with lately, and hopefully be offering through his shop. I have been reading up on it and it seems pretty good and am about to play with some of the software right now, ill let you know how user friendly it is

Also comes with electronic throttle control ;)

http://www.perfectpower.com/Products/smt8_L.asp

it looks easy to play just looking at it, not complicated whatsoever

[at3GG]

definately keep us posted!

[at3GG]

any word?

[anonymous user]

Perfect power is known in the impreza community among n/a applications.

AT3GG, you seem to be one of the very few people working on a turbo project.
I wish you the best of luck.
It's too bad no one is going FI where i'm from, i'd love to see a yaris project up close.

[cali yaris]

easy flight to the mainland :smile:

[Nexus1155]

Perfect power is known in the Honda community among n/a applications.
I thought Honda was the one known to have the most power per liter displacement N/A in its S2000

Lol i bet its cheaper to fly up to us than down to them :( damn tourism

[anonymous user]

I thought Honda was the one known to have the most power per liter displacement N/A in its S2000

Lol i bet its cheaper to fly up to us than down to them :( damn tourism

Well, i don't flock in honda circles anymore, but you probably are correct. Hondas are some of the cheapest cars to build and transform into a monster.

And sadly, my wife doesn't want to move up to the lower 48 yet. I've been working on it for the past 3 years now, but she loves her job, life, etc.

[at3GG]

The closest place to me that I have found wrote me back. Their Emanage certified btw.

The said that "an orignal tune, with no base map would run $550-750( with Emanage or Emanage Ultimate). Because there is no plug and play for your yaris, we will have to build a custom harness etc. This will run basic shop labor costs of $95/ hour"

Anyone who knows.....about how long should it take them to fab up a harness? A day? A week? They should know what their doing so it shouldnt be that difficult correct? I know labor cost is high but thats a LITTLE extreme isnt it?

[Tamago]

The closest place to me that I have found wrote me back. Their Emanage certified btw.

The said that "an orignal tune, with no base map would run $550-750( with Emanage or Emanage Ultimate). Because there is no plug and play for your yaris, we will have to build a custom harness etc. This will run basic shop labor costs of $95/ hour"

Anyone who knows.....about how long should it take them to fab up a harness? A day? A week? They should know what their doing so it shouldnt be that difficult correct? I know labor cost is high but thats a LITTLE extreme isnt it?

it's not really a harness...

oh, and i was able to wire mine up in about 4 hours. plan on them telling you 10

they'll just tap in and bypass a few of the wires coming into the unit.

for the $$ i'd do the FIC over the ultimate.

[cali yaris]

no, that is a reasonable shop rate for custom fabricating a wiring harness.

You'd want to take you car there and have them estimate the number of hours needed. I can't guess at that. I know what my custom wiring cost -- wasn't cheap.

Since no one has tuned the Yaris as far as I know with an eManage, there is a risk of an extended stay while they work out problems -- and that may or may not be on the clock.

If someone else has done it, you can maybe get wiring schematics and a base map from them.

Tamago, four of us have failed with the FI-C. Doesn't mean it can't be done, but it hasn't been done successfully yet. AEM won't help, either.

[Tamago]

Tamago, four of us have failed with the FI-C. Doesn't mean it can't be done, but it hasn't been done successfully yet. AEM won't help, either.

if the FIC fails, the emanage will fail..

engine management is just grabbing signals (inputs) from your stock sensors then making changes and sending outputs to the ECU to trick it into giving more fuel or removing timing. at the same time it's grabbing outputs for spark and fuel and retarding (timing) and adding (fuel) as needed..

if the AEM unit failed it's because either the shop did not use the proper resistors in the wiring harness, or because the ECU is simply un-molestable (which i find hard to believe)

those of you with tuning issues should be looking to the 07+ tC tuners. they'll have the same electronic protocall as you (DBW, the "newer" MAF, etc) they've had issues using the FIC and many of those issues have been corrected using resistors

just going by what i know and have read on the scion forums.

Garm, what year is your tC and what are you using for management? Hydra?

[cali yaris]

2606, MoTeC M400 :thumbsup:

[Tamago]

2606, MoTeC M400 :thumbsup:

so the answer to the yaris people should be stand-alone :biggrin:

[at3GG]

These guys are tc "specialists" I would say actually. Check out their page its ptuning.com

I figured with all the issues with the FI-C I would try another route

[cali yaris]

oops 2006, not 2606 (that would be an interesting car). :redface:

standalone solves all the problems, and raises some new ones. But in terms of tuning the engine, you have total control, which I want.

[at3GG]

the shop I've been talking to said they have a tuning ceiling of $750, so they guarantee it wouldn't be more than that, no matter the time it took them. They also said it would probably take one full day to do the custom harness.

[cali yaris]

great, you've got your answers. What day is the appointment? :biggrin:

[at3GG]

haha the day my bank account supports it entirely. I found out quite recently that I am being deployed this coming summer, so unfortunately theres another road block. But it will allow me to save a lot more money, so hopefully I'll have most of my set up purchased waiting for me when i get back. :thumbup:
BTW cali how long did they mechanical aspect of your kit take to get put on...tuning aside ex manifold, piping oil lines etc.?

[at3GG]

i fear i may be in over my head......i may just have to wait for a complete GOOD kit..if that ever happens

:frown:

if so sorry for the "lead on" but hey i learned a bit!

[Russelt3hPirate]

pttuning is a good shop, they sure know their tC's

their TimeAttack tC driven by Spazgun is no joke.

[PETERPOOP]

don't give up!

[cali yaris]

TW Bcali how long did they mechanical aspect of your kit take to get put on...tuning aside ex manifold, piping oil lines etc.?

two days after I collected all the non-fab parts.

[Jerkratt]

watching this thread.. gathering info

[bearda]

These guys are tc "specialists" I would say actually. Check out their page its ptuning.com

Yeah, they've done some work on my Mazda. I've always been impressed with their work, and it seems like they run an altogether good shop.

[ZING]

hm..I'm going to have to wait for some plug-n-play kit, no tuning shops in the whole country.

[at3GG]

i havent given up! Just trying to find a closer tuner!

[Tamago]

i havent given up! Just trying to find a closer tuner!
do it yourself :) i'm no tuning wiz and i have my car running satisfactorily.. just read all you can and take it conservatively at first

[cali yaris]

tamago, you've proven to have quite a bit of performance knowledge = probably easier for you to do it yourself (and deal with whatever problems arise) than most, including me.

[at3GG]

+1 lol

[Tamago]

tamago, you've proven to have quite a bit of performance knowledge = probably easier for you to do it yourself (and deal with whatever problems arise) than most, including me.

but. but.. but...... i'd never done it before.. and i'm not THAT smart lol

[at3GG]

Ok found a MAYBE in Richmond...only about 1 hr 15 min away.. Its a maybe i suppose. Oh ...tuner btw

[at3GG]

for the ko3, assuming this is correct....
Compressor Specs :
1.75" Compressor Inlet .....from the manifold?
2.0 " Compressor Outlet ....to the IC?
2.5 " Exhaust Outlet ....to the downpipe?

[Carvin'07]

If you are considering small turbos, the 14 b (mentioned on the first page) is a good little unit. You can pick up tons of them for a song over at dsm.org. It would reach full boost (I had 19 psi) at roughly 3200 rpm (it was a 2.0L motor).

I used to have a 92 AWD Talon on the original 14b. Fastest time was 13.99 at the track with moderate duration cams (264 degrees), 550cc injectors, Walbro 190lph pump. On a FWD Yaris, which is about 1000lbs lighter, you could easily have a 12 second car if everything else runs correctly. :wink:

Good luck with your project!
Cheers
Carvin'

[2DtheDon]

good luck and keep us posted :D

[Jerkratt]

If you are considering small turbos, the 14 b (mentioned on the first page) is a good little unit. You can pick up tons of them for a song over at dsm.org. It would reach full boost (I had 19 psi) at roughly 3200 rpm (it was a 2.0L motor).

I used to have a 92 AWD Talon on the original 14b. Fastest time was 13.99 at the track with moderate duration cams (264 degrees), 550cc injectors, Walbro 190lph pump. On a FWD Yaris, which is about 1000lbs lighter, you could easily have a 12 second car if everything else runs correctly. :wink:

Good luck with your project!
Cheers
Carvin'

but wouldn't a spool at 3200... be to short.... Our VVT-i dont kick in till around 3000....right?

[firemachine69]

Unless your wife is EXTREMELY understanding of what a non-factory layer of complexity may do to her (i.e. leave her stranded on the side of the highway), I would absolutely AVOID a boost project - unless of course, she has her own vehicle. :wink:

[Jerkratt]

o my wifes going to be learning to drive stick as soon as the weather gets nicer... and shes going to be getting her own car thats auto... and most likly an xA or aveo....

[Tamago]

but wouldn't a spool at 3200... be to short.... Our VVT-i dont kick in till around 3000....right?

vvti doesn't "kick in"... the spool is continuously varying cam angle from idle to redline.

[Carvin'07]

vvti doesn't "kick in"... the spool is continuously varying cam angle from idle to redline.

What he said :biggrin: You are probably just thinking about the biggest 'seat of your pants' torque at that point.

I'm talking about a FULL 19 psi of boost at 3200 i.e. that motor would build 10-12 psi by 2000 rpm. That much more airflow added to our little cars will propel you pretty damn fast...