Canadian Liftback or US Sedan Guages in USDM Liftback?

[Ran Kizama]

Can it work? Are the proper plugs there? :confused:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/echo_hrs3/scan2.jpg
^ Pic belongs to Echo hrs

If not, what about the Sedan cluster?

http://www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2007/Toyota/100689155/20032834-T.jpg

[fnkngrv]

That is a good question...I love having the guage panel that is in my S.:thumbsup: If you can that would be awesome:w00t:

[ECHOKnight2000]

Not to be a downer, but I have a feeling it won't work. I know I saw other or similar threads like this...especially if you got the Canadian spec, the measurments are different km/miles? And I'm there would be other issues. Also the wiriing is different and I think its different even from Sedan to hatch but I'm just second guessing that one.

[Chaad32]

But if you take the 5 door one from canada and put it in a 3 door model It might work!!!

[Ran Kizama]

Also, if you look closely at the Canadian guages, you'll see that it reads in KHM and MPH.

[rstb88]

remember this is supposed to be a cheap international car. why would you waste labour on making diff types of wiring harnesses? I think this is a dealer question, damn.

[paultyler_82]

considering the tendancy of most car companies to keep the same general harness from market to market, I would say the harness and plug are probably mostly the same, the only thing to watch out for, as it happens sometimes, is slight pinout differences or blank pins on say the USDM model with no wires hooked up to them, that on the Canadian model have the Tach wires hooked up to them.

[johnnyfive]

well, good news for all :)

took some measurments and pics of my gauge cluster a few days ago, and have been meaning to post it up here, so that someone with a USDM LB can compaire :P

guess now is as good a time as any

pic of the gauges from my sedan, 2 plugs, the one on the right is for the fuel/odo/time, the one on the left is for the gauges/lighting, not sure of the pinout, but it is (iirc) a 40 pin connector, and i have 19 pins going into it, the top row of pins is full ecxept for 3 that are twords the right hand side, not including the last and the third from the last pins
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/johnallar/cluster.jpg

pic of the mounting positions, the total width of the mounting tabs is 15 3/8" and there are 2 holes, the top being a locator, and the bottom for a philips head screw, both holes are 1/4" from the end of the tabs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/johnallar/mounting.jpg

and the total width of the unit is also 15 3/8"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/johnallar/display.jpg


i do suspect that the pins for the tach, and the ilumination of the tach may not be present in the harness, but would guess that the rest of the wires would be there, can not be compleatly positive, and as for the missing wires, they should just need to be run like you were going to run it to an aftermarket tach.

well, now it is your guys turn, pull your dash, its real easy, and check fitment/your wire pins, and lets take the first step in actually seeing if they might work ;)

pulling the dash to get to the cluster is super easy, and there are even nice little buttons on all of the wireplugs so that they are so simple to pull the conectors :) (used to working on old cars...wreastling with the plugs ><)

if someone with a liftback pulls theres, and can tell me acuretly what wires you have going into the harness, i can check out the extra whires i have, and then we can see what would need to be wired up :)

[Ran Kizama]

johnnyfive, you kick major @ss. I'll see if I can't pull my liftback gauges this weekend. :smile:

[johnnyfive]

you can, just start with the trim below the climate controle, and then the 2 side trim piece, then just pop out the trim around the guages. like i said, its super easy, and the trim just pops off

[Chris07LB]

Johnny, I may just pop mine later to measure.. id like this cluster!

[johnnyfive]

driving home from work today, and i realized i have an automatic...so not sure what the manulas have where it displays my P,R,N,D,3,2,1 but would imagin it is just a slightly different pinout pattern, and should be easyenough to work around

[Kr0n1k]

I guess cars have changed if they don't interchange. My AE92 Corolla didn't have a tach, I just went to the local pick-and-pull and yanked a cluster out of one that did have the tach, plugged it in, and away I went. Hopefully things are still that simple.

[Jem_hadar]

All Canadian Hatches have the Tach...

The Amber Gauges come standard on both the 3 and 5 Door RS model...

The 3 Door CE and the 5 Door LE has this set:

http://www.toyota.ca/NWS/media/yarishb/photos/i_pho2.jpg

Cheers


Hehe, I like the White gauges of the non-RS models better! :biggrin: Prettier on the eyes, plus white is just so bright and nice :tongue:

[JustAnotherAsian]

Johnny, I may just pop mine later to measure...
:laughabove: sorry. i left my mind in the gutter.

i think the white-lit CDM non-rs gauges look better- and they would probably match (if at all) the rest of the interior lighting of the USDM spec interiors better than the orange-lit RS gauges.

[Chris07LB]

:laughabove: sorry. i left my mind in the gutter.


LMAO! :laugh: Well once the kid goes down to sleep tonight.... the wife may..... just..... :evil:

[Black Yaris]

If anyone gets a chance take a look at the UKDM cluster it is all digital and you can switch from MPH to KPH with the touch of a button, for those of us who do international driving in US and Canada... I have someone in the UK willing to supply me with one, I am just wating to hear back on a price for the cluster and shipping.

[Kitt]

Guys i think the miles runned move with the cluster... http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2008&highlight=tach

[paultyler_82]

Guys i think the miles runned move with the cluster... http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2008&highlight=tach

They do, but as tiksman proved (as noted in that thread) that can be easily remedied by swapping out the EEPROM that stores the milage info.

[Kitt]

oops, sorry didn't read enough lol

[tonywenzel]

Can anyone confirm if the sedan cluster works in the LB?

[paultyler_82]

I don't beleive it will, the mounting tabs are in different positions, and the connector is different.

[Ran Kizama]

I don't beleive it will, the mounting tabs are in different positions, and the connector is different.I would have expected there to be a different connector there or maybe a seperate one for the tach. There must be a way to swap clusters or add a tach to the USDM Liftback without going to some obnoxious monster tach.

[paultyler_82]

I would have expected there to be a different connector there or maybe a seperate one for the tach. There must be a way to swap clusters or add a tach to the USDM Liftback without going to some obnoxious monster tach.

There may be, if all the technical details of swapping the Canadian Cluster in can be overcome. It fits, plugs up, and functions properly... it's just that You'll of course see Km/H and the Odometer will show Kilometers, not miles.

[Ran Kizama]

There may be, if all the technical details of swapping the Canadian Cluster in can be overcome. It fits, plugs up, and functions properly... it's just that You'll of course see Km/H and the Odometer will show Kilometers, not miles.That's fine for me. If you look on the Canadian speedo, it also reads in MPH under the Km/H.

[funkstrong]

Has anybody tried to make their own cluster using other guages? It would look cool if you set them in a piece of carbon fiber and mounted it in the stock location. I was thinking about it but cost and my lack of knowledge on how exactly they work is stopping me.

[paultyler_82]

Has anybody tried to make their own cluster using other guages? It would look cool if you set them in a piece of carbon fiber and mounted it in the stock location. I was thinking about it but cost and my lack of knowledge on how exactly they work is stopping me.

That too is a possibility, you just have to figure out what pins do what.

[Violin]

If anyone gets a chance take a look at the UKDM cluster it is all digital and you can switch from MPH to KPH with the touch of a button, for those of us who do international driving in US and Canada... I have someone in the UK willing to supply me with one, I am just wating to hear back on a price for the cluster and shipping.


Did you get pricing yet?

Is that more aqua colored? It's hard to tell.

From someone at a UK Yaris board:
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m110/Printingcentre/Yaris/100_1000.jpg

[grimez]

lol, so its just one big LCD instead of the speedometer. I still really like it, i hope we can get word on these buggers.

[Violin]

Actually I just learned that that's a photo of the old model Yaris. The new one is similar - I'm trying to get someone there to snap a photo for us.

[grimez]

God i hope its just a direct swap, that would make life so much easier.

[Violin]

This is a photo snagged off the Toyota UK site:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1103/rjenkie/sdeedo2.jpg

[Violin]

According to the 'blokes' on that UK site, the British speedometer is meant to be viewed from the right. The left side passenger can't read it so it won't work in our cars. They suggested other European versions of the same cluster that are meant to be viewed from the left like the Netherlands.

[grimez]

Well lets find us someone from the Netherlands to help us out.

[titan0111]

i came across this site (http://www.mrwhizard.com/index.cfm) when searching for a Canadian Cluster

[grimez]

Is there any other info in this area... I'm still very interested.

[Treyz]

That's fine for me. If you look on the Canadian speedo, it also reads in MPH under the Km/H.
Its all good, I'm used to it as well. Have a JDM cluster in the S13.

[dansides]

www.autometer.com found these gauges that have peak an warn functions! was thinking about installing a 3 1\8 in tach in center of left glove box an then put 1 2 1\16 gauge on ea side maybe install into existing box door or remove door an build a unit to mount in space. any one done this may also install scan gauge in same area need input :burnrubber: :burnrubber: