Nology HotWires

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

Could anyone enlighten me?

http://www.nology.com/hot.html

I'm also wondering if the xA/xB will fit our cars. I'm sure it will, right?
It's 100% smog legal.. so looks like something I'll be doing sometime soon!

Where are you John? I want to know what you think about your setup!

[bzinn 1]

Form looking at a few xB's that have them it looks exactly the same in every aspect as our motor short of the no throttle cable.So I would say there should not be any other things to et in the way of them fitting and working properly.

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

Yeah, I figured it would fit. Jkuchta has them on his car, but I just want to make sure that it's the xA/xB ones that he is using.

I wonder what the gains are on this thing. They claim more horsepower, that's 100% smog legal. I won't take their word for it, but what do you guys think about that?

Don't go off on me saying that, "no shit, it's their product and they're trying to sell it."

I just want to know how "beefing up" your spark plug wires would result in more horsepower.

[tk-421]

I've heard wonders about these wires... Interested in this topic as well.

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

So far, I've read nothing but posts from skeptics. If anyone has more info, please post what you think about these.

[YarisSedan]

I dont reall see the point of making the spark travel further. Wouldnt it make the spark weaker. Since it has a longer lenght. Instead of directly from the coil to the plug. Now you have to go from the coil down the lenght of wire then to the plug. To me seems like a waste of money. And looks tacky

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

Longer wires would mean the electricity would have to travel much further to its destination and lose power. But how could they claim that it creates a spark that's 300 times more hotter with longer wires?? Okay, now I'm starting to lose interest in these.

[cali yaris]

These don't work. The coils belong in the head, where they were designed to go, not out in the engine bay where there is more interference. It looks good, but when I took my tC to the track with those hotwires on there, the guys who really knew their stuff laughed at my "bling" set up.

Maybe someone can show pics of a bona fide race car using this arrangement.

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

Oh man, thanks Garm. I would have fell tragedy to this lol.

[turboyaris]

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5030&highlight=nology+hotwires

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5124&highlight=nology+hotwires

[severous01]

as a mechanic i'll tell u this: it only takes soo much spark to ignite fuel...and it's about a .030 gap and about 40k volts...unless ur high compression n u run a .040 gap and u need 60kV. as long as ur gettin voltage to the plug...n ur plugs are good ur not doin anything.

now.....a little history on plug wires. when they first came out they were solid copper. the EMF (magnetic field) coming off the wires alone would cause radio interference for about 25 yards. now imagine about 500 cars on the road all lined up what would happen....so they figured out that adding resistance in the line suppresses EMF.

60yrs later they figure out that adding a shield inside the jacket to the wire will not only help emf problems....but will protect the insulation from heat as well....so u get a 2 for 1 deal. so now u got low resistance wires again...yay.

BUT... it still only takes 30kv to pop a spark in low compression engines and it still only going to burn so hot...unless u got other problems and changing to new plugs will help any way...so if i were u i'd buy some NGK plugs and wires and about the 50k mark and you'll need them any way...save some money over stock...and you'll have ur low resistance wires.

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

So are you saying that NGK spark plugs would actually benefit in making more hp?

[turboyaris]

first you'd have to see if the spark plugs in your engine are already ngk's. some people said theirs came with NGK mine came with denso iridiums. When it comes to spark plugs its best to stick with what the manufacturer recommends esp if they recommend using iridiums. They have already done the homework of the correct size and tempertaure range for your application. If you go higher compression or forced induction thats when you want to change the heat range. As for the coils, they don't have racing applications for nology hotwires, but they also wouldn't use stock toyota yaris coils either. I feel the hotwires are a slight upgrade from stock, probably not noticable on a stock engine but maybe a slight gain. You need a more powerful spark when dealing with higher cylinder pressures which is the same reason they have piggyback ignition controllers. A true race setup and similar to Cali Yaris's setup would use aftermarket coils, but then you would need a stand alone to allow for the different coil parameters, i.e. dwell time, spark voltage, primary and secondary impedence and inductance, all those parameters affect the coils performance

[staypuft]

didnt someone do this mod and had to relocate everything, and it didnt really do anything

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

A stand alone just to compensate for the difference in coil parameters.. jeez, didn't know it would have to get that complicated. I've lost interest completely now.

[bzinn 1]

the only real gain you may get is longer coil life and a prettier engine bay.the coils area a bit hotter but once you transfer it through the wire it will lose some of the power and bring it down to about the same level.

Heat and coils make their life shorter,but not work less efficiantly,the Nology takes the coil away from the heat but really adds nothing to the system.....

In affect it is a pretty toy that is for car shows....our motors burn very effeciantly so no need for a hotter coil......now hotrods differant story.

[mikenacarato]

okada projects ftw

[TOUGEghost]

Our cars already have a coil-on-plug ignition setup, with one of it's advantages being no plug wires. Why would you want to add them?

[turboyaris]

the theory behind the hot wires performance is that they are not just a spark plug wire. You can theoretically hook a normal spark plug wire to the ignition coils if you really wanted but I would agree that this would be a complete waste of time. The hotwires have a capacitor built into wire thats where they claim to have a benefit.

Tehxfallen. Don't lose complete interest. Some manufacturer make upgraded replacement coils for cars, that require no aftermarket stand alone. Spitfire makes them for a lot of nissan applications, and there is another company whose name escapes me. Not all coils are created equal, which is why you need a standalone if you are going to drastically change the characteristics of the coil. Otherwise, your ecu would control the different ignition coil sporadically.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/ignition_coil_tech/index.html
This is a helpful article, althought it is about v-8s with a distributor and all, it begins to explain the ignition system in a little more detail, so you can start to comprehend what it is that you need to consider.

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

Our cars already have a coil-on-plug ignition setup, with one of it's advantages being no plug wires. Why would you want to add them?

I had no idea, not very savvy with mechanical components :iono Just trying to learn :thumbup:

the theory behind the hot wires performance is that they are not just a spark plug wire. You can theoretically hook a normal spark plug wire to the ignition coils if you really wanted but I would agree that this would be a complete waste of time. The hotwires have a capacitor built into wire thats where they claim to have a benefit.

Tehxfallen. Don't lose complete interest. Some manufacturer make upgraded replacement coils for cars, that require no aftermarket stand alone. Spitfire makes them for a lot of nissan applications, and there is another company whose name escapes me. Not all coils are created equal, which is why you need a standalone if you are going to drastically change the characteristics of the coil. Otherwise, your ecu would control the different ignition coil sporadically.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/ignition_coil_tech/index.html
This is a helpful article, althought it is about v-8s with a distributor and all, it begins to explain the ignition system in a little more detail, so you can start to comprehend what it is that you need to consider.

Thank you turboyaris, I'll get to reading!

[jkuchta]

I have the hotwires, and other than looking cool, and maybe starting just a hair quicker vs. no plug wires, they don't really add a whole lot to performance.

[turboyaris]

yea the only time i really noticed a difference was higher rpm like 5k+ accelerating faster, and that was with the turbo. which makes sense, usually ignition upgrades benefit the higher rpm range esp. with FI

[dngz]

have these too. no noticable gains. was just happy my car started after i installed it myself lol