To Sport or Not to Sport

[S1L3N7 D3A7H]

Will the added flares, skirts, and rear wing effect MPG in any significant way?

[m911gt]

Will the added flares, skirts, and rear wing effect MPG in any significant way?

totally depends on what you are talking about. if you add weight but reduce your drag coefficient, you might break even. most likely you will lose mpgs; how much depends on how much added weight.

[SilverGlow]

Save your money. Leave those types of upgrades to the 8 year old boys that own and drive Yarii. Times are tough right now. The country is in trouble. The economy will be in the sheets for years. Save your money and be wise.

[smacky]

I don't think you're going to see a measurable FE improvement. Plus, the only thing that says, "I'm compensating for something" louder than a big truck or SUV is a small car with a spoiler, skirts, muffler and all that nonsense.

[SailDesign]

Save your money. Leave those types of upgrades to the 8 year old boys that own and drive Yarii. Times are tough right now. The country is in trouble. The economy will be in the sheets for years. Save your money and be wise.

Well, I'm not 8 years old, but I'm close - 53. And I like cars with "all the extras", but... Everything that creates downforce (or pretends to) like skirts, spoilers, dams, etc, is creating a force beyond what the car creates without them. And the energy to create that force comes from... you guessed it - the gas! So your fuel efficincy will decrease. More gas used.
Whether you dress your car is your call, though.

[jambo101]

Will the added flares, skirts, and rear wing effect MPG in any significant way?
Why would you want to put all that Tupperware on your car to get that fast and furious look then worry that it might decrease the mpg figure by a small margin,why would you care?

[KCALB SIRAY]

Save your money. Leave those types of upgrades to the 8 year old boys that own and drive Yarii. Times are tough right now. The country is in trouble. The economy will be in the sheets for years. Save your money and be wise.

I do not agree. If you have the money, spend it and support the economy if it doesn't put you in the hole. As everyone has said, the weight and drag created due to the style/type you choose will be the deciding factor on MPG. Have fun with it, build it like you want. It's your hobby, your car.:thumbsup:

[ChinoCharles]

I was about to say, I'm 23. :laugh:

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I added a front grill, an OEM spoiler, and VG fins on my sedan, and have not seen a FE decrease. In fact, the VG fins increased my mpg by like .xx mpg. LMAO. It's looks cool nonetheless.

[SilverGlow]

I do not agree. If you have the money, spend it and support the economy if it doesn't put you in the hole. As everyone has said, the weight and drag created due to the style/type you choose will be the deciding factor on MPG. Have fun with it, build it like you want. It's your hobby, your car.:thumbsup:

Better to grow up. Put the money to better use like education. Learn a skill or trade that will allow you to make at least $100,000 per year.

Otherwise, you live in a state of mediocrity....just another idiot that blew his wad on tupperware to get the "fast & furious" look.

Grow. Up. Son.

The Yaris is a great car, but it's mission is not to get you laid, or make you look like Tom Cruise. It's mission is to save you $$, keep you safe, and be reliable.

[SIPNGAS]

Better to grow up. Put the money to better use like education. Learn a skill or trade that will allow you to make at least $100,000 per year.

Otherwise, you live in a state of mediocrity....just another idiot that blew his wad on tupperware to get the "fast & furious" look.

Grow. Up. Son.

The Yaris is a great car, but it's mission is not to get you laid, or make you look like Tom Cruise. It's mission is to save you $$, keep you safe, and be reliable.

Hmm...not to get "off topic" but you already did. That might the the "mission" of your Yaris, but to each his own, really. Why be so judgemental in EVERY FLIPPING post that comes up? Really, you're sounding a bit preachy and pretty soon, folks just stop listening. You might be making $100,000 dollars today, but tomorrow could be a LOT different. If he wants to enjoy his car HIS way, let him. And take your own advice Grow. Up. Son.

[SilverGlow]

Hmm...not to get "off topic" but you already did. That might the the "mission" of your Yaris, but to each his own, really. Why be so judgemental in EVERY FLIPPING post that comes up? Really, you're sounding a bit preachy and pretty soon, folks just stop listening. You might be making $100,000 dollars today, but tomorrow could be a LOT different. If he wants to enjoy his car HIS way, let him. And take your own advice Grow. Up. Son.

Hey young lady, he can do what he wants with his money, Yaris, you name it.

And yes, tomorrow I can lose my job, and your stating that fact only strenghthen's what I wrote before. In othe words, open your eyes and see that the economy is in the toilet, jobs are being lost every second of the day.

You write "...If he wants to enjoy his car let him...". Now how am I preventing him or anyone from "enjoying their car"?

The more immature one is, the more "preachy" people like me sound. But then I guess Dr. Phil, Dr. Laura, and Suzy Orman all sound "preachy" to you too.

Grow. Up. Little. Girl.

Now go boohoo to the moderator, thn go straight to your room and no dinner!!!

[firemachine69]

Well, it depends if you start acting like a douchebag with your "mods".

(Ricer accessories.)


If you keep the douchebaggerie to a minimum, nope, I doubt an extra fourty pounds of junk will make a significant dent in your gas mileage...

[SilverBack]

If you're absolutely sure you have the spare $$$ on hand to do all these mods, then I say go nuts and have fun. If you just got enough money to survive on, then you'd be better off postponing it until you can save-up enough IMO.

Garm should be dropping-by here sometime to offer you a killer deal, assuming his YW radar is on right now:laugh:

[eTiMaGo]

Well it's true, in the grand scheme of things, buying cars and car accessories is not a wise investment at all, even in 100 years I don't think a Yaris would be considered collectible (unless someone here ends up President of the US). And yes, in this current economy, a penny saved really is a penny earned.

But on the other hand, the modern world depends so much on trade, people buying and selling things and turning a profit. You can call it a vicious cycle, you can complain about it all day but in the end, money does make the world go round. I'm no economic expert, but it's pretty obvious, look what is happening now, people can't afford to spend and as a result so many industries and businesses are affected, which in turn means more layoffs.

So I guess it's a real dilemma for an individual, do you save money to support yourself or do you spend it to support your economy? It will pay to be smart about this.

But back on the original topic, will OEM lip kits have a discernible advantage on fuel economy? Mostly likely not. And if it did, and you want to be detailed about this, it will probably take decades for the money you saved on fuel to cover the extra you spent on the stuff. So it is really impossible to validate the expense this way :wink:
Although, take a look at what some FE-minded folks are doing to their cars... Some create custom bodykits designed to greatly reduce the car's drag, some put fairings over the rear wheels to reduce drag once again, etc. It might not be "cool" modifications but they do have an effect :smile:

On the other hand, as other members mentioned, if you make modification to make yourself happy, there is some value in that, if only sentimental (I should know :biggrin:). Just don't do it because you want to impress others, do it as a way to express yourself, to be proud of your creation, I suppose. Though I think those who don't have the modding "bug" will never really understand it :smile:

Now, let's try to keep the rest of this conversation calm and civil :smile:

[mikenacarato]

i really dont see adding these (assuming you refer to the factory sport package parts) decreasing or increasing fuel mileage to the point that you will notice much of anything. my opinion...if you want the kit for fuel mileage, its probably not going to give you a return on your investment...if you want it for looks and you like the looks (and i do like the sport kit) then go for it. its all about what you want :)

and now as far as silverglow...some people just need to be listeners and not talkers...douchebag.

[daf62757]

Hmm...not to get "off topic" but you already did. That might the the "mission" of your Yaris, but to each his own, really. Why be so judgemental in EVERY FLIPPING post that comes up? Really, you're sounding a bit preachy and pretty soon, folks just stop listening. You might be making $100,000 dollars today, but tomorrow could be a LOT different. If he wants to enjoy his car HIS way, let him. And take your own advice Grow. Up. Son.

I agree with the enjoy part. At 51, I have learned life is short. If you want to put all that stuff on, enjoy it! You are stimulating the economy...but more importantly,l you are stimulating your life!

[daf62757]

i really dont see adding these (assuming you refer to the factory sport package parts) decreasing or increasing fuel mileage to the point that you will notice much of anything. my opinion...if you want the kit for fuel mileage, its probably not going to give you a return on your investment...if you want it for looks and you like the looks (and i do like the sport kit) then go for it. its all about what you want :)

and now as far as silverglow...some people just need to be listeners and not talkers...douchebag.


Come on now....he has a right to his opinion. Show some love!

[daf62757]

get of your high horse, stop listening to talk radio. and be quiet if your post has nothing to do with the original post. he asked about hardware addons hurting MPG and not your financial advice.

Hey ....don't dis talk radio!

[MadMax]

Big Dave nailed it, it must be the wisdom of his years! :laugh: (Just kidding, I am only five years behind ya!)

Anyhow, this thread has gotten way out of hand. The OP simply asked if adding "flair" to his Yaris would decrease the mileage, I don't think he was asking for fashion tips! I was hoping to add some to mine, but with tax season upon us I decided it would have to wait. But I still am looking to add a rear spoiler/wing to my 08 BSP LB. A little flair is what sets each one of us apart.

But since I come from the Jeep community, mods are very commonplace and it is more rarer to see a stock rig than one that has been "personalized." Over there it is considered more accepted to change your Jeep, stock rigs are usually driven by folks who don't understand the whole 'waving' thing that Jeep owners do. But it is also understood that not everything is everybody's cup of tea, and different strokes for different folks. I can't think of any more analogies but I think you understand where I am coming from...

Cheers! M2

[SilverGlow]

i really dont see adding these (assuming you refer to the factory sport package parts) decreasing or increasing fuel mileage to the point that you will notice much of anything. my opinion...if you want the kit for fuel mileage, its probably not going to give you a return on your investment...if you want it for looks and you like the looks (and i do like the sport kit) then go for it. its all about what you want :)

and now as far as silverglow...some people just need to be listeners and not talkers...douchebag.

Perhaps you need to attend college. Travel the world too. Go to Europe. Backpack. Read some books. Volunteer to help the unfortunate. Enrich your life by being well read, well traveled, well educated.

Then you too will know the difference between being wise and being mediocre. I know, I used several large words...thats why there's dictionary.com.

[daf62757]

Perhaps you need to attend college. Travel the world too. Go to Europe. Backpack. Read some books. Volunteer to help the unfortunate. Enrich your life by being well read, well traveled, well educated.

Then you too will know the difference between being wise and being mediocre. I know, I used several large words...thats why there's dictionary.com.

Dude...you really need to chill!

[mikenacarato]

i decided to retract my statement. i wont lower myself to silverglow's standards.

[33OH]

Life's too short.

If your hobby is cars, like mine is, then enjoy it. Do what you want to the Yaris. It's your car, your money, your mind, and your life. Don't let someone who thinks they are better than everyone else ruin your fun.

SilverGlow, I'm really glad that you make $100,000 per hour, graduated first in your class at Harvard, and have traveled the entire world. It still doesn't mean you get to dictate other people's lives.

[SMALLNUMBERS]

Enrich your life = being a wise ass on the internet? :bs:

Anyways, i don't think those add-ons are gonna hurt your MPG too much.

Just make sure the wing is ENORMOUS. :biggrin::tongue:

[blktiger60]

Hey young lady, he can do what he wants with his money, Yaris, you name it.

And yes, tomorrow I can lose my job, and your stating that fact only strenghthen's what I wrote before. In othe words, open your eyes and see that the economy is in the toilet, jobs are being lost every second of the day.

You write "...If he wants to enjoy his car let him...". Now how am I preventing him or anyone from "enjoying their car"?

The more immature one is, the more "preachy" people like me sound. But then I guess Dr. Phil, Dr. Laura, and Suzy Orman all sound "preachy" to you too.

Grow. Up. Little. Girl.

Now go boohoo to the moderator, thn go straight to your room and no dinner!!!


Mediocrity, . .
That 100k/yr job is really making you happy isn't it?
Perhaps someday you'll understand how to percieve the world and create happiness in your own life but, that day isn't today.


Perhaps you need to attend college. Travel the world too. Go to Europe. Backpack. Read some books. Volunteer to help the unfortunate. Enrich your life by being well read, well traveled, well educated.

Then you too will know the difference between being wise and being mediocre. I know, I used several large words...thats why there's dictionary.com.

The things you listed haven't helped your happiness co-efficient, Mr. cynical.
I'm sure you haven't noticed yet, happiness is not dependant on comparing your self to others, in fact, it's quite counterproductive.
I don't need to go "backpacking in europe" to create happiness for myself.

I bought my Yaris with the S trim package along with the power package. I am extremely satisfied with my purchase and continue - a year later - to thoroughly enjoy my car.

[1NZYaris1]

:biggrin: putting a body kit on will only effect your mpg a little, it's the driveing style you adapt once it is on
the will probably hurt more, :laugh: :burnrubber:
if you can afford to do , love the look , and the possable attention - both good and bad
i say go for it , live for today ,as life could end tommorrow :thumbup:
:respekt:

[brody9981]

Usually just a "lurker" but just HAD to chime in for this one! Fellow mediocre "S" driver here.....to the OP, I have noticed NO MPG gain or loss with my stock S setup. I didn't expect too. BUT I can say, 12k miles after my purchase, that I STILL absolutely love my YARIS! I have no regrets on my S......and if that makes me "mediocre" or have a "mediocre" life, so be it! I'm enjoying the hell outta life in my YARIS! :wink:

[anonymous user]

Although it's hard to see what a person is like behind their computer profile,
I have got to say that I love Y.W. for all the reasons. There are rich, poor, young old, dumb, intelligent, etc... types of people who register and post here.
Many of my other car forums are either car snobs, and are young punks or older tech mechanic/ engineer-type people. Always caught up in forced induction.

Although you may disagree with Silverglow, and his thread-jacking may be unwanted, he brings a refreshing angle to this forum. Just wanted to add my 2 cents.

And i really think for all the car websites i frequent, Y.W. members do some interesting mods to their vehicles, and have some really interesting personalities here!