Does +43mm rub?

[Split]

I'm about to buy some wheels for the yaris.
16x7 +43mm offset.
I know for a fact that +42mm rubs, and that +45mm does not rub. Do you think +43mm would rub? its only a millimeter more than the +42mm, but it might be just that millimeter that makes the difference?
Don't ask me if the car is lowered or not, because that doesn't make a difference.. having a full car with passengers and stuff in the trunk is the same as lowering, or when you go over a bump or dip hard-enough the suspension will travel just as low.

[Thirty-Nine]

Your problem is most likely because you're running a 205mm-wide tire. Try running a 195/50/16 tire instead with the +43 and you should be OK.

I assume it was rubbing in the front?

[Yaristwn]

I'm about to buy some wheels for the yaris.
16x7 +43mm offset.
I know for a fact that +42mm rubs, and that +45mm does not rub. Do you think +43mm would rub? its only a millimeter more than the +42mm, but it might be just that millimeter that makes the difference?
Don't ask me if the car is lowered or not, because that doesn't make a difference.. having a full car with passengers and stuff in the trunk is the same as lowering, or when you go over a bump or dip hard-enough the suspension will travel just as low.

Hi!
I am using a set of 16x7J, ET40 alloys with stock 195/50/16. No rubbing for your reference...

[Tamago]

how many of these threads does yarisworld need?

[Doc Zaius]

I'm +42, 205mm tire, lowered on TRD, and no rubbing.

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

+42 ON 205/55/15 with teins and i rubbed when making u turns or cutting wheel hard....

[kimona]

16x7, ET42, 205/50/16 will not rub on stock suspension... front or rear.

[Russelt3hPirate]

i run a 15x7 +25mm in the rear and i don't rub with a 205/55/15.

[Russelt3hPirate]

Are you lowered?

[Split]

16x7, ET42, 205/50/16 will not rub on stock suspension... front or rear.

suspension has nothing to do with it. it just means the factory springs/shocks have to be compressed an additional 1" before rubbing occurs. if you bottom out aftermarket suspension or factory suspension, you end up at the same height.

[Split]

i'm looking at these wheels now, since they are only 15lbs and come in 16x7:
http://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/gramlights/swap/gl57_maximum_ltgrey_ci3_l.jpg
i was trying to find rota subzero's in full royal gunmetal but no-one seems to carry them, and its apparently 6-7months to special order direct from rota.

[Russelt3hPirate]

suspension has nothing to do with it. it just means the factory springs/shocks have to be compressed an additional 1" before rubbing occurs. if you bottom out aftermarket suspension or factory suspension, you end up at the same height.

strange. when I changed suspensions I stopped rubbing.

but you're right suspension has nothing to do with wheel fitment.

if you're lowered on aftermarket springs there is a chance you'll rub constantly (FYI, that's bad).

where if you were stock you'd only rub under heavy load.

that's the reason we ask.

some people are ok with little rubbage after serious dips.

Rub constantly = Bad
Rubbing only a little at certain times = ok for some people
not rubbing ever = good.

to determine such things knowing your suspension setup is a factor. :)

and a car on DF210s with a full hatch is very low. :lol:

[Russelt3hPirate]

i'm looking at these wheels now, since they are only 15lbs and come in 16x7:
http://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/gramlights/swap/gl57_maximum_ltgrey_ci3_l.jpg
i was trying to find rota subzero's in full royal gunmetal but no-one seems to carry them, and its apparently 6-7months to special order direct from rota.

the 57Maximums are great wheels, I had a set on my STi.

do it post pictures and tell us how you're rub free.

oh and if you do start rubbing you can always add some camber, the yaris likes a little camber :)

[Russelt3hPirate]

Also, I rubbed pretty badly with my setup originally but that was b/c my toe was sooo fucked up from the suspension install that it caused rubbing.

once the toe was fixed I had no more rubbing up front. :)

[ddongbap]

Not all tires are created equally.

[Split]

^ yea that's true too. i was planning on doing a 205 so that's why its important that I run a +45mm offset. Are there any wheels with a +48mm offset? That's closer to stock.. stock is +52mm IIRC. Seems like the higher of the offset the better, for almost any car. I know with my Mazda3 I ran a +50mm offset to fit 225/40R18's. On my lexus, if i run +50 i can get 245's in the front, and with a +53mm in the rear I can run 275's.

I dont understand why aftermarket wheels always have such low offsets? These wheels are for my girlfriends car, so in the end the style decision is up to her. I like the Gram Lights, but I think she wants Rota SubZero's in a Full Royal Polished finish. (i'll at least get full royal gunmetal, so its not super bright bling bling)

[Russelt3hPirate]

you could get her the original Racing Heart wheels too they come in a nice offset for 16"

the key is the "correct" offset for the given vehicles usage, suspension, alignment, and tire choice.

"higher" isn't always better for the offset especially when you're upgrading suspension as alot of coilovers are larger then the stock struts which can cause rubbing issue on higher offset wheels.

why do you want a 205?

[Split]

i dunno.. i guess 195 would be okay. Just 195 seems so small ?

[Thirty-Nine]

FYI, I believe stock offset is +45 (at least on the 15" steel wheels).

For everyday driving, you'd probably be hard pressed to notice the difference between a 195 and 205 tire. If you're concerned about the rubbing, go with the 195.

[eii]

I myself am running 17x7 42mm wheels with 205/40 tires with no rubbing when I've bottomed out or doing full u-turns. I've read a lot of post here with users claiming to have no rubbing with 42mm offset wheels. Even people running bigger tire sizes then the one you're considering. Some post mention rubbing, but most of them dont have issues from what I've read.

[Split]

^ i just dont know what to believe anymore =/

[cali yaris]

The tread on an A048 195 tire puts more rubber to the ground than my BF Goodrich 205's in the same height series. Look at the shape of the sidewall -- definitely differences to be found between brands.

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

besides the 15's i also rub with my 215/35/18's. its not an issue with me cause i chose to live with it but i hear it on harsh bumps and when i cut wheel too hard left or right.....

[Tamago]

I dont understand why aftermarket wheels always have such low offsets?

this made me lol because i'm sitting here thinking "why do aftermarket wheels have such HIGH offsets?"

[kimona]

The fact is that 205mm tyres, for example, actually differ in width by brand and model; all 205mm tyres are not created equal.

Wheel offsets are not always entirely accurate, as well.

Plus, the car itself is built within acceptable design tolerances, so not only does each car differ, but the same car can differ from right side to left side.

EDIT: These variables along with the fact that the Yaris is already pretty tight when it comes to proper wheel/tyre fitment... and you've got a rather fussy little car.

[Tamago]

. and you've got a rather fussy little car.

i think it's just the fussy little owners ;)

[Benggolf2]

Am running on 17x7 +40 wheels with 205/40R-17 tires. Car is lowered with Eibach Pro-Kit springs. Also installed a 10mm H&R spacer on the rear wheels. Absolutely no rubbing issues.

You shouldn't have any rubbing issues with 195/50x16 tires on +43 offset;otherwise get the +45 offset if you want to run on 205s to be on the safe side.

[SailDesign]

i think it's just the fussy little owners ;)

Pot - meet Kettle... :biggrin:

[cali yaris]

^ ha, beat me to it!

[Tamago]

Pot - meet Kettle... :biggrin:

how am i fussy.. i run many different offsets /wheels/tires and don't throw a fit if i get a little rub once in awhile ;)

[Russelt3hPirate]

The tread on an A048 195 tire puts more rubber to the ground than my BF Goodrich 205's in the same height series. Look at the shape of the sidewall -- definitely differences to be found between brands.

although if comparing similar types of tires you can have a good gauge.

A048s vs R888s would be a good comparison.

RE760Sports vs BFG KDW2s

etc.

looking into measured section and tread width on a given wheel width tells a lot more then the sidewall #s.

a little article on the topic.

http://t3hclap.com/archives/43

just to show the differences. And no you can't run that size tire on a yaris.

[eii]

The tread on an A048 195 tire puts more rubber to the ground than my BF Goodrich 205's in the same height series. Look at the shape of the sidewall -- definitely differences to be found between brands.

The fact is that 205mm tyres, for example, actually differ in width by brand and model; all 205mm tyres are not created equal.

I noticed this when compairing my falken ziex 912s to other pictures of tires that were the same size. My 912s are not as wide and I suppose that helps prevent rubbing.

[Split]

looks like we'll be running rota circuit-10's, 16x7, +et45mm. I really want 205 width tires, because any narrower just looks so narrow! Looks like BBS has some good high offset wheels, but they're so damn expensive. I have some 18x7.5 BBS wheels on my IS300, and they're +50mm offset. Definitely not rubbing with those! I wish they were wider though. I could have easily fit a 8" in the front, and a 9" in the back with that offset. I'm running 225 front and back, but i could have done 235front, 245rear =/