Anyone running Royal Purple?

[firebird1999us]

I've always had it in my Mustang and am considering using it in the Yaris too...right now the car only has 1000 miles on it with the factory oil. Any suggestions on when to change to synthetic?

[saspy]

did my switch on my first service 5000 km's with rp

[firebird1999us]

did my switch on my first service 5000 km's with rp

Did you do it yourself or have the dealer/oil change place do it?

I'm considering doing it myself because oil change places tend to be a real hassle:iono:

[DFA]

Did you do it yourself or have the dealer/oil change place do it?

I'm considering doing it myself because oil change places tend to be a real hassle:iono:

Most oil change places only care about getting the job done as quick as possible, so they don't leave your car draining oil for too long.

I'd suggest doing it yourself, and leaving the care about an hour to drain the old oil, so you get as much of it out before putting in the new one.

[firebird1999us]

Most oil change places only care about getting the job done as quick as possible, so they don't leave your car draining oil for too long.

I'd suggest doing it yourself, and leaving the care about an hour to drain the old oil, so you get as much of it out before putting in the new one.

I've only ever changed the oil in my riding lawn tractor before...but I wouldn't imagine it's much different? Drain the oil, remove and replace the filter, add oil until it's full to the mark on the dipstick...did I miss anything?

[DFA]

That's about it. Just be really careful not to overfill, and to store the oil somewhere to keep it from hurting the planet.

I'm almost sure there's an oil chance DIY guide somewhere in here, not sure if it was before the hack tho..

[Split]

Royal Purple is great, but AMSoil is better. Plus AMSoil comes in 0w20, whereas Royal Purple only comes in 5w20. That said though, my dad runs Royal Purple 0w40 in his 996TT-S and it seems to perform better than when he was running Mobil1 0w-40. (1% more power, 1mpg better FE, 2% less oil consumption -- all of which can be placebo effect, but who knows?)

[upyaris]

The Yaris is the easiest of all cars to change oil. I have the 2" TRD lowering springs on mine and I don't even jack my car up to change the oil. I am running the Royal Purple in my car now and it seems to run a little smoother than the Mobil 1. I use the K&N oil filter as well.

[firebird1999us]

The Yaris is the easiest of all cars to change oil. I have the 2" TRD lowering springs on mine and I don't even jack my car up to change the oil. I am running the Royal Purple in my car now and it seems to run a little smoother than the Mobil 1. I use the K&N oil filter as well.

Just the K&N drop in or the CAI?

[upyaris]

The K&N oil filter. I have the AFE CAI.

[TheSilkySmooth]

HAd RP and dumped it after a week. Got MOTUL in there now but its the economy grade and not for rompin on the revs. RP gave the most power at the top of the rev band but somehow seemed sluggish down low around town. I assume you mean the RP std street oil, 5W-30, not the fancy race formula? Rp street, Its not full synth so changeover shouldnt be a prob.

[TheSilkySmooth]

Get one of thouse plastic cup-type filter wrench heads to help get the filter off. Works miracles. Only 3.5 Qts on th refill - 1/2 qt stays in the engine no matter how hard you try to drain it.

[mikenacarato]

i use RP 5w30. love it! i also use the 75w90 trans fluid as well.

[The Shape]

Get one of thouse plastic cup-type filter wrench heads to help get the filter off. Works miracles. Only 3.5 Qts on th refill - 1/2 qt stays in the engine no matter how hard you try to drain it.

I have always just poured in 4 qts. Is this really bad????

[1stToyota]

Did Toyota issue an updated TSB? Their last one didn't recommend 0w-20 for the Yaris.

[Inspector14]

I have done a lot of my own oil changes. this Yaris is the easiest car i have ever worked on. i changed to synthetic at 800 miles. the factory oil in the car was causing a rough start and a lot of noise in the morning (was getting down to -18*F) so i switched to Pennzoil Platinum.

i plan on changing to castrol edge. which has a good portion of its base oil as a PAO. i would like to run AMSoil or redline though.

[Tamago]

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/search.php?searchid=407085

[daf62757]

Did Toyota issue an updated TSB? Their last one didn't recommend 0w-20 for the Yaris.

That is my question! Does anyone online use the 0W20 in their Yaris? I would be interested to know if there was a jump in mileage for going to 0W20?

[SilverGlow]

Did Toyota issue an updated TSB? Their last one didn't recommend 0w-20 for the Yaris.

Yes, and over a year ago. Toyota issued a TSB which states one can use 20 weight oil in their 1.5L engines.

For the millionth time!

See attached official Toyota TSB, and you will see that the Yaris 1.5L engine can use 20 weight.

And yes, I've been using 0W-20 in my Yaris for the past 54,000 miles. Increase in MPG is just around 1% however. I use the light stuff so that it gets circulated quick during cold morning starts. Quick circulation means less wear and tear during the first start up. And it is during the first start up that 90% of engine wear happens. My engine does not consume any oil after 5,000 miles. The engine runs smooth and no strange sounds coming out of it either.

[1stToyota]

Yes, and over a year ago. Toyota issued a TSB which states one can use 20 weight oil in their 1.5L engines.

For the millionth time!

:bs:

It states 5w-20 NOT 20 OR 0w-20


See attached official Toyota TSB, and you will see that the Yaris 1.5L engine can use 20 weight.

NO, you're drawing your own stupid conclusions again to alter their "5w-20" recommendation to fit into your straight 20 and 0w-20 needs for a southern Ca. climate condition that never needs 0w oil in the first place.

And yes, I've been using 0W-20 in my Yaris for the past 54,000 miles. Increase in MPG is just around 1% however. I use the light stuff so that it gets circulated quick during cold morning starts. Quick circulation means less wear and tear during the first start up. And it is during the first start up that 90% of engine wear happens. My engine does not consume any oil after 5,000 miles. The engine runs smooth and no strange sounds coming out of it either.

You don't need to worry about cold morning startups, you live in so. Ca. ...and film strength always plays a part in not wearing and tearing your internals. Not saying you'll blow your motor or make it drink oil, just saying that you're asking for trouble for using a viscosity that is NOT listed for the Yaris in the Toyota TSB...did you do a XD engine swap? Yes? Then that'd be okay...Yaris 1.5 still, not okay, according to the Toyota TSB that you like so much but can't comprehend.

[Tamago]

i think you guys were all related to GW bush the way you fight over oil

lol

[1stToyota]

i think you guys were all related to GW bush the way you fight over oil

lol

:biggrin:

I fight over what Toyota says is right for our motor...I don't like bad and maybe very costly advice being handed out.

[Tamago]

:biggrin:

I fight over what Toyota says is right for our motor...I don't like bad and maybe very costly advice being handed out.

nor do i..

but if 100 people on YW say that 0w20 is ok to run, then its fact.. don't bother opening that thing in your glove box (owners manual) YW says it, it's true! :clap:

[Yaribhini]

I highly, highly suggest that one runs what the factory calls for in regards to viscosity and weight. Especially for those that have never owned a car that utilizes a timing chain configuration.

[1stToyota]

I highly, highly suggest that one runs what the factory calls for in regards to viscosity and weight. Especially for those that have never owned a car that utilizes a timing chain configuration.

Which is 5w-30 (5w-20 recommendation added later), and that's what I use...1% over the 40+mpg that I already get isn't worth the risk of using a viscosity that isn't listed on the Toyota TSB...unless of course you're forced to quote only a part of the multi-viscosity rating to fool yourself into thinking it's okay to use the wrong oil :help:

[1stToyota]

nor do i..

but if 100 people on YW say that 0w20 is ok to run, then its fact.. don't bother opening that thing in your glove box (owners manual) YW says it, it's true! :clap:

Or bother looking at the oil cap

[Tamago]

Or bother looking at the oil cap

WAIT, wait.. toyota puts information like that on the cap?

[IllusionX]

yes, my oil cap says 5w30

[SilverGlow]

:bs:

It states 5w-20 NOT 20 OR 0w-20




NO, you're drawing your own stupid conclusions again to alter their "5w-20" recommendation to fit into your straight 20 and 0w-20 needs for a southern Ca. climate condition that never needs 0w oil in the first place.



You don't need to worry about cold morning startups, you live in so. Ca. ...and film strength always plays a part in not wearing and tearing your internals. Not saying you'll blow your motor or make it drink oil, just saying that you're asking for trouble for using a viscosity that is NOT listed for the Yaris in the Toyota TSB...did you do a XD engine swap? Yes? Then that'd be okay...Yaris 1.5 still, not okay, according to the Toyota TSB that you like so much but can't comprehend.


ALL the oil brands that sell 0w-20 make the claim that that their oil is a great match for ANY 5w-20 application. AMSoil, Mobil1 and others make this claim.

And you are dead wrong about California and 0w weight oil. Anytime the ambient temperature is below 40F one will IN FACt benefit from 0w oil. You are also very foolish to think that it does not snow in California. It does in fact.

Film strength and viscosity have NOTHING to do with each other. And in fact, there are some 20 weights that provide film longer then heavier oils.

What you fail to understand is that 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection at full operational temperatures. The difference is during the first morning start of the cold day. And if a 5w is fine, then a 0w will be too. This is true according to AMSoil, and Mobil1 and ALL other makes that make 0W oils.

According to Toyota, 5w-20 can be used safely in a Yaris 1.5L engine. Now, that being true, one can ALSO use 0w-20, 0w-30 too for our Yaris engines, and this according to ALL the makers of 0w oils.

It is too bad you behave like you know more about oil then Toyota, AMSoil, and Mobil1.

[SilverGlow]

Or bother looking at the oil cap

..or bother reading TSB's, that are published AFTER Toyota printed their caps....

[The Shape]

So is four quarts of Castrol 5w-30 way to much?? I checked it and it is over the full line a little bit , but not drastically.

[1stToyota]

..or bother reading TSB's, that are published AFTER Toyota printed their caps....

That say 5w-20 is for the Yaris, not 0w-20 :tongue:

[1stToyota]

ALL the oil brands that sell 0w-20 make the claim that that their oil is a great match for ANY 5w-20 application. AMSoil, Mobil1 and others make this claim.

All but Toyota on Toyota's TSB. Funny that Toyota says 0w-20 is awesome for the Camry, but the Yaris needs 5w-20 :biggrin:

And you are dead wrong about California and 0w weight oil. Anytime the ambient temperature is below 40F one will IN FACt benefit from 0w oil. You are also very foolish to think that it does not snow in California. It does in fact. Fool, 5w is winter weight, southern Ca doesn't need 0w, and the Yaris isn't supposed to use 0w-20, based on Toyota's TSB...it's the info that matters most to the Toyota dealership

Film strength and viscosity have NOTHING to do with each other. And in fact, there are some 20 weights that provide film longer then heavier oils.

The oil that most resembles K-1 kerosene propbably needs to get to the valve train and cam lobes quicker.

What you fail to understand is that 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection at full operational temperatures. The difference is during the first morning start of the cold day. And if a 5w is fine, then a 0w will be too. This is true according to AMSoil, and Mobil1 and ALL other makes that make 0W oils.

If that's true then Toyota wouldn't make a distinction between the two grades...shove what AMSOIL and what Mobil1 says about 0w-20 because it's NOT what Toyota says about 0w-20 for the Yaris motor (fact)

According to Toyota, 5w-20 can be used safely in a Yaris 1.5L engine.

Yes.

Now, that being true, one can ALSO use 0w-20, 0w-30 too for our Yaris engines, and this according to ALL the makers of 0w oils.

Wrong. One can't say that about any Toyota TSB ever issued for the US Yaris 1.5L...not 0w-20, not 0w-30

5w-20 and 5w-30, and that's the way it'll be until you can fully quote, exactly, a multi-viscosity recommendation of 0w-30 or 0w-20 for the Yaris in a Toyota TSB

It is too bad you behave like you know more about oil then Toyota, AMSoil, and Mobil1.

:bs:

Show me where Toyota says that "0w-20" is okay to use in the 1.5 Yaris motor on the Toyota TSB...you can't include Toyota with AMSOIL and Mobil1 because they don't agree with Toyota. They list "0w-20" but Toyota TSB will not list "0w-20" for the Yaris 1.5...you drawing your own conclusions isn't good enough for me, I'll stick with Toyota TSB and owner's manual recommendations. :tongue:

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

yes, my oil cap says 5w30

mine says TRD........

[Tamago]

mine says TRD........

that must mean you can use Peanut butter instead of oil, since the cap doesn't designate specific oil weights!! :w00t:

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

that must mean you can use Peanut butter instead of oil, since the cap doesn't designate specific oil weights!! :w00t:

i use oil from the mexican joint down the street. when i hit the block im smelling like bean burritos......

[Tamago]

i use oil from the mexican joint down the street. when i hit the block im smelling like bean burritos......

that sounds excellent... what weight is the oil?

[Yaribhini]

I would use ATLEAST a 5w oil with a timing chain. TSB interpretation or not, a timing chain configuration needs some oil weight.

[The Shape]

So is four quarts of Castrol 5w-30 way to much?? I checked it and it is over the full line a little bit , but not drastically.

No one knows???

[1stToyota]

I would use ATLEAST a 5w oil with a timing chain. TSB interpretation or not, a timing chain configuration needs some oil weight.

Funny thing is that Toyota leaves NO room or need for an interpretation...they list the exact models and engines that can use 0w-20 and which models can use 5w-20 in their updated TSB. No where will you find 0w-20 being recommended by Toyota for the Yaris 1.5, period.

[1stToyota]

No one knows???

It's not enough to really worry about.

but 3.5 to 3.7ish is what should be in there.

[The Shape]

Yeah but going strictly by Toyota's recommended specs (whis I have no problem with doing I used 5W-30) I should need 4.3 quarts of oil in my Yaris instead of the 3.5-3.7 you recommend. http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/goodiesforyou/2007yaris_s.pdf

[1stToyota]

Yeah but going strictly by Toyota's recommended specs (whis I have no problem with doing I used 5W-30) I should need 4.3 quarts of oil in my Yaris instead of the 3.5-3.7 you recommend. http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/goodiesforyou/2007yaris_s.pdf

I think it says more because that's actually a dry-fill, and you don't get it all out with an oil drain...some oil stays in the head, etc...even some oil stays in the pan if the drain plug isn't located on the bottom. Ever want to see how much oil stays in the engine try pulling an oil pump/oil pump housing...even the oil sending switch will be holding/blocking enough to put a big puddle of oil on the floor when removed.

[TheSilkySmooth]

The last updated TSB I read stated in a red box at the TOP of the page: NOTICE: 'Use the oil viscosity recommended oil on the oil filler cap or in the owners manual'. I must say its a terribly written TSB that has more loopholes than the Federal Tax LAW. The TSB .. 018 is in regards to the API SM rating. NOT a capability to use "alternate" oil weights. My owners manual ALSO recommends the use of a HEAVIER weight oil in severe operating conditions such as high speed highway - doesnt say anthing about urinating in the engine and applying vaseline(r) to your new leaky Fram filter. My engine can BARELY tolerate THE BEST synthetic thats formulated at the thin end of API 30 wt spec - never mind a piss 20 wt. But blowing your engine is a good economic stimulus for the Toyota service center. Dont Blame Me (or 1st T) for your misinterpretation of a TSB that is NOT for general readership.

[Yar Is Word]

From Silverglow #19 attachment

Toyota Supports ASE Certification Page 1 of 2
EG018-06
Title:
ILSAC GF-4 ENGINE OIL RECOMMENDATION
Models:
All ’06 – ’07 Toyota & Scion Technical Service BULLETIN
March 29, 2006
TSB UPDATE NOTICE:
The information contained in this TSB supercedes TSB No. EG001–06.
TSB No. EG001–06 is now obsolete and should be discarded.
Toyota Motor Corporation manufacturing plants have begun using ILSAC GF–4 engine oil. This engine oil is recommended due to its superiority in terms of fuel economy and engine protection and due to its benefits for both the customer and the environment.
ILSAC GF–4 can be used in all Toyota and Scion engines.
NOTE:
The recommended viscosity grade for this oil differs according to vehicle model. Use the recommended grade specified on the oil filler cap or in the Repair Manual or Owner’s Manual for each vehicle.
For Prius vehicles, refer to TSB No. EG050–04, “Engine Oil Specifications.”
2006 – 2007 model year Toyota and Scion vehicles.
OP CODE DESCRIPTION TIME OFP T1 T2
N/A Not Applicable to Warranty – – – –
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 5W–20
This oil has been set as the Toyota genuine engine oil, starting in February 2006 for the U.S. This oil is superior in terms of fuel economy, engine protection, and cold starting performance.
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 0W–20
This oil has even better fuel efficiency and cold starting performance than 5W–20. Initial application for 0W–20 is in the 2006 model year 2AZ–FE engine and will be used in new engines to be developed.
ENGINE
Introduction
Applicable Vehicles Warranty Information Recommended Engine Oils

ILSAC GF–4 ENGINE OIL RECOMMENDATION – EG018-06 March 29, 2006
Page 2 of 2
Engines That Can Use 5W–20 and 0W–20:
OIL ENGINE
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 5W–20
AZ series
GR series
JZ series
MZ series
NZ series
RZ series
UZ series
VZ series
1ZZ–FE
2TR–FE
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 0W–20
(Beginning with 2006 MY)
2AZ–FE Camry
2AZ–FE Solara
2AZ–FE Highlander
2AZ–FE RAV4 (ACA3#)
NOTE:
DO NOT use these oils in engines other than those listed above. These low–viscosity oils cannot maintain lubrication effectiveness in engines with older designs and could result in smoke emissions from the tailpipe and/or unusual engine noise.

[bdc87]

Use RP 5-20 with KN Oil Filter.

[TheSilkySmooth]

Rp street oil is not synthetic so why spend the money for an Sh/Sj oil when you can go out and buy John Deere tractor oil at your home center? OOOhhh its purple (at least for a day)! Recent UOA on BITOG show shearing to 20W during service of 5W-30 street oil. Now RP application specific racing oils are a diff story altogether .... Only Redline and Some Amsoils are true synthetics that are readily available; so, if youre going to pay a premium whay not get the "real" stuff - Unless your a "faker" and a "phoney".

[TheSilkySmooth]

Back to the TSB EG018-06: So, if your oil filler cap or manual requests 5W-20 as a recommended grade, you can use ILSCA-GF4 instead of the API SL/GF3 in the manual. I cant see any other way to interpret this TSB.

[1stToyota]

From Silverglow #19 attachment

Toyota Supports ASE Certification Page 1 of 2
EG018-06
Title:
ILSAC GF-4 ENGINE OIL RECOMMENDATION
Models:
All ’06 – ’07 Toyota & Scion Technical Service BULLETIN
March 29, 2006
TSB UPDATE NOTICE:
The information contained in this TSB supercedes TSB No. EG001–06.
TSB No. EG001–06 is now obsolete and should be discarded.
Toyota Motor Corporation manufacturing plants have begun using ILSAC GF–4 engine oil. This engine oil is recommended due to its superiority in terms of fuel economy and engine protection and due to its benefits for both the customer and the environment.
ILSAC GF–4 can be used in all Toyota and Scion engines.
NOTE:
The recommended viscosity grade for this oil differs according to vehicle model. Use the recommended grade specified on the oil filler cap or in the Repair Manual or Owner’s Manual for each vehicle.
For Prius vehicles, refer to TSB No. EG050–04, “Engine Oil Specifications.”
2006 – 2007 model year Toyota and Scion vehicles.
OP CODE DESCRIPTION TIME OFP T1 T2
N/A Not Applicable to Warranty – – – –
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 5W–20
This oil has been set as the Toyota genuine engine oil, starting in February 2006 for the U.S. This oil is superior in terms of fuel economy, engine protection, and cold starting performance.
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 0W–20
This oil has even better fuel efficiency and cold starting performance than 5W–20. Initial application for 0W–20 is in the 2006 model year 2AZ–FE engine and will be used in new engines to be developed.
ENGINE
Introduction
Applicable Vehicles Warranty Information Recommended Engine Oils

ILSAC GF–4 ENGINE OIL RECOMMENDATION – EG018-06 March 29, 2006
Page 2 of 2
Engines That Can Use 5W–20 and 0W–20:

OIL ENGINE
ILSAC GF–4 SAE 5W–20

AZ series
GR series
JZ series
MZ series
NZ series
RZ series
UZ series
VZ series
1ZZ–FE
2TR–FE

ILSAC GF–4 SAE 0W–20
(Beginning with 2006 MY)

2AZ–FE Camry
2AZ–FE Solara
2AZ–FE Highlander
2AZ–FE RAV4 (ACA3#)

NOTE:
DO NOT use these oils in engines other than those listed above. These low–viscosity oils cannot maintain lubrication effectiveness in engines with older designs and could result in smoke emissions from the tailpipe and/or unusual engine noise.

SO...Toyota says do NOT use 0w-20 in the Yaris 1.5L NZ series engine, and Glow keeps providing that TSB link as proof the he likes to use the wrong oil in his Yaris...

Thank you. :smile:

[Tamago]

:facepalm:

this thread is still going?

[1stToyota]

Back to the TSB EG018-06: So, if your oil filler cap or manual requests 5W-20 as a recommended grade, you can use ILSCA-GF4 instead of the API SL/GF3 in the manual. I cant see any other way to interpret this TSB.

Yeah, my cap says 5w-30 and I don't know why I'd ever want to switch to 5w-20 eventho' the TSB says it's okay. The 5w-30 is in the owner's manual and appears to be the superior grade, at least where Pennzoil Platinum is concerned:

5w-30 (ACEA A5/B5)
5w-20 (ACEA A1/B1) ...maybe because 5w-20 has a higher "piss" content? :wink:

[Red Horse]

What happen if I mix 2 quarts of royal purple and 1 quart of amsoil for the next oil change ?

[Tamago]

What happen if I mix 2 quarts of royal purple and 1 quart of amsoil for the next oil change ?

that creates a gold/ruby/ivory blend.. it's generally reserved for the Suzuki Swift.

i'm not sure the lowly 1NZFE can handle the power benefits of this oil change

[Red Horse]

that creates a gold/ruby/ivory blend.. it's generally reserved for the Suzuki Swift.

i'm not sure the lowly 1NZFE can handle the power benefits of this oil change

LOL that means its ok to mix it cause I have 1 quart amsoil leftover from the last oil change.

[IllusionX]

So is four quarts of Castrol 5w-30 way to much?? I checked it and it is over the full line a little bit , but not drastically.

I put 4qt of Royal Purple 5w-30 all the time. I let it drain at least 5-10mins (sometimes i go for lunch and come back) before refilling, and i'm usually dead on the "high" mark.

[Yaribhini]

4qt's will be too much. On a perfectly level surface, I got the oil nice and HOT, not warm and proceeded to let it drain for 2 hours. 4 quarts was way too much oil. I'd say that the re-fill should start at 3.3 qts and possibly end up at 3.7 at the most. I know that 4 quarts was way too much oil because the pan is equipped with a fujitomo drain valve and I was easily able to drain ~ .5 quarts from the pan to get the correct fill.

[SilverGlow]

According to many Used Oil Analysis, Royol Purple is a very good oil, BUT not better then oils costing half as much. It is an internet myth that it is better then most. People get sold on it's color, as it is novel, and being more expensive then most oils, some people are fooled into thinking that it is better. It is not. Don't be suckered in!

[SilverGlow]

SO...Toyota says do NOT use 0w-20 in the Yaris 1.5L NZ series engine, and Glow keeps providing that TSB link as proof the he likes to use the wrong oil in his Yaris...

Thank you. :smile:

Wrong!

The TSB says that we can use 5w-20 in our Yaris. However I choose to use 0w-20 because I understand oil. At 212F, 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection, the same viscosity, so what is the big deal? I use 0w for the first start on cold mornings (40F or colder), as it will circulate faster, and better, and that translates into more protection during the first start of every cold morning, and it is at that instance when 90% of engine wear happens.

[id3379]

Use RP 5-20 with KN Oil Filter.

just picked up that combo tonight :thumbup:

[1stToyota]

Wrong!

The TSB says that we can use 5w-20 in our Yaris. However I choose to use 0w-20 because I understand oil. At 212F, 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection, the same viscosity, so what is the big deal? I use 0w for the first start on cold mornings (40F or colder), as it will circulate faster, and better, and that translates into more protection during the first start of every cold morning, and it is at that instance when 90% of engine wear happens.

Wrong!! 5W-20 is NOT the same as 0W-20, and Toyota is aware of it, that's why they say 5W-20 is okay for the Yaris but 0W-20 is NOT okay for the Yaris. Can't believe you're too dense to understand something that simple.

Rearrange the TSB to fit your needs all you want, and make all the excuses you want, but it's gonna be tuff convincing the Toyota service department how wrong they are if they ever question you for using a viscosity that is listed right on the TSB as a viscosity to not be used in the Yaris NZ 1.5 :thumbdown:

[SilverGlow]

Wrong!! 5W-20 is NOT the same as 0W-20, and Toyota is aware of it, that's why they say 5W-20 is okay for the Yaris but 0W-20 is NOT okay for the Yaris. Can't believe you're too dense to understand something that simple.

Rearrange the TSB to fit your needs all you want, and make all the excuses you want, but it's gonna be tuff convincing the Toyota service department how wrong they are if they ever question you for using a viscosity that is listed right on the TSB as a viscosity to not be used in the Yaris NZ 1.5 :thumbdown:


You are an idiot!

I never said the TSB says it is okay to use 0w-20. It says Yarii can use 5w-20.

HOWEVER, I use 0w-20 and my UOA's prove it is not a problem.

You really do need to take some vitamins!

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

did another change on sat. with 5w20 mobil1 and trd(rebadged k/n) filter.....

[1stToyota]

You are an idiot!

I never said the TSB says it is okay to use 0w-20. It says Yarii can use 5w-20.

HOWEVER, I use 0w-20 and my UOA's prove it is not a problem.

You really do need to take some vitamins!

Liar, check your #29 posting on this thread where you claimed that I'm wrong and Toyota, Mobil and Amsoil are right...

But thanks for the backpedal, because on this very thread I asked if 0w-20 was okay according to Toyota's TSB and you jumped on the thread with your little TSB link pretending that it was some sort of proof that Toyota thinks 0W-20 is okay for the Yaris.


Quote:

"ALL the oil brands that sell 0w-20 make the claim that that their oil is a great match for ANY 5w-20 application. AMSoil, Mobil1 and others make this claim.

And you are dead wrong about California and 0w weight oil. Anytime the ambient temperature is below 40F one will IN FACt benefit from 0w oil. You are also very foolish to think that it does not snow in California. It does in fact.

Film strength and viscosity have NOTHING to do with each other. And in fact, there are some 20 weights that provide film longer then heavier oils.

What you fail to understand is that 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection at full operational temperatures. The difference is during the first morning start of the cold day. And if a 5w is fine, then a 0w will be too. This is true according to AMSoil, and Mobil1 and ALL other makes that make 0W oils.

According to Toyota, 5w-20 can be used safely in a Yaris 1.5L engine. Now, that being true, one can ALSO use 0w-20, 0w-30 too for our Yaris engines, and this according to ALL the makers of 0w oils.

It is too bad you behave like you know more about oil then Toyota, AMSoil, and Mobil1."

[mikenacarato]

hey 1sttoyota...let him blow his engine up...its ok :)

[Tamago]

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[1stToyota]

hey 1sttoyota...let him blow his engine up...its ok :)

But the next thing you'll know is that he'll pretend that he hasn't been going around for months telling others to use 0W-20 because he's **used it for 50+K miles with no problems**, but I guess he's got the UOA's to prove it, but I've never seen him post those UOA results yet.

I doubt that he's put that many miles on his Yaris since the TSB was issued. The 50+K miles is probably the actual miles on the car, not how many miles 0W-20 has worked for him.

[jkuchta]

What Silverglow doesn't know (because he dosen't have an oil temp gauge), is that under normal driving (city, and 75mph highway cruise), the oil temp does not go above 85 degrees C.


At the track, I've seen 109 degrees C at the end of a 25 min. session, but that was 25 min. playing above 5000 rpm.

I don't know what the curve looks like as far as temp. vs. viscosity, but I'd be willing to guess that he's not seeing the full 20w most, if not all, of the time.

That would be my guess as to why the TSB specifically does not list 0W-20 as a sub for the 1NZ.

[SilverGlow]

Liar, check your #29 posting on this thread where you claimed that I'm wrong and Toyota, Mobil and Amsoil are right...

But thanks for the backpedal, because on this very thread I asked if 0w-20 was okay according to Toyota's TSB and you jumped on the thread with your little TSB link pretending that it was some sort of proof that Toyota thinks 0W-20 is okay for the Yaris.


Quote:

"ALL the oil brands that sell 0w-20 make the claim that that their oil is a great match for ANY 5w-20 application. AMSoil, Mobil1 and others make this claim.

And you are dead wrong about California and 0w weight oil. Anytime the ambient temperature is below 40F one will IN FACt benefit from 0w oil. You are also very foolish to think that it does not snow in California. It does in fact.

Film strength and viscosity have NOTHING to do with each other. And in fact, there are some 20 weights that provide film longer then heavier oils.

What you fail to understand is that 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection at full operational temperatures. The difference is during the first morning start of the cold day. And if a 5w is fine, then a 0w will be too. This is true according to AMSoil, and Mobil1 and ALL other makes that make 0W oils.

According to Toyota, 5w-20 can be used safely in a Yaris 1.5L engine. Now, that being true, one can ALSO use 0w-20, 0w-30 too for our Yaris engines, and this according to ALL the makers of 0w oils.

It is too bad you behave like you know more about oil then Toyota, AMSoil, and Mobil1."

You are wrong again! I didn't backpedel because there is no need to.

Toyota's 800 customer service line says you CAN run M1 or AMSoil 0W-20 as these do meet all their criteria for Yarii engines. The TSB published came out AFTER they drew this conclusion. Call Mobil1 and AMSoil and see if you know more about oil then they. You don't.

And I certainly would never run an oil that would damage my engine for grins or giggles.

[spookz]

So.. I'm getting quite lost in this thread..

Which is a thinner oil? 5w20 or 5w30?

and also is thinner better?

What do you guys think about the Motul 300V line of oils.. =P compared with the RP motor oils? (mainly the 300V Power Racing)

Last thing.. are some of you saying the RP motor oils are semi synthetic?

Thanks in advance =)

[1stToyota]

You are wrong again! I didn't backpedel because there is no need to.

Toyota's 800 customer service line says you CAN run M1 or AMSoil 0W-20

:bellyroll: Really?

Toyota says to use "AMSOIL" even when it's NOT API approved?

AMSOIL's XL series is API approved, but it doesn't come in 0w-20 :tongue:


as these do meet all their criteria for Yarii engines.

:bs:

They require API approval and AMSOIL's 0w-20 isn't API approved.


The TSB published came out AFTER they drew this conclusion.

OH, I see...the TSB came out AFTER, and not before :wink: And the TSB says do NOT use 0w-20 in the Yaris, gotcha! :)


Call Mobil1 and AMSoil and see if you know more about oil then they. You don't.

They don't know enough or they wouldn't go against what Toyota wants to see in their Yaris crankcases.


And I certainly would never run an oil that would damage my engine for grins or giggles.

Of course you would to get that extra mpg...in a southern California climate that doesn't need better than 5w, any better than what Toyota recommends, especially if you're running synthetic.

[TheSilkySmooth]

So.. I'm getting quite lost in this thread..

Which is a thinner oil? 5w20 or 5w30?

and also is thinner better?

What do you guys think about the Motul 300V line of oils.. =P compared with the RP motor oils? (mainly the 300V Power Racing)

Last thing.. are some of you saying the RP motor oils are semi synthetic?

Thanks in advance =)

You may want to try the Motul BMW LL01, prob the best all round oil around. I'll attach the spec sheet. The 300 v while it may work on the street for a bit is a racing oil. Sometimes they lower the detergency to reduce preignition, you need that detergency on a street motor. Cheers!

[elmo]

Jesus Christ folks the world ain't goin end because you guys have different opinions on oil.

i use pennzoil platinum 05/30 but frankly i think our cars engine would run just fine on ANY 5/30 syn or dino
hell if you want to run something other that what Toyota says go for it just don't cry when you break it !

[TheSilkySmooth]

If I was lucky enough to live in FLA, SoCAL or DownUnder, I'd be running Straight HD 30, absolutely NOT a winter oil. VI improvers are not lubricants and are the leading cause of varnish and sludge and shearing out of grade. Our engines do not take kindly to varnish and are not THAT easy on oil given they have: the dreaded flat tappet cam, hydraulic cam phasing, timing chain and guide and a hydraulic chain tensioner.

[TheSilkySmooth]

My 145 dollar 3.5HP briggs lawn mover is still alive after 19 years having only summer use, 30wt hdeo oil fill with OC every OTHER year. Burns no oil, doesnt knock. It has NO oil pump, just splash lube. OK thats my 300th post. WEEEeeee!

[jkuchta]

I run the Motul 300V 5W-30, and love it. This oil is designed for Le Mans....3-4K miles at full speed with no oil changes...I think it's more than enough for the street, and great for track days.

[spookz]

You may want to try the Motul BMW LL01, prob the best all round oil around. I'll attach the spec sheet. The 300 v while it may work on the street for a bit is a racing oil. Sometimes they lower the detergency to reduce preignition, you need that detergency on a street motor. Cheers!

In Australia, it doesn't seem like we have a particular oil by Motul listed as BMW LL01.. But I've come across this one which does have the BMW LL-01 approval, is this the Australian Market equivalent?
Motul 8100 X-Max (http://www.motul.com.au/product_line_up/4stroke/4stroke14.html)

The specifications seem similar - 100% synthetic, ester based, 5w30..

[ChinoCharles]

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ROFL

[spookz]

Anyone know how the 1NZ-FE would run with 5w40?
Would it be too thick for the little engine?

[phenoyz]

after u change oil, is there something you need to "reset"?
like a honda or bmw you need to reset something.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

after u change oil, is there something you need to "reset"?
like a honda or bmw you need to reset something.

If the maintenance light turns on before you change your oil, then yeah, you can reset that light.

[spookz]

Does anyone run 5w40 oils in their 1.5L Yaris?