3rd Gear grind

[hatchbackkid82]

I just started to develop a 3rd gear grind. I don't know if anyone else has experienced this. Shifting from 2nd to 3rd, it will never be hard to get into gear, but on occasion there is a slight grind. Has anyone else experienced this? The other thing is does anyone know if having an intake on there will void the entire warranty?:iono:

[hatchbackkid82]

I don't rough shift. Always make sure the clutch is all the way down when shift. It's driving me nuts. Even if i shift slow at a certain speed it will grind. The grinding sound is faint but still audible, but i can feel it through the shifter. It's like something is spinning in there

[hatchbackkid82]

Well looks like i'm back under the hood tonight:mad:. Just put my intake on Sunday...this blows

[hatchbackkid82]

I hope your right PK. I'm dreading having to shell out money. I'm out of the bumper to bumper warranty. Just have the powertrain warranty, i know they will tryto figure out a way to suck money out of me

[at3GG]

mine does the same downshifting from 2 to 3 sometimes, even with the clutch fully depressed and shifting sloowly, but only if i dont let the rpm drop. Fait but still there. Also, an intake will NOT void your entire warranty. If they KNOW that you installed an intake, it will void the stock airbox and intake system portion of the watrranty and nothing. This is straight from the mouth of my Toyota Dealer. Good Luck!

[Tamago]

ahh the old weak synchro problem..

what gear oil are you using?

[Loren]

I'd check your clutch hydraulics. If the slave has a slight leak or the fluid is old or you've somehow gotten a little air in the system, the clutch may not be releasing properly. What you describe is one of the first symptoms.

[hatchbackkid82]

75w-90 Mobil 1 synthetic If i remember right. It's a grind for sure, doesn't happen all the time. It definitely happens at high rpm all the time. Shift from 1st to 2nd is fine, sfifting 2nd to 3rd, pressing clutch all the way still grinds. I can't shift from 2nd to 3rd in one smooth motion at high rpm without a grind. Actually have to wait for a second or so.

[Tamago]

75w-90 Mobil 1 synthetic If i remember right. It's a grind for sure, doesn't happen all the time. It definitely happens at high rpm all the time. Shift from 1st to 2nd is fine, sfifting 2nd to 3rd, pressing clutch all the way still grinds. I can't shift from 2nd to 3rd in one smooth motion at high rpm without a grind. Actually have to wait for a second or so.

there's your problem

get rid of that mobil1

that's a synchro destroyer (ask me how i know)

[hatchbackkid82]

Ummmm....... lol.... so how do you know? You screwed your tranny up?

[hatchbackkid82]

isn't 75w-90 the correct viscosity or weight?

[Tamago]

isn't 75w-90 the correct viscosity or weight?

it is the correct weight

but mobil1 is synchro death.

[hatchbackkid82]

Ok any recomendations on what other gear oil to use.

[Tamago]

Ok any recomendations on what other gear oil to use.

people here use Redline MT90

i use plain old valvoline

[hatchbackkid82]

Anyone use Lucas gear oil is that any better? I'm taking my car up to the dealership, to see what they say or what they can do, just want to be on the safe side. But i'll make sure to drain that Mobil 1 asap.

[Tamago]

Anyone use Lucas gear oil is that any better? I'm taking my car up to the dealership, to see what they say or what they can do, just want to be on the safe side. But i'll make sure to drain that Mobil 1 asap.

the dealership is gonna say to buy "toyota" oil (lol)

[Tamago]

what is "toyota" oil? hatchback did you switch the oil from OEM?

it's whatever they decide to throw their label on

i'm not gonna say what brand because i'm probably wrong anyway

i'm not the oil expert around here, there's like 53445 experts.

[MUSKOKA800]

I hope your right PK. I'm dreading having to shell out money. I'm out of the bumper to bumper warranty. Just have the powertrain warranty, i know they will tryto figure out a way to suck money out of me

Powertrain warranty should cover transmission problems.

[hatchbackkid82]

Hey PK. I did switch from regular gear oil that was in there to synthetic

what is "toyota" oil? hatchback did you switch the oil from OEM?

[hatchbackkid82]

I think Tamago meant that the stealer-ship was going to reccommend i buy their gear oil

what is "toyota" oil? hatchback did you switch the oil from OEM?

[hatchbackkid82]

Yeah just don't want to give them a leg to stand on. They see the intake and then some how they blame the tranny problem on that. you know they come up with any old thing to make money

Powertrain warranty should cover transmission problems.

[hatchbackkid82]

Oh i know.... So i guess this is a common problem on the yaris. I'm not the only that's had some issue with the synchros

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

it is the correct weight

but mobil1 is synchro death.

:thumbsup: id listen to the man......

[hatchbackkid82]

alright i'll get it outta there. thanks guys. I'll still take it in to the dealership. Just want to be on the safe side. I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

[Tamago]

alright i'll get it outta there. thanks guys. I'll still take it in to the dealership. Just want to be on the safe side. I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

i'd recommend flushing the mobil1 out.

buy 3quarts of the new oil
drain out the mobil1

add 1qt of new oil

drive for 15 miles or so, nothing highway speeds

drain out 1qt of mixed oil

add 2qt of new oil

[hatchbackkid82]

let me ask you guys this. when i put the mobile 1 in there i just drained what was in the tranny and filled it back up with mobil 1. What makes a drain and flush a drain flush. When i change my oil i always run the engine flush through there for 5 mins then drain everything and replace with new oil. Anything flush like that for mt?

[Tamago]

let me ask you guys this. when i put the mobile 1 in there i just drained what was in the tranny and filled it back up with mobil 1. What makes a drain and flush a drain flush. When i change my oil i always run the engine flush through there for 5 mins then drain everything and replace with new oil. Anything flush like that for mt?

never heard of engine flushing.. hmm

[06silveryaris]

i have used GM synchromesh gear oil on Hondas ( B ad K series)when they would have a similar grind and have had very good results. In PR people also use it for E90 M3's since the rear end whinds like crazy and I also quites it up. As far as weight I do not remember what I used.

[Tamago]

i have used GM synchromesh gear oil on Hondas ( B ad K series)when they would have a similar grind and have had very good results. In PR people also use it for E90 M3's since the rear end whinds like crazy and I also quites it up. As far as weight I do not remember what I used.

in colder climates, stick to lighter weights

i run 80/90 in mine

[hatchbackkid82]

yeah this is what is use before i change my oil, you add it to the crankcase, turn the car on, let it circulate through the engine for 5 mins, and then just do a normal oil change. Is there anything like this for MT, or is it really just a drain and fill

[marcus]

amsoil it ..worked for my celica..itll take a month for the oil to settle though so if you go synthetic give it time. it will still grind right after but give it 1 to 1.5 months thats how long it took for my celica gears to shift smoothly and it was grindless even after i traded it 2 years after..

[White Yaris]

Mobil 1 gear oil works fine on my car? :iono: but, right now its redline MT90. Not much difference?

However, i still recommend Redline MT90 or Toyota (OEM) i dunno what theirs called. I void warranty all the time.

[ImportRacer88]

I have a hole shit load of stuff done by myself and i didnt void the warrenty and i had that same problem shifting into third would grind they told me it was bent gears this was around 9000 miles they fixed the problem for me took the a week they gave me a rental and every thing didnt have to pay a cent

[cleong]

I had that dreaded gear grind last year. Leading up to that time I had the TRD quick shift installed, and Redline MTL gear oil which replaced the stock oil.

At first it would only grind shifting from 6000+rpm in second going into third. Then the grind got worse, coming down to 4000+ rpm. At such point it was so repeatable I took it back to the dealer. It probably was a syncro problem, they didn't say. They apparently knew what was wrong with it without taking apart the gearbox to see, because they said they'd order the parts required to fit it, which took about three months. The car was then laid up for about three days.

Since then I'm on the stock factory oil or whatever they decided to fill it with, and the TRD quickshift is no longer on my car. No further grinds, although I'm told this gearbox is rather weak anyway.

[Morgan]

I had the same 2nd-3rd grind and its very noticeable in my car for some reason. I changed out the factory oil with some new regular 75w90 and it seems to be better. gl

[JBIZZ]

I put Royal Purple 75w-90 in. Now I have a grind at very low speeds downshifting into 1st, after the car has been driven for awhile. I am going to change it to Redline MT-90 this weekend.

[Jerkratt]

hey blazingbluevitz think i can drop my car off after the kit install and have them take a look at it?

[mikenacarato]

i use royal purple and have had no issues at all. it shifts better to me.

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

hey blazingbluevitz think i can drop my car off after the kit install and have them take a look at it?

:iono: im guessing they'll say your ssk and short shifter is causing problem. but its worth a shot.....

[ImportRacer88]

Did you get the prob fixed

[Jerkratt]

i dont have my car back yet... still in the body shop...

[Pars]

I had the third gear grind. The car had 100,000km on it and I never changed the gear/tranny oil. I got Toyota to flush it and was extremely worried after the flushed since the clutch was slipping when I got it back. But after a several days, the slipping went away along with the third gear grind.

I'd listen to tango and either use redline, or in my case, I'd play it safe and use the Toyota stuff.

[tk-421]

I have a 3rd gear grind as well. I feel it at higher RPMs both when upshifting from 2nd and downshifting from 4th. I'm getting it looked at on Tuesday. The mechanic actually drove my car and felt the grind, and he says it's not the clutch, but that it could be somewhere along the transaxle. I also have a new ACT Stage 1 clutch in there, so I agree that it's unlikely to be a clutch problem.

I really hope that the warranty covers it though. They've started to ask questions about my aftermarket parts. :rolleyes:

They also changed the tranny oil to OEM about a month ago. Would it make any difference if I switched back to MT90 this early to see if that fixes the grind?

[AlexNet0]

I get that grind occasionally, however it is only when I shift very hard at high revs from 2nd to third, I have 56k mi. with the engine bay ssk

[hatchbackkid82]

Just dropped my car off at the shop today in the morning. I'll should know by this afternoon what's going on with my tranny

[hatchbackkid82]

That's when i get it but i don't have ss

I get that grind occasionally, however it is only when I shift very hard at high revs from 2nd to third, I have 56k mi. with the engine bay ssk

[hatchbackkid82]

Well i wait for them to give me call back... if they find nothing wrong, then it looks like i'll be ordering a case of redline

I had the third gear grind. The car had 100,000km on it and I never changed the gear/tranny oil. I got Toyota to flush it and was extremely worried after the flushed since the clutch was slipping when I got it back. But after a several days, the slipping went away along with the third gear grind.

I'd listen to tango and either use redline, or in my case, I'd play it safe and use the Toyota stuff.

[Yoda]

Well i wait for them to give me call back... if they find nothing wrong, then it looks like i'll be ordering a case of redline

lol i had the same prob my car has 6k miles on it. Went back to my dealer and they gave me a whole new tranny:biggrin: Even with all the mods i have on. I/H/E and pulley. As long as wat you added on does not directly or indirectly affect the troubled part then you are good. If they deny to fix for free ask them how exactly your mods have contributed to the fail of your trans... you will quickly see how much they can bs and then call them on it. Let them kno you are not stupid and you kno your stuff also.

[hatchbackkid82]

When i dropped it off he asked if i had the gear oil changed. i told him that i did it myself a few months ago. He then said well if we find anything wrong with it by default we will let you know. I'm pretty sure they will try and dump this on me. Of course I'm going to raise hell if they do:mad:

[hatchbackkid82]

Ok just got a call back from the dealership... they did here the grind in third gear. They said they wanted to keep the car until tomorrow bc the shop foreman wasn't there. But he said they would give me call tomorrow to let me know what was going with it.

[Yoda]

ok cool sounds good

[marcus]

When i dropped it off he asked if i had the gear oil changed. i told him that i did it myself a few months ago. He then said well if we find anything wrong with it by default we will let you know. I'm pretty sure they will try and dump this on me. Of course I'm going to raise hell if they do:mad:

you should have just lied about the oil change.. now they are gonna have to see a receipt and the type of oil you put in..otherwise hope you get lucky and get someone who wont care but to give you a better customer service. good luck

[hatchbackkid82]

I couldn't lie about it... well i could but, they have the transmission drain plug marked with ink. So they know when the drain bolts been removed. I have receipts... put the correct viscosity in there.

[marcus]

you got the receipt then they cant decline ur coverage.. ur good to go.

[hatchbackkid82]

yup have all that stuff... at least last time i checked before i moved:confused: If not just talk to a manager raise a lil bit of hell or just write the bbb or call toyota corporate

[tomato]

hmm.. car in the shop is never fun. :frown: good luck, and let us know how it turns out!

[hatchbackkid82]

still waiting....this sucks i thought they would at least give me a loaner. i hate catching the bus

[hatchbackkid82]

Just spoke to the dealer, they are ordering a few parts. Asked the manager if this would be covered by the warranty, said he couldn't tell me just yet. said that they would have to pull the transmission to find out for sure. This is really frustrating, doesn't the powertrain warranty cover the motor and tranny:mad:? Last time i checked i was pretty sure it did. Why not give me a straight answer? What else is there to find out? There is a grind in 3rd gear short and simple.

[marcus]

canadian power train is 5 years.. and bumper to bumper is 3 years.. i believe.

[tomato]

Just spoke to the dealer, they are ordering a few parts. Asked the manager if this would be covered by the warranty, said he couldn't tell me just yet. said that they would have to pull the transmission to find out for sure. This is really frustrating, doesn't the powertrain warranty cover the motor and tranny:mad:? Last time i checked i was pretty sure it did. Why not give me a straight answer? What else is there to find out? There is a grind in 3rd gear short and simple.

Who knows.

You know, I bought my car used, but "certified" which is supposed to mean that I have a bumper to bumper warranty identical to the factory warranty for 3 months post purchase. I wanted them to check something (I think my clutch is really stiff in the morning, then it gets better as you drive it), so I thought, hey the car is under warranty, let's go ask them if it's a big deal or maybe just the way that car is. Well, they said they might have to charge me $160 just to look at the car to find out what's going on and whether or not whatever is going on is under warranty or not. When I complained about that rip-off charge to "look at the car" they told me and I quote "that's why people buy new cars, you got a 2007, so.... which is :bs::bs::bs: I mean cars don't start falling apart when they're a couple of years old!! or do they?!!! I don't think the stiffness of the clutch is that big of a deal, so I'm not too worried, but I didn't expect to be jerked around like that :mad:

Now I know why people are complaining about the service they get at the dealership on Yelp.com :rolleyes:

[marcus]

they should give you a loaner.. read your contract again...coz when they fixed my strut they gave me a loaner for 2 days..they gave me a rav 4..very sluggish car..dont like that one although its great on gas..meter didnt move for me using it for 2 days.. might be broken.

[hatchbackkid82]

I'll wait for his call, he said he would give me a call back this afternoon. I'll ask him then how much longer they expect to have my car. I really wont' need a loaner... i just realized have a friend that is going out of town said she would let me borrow her car from tonight until saturday, and then i leave town on sunday. so i should be ok it just sucked having to bus it the past few days

[hatchbackkid82]

It was the 3rd gear synchro, They are fixing it right now. No charge all under warranty. WOO HOO:thumbup:!!!!!!!! Should be done by tomorrow, just in time for when the exhaust comes in.

[tomato]

:drinking:

[hatchbackkid82]

Exactly tomato:drinking:

[tk-421]

It was the 3rd gear synchro, They are fixing it right now. No charge all under warranty. WOO HOO:thumbup:!!!!!!!! Should be done by tomorrow, just in time for when the exhaust comes in.
Good to know... I just left the car at the dealer a few minutes ago for this same purpose. :drinking:

[hatchbackkid82]

Good luck hope they take care of you

[tk-421]

Good luck hope they take care of you
Yeah I hope so... The Toyota rep was already giving me sh!t about having an aftermarket clutch, and how it would probably affect the warranty. Even after the mechanic already told him that it had nothing to do with the clutch. :laugh:

[hatchbackkid82]

Awwwww man. The rep is trying to make some money off of you, hopefully the tech tells him that it didn't affect tranny

[hatchbackkid82]

Ok still no car yet:thumbdown:

[tk-421]

Ok still no car yet:thumbdown:
Same here. :mad:
Still waiting for the warranty verdict too.

[hatchbackkid82]

Oh i know that mine is covered they're just not done with it yet.:frown:

[tk-421]

I just called the dealership, and the news is not good in my case.

They're not covering my car under warranty, even when they KNOW that the clutch has nothing to do with the synchro. They want to charge around $200 just for taking the tranny apart, plus parts. Not only that, but it will take them at least until next Wednesday to get the car back together.

God I love my country.

[hatchbackkid82]

Damn man sorry to hear that TK:frown:. Well I just got a call back from the dealer, they ended up getting me a whole new transmission, the rep told me that after they put they new parts in there it was still doing the same thing (3rd gear grind) so they put a new tranmission in there. Sorry TK

[tomato]

I just called the dealership, and the news is not good in my case.

They're not covering my car under warranty, even when they KNOW that the clutch has nothing to do with the synchro. They want to charge around $200 just for taking the tranny apart, plus parts. Not only that, but it will take them at least until next Wednesday to get the car back together.

God I love my country.

OK, I don't understand this. Can someone please explain or send me to the right thread please? :confused:

What I don't understand is why the dealer picks and choose what is covered or not covered. You guys have practically new cars, or cars with much lower mileage than mine, therefore should be fully covered under the 3 y initial warranty, no? Isn't the initial warranty comprehensive, or does the dealership still get to pick and choose what's covered and what's not covered?

Are there any good thread on warranty issues that I might have missed in this forum? I'm really curious. (They wanted $160 to just look at my car even though it's technically under a comprehensive "bumper to bumper" warranty. :rolleyes:

Why go to the dealership at all if they're going to pick and choose what's covered?!!! :mad:

[hatchbackkid82]

If you have a bumper to bumper warranty they should cover anything that goes wrong. Unless you have mods done, some may still honor it. But if the problem can be traced back directly to the mod then your SOL. For example: if you throw a CAI on your car and drive through a puddle and it hydrolocks. Then you take to the dealer with the CAI on there, they probably won't honor your warranty. Dealers should never charge you to take a look at your car if your under the bumper to bumper warranty. In my case i got lucky, i was out of the bumper to bumper warranty, but i was still within the powertrain warranty (5yrs/60k miles). So there was no charge.

[tomato]

If you have a bumper to bumper warranty they should cover anything that goes wrong...

Well, they SAID I did, that's what that Certified program is supposed to be about. :mad: Actually, you gave me an idea. I think I'll call Toyota directly and see what they say about my warranty. Maybe the guy I spoke to on the phone didn't know any better.

Sorry about the rant. I hate it when people take advantage. I have a feeling if they could get away with grabbing people by the ankles and shaking them until money comes out of their pockets, they probably would!!! What are you gonna do, you need your car and they know it. Grrrr :mad:

[Tamago]

so the weak transmission debacle carries over from the old generation 5spd eh ?

shame :(

[Jerkratt]

I just called the dealership, and the news is not good in my case.

They're not covering my car under warranty, even when they KNOW that the clutch has nothing to do with the synchro. They want to charge around $200 just for taking the tranny apart, plus parts. Not only that, but it will take them at least until next Wednesday to get the car back together.

God I love my country.

dude get in touch with toyota corp. or talk to there general mang. i think

[cleong]

Given that you'd changed the clutch, there might be sufficient grounds that the powertrain was altered to cause failure to the gearbox. A stock clutch with its associated slippage may have prevented the the gearbox having to deal with the power and torque from the engine fully. Because when it bites better, it also transmits that shock through the gearbox.

[tk-421]

Given that you'd changed the clutch, there might be sufficient grounds that the powertrain was altered to cause failure to the gearbox. A stock clutch with its associated slippage may have prevented the the gearbox having to deal with the power and torque from the engine fully. Because when it bites better, it also transmits that shock through the gearbox.
Sounds reasonable, although I had the grinding problem even before I changed my OEM clutch. That was actually one of the reasons I swapped the clutch in the end, thinking that it would fix the problem.

[cleong]

Unless you had reported this to the dealer back then, you can't prove that the grind was already there prior to the clutch swap.

Right now all they are focused on is the labour cost that would have to come out of their shop time, even if Toyota does honor warranty, which is probably why they are trying to get you to pay for labor.

But looking at your mod list, you have 3 items related to gearbox (NST SSK, bushings, ACT clutch) which aren't factory standard. I find that the easiest way to claim warranty without a quibble is to have a bog-stock standard car presented for the dealer's scrutiny, even if it means you have to spend on labor to demod it.

In Singapore, for some brands, warranty becomes void if you so much as skip a scheduled service with the authorized service workshop network. Modding a single item on a car causes the entire car's warranty to be voided, even if the failed part has nothing to do with what was modified, so take heart that there's dealers worse than the one you're dealing with right now.

[Morgan]

I'm getting a whole new transmission!

I think the key is to just ride with one of the service technicians from your local dealer and make sure they can replicate the noise, I've been complaining since Jan 08 about this but only now (that third is practically useless) do I get a new transmission...

Ehhh, whatever

my car sans the 3rd gear > slushbox belta

[tk-421]

I think the key is to just ride with one of the service technicians from your local dealer and make sure they can replicate the noise
That's what I did too. The tech actually said that it had nothing to do with the clutch swap or the SSK, but later said that they wouldn't cover my warranty anyway.

I think something like the Magnusson-Moss Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act) should be enforced around here. I'm gonna ask around and see if that is a possibility for us mexicanos. :smile:

[Morgan]

The dealer just called and asked if I wanted my clutch replaced while the transmission was out, for a moment I thought -- hmm how nice of them to call and ask, considering that dropping the subframe, disconnecting the steering, manhandling the transmission and the headache of putting it all back in is rather tedious --

so then I asked, well is the transmission off the car? "Ohh yes, its off and the new one is about to go in."

so did you take the clutch off the check the wear? "No, but I'm guessing that since you had a bad 3rd gear synchro your clutch has 10,000 more miles left on it."

ok so you didn't take the clutch off the fly wheel or inspect it in any way, yet you KNOW it only has 10,000 miles left on it? "Well we thought we'd try to save you the trouble of replacing it later."

uh-huh, no you may not put a new oem clutch in my car for $500+labor, I think I'll continue to drive my car til the recommended service interval that is 70,000+ miles away, thanks!

[redglare45]

Well I know this is an old tread, but count me in on that 3rd gear grind too. Mine usually would come in on downshifts only. Usually downshifting from 4th to 3rd gear usually got it to grind. Only had 61,000 miles, what sucks is that my warranty was over. So now my car is in the shop.

[az_saguaro]

Mine has also developed the third gear grind with 67,500. Out of powertrain warranty. I do have the "Toyota Platinum" extended warranty, so now it will be fun to see how they try to not pay the warranty claim. I am sure they will think of a reason.

[firemachine69]

I don't rough shift. Always make sure the clutch is all the way down when shift. It's driving me nuts. Even if i shift slow at a certain speed it will grind. The grinding sound is faint but still audible, but i can feel it through the shifter. It's like something is spinning in there

Your synchronizer is likely pooched.


Go make an appointment with Toyota, I hope you have drivetrain warranty left!

[az_saguaro]

Definitely know the synchro was gone, they also found 4th gear teeth chipped and some fried bearings. Took a lot of "discussion" on the phone, but did get it the VSA (extended warranty) to cover repairs. Whew!

[hatchbackkid82]

Got it taken care of, ended up with a new transmission:thumbsup:

Your synchronizer is likely pooched.


Go make an appointment with Toyota, I hope you have drivetrain warranty left!

[2o6]

Don't mean to be a super bump, but I have the same issue with 3rd.....

[yarisman1974]

Well looks like evryone on here is experiencing the same thing as me, downshift from 3rd to 2nd gear, and unless I am under 40KM/h the gear will grind, meaning to me it's a synchro. Only problem is at 70K I had this problem last year and under powertrain warranty the synchro was replaced. Fast forward to this year and 13 months after the repair the very same issue is happening, and after speaking with the dealer and Toyota Canada because my PT warranty has expired, I do still have ECP warranty....however I got 2 calls today from Toyota, one saying that they would do a ONE time shot and waive the fee to have the dealer rip apart the transmisson, but an hour ago Toyota called back and NOW they won't honour that whatsoever and will only waive the fee if they cam prove that I didn't cause the issue as they claim that a synchro is wear and tear...I'm not happy at all with how Toyota is handling this, and may consider taking this up a notch. Any thoughts on this? I would appreciate that. Thanks.

[cylaptor]

there's your problem

get rid of that mobil1

that's a synchro destroyer (ask me how i know)

omg, I see that now. I have the same problem after putting in a Mobil1 75W-90 gear oil. It started to grinding and very difficult shifting.