Why won't Toyota USA give us the TS?

[woof]

I really wanted one of these with the 1.8. It looks like that tacky dress up package is as close as it's gonna get.

What's their excuse? :iono:

[hatchbackkid82]

car companies do this all the time. every other markets gets the cars as they should be we just get watered down versions low on power or never at all. the exception was the Wrx sti JDM one had like 260-280 hp while the usdm one had 300hp.

As far as why, beats me:iono:

[eTiMaGo]

because you have the xD, which is pretty much the same thing on paper...

[Tamago]

the exception was the Wrx sti JDM one had like 260-280 hp while the usdm one had 300hp.

really? you sure about that?

[hatchbackkid82]

Read it some where i think car and driver. Can' remember it word for word but in a nutshell that what it said. I gotta look it up

really? you sure about that?

[hatchbackkid82]

It was rated at 280 hp (gentlemen's agreement in japan) but made more than that. Some say over 300hp some say a lil' under but either way it was underrated.

[detroiter]

I thought the Gentlemens agreement, on paper and contract anyways, was expired. Now it is just by word that they will agree to it, Don't quote me but I thought that was the case. Everybody knows cars they built had way more then the agreement anyways lol. The Skyline was more like 320-330 hp right along with the Supra being way more then 280.

[hatchbackkid82]

Yeah 3000GT, Supra, STi, 300ZX, EVO they were all rated at 280hp... but put out well over that. The supra here was rated at 320hp I think

[SilverBack]

Supra TT was rated at 300 BHP the last I remember

IMO cars like TS will start picking up as these big SUVs and other unnecessary large vehicles continue to disappear. Just sit tight and wait :smile:

[detroiter]

Right, even the 3000gt VR4 here in the states was rated at 320 hp and 300lb tq. Even though it was heavy as can be, with the awd and those numbers together the thing is a beast.

[staypuft]

im still waiting for ford to release that beautiful focus rs over here or the euro type r. america needs more sexy hatchbacks. the ts would be sweet, the yaris looks way better than the xd imo

[thebarber]

jdm sti is a 2.0L...

and the TS would just kill xD sales...but id love an xD or TS in canada...

[Zefoxe]

we have the xD, US doesn't like small cars as it is on a wide scale, putting more competition in their own ranks would make no sense for toyota unfortunately, unlike in japan

[1NZYaris1]

I really wanted one of these with the 1.8. It looks like that tacky dress up package is as close as it's gonna get.

What's their excuse? :iono:

:rolleyes: American's can't handle the power, :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :eek: sorry couldn't resist the cheap shot :thumbup:

[eTiMaGo]

:rolleyes: American's can't handle the power, :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :eek: sorry couldn't resist the cheap shot :thumbup:

now wait for a big ol' V8 muscle car owner to flame you :laugh:

[detroiter]

Which muscle car owner? The one with a 5.0 litre engine that only makes 300 hp? :D

[puetato89]

Which muscle car owner? The one with a 5.0 litre engine that only makes 300 hp? :D

Lmao..... good one:headbang:

[ItalianYaris]

Sad really, in the US they have 5.0 liters V8's rating at 300HP while here in EU we have 1.0 liters 3cyl that have 100 HP. So if we do the simple math, If we did a V8 5.0 L we would get somewhere in the what? 600HP? hmmmm. You guys in the US really need some models like the Focus RS, and the Type R's, etc., to show you what muscle and technology really is!!!!!!!

[PK198105]

why you ask because too many stupid kids would kill themselves with a more powerful economy car. not every 16yr old can get their hands on a 300hp Sti , but a lot of them can get a cheap Civic. So if you follow this logic a more powerful econo car is more of risk for stupid kids. Just look at all the modded Civics, most of them belong to a snot nosed 16yr old with a learners permit and ends up wrapped around a pole. We pay for others stupidity

[ChinoCharles]

Simple answer: because on paper bringing the TS here makes no business sense.

[puetato89]

+1 very true but bs....

[TOUGEghost]

Everyone here would bitch and moan about a few thousand dollars added to the price of the car.

[Tamago]

lol as stated already, the TS is already here, in rhinoceros form.. (the xD)

and it's better equipped "standard" than any yaris

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

lol as stated already, the TS is already here, in rhinoceros form.. (the xD)

and it's better equipped "standard" than any yaris

standard meaning you'll pay 16K for it......

[Tamago]

standard meaning you'll pay 16K for it......

and worth every penny.

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

and worth every penny.

it should be if you spend almost 20grand on a SCION......

[Tamago]

it should be if you spend almost 20grand on a SCION......

how does 16K = almost 20 thousand dollars?

that means a 14K yaris = almost 20 thousand dollars as well.. :laugh:

and furthermore, it's just a badge. but you're smart enough to know that...










or are you?

[Tamago]

a yaris comparable to the xD, let's see..........

liftback 5 door S
msrp 15,125
epa 29/36

scion xD
msrp 15,450
epa 26/32
both automatics


and guess which one will be marked up by the dealer because it "saves on gas" ?

and for that extra couple hundred dollars, you get a much nicer interior, better seats, more power, a better stereo, more room.

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

how does 16K = almost 20 thousand dollars?

that means a 14K yaris = almost 20 thousand dollars as well.. :laugh:

and furthermore, it's just a badge. but you're smart enough to know that...










or are you?

:laugh: 16k plus finance brings it to almost 20 grand unless of course your gonna tell me everyone pays in cash. furthermore it may just be a badge but it says SCION......

[Tamago]

:laugh: 16k plus finance brings it to almost 20 grand unless of course your gonna tell me everyone pays in cash. furthermore it may just be a badge but it says SCION......

so you're saying you don't have to pay financing on a yaris?

your "logic" is really messed up here dude

[CASTREX]

:laughabove:

get a room you two...

:bellyroll:

[Tamago]

:laughabove:

get a room you two...

:bellyroll:


i'm waiting for him to come back..

blazin, i know you read this, where's your awesome comeback to defend your "logic" ?

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

banned

[CASTREX]

Is a shame Tamago is gonne, because he knows a lot about several subjects. He could have been a valuable member for the community.

.... but respect above all.


:respekt::respekt::respekt:

[PK198105]

what he's banned again? wtf

[eTiMaGo]

got into yet another bitchfight with Peterpoop (Rockland, you got lucky this time :laugh:) so it was time for a break.

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

^^:bow: thank you thank you ..........

[Split]

Toyota USA doesn't give you the TS here because they want you to buy the Scion xD. Which is a fine vehicle anyway, so just go buy that instead.

[1stToyota]

Sad really, in the US they have 5.0 liters V8's rating at 300HP while here in EU we have 1.0 liters 3cyl that have 100 HP. So if we do the simple math, If we did a V8 5.0 L we would get somewhere in the what? 600HP? hmmmm. You guys in the US really need some models like the Focus RS, and the Type R's, etc., to show you what muscle and technology really is!!!!!!!

The 4.6 Mustang, not 5.0, is rated at 300hp and 315hp
Their 5.4 is rated at 500hp, and around 600hp
Not counting special build Mustangs that can be bought right off the Ford showroom floor...(Saleen 4.6, 550hp - Roush 4.6, 510hp - Steeda 5.0, 650hp)

ZR1, 6.2, 638hp, 0-60mph 3.4 seconds
CTS-V, 6.2, 556hp, 0-60mph 3.9 seconds

...or a working man's car like my old '05 GTO, when stock, 6.0, 400hp, 0-60 4.7 seconds

[Bob_VT]

Toyota USA doesn't give you the TS here because they want you to buy the Scion xD. Which is a fine vehicle anyway, so just go buy that instead.

+1

[ItalianYaris]

a yaris comparable to the xD, let's see..........

liftback 5 door S
msrp 15,125
epa 29/36

scion xD
msrp 15,450
epa 26/32
both automatics


and guess which one will be marked up by the dealer because it "saves on gas" ?

and for that extra couple hundred dollars, you get a much nicer interior, better seats, more power, a better stereo, more room.

so yeah, not to sound like an ass or anything. I know is only a game of badges, but seriously! Do you actually believe that this thing:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z180/gpvg/scion_xd_newjpg.jpg

Is better looking than this?

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z180/gpvg/PIC-0300.jpg

Boy, that is the real reason why the US is not getting cars like the TS and the Type R, etc.

[ItalianYaris]

The 4.6 Mustang, not 5.0, is rated at 300hp and 315hp
Their 5.4 is rated at 500hp, and around 600hp
Not counting special build Mustangs that can be bought right off the Ford showroom floor...(Saleen 4.6, 550hp - Roush 4.6, 510hp - Steeda 5.0, 650hp)

ZR1, 6.2, 638hp, 0-60mph 3.4 seconds
CTS-V, 6.2, 556hp, 0-60mph 3.9 seconds

...or a working man's car like my old '05 GTO, when stock, 6.0, 400hp, 0-60 4.7 seconds

Yes, I agree! But still, you talk about a 4.6 liter V8 being amazing and rated at 300HP, when a STI UK edition hits over 315 HP being a 2.0 liter 4 cyl. and not to mention the price. I dont argue that the US has amazing cars, i mean, the new camaro, just stunning! but before a ZR1, I would go for a porsche, and before a CTS-V, I would go for an M3 or an M5. My father had the pleasure of owning a Zr1, it lasted 2 weeks before one of the cyl. decided to break thru the bonnet, apparently a manufacturing fault, or so chevy said. So yeah. that was the end of that. :iono:

[PK198105]

sorry bump

[1stToyota]

Yes, I agree! But still, you talk about a 4.6 liter V8 being amazing and rated at 300HP, when a STI UK edition hits over 315 HP being a 2.0 liter 4 cyl. and not to mention the price. I dont argue that the US has amazing cars, i mean, the new camaro, just stunning! but before a ZR1, I would go for a porsche, and before a CTS-V, I would go for an M3 or an M5. My father had the pleasure of owning a Zr1, it lasted 2 weeks before one of the cyl. decided to break thru the bonnet, apparently a manufacturing fault, or so chevy said. So yeah. that was the end of that. :iono:

The STI couldn't do it without forced induction, that's why the stock 4.6 Mustang makes 300hp and 315hp, but the forced induction 4.6s that I mentioned make 510hp and 550hp. And over here the STI is about 10 grand more than a Mustang GT. Funny that you mentioned the M5...it did really good in last weeks Motorweek's CTS-V vs the M5...close, but CTS-V beat the M5 in the quarter mile, lap times...almost every test that was done, even at the gas pump. They even mentioned that the CTS-V could be bought, with enough money left over to pick up a new Series 1 BMW, for the price of the M5.

[Tamago]

so yeah, not to sound like an ass or anything. I know is only a game of badges, but seriously! Do you actually believe that this thing:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z180/gpvg/scion_xd_newjpg.jpg

Is better looking than this?

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z180/gpvg/PIC-0300.jpg

Boy, that is the real reason why the US is not getting cars like the TS and the Type R, etc.

this will be my final post on yarisworld.

i love that you're comparing a bone stock xD to a modified yaris. very clever.

i can do the same!

http://www.auto123.com/media/videos/specs/2007/toyota/en/yaris_hatchback.jpg

vs

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/3/web/2919000-2919999/2919023_54_full.jpg

beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. the yaris looks cheap and out dated.

[Thirty-Nine]

Personally, I like the looks of the Yaris better than the xD, but that's just my opinion. Like Tamago said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[PETERPOOP]

beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. the yaris looks cheap and out dated.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff259/stonecoldnimrod/DSCF0461.jpg


xAs for the win!

[CtrlAltDefeat]

I'm sorry, but the xD looks like a mini van even when modded. It looks like a modded mini van. I understand that it comes with better standard features but the extra $2400 (msrp) is not worth it for an ugly van err car. It's also interesting that for it's extra hp, the xD's power to weight ratio is 20lb/hp and the Yaris is 21lb/hp not that much of a difference. Oh and it's also of note that the Yaris' user rating on msn autos is higher then the xD in all categories (including performance and styling), with 10s in quality and recommendation. I have owned mine for about 9 months now and love every trip in it. I still find myself admiring it when I'm walking towards it... For the price, Yaris is the best! :thumbup:

[ddongbap]

Even the xD has the Yaris A/C controls, except sideways.

[1stToyota]

I'm sorry, but the xD looks like a mini van even when modded. It looks like a modded mini van. I understand that it comes with better standard features but the extra $2400 (msrp) is not worth it for an ugly van err car. It's also interesting that for it's extra hp, the xD's power to weight ratio is 20lb/hp and the Yaris is 21lb/hp not that much of a difference. Oh and it's also of note that the Yaris' user rating on msn autos is higher then the xD in all categories (including performance and styling), with 10s in quality and recommendation. I have owned mine for about 9 months now and love every trip in it. I still find myself admiring it when I'm walking towards it... For the price, Yaris is the best! :thumbup:

+1 :thumbsup:

I've owned mine for over a year and feel the same way about my little Yaris. I'd maybe smile a little more if I was walking towards an Audi A5 tho' :wink:

[tomato]

so yeah, not to sound like an ass or anything. I know is only a game of badges, but seriously! Do you actually believe that this thing:

(SCION XD image here)

Is better looking than this?

(YARIS image here)



:thumbsup: +10 ! IMO, the style of the Yaris is FAR superior to the Scion, the Fit, and a couple of other subcompact cars in the US. It just is! I get a lot of compliments on the way she looks.

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

this thread is worthless without tamago's scion input....

[PETERPOOP]

Please no.

[ItalianYaris]

Sorry friend, but that is so not a modified yaris, the red yaris is a stock yaris TS.

this will be my final post on yarisworld.

i love that you're comparing a bone stock xD to a modified yaris. very clever.

i can do the same!

http://www.auto123.com/media/videos/specs/2007/toyota/en/yaris_hatchback.jpg

vs

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/3/web/2919000-2919999/2919023_54_full.jpg

beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. the yaris looks cheap and out dated.

[MadMax]

this will be my final post on yarisworld.

i love that you're comparing a bone stock xD to a modified yaris. very clever.

i can do the same!

http://www.auto123.com/media/videos/specs/2007/toyota/en/yaris_hatchback.jpg

vs

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/3/web/2919000-2919999/2919023_54_full.jpg

beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. the yaris looks cheap and out dated.

I would still rather have the Yaris!

I am not a fan of the latest series of "boxcars" (xD, Kia Soul or Nissan Cube), the look like delivery vans to me. The xA--although on the same platform as the Yaris--looks like a rollerskate.

"Cheap and outdated?" Dude, get a clue! Anyone who insults a car on its own forum is a real assclown! Goodbye, and good riddance

[1stToyota]

I would still rather have the Yaris!

I am not a fan of the latest series of "boxcars" (xD, Kia Soul or Nissan Cube), the look like delivery vans to me. The xA--although on the same platform as the Yaris--looks like a rollerskate.

"Cheap and outdated?" Dude, get a clue! Anyone who insults a car on its own forum is a real assclown! Goodbye, and good riddance

Kia Soul isn't too bad, Nissan Cube looks nasty, xD looks best of the 3 imo. Prefer my Yaris, of course, but I could be pretty happy an a manual xD in the right color and with the upgraded Pioneer HU.

[tomato]

I would still rather have the Yaris!

I am not a fan of the latest series of "boxcars" .. the look like delivery vans to me.

I agree. The "boxy" look is kind of a turn off :frown:

[JetfireK]

car companies do this all the time. every other markets gets the cars as they should be we just get watered down versions low on power or never at all. the exception was the Wrx sti JDM one had like 260-280 hp while the usdm one had 300hp.

As far as why, beats me:iono:

I am "guessing" its because Americans buy the powerful cars like Corvettes, and in general have/HAD plenty of money for gas Toyota and others ship their go faster models that America is NOW interested in because of our economy. It just "Shows" to go "Ya"!

[Lucas13]

That's right, good example a ford mustang GT, what a waste of metal, a Nissan 370Z has more power and is a v6

[constantin]

Guys ... where does Toyota make the normal Yarii that come to the US.
We have a factory in Europe, France where they make the normal Yaris. The TS is only made in Japan so I guess that's why they don't sell it in the US.

And believe me ... you are not missing out on anything spectacular. With the money difference you can pimp out a 1.5 Yaris, and make it look 10 time better than the TS. The only great things about the TS are the monster brakes and the indicators. I am really sad ... I can only do so little to it. :wub:

[PHXDEMON]

Toyota USA doesn't give you the TS here because they want you to buy the Scion xD. Which is a fine vehicle anyway, so just go buy that instead.

Too bad the xD is ugly as hell :cry: :barf:

[PHXDEMON]

Guys ... where does Toyota make the normal Yarii that come to the US.
We have a factory in Europe, France where they make the normal Yaris. The TS is only made in Japan so I guess that's why they don't sell it in the US.

And believe me ... you are not missing out on anything spectacular. With the money difference you can pimp out a 1.5 Yaris, and make it look 10 time better than the TS. The only great things about the TS are the monster brakes and the indicators and .3 liters more displacement. I am really sad ... I can only do so little to it. :wub:

Fixed.

[TheRealEnth]

we got crappy yaris... but thats not true whatsoever.. we usually get way better cars than japan... Usually their top contenders end up being more powerful overhere... or on paper atleast... Europe is the one that gets everything bangin fast

[constantin]

Not really dude. We don't get the real US muscle. Cadillac sells only the CTS here. The rest ... are personal imports ... and that's expensive.

[scape]

I just want the 1.8l

[Russelt3hPirate]

I just want the 1.8l

swap one in.

rumor has it, they are cheap. :)

[scape]

swap one in.

rumor has it, they are cheap. :)

the shipping seems like it would be expensive...also is the layout flipped b/c of the drive position?

[Nico4960]

Here it is : Yaris made in Europe 1.8l Compressor 215 HP :thumbup:

http://www.trc-tuning.com/_products/_toyota_lexus/_yaris_verso/_yaris_2005/_trc_yaris_xp9_compressor_02f.jpg

http://www.trc-tuning.com/_products/_toyota_lexus/_yaris_verso/_yaris_2005/_trc_yaris_xp9_compressor_03f.jpg

http://www.trc-tuning.com/_products/_toyota_lexus/_yaris_verso/_yaris_2005/_trc_yaris_xp9_compressor_04f.jpg

http://www.trc-tuning.com/_products/_toyota_lexus/_yaris_verso/_yaris_2005/_trc_yaris_ts_compressor_01f.jpg

http://www.trc-tuning.com/_products/_toyota_lexus/_yaris_verso/_yaris_2005/_trc_yaris_ts_compressor_02f.jpg

http://www.trc-tuning.com/_products/_toyota_lexus/_yaris_verso/_yaris_2005/_trc_yaris_ts_compressor_04f.jpg

[Russelt3hPirate]

the shipping seems like it would be expensive...also is the layout flipped b/c of the drive position?

you can find them local to you, xD.

get engine and trans and ECU.

swap it in.

then sell your 1nz make back some $$.

[CASTREX]

you can find them local to you, xD.

get engine and trans and ECU.

swap it in.

then sell your 1nz make back some $$.


Yeap.... you don't need to import it.

You just need the engine and ECU from a Scion xD.

From what I can see on my TS against a regular 1.5 1NZ the only difference is the engine mount on the left side of the engine. You will need to use the one from a xD as well. Other than that, the other supports are the same.

It should be a pretty straight forward swap. If you could find the engine for cheap, then this swap will put you on the same power level a blitz supercharged Yaris... for about the same cost. But with more potential for improvement.

We all remeber the infamous Richard Holdener making 145whp out of this 2ZR engine with his bolt ons..... :brokenheart:

[CASTREX]

Oh... and regarding the TRC Kompressor Yaris...

That is an amazing and clean looking set up...

But iirc the full kit was over $10K :eek: out of the reach for 99.99% of the yaris owners. A real shame. :frown:

[Tamago]

If you could find the engine for cheap, then this swap will put you on the same power level a blitz supercharged Yaris... for about the same cost. But with more potential for improvement.


xD with ECU can be had for under $2000

and remember you'll make more torque at a lower RPM with the 1.8 :)

[CASTREX]

...No replacement for displacement.


I'm sure this swap will be popular within a couple of years...

The Yariss are just starting to change hands... as soon as it becomes a more affordable second hand car... I'm sure we will see more "creative" mods out there....


Turbotoyotas (NOT that I would advise anyone buying anything from them...) is finally finishing their turbo kit for the xD. That is a start for this platform.

From what I can see.... everything is out there.... suspension, LSD's we just need boost.... for the 2ZR

[scape]

2000$ for new, or a junked/rebuilt engine from a crash? it's tempting to go to 1.8, but couldn't a big bore or atleast swap out the top half of the motor?
or is it really that much different of an engine?

[Russelt3hPirate]

it'd be easier/more reliable to do a full swap.

the second you take a motor apart you've just reduced the reliability, so be prepared to do it again.

[scape]

off of wikipedia: [2ZR-FE] Output for this engine is rated at 132 hp (98 kW) at 6000 rpm and 128 lb·ft (174 N·m) of torque at 4400 rpm for the Corolla, Matrix, and Vibe and 128 hp and 126 lb ft of torque in the Scion xD.

why is the xD lower rated?
i also wonder how much heavier this engine is...

[Tamago]

off of wikipedia: [2ZR-FE] Output for this engine is rated at 132 hp (98 kW) at 6000 rpm and 128 lb·ft (174 N·m) of torque at 4400 rpm for the Corolla, Matrix, and Vibe and 128 hp and 126 lb ft of torque in the Scion xD.

why is the xD lower rated?
i also wonder how much heavier this engine is...

it's just a number to keep the car from outselling the corolla (to the number freaks)

i'd guarantee the output is identical between xD and corolla/matrix.

engine should weigh no more than 30lbs heavier.

[scape]

answered my own question: from what I found, about 30lbs heavier, just incase anyone was curious, haha

[scape]

haha beat me too it tamago

[Tamago]

haha beat me too it tamago

and mine was a SWAG lmfao

[aeipee13]

The JDM sti cylinders are sleeved. There are lame emissions or engine power laws in Japan where almost every (fast) car on paper is 280 HP via choking the engine with smaller pipping. USDM Sti just has bigger numbers but the motor is not better. Japan wouldn't play themselves like that.

car companies do this all the time. every other markets gets the cars as they should be we just get watered down versions low on power or never at all. the exception was the Wrx sti JDM one had like 260-280 hp while the usdm one had 300hp.

As far as why, beats me:iono:

[Russelt3hPirate]

The JDM sti cylinders are sleeved. There are lame emissions or engine power laws in Japan where almost every (fast) car on paper is 280 HP via choking the engine with smaller pipping. USDM Sti just has bigger numbers but the motor is not better. Japan wouldn't play themselves like that.

the #'s were like that due to a gentleman's agreement.

the cars put out more power (well some did).

Japan agreed not to get into a Horsepower war. Probably a big reason why they have built small, HP, good emissions motors.

the USDM STi didn't need to comply, and the US Market tends to like bigger motors with more torque.

the 2.5ltr STI motor has inferior heads and turbo to the JDM/EDM 2.0ltr STI.

There are plenty of Tuning Shops in Japan picking up the 2.5ltr block and building it.

the Forester STi in Japan came with the 2.5ltr STI motor we see here in the states.

[aeipee13]

That makes sense. I thought there was a 280 hp limit on cars though.

[scape]

i thought it was a liter displacement issue in japan, none over 2 liters for passenger cars...
but look at the sr20det engine, that was a phenomenal engine with just 2 liters displacement. out the door on the Silvia it was 217 hp at only 7 psi. too bad that kind of engineering does not usually make it across the pacific...

[Tamago]

i thought it was a liter displacement issue in japan, none over 2 liters for passenger cars...
but look at the sr20det engine, that was a phenomenal engine with just 2 liters displacement. out the door on the Silvia it was 217 hp at only 7 psi. too bad that kind of engineering does not usually make it across the pacific...

explain the RB25 then ;)
RB26
1JZGTE
2JZGTE

[scape]

touche'
;D

perhaps this is closer to why engines are often small in japan: wikipedia on japan engines in japan: "taxation by classes of displacement plus a vehicle weight tax"

either way, their version of the same cars still rock more ;P

[Tamago]

.... and they feel the same way about ours

[Russelt3hPirate]

That makes sense. I thought there was a 280 hp limit on cars though.

nope, just a paper "limit".

i thought it was a liter displacement issue in japan, none over 2 liters for passenger cars...
but look at the sr20det engine, that was a phenomenal engine with just 2 liters displacement. out the door on the Silvia it was 217 hp at only 7 psi. too bad that kind of engineering does not usually make it across the pacific...

there are pretty hefty "fees" for larger displacement motors

Japan also has better gas slightly then we do with a lower sulfur content, another reason the US got shitty engines.

[Sabretooth]

the #'s were like that due to a gentleman's agreement.


Recently this has been changed, AFAIK, most of the newer and "peppier" (GT-R, etc) cars that Japan is putting out come with a natural speed limiter in them. Making where they cant hit above a preset speed limit, but this is GPS controlled so it will simply turn off in areas that the Gov't has deemed appropriate (race courses).

In quick reference, you can accelerate as fast as you want, technically...even though there are prolly some laws against that, but once you hit a certain top speed, your electronically goverened there.

Note that these conditions are straight from the showroom, you can have a shop remove the device, and it often done to "free" your new monster of a car.

[Russelt3hPirate]

Japan has always had stupid limiters on the cars 200km/h usually.

the GT-R is not a good car to compare, it's got more gizmos then any other car coming out of Japan.

the Gentleman's agreement was lifted a few years back, but many of them still stay pretty close to the "mark".

it wouldn't make sense for residual values if 2 identical cars only 1 year apart had drastically different "published" HP #'s.

either way, the new R35 GT-R is a huge nanny. haha, if you go to one of the "approved" "race tracks" and don't take it in for service within 72 hrs of doing so your warranty is voided (powertrain anyway). :rofl:

[woof]

There's no way the xD can be the offset to the TS here. When I first closed the door on an xD I immediately wondered: Where did the room go? It felt cramped from the side and closed in unlike the Yaris which is open and airy. Plus the xD is on the same wheelbase as the Yaris hatch and the rear doors mean almost nothng.

I see the xD as a total screw up for Scion.

The xB should have been the CUBE. That is what the xB should have become...a larger, more comfortable ride with a 122 hp 1.8 and CVT. Instead, Toyota copped out with a boxy Camry at a lower price and seriously less MPG. What were they thinking.

I haven't drive a CUBE yet but I will unless Scion gives us something appealing with more MPG and less sheet metal.

[scape]

the xB had, if I'm not mistaken, at best 108 hp engine and it upset many owners for lack of any acceleration, I doubt 122 would have made the difference, seeing how they enlarged the dimensions it probably weighed more on the second gen too. perhaps you mean 132, which is their 1.8l engine; and i agree would be a good size i think.
as of now it's got almost as much acceleration as the corolla xrs; that's sad for corolla: which should have had the bumped 2.5l (169 and 179hp i think it is).

[Tamago]

I see the xD as a total screw up for Scion..

no more than the new xB.


deciding that bigger is better is the screwup by scion/toyota..