Yaris Motor Swap Thread *Read before posting swap threads*

[Sabretooth]

Well, I lost the old thread back in the hack, so finally got around to wanting to redo the thread, hope you enjoy. Hopefully it will sticky this time

First lets start with catagorizing particular motors that have been tested, proven, and thought about being swapped into our Yaris'

Proven: This is the basic section in which a motor has been swapped and documented to work.
-2zzge (Celica GT-S Motor,1.8L 180ish HP) Proven Sedan, and older gen Echo Hatch only.
-4age Blacktop/Silvertop (1.6L 160hp) Proven swapped into an older gen Echo Hatch only
-4agze 16 valve (1.6L Superchared) Proven swapped into a newer Yaris, overseas, but documented. Motor was then changed over to a turbocharged setup for more HP.
-DRIFT YARIS: I dont have information off hand, other than it is a RWD placement using an older Tacoma motor for the powerplant, All custom drivetrain, etc.

Tested: Experimeted, but not finished or proven
-4G63 (Lancer Evolution Motor, 2.0L Turbocharged) Swap was to be in progress but not documented as finished overseas.

Thought of and Discussed: Self explanitory, I did seperate this into two catagories.
Practicle, but likely not to fit without heavy modification.
-3gste (MR2 Turbocharged Motor) 2.0L Turbo
-3gse (MR2 Beams Motor) 2.0L N/A
-2azfe (Scion TC/Scion Xb2.0 Motor) 2.4L N/A

WHY?!?!
-K20 (Civic SI/RSX Motor) 2.0L N/A
-B18 (Civic Motor) 1.8L N/A
-B16 (Civic Motor) 1.6L N/A
-13B (RX7 Motor) 1.3L N/A or Turbocharged
-Renesis (RX8 Motor) 1.3L N/A

Ok, lets get down to business:

1. Motor Swap intro
With all motor swaps, there are two things your going to need: Time and Money, without both; your project is dead in the water before it stands. Motor swaps are not an overnight deal, you can just wrench it up in a weekend for a car like ours. There is a lot of time taken into changing wiring harnesses, coverting throttle types, custom piping for exhaust and intake systems, then there is modification to any structure of the car (firewall, etc), not to mention any custom parts you might need to order, or fabricate. If you dont have a second car, I wouldnt expect you to try and do this without having another form of getting around for 3-4 weeks, depending on who is doing the job and how much time is being invested daily.

Money is a precious thing when it comes to a swap, if you dont do it right...you could be left with a car that looks new, but runs like a clunker. All used motors need to be broken down, inspected, tested, and cleared by the mechanic or installer to see if there are any major issues that need to be fixed or addressed before the motor you just spent up to $4000 is placed into your car. Not just are the engines costly, a 4age can run you $800 bucks for a good mileage one. A 2zzge can run you almost $4000 for transmission and all, best bet is to check before you buy. Sometimes you can find just as much horsepower in a smaller, or cheaper engine.

Money is also another factor when it comes to installing the motor, when you start working, nothing is going to just bolt right up and wire in. You are NOT working on a Honda, so be prepared to start cutting, splicing, etc. That you will be more than likely fabricating new parts or modifying existing ones to make them work. This can take both time and money, depending what you are having done. Custom driveshafts could take a week, seeing where they are being sourced or made from. Nothing is going to be easy, even a experienced mechanic will let you know this one when it comes to doing a new Toyota swap.

You can only expect one thing, lots of time and money leaving you, totaling into the weeks and possibly months, and up into the $5-6k range, depending on cost of parts and labor. This number could reach into the $10k+ range, also pending you are going to further modify the engine before or after install.

2.Basic already known knowledge about swaps for the Yaris

From a personal aspect, I will include one thing, IF you are going to modify the engine of in which you are placing into the car, please do so BEFORE putting it in the Yaris, say if you change an intake manifold after you put it in the car, it might not work anymore...this problem could have been addressed and fixed prior to install.

So far we know a bit about doing swaps for the Yaris, there are basically a couple people who have gone in depth to check into, or swap out a motor themselves. So far only 1 motor swap has been done in the US, rest are from Canada, Puerto Rico, and Thailand, others may apply...depending on sources.

So far the only information we have on parts that bolt up with Yaris parts from other motors:
-Throttle bodies from 1zzge motors will work on a Yaris, but throws a CEL unless modified.
-Transmission parts from the Xa/Xb/Echo will work on a Yaris, consult previous threads for more information on specific parts.
-RUMOR: That a 4age series motor has the same transmission housing as the Yaris, I have yet to find supporting information to confirm this, but it has been spread around enough to be considered possible.

[kenkyd]

WHY?!?!
-K20 (Civic SI/RSX Motor) 2.0L N/A
-B18 (Civic Motor) 1.8L N/A
-B16 (Civic Motor) 1.6L N/A
-13B (RX7 Motor) 1.3L N/A or Turbocharged
-Renesis (RX8 Motor) 1.3L N/A


i know why they are in a "why?!?!" section, but how come those specific ones are mentioned? just because of smaller size? i wish i could put in a wankel.

[Malaya1221]

how about a busa?
1340 cc (82 cu in), 4-stroke, four-cylinder, liquid-cooled, DOHC, 16-valve

[supmet]

The 3S-GTE engine is also found in celicas(GT4 = AWD) Doing a full custom AWD/3sgte swap from a celica GT4 to a yaris would pretty much be my dream swap.

The only problem is, that is one huge engine to squeeze into the yaris.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/3SGTEengine.jpg

[at3GG]

i think the sr20 should be a distant consideration as well...

[xbalance]

Is there any engine is a direct fit to the engine bay mean dont need to mod the engine mounting location?

[at3GG]

highly doubt it

[eTiMaGo]

in theory the 1.8L 2ZR-FE from the European-spec Yaris TS (and also the same engine as used on the new Corolla and Scion xD), as I highly doubt Toyota would have two totally different bodies for each engine. But, with "just" 130hp, it's not exactly worth the swap... unless it can be built up to much much higher levels, but I don't think that has been proven yet....

[cali yaris]

1. take 1.5L out
2. put built/stroked 1.6L in
3. turn up the boost... a lot.
4. have a nice day.

[Morgan]

The 3S-GTE engine is also found in celicas(GT4 = AWD) Doing a full custom AWD/3sgte swap from a celica GT4 to a yaris would pretty much be my dream swap.

The only problem is, that is one huge engine to squeeze into the yaris.



the 3s weighs like 360+lbs... thats an extra 200lbs from the 1nz

what about a 4efte instead??

[xen555]

WHY?!?!

-13B (RX7 Motor) 1.3L N/A or Turbocharged



why not??

that the swap i will do if a i have the money and if my wife dissapear!!!

Stock Motor with 2 rotors $ 800 - 1200
Displacement 1308cc
Power Output 255bhp @7k
Torque 220lb-ft @5k
Redline 8000 rpm
0-60 mph 5.1 s
Qtr. Mile 14.0s @100 mph
Est. Top Speed 159 mph

and with a turbo setup and ported rotors u can fly low...

to bad the yaris is my daily drive, but some day... some day i will do this swap... plus i love the rotor engine sound and the motor have the size of a 5 gals. bottle

[dallas]

Only if you run a sucessful online Tuner business and spend all your hard earned cash on your Yaris :biggrin:

1. take 1.5L out
2. put built/stroked 1.6L in
3. turn up the boost... a lot.
4. have a nice day.

[justjesus]

Odd. I toyed with the idea of a Honda B16 in a yaris.

[WRW76]

ive been wondering about the 4efte engines as i have owned 2 starlet turbos in the past both running over 200bhp.

[constantin]

I looked around the engine bay of my sister's 1.3 Yaris and I can say that the 2ZRFE ( 1.8 Dual VVT-i) will surely fit but as it has been said before: WHY? The power gain is minimal and this type of engine is very hard to modify.

In my opinion the best choice would be ( money not being an issue) the Celica 1.8 192BHP. The size is a bit smaller than my 2ZRFE and a lot of mods are available.

[Sabretooth]

Can Anyone confirm the engine dimentions for the 2zz vs. the 2ZR?

[Mouse]

What about the 1.8 BP out of the old Mercury Capri's.....It's the same motor that was in the miata... just in FWD form.....Not to mention all of the NA goodies that are out there for the miata...including ITRBs.

[xen555]

rotary engine :thumbup: this modifed engine 13b stage 2 only cost $2500 and see the number at 16psi lbs. of boost and the rotor engine can hold 24 lbs of boost... here in puerto rico theres a lot a modified cars with this type of engines making 9 sec. at the 1/4 miles and with a little more money they are making 7 to 8 sec. imagine that power in a car that weight almost 600 lbs. less than the rx7

[jouna]

i'll stay with the 2zzfe they are pulling over 200bhp n/a in pr scary shit in the strip

[SEVEN]

See you guys are not thinking outside the box!!! Lets just put in a 2JZ!!!! Sure we would have to sit in the rear seats but hey!!! It'll be worth it!!! Imagine a twin turbo 2jz YARIS!!! Putting out 600whp!!!!

[Mouse]

For that I'd rather throw in a RB26DETT(with the AWD) and whoop the 2JZ's ass......There is a video on youtube of I think either a Mines or Tommy Kaira Skyline against a Power House Amuse Supra. The Skyline just kicks the supras ass.

Other notable swaps......how bout the 4G63 from the older eclipses and Evos.

Here is the Video.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK0uyCnY3m8

[Mouse]

How about a 1.8l V6 from the MX-3's...I think the engine designation is K8

[RS07]

how about a busa?
1340 cc (82 cu in), 4-stroke, four-cylinder, liquid-cooled, DOHC, 16-valve

x2

It has been done it the Smart, so why not in our cars ? Would be nice.

[aeipee13]

I think the 2zzge would be the most "true to form" swap for a new yaris. Has anyone even attempted it yet (in a hatch)? Anything but a Toyota engine would be blasphemy!

[etheliters]

I agree. Seems like there aren't any swap yaris hatch here. If your out there check in. were interested!!

[Attitude]

Hello
ive got vitz with 1szfe, i am willing to swap the engine
the available engines in my country is 1nzfe, are you people in favour of that ? it comes bolt on, no issues
please reply thanks

[thepaidtraveler]

rotary engine :thumbup: this modifed engine 13b stage 2 only cost $2500 and see the number at 16psi lbs. of boost and the rotor engine can hold 24 lbs of boost... here in puerto rico theres a lot a modified cars with this type of engines making 9 sec. at the 1/4 miles and with a little more money they are making 7 to 8 sec. imagine that power in a car that weight almost 600 lbs. less than the rx7



Now that's a swap worth considering! There are lots of Rotorys around this country. I had thought about this about 2 months ago. Not only would it be different but it would probably be pretty neat to see.

[Saskatchewan17]

A 13b would be rediculously sick.
Same with an SR20. Is there room for a Nissan RB series engine? I'm guessing no way in hell.
Also to consider would be a B6T from the old Mazda 323 GTX.

[sheraz2000]

hi guyz, i have a vitz with 1KR-FE 1.0 L 68HP small engine in my car. yesterday while going around the scrap market, i found out many half-cuts of Vitz with 1NZ-FE. The engine was complete with an auto tranny, genuine wires and the ECU.

What i am wondering is, will the ECU cause me any problems at such a transplant. Even though the ECU is coming along with the engine, but will it be able to adjust to the new environment ?

The Engine mounts : Do i need to alter them at any point or will the newer engine fit bolt-to-bolt ?

What about the axels ??

Do i need the front shocks to be changed aswell ??

the cost of this transplant is not much, but what my concern is that is doing such, i dont loose my car at all?

please advise ....

[Marfulion]

how bout a built hayabusa engine? 200+ hp n/a, 10,000 RPM, anyone?

[Sabretooth]

:w00t:hi guyz, i have a vitz with 1KR-FE 1.0 L 68HP small engine in my car. yesterday while going around the scrap market, i found out many half-cuts of Vitz with 1NZ-FE. The engine was complete with an auto tranny, genuine wires and the ECU.

What i am wondering is, will the ECU cause me any problems at such a transplant. Even though the ECU is coming along with the engine, but will it be able to adjust to the new environment ?

The Engine mounts : Do i need to alter them at any point or will the newer engine fit bolt-to-bolt ?

What about the axels ??

Do i need the front shocks to be changed aswell ??

the cost of this transplant is not much, but what my concern is that is doing such, i dont loose my car at all?

please advise ....

These are all things you would need to get advise locally from a mechanic that specializes in motor swaps...

Here in the US NO ONE has swapped a motor into our cars that naturally doesnt belong there, a couple of us have swapped 1.5L engines from another Yaris or even an Xb, but nothing scary and new...



how bout a built hayabusa engine? 200+ hp n/a, 10,000 RPM, anyone?

Anything is possible, the motor should easily fit, seeing that they could fit it isnt a smart car, I dont see why a Yaris would be any different if not easier. The case is, finding an engine and finding a shop that is willing to do it.

With enough $$$$ you can make anything happen, Even probably shove a 350 small block in the back ;)

[Marfulion]

there is an abundant amount of hayabusa engines on ebay, all for less than 2k, but iam wondering now that you would probably need a different transmission as those bike transmissions are geared for a bikes weight, i wonder how they did with the smart car..

[revoturbo]

some one in indonesia built yaris with 3SGTE engine & 4wd !!! (swap engine ex celica st 205)..

[dougiefresh188]

if u need some oen to drive that 2jz yari i can sit in the back seet and still reach the controls. being 6'4 has its advantages

[george1973]

The 3S-GTE engine is also found in celicas(GT4 = AWD) Doing a full custom AWD/3sgte swap from a celica GT4 to a yaris would premtty much be my dream swap.

The only problem is, that is one huge engine to squeeze into the yaris.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/3SGTEengine.jpg

This is my dream too my friend...And i done it...........

[H3LlIoN]

Holy Shit! You can't come in here, drop something like that, and expect to walk out. Pics/details like NOW! That's badass dude.

Functional AWD, or just engine/tranny swap?

[06silveryaris]

How about a 1.8l V6 from the MX-3's...I think the engine designation is K8

Well they put it in the mazda 323 hb and its a good combo:burnrubber:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AACd9YZlh5E

[george1973]

Holy Shit! You can't come in here, drop something like that, and expect to walk out. Pics/details like NOW! That's badass dude.

Functional AWD, or just engine/tranny swap?

Motor hub st 205 FWD

[george1973]

Vibeo from dyno.0,7 bar pressure..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66ckzmkdj0g

[H3LlIoN]

Dude that thing is awesome. Congrats.

[Parmas]

Engine to get crazy with! what engine managment are you using? stock?

[george1973]

Engine to get crazy with! what engine managment are you using? stock?

Engine managment:Apexi power fc my friend.....

[cali yaris]

well done, 3rd gear pull?

is there video of it driving around?

[george1973]

thanks a lot guys.....i love that engine...the most fun is on the street,no one can imagine what is under the hood....it was one guy yesterday and he had a Honda s2000 and he can't believed in his eyes.he left to far behind....I could not believe his eyes.....

[Bluevitz-rs]

thanks a lot gays.....i love that engine...the most fun is on the street,no one can imagine what is under the hood....it was one gay yesterday and he had a Honda s2000 and he can't believed in his eyes.he left to far behind....I could not believe his eyes.....

Just to help you with your english spelling... You're typing out gay, as in "homosexual or queer." The word you're looking for is Guy

[turboecho2005]

sick! 3sgte for the win!

[george1973]

Just to help you with Cour english spelling... You're typing out gay, as in "homosexual or queer." The word you're looking for is Guy

thanks a lot my friend...my mistake...

[fnkngrv]

Just in case anyone would be interested this seems like a good deal on a 2zzge seeing as how it comes with not just the motor, but also the 6 speed tranny and ECU all for 2500 with free shipping:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-JDM-2ZZ-GE-VVTL-i-Motor-2ZZGE-Engine-2ZZ-Trans-/350352906107?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5192a9177b

[etheliters]

Why no mention of a euro 1.8 ts swap? Seems strange ...

[thebarber]

Why no mention of a euro 1.8 ts swap? Seems strange ...

ive talked about it....the 2zrfe swap, that is

started a thread or two about it on microimageonline.com

internet here not too quick at the moment, otherwise id find the thread links for you

[RXvedub]

My first post. I have an Echo with a celica 1zzfe TRD supercharged and a 6spd. AEM FIC 91oct

I dont know if its interesting anymore or not

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/rxvedub/echo/IMG_4957.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/rxvedub/echo/IMG_4959.jpg

[Sabretooth]

Very nice setup. All custom work and definitely original. Good job.

[thebarber]

My first post. I have an Echo with a celica 1zzfe TRD supercharged and a 6spd. AEM FIC 91oct

I dont know if its interesting anymore or not

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/rxvedub/echo/IMG_4957.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/rxvedub/echo/IMG_4959.jpg

wraiths old car?

[RXvedub]

wraiths old car?

Yes. I bought it as a chassis a few years ago. no motor stripped interior.

[thebarber]

Yes. I bought it as a chassis a few years ago. no motor striped interior.

i remember seeing the build for the s/c'd 1zz on echodrivers.com

nice to see its still in action...

[Bluevitz-rs]

i remember seeing the build for the s/c'd 1zz on echodrivers.com

nice to see its still in action...

Diddo!! I remember you put up a few build pictures and then left us in the dark wondering LOL.

Glad you posted it up :w00t:

[Rozzzzz]

do the 2ZR-fe fit bolt on in first generation vitz..or what else option do i have

currently running 1.0 manual.....1.5 can be done but to swap 1.8

urgent help needed

i had the second thought about 2ZZ-GE which came in XRS corolla and celica..but am not sure first generation vitz engine bay is enough to fit this engine

power difference is alot but both 1.8

[yarislady]

I know the size of the engine bay is pretty limited but what about an interesting mixed breed of Toyota and Chevy (It's been done before). Take a LSJ or LNF out of the Cobalt SS's , you would be losing roughly 400lbs on the low side of the weight spectrum and be gaining about 100hp. And the best thing about it is that they already run 14's consecutively and in our cars they would be in the 12's with just the swap.

[Scubaru Steve]

-RUMOR: That a 4age series motor has the same transmission housing as the Yaris, I have yet to find supporting information to confirm this, but it has been spread around enough to be considered possible.

there is a black yaris running around with a swaped 4age. dont know much about it though.

[ilikerice]

1.8 Dual VVT-i 2ZR-FE

Im interested in this engine.. if it come out of a TS, whats the chances of getting it imported to the states? Does anyone know if this is a direct bolt in engine? Im sure some wiring will be needed being its from a RHD.. im curious about this.. being a former crx owner, i have done jdm swaps in honda's.. im very interested in this engine now..

[ilikerice]

1.8-liter 2ZR-FEThe Toyota 2ZR-FE is a DOHC, 16-valve, 1.8 L (1797 cc) engine also equipped with Dual VVT-i. This new engine is now replacing the 1ZZ-FE engine in most applications. Output for this engine is rated at 132 hp (98 kW) at 6000 rpm and 128 lb·ft (174 N·m) of torque at 4400 rpm for the Corolla, Matrix, and Vibe and 128 hp and 126 lb ft of torque in the Scion xD.

Specifications:
Engine Type : In-Line 4-cylinder DOHC 16-valve
Bore x Stroke = 80.5 x 88.3 mm
Compression Ratio : 10.0:1
Weight : 97 kg (without fuel)
Applications:
Toyota Allion (ZRT260/265)
Toyota Premio (ZRT260/265)
Toyota Corolla (ZRE142/152)
Toyota Auris (ZRE152/154)
Toyota Yaris (ZSP90) (Europe only)
Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe (ZRE142) (North America only)
Scion xD (ZSP110)

got this from wiki... can someone explain to me what the bold stuff means? Also, the numbers i got underlined, whats the difference between these motors with these different engine codes?

[yarislady]

Its so funny how the motor only weighs 213lbs lol

[ilikerice]

didnt even realize that.. dayum. i think the eclipse 4g63 block alone weighs that much. killed my back lifting that on the engine stand

[enviri]

the bold stuff is the chassis code for the respective car.

[ilikerice]

ahh, ok, that makes sense. thanks enviri.

[thebarber]

iirc the 1nzfe is about 187lbs. blitz s/c and whatnot weighs about 35lbs.

ive looked into this swap as well, ilikerice. i think you need a passenger side engine mount from an xD as well as ecu and wiring harness. you'd want the 2zrfe intake manifold, throttle body, alternator (not sure we can reuse ours) and exhaust manifold (exhaust manifold should be for an xd).

from what i understand we can likely reuse our transmisison, but you'd likely want to pick up the flywheel for 2zrfe and likely a heavier-duty clutch. the xd exhaust manifold SHOULD also line up with our stock exhaust....

but nothing has been proven....yet

[ilikerice]

wow.. This is all sounding very do-able...

Everything you mentioned is actually very easy unless the engine mounts will need to be custom mounted to the body. If its just interchanging parts between the xD and yaris then I may have a project in the next year or two...

Im assuming the ecu will need to be from an xD also.. so some rewireing and sensor swapping will need to be done as well.. UNLESS... I can get a ecu from a Yaris TS..

I need wire diagrams now!

[cali yaris]

Will someone please do a motor swap soon?

I'm waiting to die, and I can't do it until someone completes a Yaris motor swap. Please help me out on this. :laugh:

[thebarber]

wow.. This is all sounding very do-able...

Everything you mentioned is actually very easy unless the engine mounts will need to be custom mounted to the body. If its just interchanging parts between the xD and yaris then I may have a project in the next year or two...

Im assuming the ecu will need to be from an xD also.. so some rewireing and sensor swapping will need to be done as well.. UNLESS... I can get a ecu from a Yaris TS..

I need wire diagrams now!

you'll want the ecu and wiring harness from an xd

the problem on my car is that i don't have abs, so im not entirely sure what ill do about the speed sensor/speedometer...

but im supercharged now....i don't know that ill ever get to this swap

[ilikerice]

I will get to it.. and will probably boost it also.. my only concern is time and room.. but yea.. im gonna start lookin in the junkyards for xD's to strip things off.. hopefully a motor in the near future.. if thats the case this seems like a very nice and easy swap..

So, im looking at engines on ebay and can easily get just the block and head for roughly 650+250shipping... not a bad deal.. but they also got motors with everything for around $1000-$1300+shipping.. There is ALOT of Corolla 2ZRFE motors around.. I'm thinking going with either block/head setup and im assuming xD and Corolla/matrix are interchangeable components like alt, P/S, and A/c compressors.. can someone verify this?

Sorry garm.. your probably gonna have to wait a couple more years before you can die..

not only do i wanna wait for warranty to expire first (or really close to it), i need to do alot more research and im going to go ahead and start gathering the motor and parts.

Now... WHO WANTS TO BUY A GSX SHELL and A HALF COMPLETE MOTOR? lol

[enviri]

btw here's a link for a 3S-GTE converted xD, im pretty sure since the XD and yaris share chassis, the install should be very similar. you can pm that guy for more info.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202097

[ilikerice]

hmm.. interesting.. thats a badass xD.. Ill look into that more deeply.. thanks enviri

[enviri]

or do you want a 3RZ (Tacoma 4cyl) inside a yaris?

http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/events2006/1074_257.jpg

[ilikerice]

absolutly not.. way too much fab work for my skills.. ill leave that to the skilled professionals. lol

[yarislady]

Why the hell would they convert it to rear wheel drive.... :(

[jpn6438]

My first post. I have an Echo with a celica 1zzfe TRD supercharged and a 6spd. AEM FIC 91oct

I dont know if its interesting anymore or not

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/rxvedub/echo/IMG_4957.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/rxvedub/echo/IMG_4959.jpg

By any chance that you can post up any write up that you have on the 1zz swap? Trying to get as much info that I can so that I can get a quote to get this done on my xA. So far I have a budget of $7k.

[w7ist]

Why the hell would they convert it to rear wheel drive.... :(

Because then it would be a proper car. ;)

The yaris would have a much bigger following if it had a proper set up like that.

Unfortunately its an ass dragger.

[ilikerice]

Because then it would be a proper car. ;)

The yaris would have a much bigger following if it had a proper set up like that.

Unfortunately its an ass dragger.

ehh, i agree and disagree with that one. look at the mini cooper S.. fwd, handles like a dream for only 180hp.

at autocross, side by side with a mini cooper.. I was taken back how close the wheel base looked. Yaris is just disigned to be eco friendly, not a corner hugger

[scioncrew]

Will someone please do a motor swap soon?

I'm waiting to die, and I can't do it until someone completes a Yaris motor swap. Please help me out on this. :laugh:

you can be the first Garm
:thumbup:

[cali yaris]

^ You mean "we", right? :wink:

[scioncrew]

lol i guess your wright WE can be the first.:thumbup:

[bzinn 1]

btw here's a link for a 3S-GTE converted xD, im pretty sure since the XD and yaris share chassis, the install should be very similar. you can pm that guy for more info.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202097

Seen it in person,crawled under it and looked and honestly it fit very well,welding skills of course are needed to mount it....was a cool ride.

[ArmyYaris]

would a 1zzfe fit in an 07 yaris? looking at a swap to do when i get back from deployment

[ttr125fan09]

i want this in a yaris :evil:
161bhp v4 based off the ls series
http://www.motusmotorcycles.com/kmv4.html

[Jedz123]

i want this in a yaris :evil:
161bhp v4 based off the ls series
http://www.motusmotorcycles.com/kmv4.html

I recognize that! That's a motorcycle engine design. Cycle World did an article on it. Called the Motus MST-R
http://www.cycleworld.com/2011/07/22/motus-mst-r-prototype-first-ride/

161 hp isn't anything too crazy for a motorcycle engine. from what i have heard that engine is a bit problematic hence why it hasn't gone into production yet.

The 1157cc motor that powers my Bandit 1200S dyno'd at my last dyno tune a respectable 134 hp to the wheel and 97ft/lbs of torque... That's wheel not crank ponies....Yes my bike is worked a bit but the bottom end is stock and the motor is the same cast as the one's that powered the frist GSX-R 1100s.


Now the Suzuki GSXR-1300R (AKA Hayabusa) 1340cc bumping out 178hp... Now that's a motor to drool about...
But I always hear motorcycle engines don't make the best swaps...

[CrankyOldMan]

I've done some parts research on toyodiy for the euro T-sport 2ZR-FE. The motor/trans side of the mounts are identical to the xD, but the body side are unique part numbers to the TS. The shifter cable is also a unique part number, assuming that you get the TS 6-speed EC6X transmission. That thing is completely different from the C5X series. If someone has access to a UK parts dealer, this could be a very easy swap.

[ilikerice]

this is very interesting to me also.. been pondering this swap for some time now. I have been going to the junk yards waiting for an xD to be totaled so I can get a look and take some measurements.

would the C5X bolt to the yaris 1nz and also the splines off the crank fit in the stock yaris tranny?

[CrankyOldMan]

would the C5X bolt to the yaris 1nz and also the splines off the crank fit in the stock yaris tranny?

The xD C50 uses the "same" bell housing and gearbox case as the Yaris. I say "same" because there are 2 different part numbers for the Yaris, depending on year of manufacture. The newer Yaris gearbox part number matches that of the xD, as does the bell housing.

I can't say with any certainty about the splines, but there seems to be a lot of possibilities of them being the same on the Yaris, Corolla, Matrix, Celica, etc. Looking up flywheel application charts for aftermarket items could help verify this. Even if there's a mismatch, the crank splines go into the flywheel, and the trans splines go into the clutch disc, so as long as the diameter and clearances are correct, it's not an issue.

[ilikerice]

this is becoming more and more likely then I expected.. I just want more displacement for the torque.. would like to turbo the 2zr afterwards.

thanks for the research your doing.. please keep us (may just be me) posted on things you find.

[thebarber]

if the 2zrfe bolts to the yaris transmission, it should make for an easier swap.

[CrankyOldMan]

if the 2zrfe bolts to the yaris transmission, it should make for an easier swap.

The 1.8L Matrix (1st gen?) has a C59 trans, which has pretty much identical mounting holes to the C50/C56. I've got one of each on a workbench at school that I can take pictures of at some point.

[yariseggvvti]

anyone swap 1.8L VVTL-i 180hp engine in the Yaris yet. I would like to know about the fitment and requirement. Thanks!

[10 Francis]

Personally, I am interested in the 4A-GE swap; I have a disassembled 4A that I took out of my MR2 sitting in storage, as well as a C52(?) transmission from a JDM AE92 Corolla.

[2greek4u]

The 1.8L Matrix (1st gen?) has a C59 trans, which has pretty much identical mounting holes to the C50/C56. I've got one of each on a workbench at school that I can take pictures of at some point.

I'm a new member on this Forum....but I have been forever on Newcelica.org( as "many"). I know the 2ZZ-GE inside and out. I know for a fact that the 1zz uses the C59 transmission and that one bolts up to the 2zz perfectly fine. So a 2ZZ swap wouldn't that hard...."IF" the C50/C56 has the same bolt pattern as the C59.
Of course there's the obvious engine supports that would need to be fabricated.
Bodywork modified/fortified(the subframe on the Yaris looks wimpy compared to the Celica).

You would need the Celica harness to be able to run the Power FC (Standalone) for the ecu.

The only hard part would be the axles fitting the hubs and finding a good 2ZZ with a C60 trans.
But is it worth.... it maybe not!.......but It does have "the" cool factor.

[TURBO YARIS]

2zz has been done in many cars in Puerto Rico. Do a search, I did a post about 2 years ago. I go into detail what need to be done

[1nzfe pwr]

ok i went and searched up something that put a smile on my face...you will see for yourself

http://www.microimageonline.com/forums/showthread.php/1308-Planning-a-2zzge-engine-swap-(need-some-help)/page2

a guy called raphael is from puertorico and did the 2zzge swap in his yaris,his friend commented on details of the swap. its the 19th post in this link. and makes it look not as complicated as we think.

[ilikerice]

yea.. that was back in 2010... and no update on that thread... unfortunately. But definitely sounds doable. I would like to get the 2zr from the xD and boost that instead personally. I love boost so I want a motor that I can easily fit a turbo under the hood also. I am still saving up for something.. either boost 1nz or find a junk yard xD with the wire harness still in tact so I can look see how much the wiring will end up.

[xnamerxx]

I've always been curious about importing the 2nz-fae from Europe or Japan makes a nuts 147 hp and 132 ft/lb tq and it should fit quite easily.


http://www.chukyogomu.com/new_page_14.htm

[yarisugi]

I think you meant 2ZR-FAE. If this is the case, it'd be more feasible to source an engine from a Scion XD which is a 2ZR-FE.
Also used in Japan's Vitz RS. Not a whole lot of difference.
If you can find a JDM 1NZ-FE with factory turbo from a Toyota Vitz TRD Turbo M model, that would be even better! Similar HP in a 1.5 ltr engine.

[RXvedub]

I have a suggestion for those wanting to swap. My front motor mount is a hybrid. Chassis half is Echo and motor half is Celica. I put a spacer in between because the motor sits higher in the echo than the celica.

Just sayin, it might work with 2zr-fe.

also, my transmission is a 6spd out of a JDM ae111 corola with a 2000 celica bell housing. hybrid again. I use an ae111 tranny because they have the same size axles. celica axles are thicker yoke.

[xnamerxx]

yes I did mean 2zr...the FE doesn't seem worth while as a swap since I can easily buy an XD that already has the motor and the chassis with far less work.

I really wish the engine bay was large enough to take the 3mz engine that would be a cool swap.

[thebarber]

yes I did mean 2zr...the FE doesn't seem worth while as a swap since I can easily buy an XD that already has the motor and the chassis with far less work.

I really wish the engine bay was large enough to take the 3mz engine that would be a cool swap.

Yaris is 300lbs lighter, though

[ilikerice]

Yaris is 300lbs lighter, though

personal opinion.. Yaris looks alot better.

[Bluevitz-rs]

http://youtu.be/bRkxTpJXzEI

Randomly came across this...

[xnamerxx]

I'm not going to argue semantics but even if you did build your own T Sport you're still gaining close to 200 lbs and if I'm going to go through the hassle of a motor swap which I'm forced to gain weight Id rather do it for more than a 22 hp bump is all I'm saying.

And yes I don't like the look of the XD either.

[thebarber]

I'm not going to argue semantics but even if you did build your own T Sport you're still gaining close to 200 lbs and if I'm going to go through the hassle of a motor swap which I'm forced to gain weight Id rather do it for more than a 22 hp bump is all I'm saying.

And yes I don't like the look of the XD either.

how are you gaining 200lbs? the engine weighs about 40lbs more than a 1nzfe

you gain as much weight as you do adding a blitz supercharger kit...i weighed mine when i had it.

intake/header/exhaust ive been seeing about 145whp/140wtq on corolla's...thats on 87 octane and on an oem ecu

i ran 135whp/130wtq with i/h/e and 91 octance on my yaris...

im not saying that an engine swap would be easy...it won't be. but oem reliable power is a plus in my books

[xnamerxx]

I was using the T sport as reference which weighs about 180lbs more than the standard car.

What corollas are you seeing that make 145 hp on 87 octane? I don't think I've seen a single corolla not powered by a 2zz make anywhere near that much power N/A but excluding that its still only 20 hp more and your adding weight in the worse possible place in front of the axle. I'm not saying a superchargers better but its substantially cheaper. Hell my competitor with a 1zz corolla didn't even break 125 and he built it to the limit of the rules.

If you take into account the cost of getting the ECU, Transmission, Engine, Axles, and accessories pus the time it takes to swap it it just doesn't feel like its worth it for such small gains.

If your dead set on swapping a motor getting the 2zz swapped would be a much better choice as the gains make sense plus the motor is far less limited than the 1zr and 1zz.

[thebarber]

2zrfre corollas on corolla9.com have been making it....if i recall correctly

castrex, a member on this board with a TS, pulled the dyno below

40lbs isnt THAT much to add to the front, and you'll be adding that with a supercharger and at least that with a turbo/intercooler setup

n/a 1zz's ive seen will top out about 140whp with cam's....and the cams really suck at low rpms

2zz is a great engine, but only really with the c60. the transmission case is longer than the engine bay is wide in the yaris, so you'll need to notch the frame for it to fit. can be done, but its not typically an in-your-driveway swap.

what im saying, is that since the 2zrfe is available and, in theory, bolts up to a standard yaris transmission, its a decent option for oem-reliable power (in my opinion). a "new" supercharger kit, if you can find it, are about $3200-3400, used about $2000. i still think the 2zrfe swap could be done for $1500-2000 if you can DIY

im still keeping watch for a yaris cheap enough for me to attempt an engine swap

castrex dyno
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b339/dabarber/yaris/castrexTSdyno.jpg

[xnamerxx]

I've seen that dyno float around many times and its always associated with RichardHoldener but basically its a custom intake manifold, intake, long tube, and race exhaust which adds a considerable amount of cost to the project plus those parts don't exist and no one has been able to duplicate them so I don't believe its real. Most of the dynos fall in the low 120's to low 130's with high 110's being the norm for stock. I'm just saying 140's are unlikely to be seen from a 2zr swap.

40lbs is quite a bit of weight to add for 20hp but even so you still need an all the supporting parts to make it work plus its such a small gain I don't think its worth the effort.

I don't see what the issue with the c50 transmission is, for a higher powered engine the gear ratio's aren't terrible you just need to get a better final drive but that's not even that big of an issue since the weight gain is 80 lbs total for an extra almost 80 hp plus you also have room to grow and the engine has way better aftermarket support whereas the 2zr does not. The only reason I can see someone going with the 2zr is if they wan't to remain CARB compliant in which case I'd just sell the car and buy something else because it would be far easier and less of a hassle to get the power you want and still remain emissions compliant.

Like I said before I'd much rather swap to 3mz or a 2gr or even a 2az before I'd even consider a 2zr engine simply because the gains are more inline with someone who's modding a car would expect for power output.

[thebarber]

aucorium ran 145/140 whp/wtq
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40105

guy on matrixowners.com ran 118whp with intake, header, axleback on a slushbox. that could be about 135whp with a proper transmission. also, keep in mind that the stock matrix/corolla/xd exhaust shrinks down to 1.75" (like the yaris) after the resonator, so removing the axleback/muffler section only would have less gains than adding a midpipe (available now through rpm headers, actually)

anyways, i see what you're saying, the cost/benefit ratio could be skewed. turbo is still likely the best bang-for-the-buck, but i still love to entertain the idea of the 2zrfe swap. i think it can be done on the (relatively) cheap.

edit: this dyno too, slushbox 2zrfe corolla with intake 116whp (could also be as high as 134-135whp with a manual (25% loss assumed for auto vs 13% for manual) - - 116whp/0.75 = 155bhp x 0.87 = 134.5whp manual)

2zz/c60 would also require switching to a throttle cable...and you'd need both the engine and transmission. 2zz's run $1000-1500 and c60's are 500-1000...plus all the other stuff.

for potentialy "simplicity", i still like the 2zrfe

[xnamerxx]

the 2zz is compatible with the c50 and to keep the tb you'd just need to make an adaptor so you can use a tb from a drive by wire car like the tc or xrs matrix.

I get why you like the 2zr swap but looking at it by cost to benefit it just doesn't make sense unless you plan on boosting or something.

[thebarber]

the 2zz is compatible with the c50 and to keep the tb you'd just need to make an adaptor so you can use a tb from a drive by wire car like the tc or xrs matrix.

I get why you like the 2zr swap but looking at it by cost to benefit it just doesn't make sense unless you plan on boosting or something.

The c50 is a 5 speed. You wouldn't want to use it with the 2zzge, trust me. I had an 04 matrix XRS, currently own an 03 vibe GT, and I'm putting a c60 into a 1zz vibe today...

You NEED the close ratio 6 due to the 2zz's peaky/short powerband

[Bluevitz-rs]

The c50 is a 5 speed. You wouldn't want to use it with the 2zzge, trust me. I had an 04 matrix XRS, currently own an 03 vibe GT, and I'm putting a c60 into a 1zz vibe today...

You NEED the close ratio 6 due to the 2zz's peaky/short powerband

X2 but my folks have the '03 XRS with the higher redline. 1st-2nd even as close as the gears are still puts you out of lift for a few hundred RPM shifting at 8300. The 5 speed would be useless with the 2ZZ.

[xnamerxx]

I never found an issue with the Vibe GT transmission I'm sure a close ratio 6 is better but the Vibe GT and Matrix XRS are also quite a bit heavier over the Yaris your talking about a 550-600 lb difference between the Matrix and 800 for the Vibe.

[thebarber]

Again, not sure where you get your info....the matrix vibe twins, except for body work, are identical. The 03-06 Vibe GT, I can assure you, is a 6 speed with a c60. The XRS/GT both weigh 2800lbs or so.

Its the 09+ XRS/GT that have the 2.4L 5 speed (same as the Camry/tC/xB2) with a beefed up curb weight of 3000+lbs

Bluevitz, you can land in lift 1-2 with the 03 lift of 6200rpm (I also used to have an 03 ecu in my 04 XRS) you just need to run it to the limiter and powershift into second...

Its only the celica's that really varied their redline from 8200, 8400 fuel cut. But to the best of my knowledge the always had lift at 6200rpm. 03 vibe/matrix was 6200, 04 6500, 05/06 (including Corolla ) was a useless 6800rpm. The corolla was actually pretty quick still due to 2500lb curb weight.

[Bluevitz-rs]

I'm just talking normal shifting 1-2 from limiter drops it down to around 5900-6000. Just under lift for a few seconds. The 5speed would be down to 4xxx for sure.

[thebarber]

I'm just talking normal shifting 1-2 from limiter drops it down to around 5900-6000. Just under lift for a few seconds. The 5speed would be down to 4xxx for sure.

Shred. Only person I recall using a 5peed with a 2zzge was a guy screen named war in Alberta (iirc the location) had an imported MRS and built up the 2zz for turbo. He wanted Tue wider gears of the 5 speed since lift didn't matter for his setup and he raced on track, so less shifting was better

[Addo]

3SGTE

[acrobatix]

So according to the sticky, a 2zz can be swapped into the sedan. If I were to do that, I'd want motor/tranny combination, yes? And how tough would that be since mine is an automatic?

[MiataKiller]

Has anyone thought about a fwd Sr20de engine from like an Infiniti G20 or a bluebirds nissan series?idk just a thought.

[ilikerice]

I am sure everyone has thought of every motor imaginable.

ANY motor swap is possible if you have the resources and funds. esp. from a different manufacturer. cant use the same ecu, would have to go standalone. custom everything from mounts to shift linkages, axles, exhaust, hoses. Again, its possible. just ridiculously expensive if you don't like wiring and welding and alot of trial and error

[cali yaris]

^ That post should be stickied at the TOP. Save us a lot of time.

[ilikerice]

To the top of each page also.. I feel people don't even look at post #1. At least he posted in the right thread instead of starting a new one.

[why?]

every motor imaginable, and some you wouldn't dream of. If you throw me a trunk full of $1000 bills.

[TURBOYarisDreem]

Hey Guys! Noob here... Don´t know if I´m posting in the correct place or not but here it goes. Wanted to know what would be the possibility of being able to fit an 4E-FTE with its 5 speed tranny into a third generation yaris. Would this be at all feasable, viable, possible?

[ilikerice]

way too much work for such little horse power motor. You may have a better chance sourcing out a 2zr motor from a euro yaris. Pretty much bolt right in prob with the euro motor mounts to go with it. Getting the wire harness and ecu also and trying to wire that up also. Depending if its LHD or RHD may have to extend alot of wires.

The 4E-FTE is only 130ish hp and so is the 2ZR.

just getting a supercharger is way less headache and cheaper for the same amount of power

[TURBOYarisDreem]

Well that makes a lot of sense, and I know that from a tech point of view it probably would´nt be the best choice (even thought the Yaris is what superceded the Starlet, which is part of the reason why I´m exploring this) however the reasoning behind the question is that I have what seems to be a 4E-FTE out of a later model Glanza V, complete engine, accesories, 5 spd. MT and 3 plug ECU MT. The intention is/was to install it into a 90 EL31 Hatchback with a tired oil 3E carb engine but considering the 4E engine and the 90 chassis and how difficult the parts are to get sometimes I began considering finding a 98 tercel fixer upper, but its kinda the same deal as the EL 31, so I figured if it would be possible to get into a newer model yaris or go with the tercel.

[TURBOYarisDreem]

Forgot to thank ilikerice for the reply and input. Always appreciate an experts opinion.

[ilikerice]

OH yea, no problem.. I figured you had that motor sitting around. Looked at your yaris and then at the motor and a light bulb went off..

I have a 4age motor sitting in my garage right now. I have nothing to put it in but after seeing Etimago (misspelled prob) 4age swap on his yaris.. I think about it sometimes.. but then I dissmiss that thought. I would rather do a 2ZR swap and boost that instead. moar torque!

[TURBOYarisDreem]

But that leaves your 4age collecting more dust. Putting a side the high probability that all the electronics would probably be an unresolvable headache I figured since the yaris is what came after the starlet/tercel it would´nt vary that much as far engine bay space is concerned. Even if mounts were to be relocated, I´m not quite sure if there would be enough space in the yaris engine bay to accomodate the 4E and having the axles line up properly. So what are going to do with the 4age?

Rick

[ilikerice]

Came out of my friends Mr2. Swapped his for a JDM 4ag-ze with LSD. Since I helped him do the swap he gave me his old stuff. It needs a rebuild really bad. When it ran, it created smoke clouds like jets create in the sky. I will rebuild eventually. Still gotta get this d16a6 back in a Crx I'm waiting for. Then a buddy has a miata engine that started knocking. Once those are out of the way I will start the 4ag rebuild unless I sell it dirt cheap.

[TURBOYarisDreem]

Yeah, gave selling it dirt cheap a thought for a short while, but rather than doing that, I´d rather use it and put it in the old EL31. At least it´ll be a fun to drive car, which was more my original intention. Surely as you mentioned before, If one was after the most efficient, powerful, engine at the most convenient, economical price there are many other ways of achieving that without the 4E, but seeing as to what you already caught on to of having the engine I thought I explore other options prior to installing in the EL31. I was checking out this 2013 Yaris 5 door today and there may be enough room in the engine bay, but the whole set up looks so dif that I think I may be better of sticking to the original intention of the engine. I recall you saying in a previous message that it was too much work for such little power gain, but do you think its doable?

[cnister1]

Hello guys!

I don't own a yaris buuuuut I'm interested in trying to swap the Yaris engine into my KP61 starlet. I know I know that the most popular swaps are 4ag or 13b rotary but I kinda wanted to stay as close as possible to it's 1.3L roots! And so the yaris is what I have in mind..

My questions are many but here's a few!

1. What would I have to modify on the engine to make it from fwd to rwd?

2. Anyone know of a rwd transmission that would be a straight bolt-on?

3. Even better has anyone performed this on any other car from fwd to rwd?

My Yaris gurus! I seek your knowledge and guidance! The Yaris engine would be an awesome upgrade if you consider that the original 4K-C engine only made:

The 1981 and 1982 California-spec 4K-C produced 58 hp (43 kW) at 5200 RPM and 67 lb·ft (90 Nm) at 3600 RPM.

[CrankyOldMan]

You would need something like this, and even then, there's no way of knowing if/how it will fit.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TOYOTA-SUCCEED-2003-AUTOMATIC-TRANSMISSION-ASSY-4530200-/321110588978?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac3aebe32&vxp=mtr

[cnister1]

That won't work at all! The starlet is a RWD configuration so I can't use that trans. The issue I can't find an answer to is finding a intake take faces the opposite way so that when the engine is in the rwd position the intake will face towards the front instead of the firewall. I will probably have to make a adapter plate for the transmission..

I need to research more before I commit to this swap!

You would need something like this, and even then, there's no way of knowing if/how it will fit.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TOYOTA-SUCCEED-2003-AUTOMATIC-TRANSMISSION-ASSY-4530200-/321110588978?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac3aebe32&vxp=mtr

[ilikerice]

If you are going to converted your car to rwd and doing a lot of fabricating to get mounts done. A custom intake manifold is the least of your problems.

Just take the existing intake. Cut the flanges off and build a box with runners going to the flanges. Make a hole with a pipe coming from the front and slap one of those custom cai piping and your done.

[monchito18]

2gr Confirmed.

http://i.imgur.com/903WVuP.jpg

[ilikerice]

^^^ not sure about this post?... Not sure what your saying here...

Also, that 2gr image isn't showing.. only see the sedan side profile picture..

On another note, this is about a month old now, but a guy from PR on a MicroImageOnline.com thread was able to swap a xD 2ZR in a yaris with minimal wiring fab only. You just need a xD donor car for the harness, ecu and motor of course.

Its alot of posts you gotta go thru but its pretty much a good DIY project and still running strong apparently.

Here is the tread,
http://microimageonline.com/forums/showthread.php?6987-US-Yaris-to-Vitz-TS-conversion

[omarnas]

Hi
I have 2nz installed in my car and I would like to upgrade it to 1nz.
can these 2 engine be swaped with out the headache of electrical wiring??

[Bluevitz-rs]

Yes the two motors are the physically the same. Though I'm not sure anyone has run a 1NZ on a 2NZ ECU before.

[konnayi]

Engine is the most important part of a machine.

[fnkngrv]

Here is a great way to give a swap a try and it is a pretty sweet price to start:

JDM 4EFTE (http://www.ebay.com/itm/TOYOTA-STARLET-PASEO-TERCEL-TURBO-1-3L-TURBO-ENGINE-TRANSMISSION-JDM-4EFTE-/231189031009?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35d3f0a861)

Less than a grand gets you a boosted motor with great internals and potential!

[ilikerice]

That wouldnt be a direct bolt up as far as motor mounts though, correct? I am not familar with the tercel and scartet chasis and motor setups.

but for 130ish bhp, don't know if it would be worth it if you still had to fab up parts and wiring....

Personally would rather do the xD 2zr swap..

[Bluevitz-rs]

For the same power and way better fuel economy, the 2ZR is the far better option.

[fnkngrv]

The 4e-fte was direct from Toyota with forged internals. Very easy to make a lot more out of it and less of the electronic control and bullshit of today's engines. Yeah, you would need a little bit of fab work, but would be interesting I think.

From my m-o-b-i-l-e

[fnkngrv]

For the same power and way better fuel economy, the 2ZR is the far better option.

Personally I can't really understand why someone would even consider FE if they are going to go through the process of a full swap. THE 4E-FTE is lighter than the 2zr, has stronger rods, and a very nice compression ratio of 8.5:1. Also it has a lightened crank from the factory. This motor has the ability to easily get 38-44mpg on the highway in the Yaris paltform even om the higher boost setting for the internal wastegate. Around 32-35 in the city I bet too. Since it doesn't have all the other electronic BS required as the newer engines I have known guys that have bumped it to 1 bar of boost, kept their FE, and been around 165-175hp handily. Then if you wanted to get really into it you can get 260-300hp out od it without even changing the internals. You won't do that I don't believe with the 2zr.

From my m-o-b-i-l-e

[Bluevitz-rs]

Stock motor vs stock motor.


Sent from my iPod Touch

[ilikerice]

If I am going thru all the trouble of doing a swap like that (fab mounts, fab wiring for ecu, fab axles/hubs, shift linkages, pedals for throttle cable), I would go with a 2zz motor. Stock vs stock. and even then the supercharger for the 2zz has alot of aftermarket parts for it, from the lotus, that are reliable upgrades.

I would like to do a 2zz swap, but I think the 2zr is going to be the best I can do since its been done and a fairly good write up on it on MicroImage website. That is if I do end up doing a swap. But the 1nz is a good platform as well to do a turbo as Garms old Yaris has shown us. As well as Blown xA and a couple other here who boost the crap out of thier 1nz. I think the only real issue with the yaris is the ecu. Damn thing is like a steel trap and is smart as f*ck

[fnkngrv]

I hear ya rice. I just think that it would be cool if someone did the 4e-fte swap showing another real option. I had considered the 2zz a long time ago then dismissed it because of the extra couple hundred pounds it it could end up being on thw front suspension. If you do the 2zr just make sure it is from the xD and not the previous years sin e there is the documented oil consumption issues. Yes the 1nz is a very capable engine, but as many have noted a pretty expensive one. Just a harness, switch to MAP, and full standalone is over 2k and I speak from experience.

From my m-o-b-i-l-e

[xnamerxx]

Yes the 1nz is a very capable engine, but as many have noted a pretty expensive one. Just a harness, switch to MAP, and full standalone is over 2k and I speak from experience.

From my m-o-b-i-l-e

Aren't you going to run into that issue with any Toyota engine? I don't think any Toyota OBD2 engine has great tuning support outside of the trucks.

I'm stuck dealing with OBD1 tuning issues on a Miata, and I just can't see why you would want that. OBD2/CAN is great from a tuning, and diagnostic standpoint.

[ilikerice]

Agreed, definitely a viable option compared to some. thanks for the tip on the xD. Agreed on the weight of the 2zz, but that stock rev limiter... I wants!

In a year or 2, never knwo what may drop in my lap. May come across a wrecked xD or Celica gts... I am rebuilding a 4age motor, but I don't think I wanna go that old school in a yaris.

[CrankyOldMan]

I would like to do a 2zz swap, but I think the 2zr is going to be the best I can do since its been done and a fairly good write up on it on MicroImage website. That is if I do end up doing a swap.

The 2ZR is being developed for the Lotus Elise, supercharger and all. I'm also entertaining pipe dreams of a 2ZR swap followed by a Blitz mod. Lots involved in that one.

That said, a 2ZR spec sheet I found lists a 0-60 mph time comparable to my 1NZ + Blitz, so it's more or less the same benefit.

[ilikerice]

The 2ZR is being developed for the Lotus Elise, supercharger and all.

:eyebulge:

[CrankyOldMan]

Disregard, the 2ZR-GE supercharger is only available directly from Lotus in the UK. The only way to get one would be to buy it from them (assuming they would even do that) and then get standalone management. I already own the Blitz, and am not afraid of making my own conversion parts to get it on a 2ZR.

[ilikerice]

Jezus cranky.. thanks for that dissapointing post... crushed dreams

[CrankyOldMan]

Jezus cranky.. thanks for that dissapointing post... crushed dreams

Bah, you don't really want to come play in SMF. The PAX modifier is murder on our little cars. =P

[fnkngrv]

Aren't you going to run into that issue with any Toyota engine? I don't think any Toyota OBD2 engine has great tuning support outside of the trucks.

I'm stuck dealing with OBD1 tuning issues on a Miata, and I just can't see why you would want that. OBD2/CAN is great from a tuning, and diagnostic standpoint.

Thomas has an OBDI 4ag and doesn’t seem to be having any problems. The beauty with the 4e-fte is that it gives you options down the line since it has beffier rods stock and a great compression ratio stock as well.

From my m-o-b-i-l-e

[ilikerice]

Bah, you don't really want to come play in SMF. The PAX modifier is murder on our little cars. =P

Yea, I would like to play in SMF one day.. I think I can do some damage with 100 more hp and 275 A6's or at least some ventus z214 to save some money.

[yariseggvvti]

K20A 225hp engine with independent rear suspension that will be a perfect set up for Yaris.

[ilikerice]

Agreed, GOD the rear suspension is the one thing I can't stand about the yaris. It's the one reason I want to return to stock and get something else.

[monchito18]

PICS:

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2zz

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[ilikerice]

Damn, I bet that 2zz is a monster.

[1.5]

With lift!!!! :drool:

[ipwnr]

http://www.build-threads.com/build-threads/sr20-rwd-toyota-platz/

rb20 toyota platz (echo)

[RagnaCaT]

Monkey Wrench is going to start offering support to the 2ZRFE in January I'm intrested on what internal bolt-ons might come up, 2ZR hits easily 150 hp with external mods with 150 tq to back it up...

[Bluevitz-rs]

That's awesome.


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[ilikerice]

Im saving my money now... Super excited.. That will be my next upgrade

[RagnaCaT]

Monkey wrench already confirmed that 2ZR connecting Rods are shared with 1zz... I'm waiting on Pistons and cams! gonna hit that 180whp mark...

[ilikerice]

ugh.. I need you to make a thread on yaris world on your 2zr swap and what you needed to do.

If I am not mistaken, the 2zr swap is compatible with the 1nz transmission thats already in the yaris, correct?

[RagnaCaT]

I'm time limited but assure you when you jump in I'll be here to give you full support and yes you can use the Yari tranny been using it for the past year 0 problems even at the Drag strip no signs of giving in... Although I'm swaping the XD tranny when I get some mods done to the tranny.

[ilikerice]

Nice!

[CrankyOldMan]

Although I'm swaping the XD tranny when I get some mods done to the tranny.

Yup. Just as soon as I figure out what I did with my notes from the tooth-counting adventure. =)

[RagnaCaT]

CrankyOldMan Im counting on you!


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[CoryM]

Does anyone know if there is a viable option to get factory LSD with any of these swaps? I'd seriously consider the 2zz swap if I could get LSD at the same time. Otherwise, I'd rather get LSD and keep the wussy 1.5L.
Thanks,
Cory

[sang pengembara]

i do swap whole engine 2nzfe by 1nzfe ,,,it is plug and play .. 3 working days with 2 mechanic ..exciting and enjoy the swap successfully . no CEL out and 100% working perfectly.

[fnkngrv]

Found out there has been a bunch of guys over in the UK that have done a 4efte swap. Been speaking with a guy and he says that the work to do it is minimal and 2 of the 3 mounts line up perfectly. Not to mention the 4e block is designed for boost from the factory. You can easily get over 400whp from them nowadays.

[CrankyOldMan]

You can easily get over 400whp from them nowadays.

Sweet baby Jeezuz.

[ilikerice]

NEED MORE INFO!

[junorico24]

Im interested in 2zrfe swap. Is this the engine?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TOYOTA-COROLLA-ZRE152-HATCHBACK-AUTO-05-07-10-09-WRECKING-/191518987544?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item2c976bd518

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TOYOTA-COROLLA-ZRE152-ENGINE-2ZR-FE-1-8-L-2007-2012-07-08-09-10-11-12-/191519001153?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item2c976c0a41

[ilikerice]

yep. I believe that is it

[RagnaCaT]

Yes that's it... Although ECM wire orientation is on the opposite side of the Yaris.


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[CoryM]

Does anyone happen to have engine bay dimensions? I've looked in the collision repair part of the manual, but it's not from edge to edge.
Cheers.

[fnkngrv]

Are you still looking for dimensions Cory?

[CoryM]

Dimensions would be great if you have them. Otherwise I will post them when I measure (may be a while. Race-car is taking priority right now).

Cheers.

[fnkngrv]

Tell me exactly what you are looking for as the entire front end of mine is torn down.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/24/f9e496c89842fab057510c0368b19bd1.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/24/6623c06cd296a7d6b45f877c5520fe54.jpg

[CoryM]

Sorry for the delayed reply. If the offer still stands, I would like the measurements in the photos. Looks like you already have white lines where the frame rails angle. All measurements are taken on top of the frame rails.
There is one more measurement I would like that isn't in the pictures. Could you also measure the square hole to the end of the frame rail (where the rad support bolts on.)?

Thanks for the help,
Cory

[fnkngrv]

I can see what I can do in the next day or two. The car is surrounded by kitchen cabinets :-)

[fnkngrv]

BTW, the white lines were where I was considering notching the frame rail for my IC piping, but we are going a different route.

[CoryM]

OK. I am in no hurry.
Cheers.

[thebarber]

Turbokits.com has 2zr turbo kits...

[ilikerice]

Couldn't find it. What is it listed under?

[CrankyOldMan]

Corolla. http://www.turbokits.com/Toyota/Corolla/Turbo_Kits/

[WorkTL]

Will that turbo fit a 3rd gen Yaris by any chance?

[CrankyOldMan]

Unfortunately, no. That kit is only for the 1.8L 2ZR-FE, which isn't available in the US as a factory option. It's entirely possible to do the swap though, just have to squeeze the details out of those that have successfully done it. =)

[fnkngrv]

The turbo would fit. It is rather small so wouldn't be a problem. You would have to do mods for the piping and manifold at the least.

[WorkTL]

Will the Scion xa turbo kit fit better?

[fnkngrv]

To a point, but you still will run into some modifications. That is why the Zage kit has been so popular. If not going the Zage it is probably just a smart thing to custom build.

[fnkngrv]

If I ever blow my built motor and manage to not be skinned alive by the wife I would try a 2gr swap. I think that would be epic. It is a hell of a mill. Makes my Highlander MOVE!

[WorkTL]

Thanks for the info! Where can I buy a Zage kit, sir?

[fnkngrv]

Try contacting Garm first. Cali_yaris.

[Tarmat Terror]

Hey guys new to the mod world all the way from barbados , but i have a question , does anyone know if a 1zz engine can bolt into my Ncp13 which is the Vitz model right hand drive from japan and if any fabrication needs to be done and what would they be . thanks.:confused:

[Tarmat Terror]

Hello
ive got vitz with 1szfe, i am willing to swap the engine
the available engines in my country is 1nzfe, are you people in favour of that ? it comes bolt on, no issues
please reply thanks
yes thats fine the rs versions have in the 1nz-fe

[Bluevitz-rs]

Hey guys new to the mod world all the way from barbados , but i have a question , does anyone know if a 1zz engine can bolt into my Ncp13 which is the Vitz model right hand drive from japan and if any fabrication needs to be done and what would they be . thanks.:confused:

The frame needs to be cut for clearance on the pulley side of the engine.

[Tarmat Terror]

hey i'm looking to do a swap i have in a 1nz-fe and i want to put in the 1zz did you have to modify anything or was it just a bolt in ? or did your echo come with that engine?

[Tarmat Terror]

The frame needs to be cut for clearance on the pulley side of the engine.
hey can you explain more ? cut the frame how ? and can my 5spd 1nz-fe gearbox fit on without changing bell housing ? can you give a me a step by step??

[Bluevitz-rs]

The motor is bigger so you have to make room for the belts an pulleys. You would have to change bell housing on the transmission too.

[Tarmat Terror]

The motor is bigger so you have to make room for the belts an pulleys. You would have to change bell housing on the transmission too.
so what would be better to do one time ? a 1zz or 2zr i need your knowledge if they both are the same amount of fabricating i would go big one time

[Bluevitz-rs]

The 1ZZ was never an option for any NCP chassis as far as I know. I don't know much about the 2ZR as far as size but it was an option in 2006+ Yaris so it might be a little shorter than the 1ZZ.

[RagnaCaT]

Let me chime in 1zz is possible with no cutting to fit it, but not a great swap cuase of the fabrication involed and wiring rather drop a 2zz.... The 1zz tranny or housing is required. Cutting the chassis is required if you are planning on a 6spd...
The 2ZRFE is almost a drop in swap and you can use the stock tranny...


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[Bluevitz-rs]

Let me chime in 1zz is possible with no cutting to fit it, but not a great swap cuase of the fabrication involed and wiring rather drop a 2zz.... The 1zz tranny or housing is required. Cutting the chassis is required if you are planning on a 6spd...
The 2ZRFE is almost a drop in swap and you can use the stock tranny...


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Let's make sure we're on the same page here. They're talking about a fist gen chassis.

[RagnaCaT]

Let's make sure we're on the same page here. They're talking about a fist gen chassis.


Ooooh! ok So it's the other way around, 1zz wiring is similar to the first gen as the ECHO we get here in PR and its the almost the same demensions 2zz swaps are around


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[Tarmat Terror]

Thanx for the advice so far guys it was helpful im going to do the swap and turbo charge but can i put on a 6spd box without and fabrication?

[Dr.DevILL]

Bringing this thread, back from the dead...
in all honesty, I've read about a RAV4 2ar being used to churn out some serious hp in a TC (approx. 800) anyone consider a 2ar swap into one of our tiny cars? its a 2.5 so it'd be kinda cramped. just a seriously considered idea.

[tk-421]

in theory the 1.8L 2ZR-FE from the European-spec Yaris TS (and also the same engine as used on the new Corolla and Scion xD), as I highly doubt Toyota would have two totally different bodies for each engine. But, with "just" 130hp, it's not exactly worth the swap... unless it can be built up to much much higher levels, but I don't think that has been proven yet....


Looks like this has been confirmed and well documented:
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56031

[Frank the Tank]

What would be needed in order to do a b18c or k20 swap?
I like the idea of having a honda engine with a LSD transmission.

[fnkngrv]

I would really love to see an 8ar-fet swap....that would be awesome

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[LTHatch]

From looking over a buddies EG hatch wth a k20 w/6speed, you'd have to get custom everything. Notch the frame rails, new mounts, new exhaust manifold, radiator relocation, new axles, new throttle pedal, modified fuel system, modified harness to fit Yaris cluster etc.

[MugenRep]

What would be needed in order to do a b18c or k20 swap?
I like the idea of having a honda engine with a LSD transmission.

First, ditch the B-series. It spins the wrong direction. K-series spin the correct direction.

Buy a donor K-series. My suggestion is a cheap Base RSX, Ep3, Element, or CRV. You'd be best off with the 02-03 Ep3 as their axles are smaller and fit 4x100 spindles so should be easier to adapt, not to mention their wiring harness is easy to use and adapt. If you need a Helms service manual for wiring, have it in .pdf form,

1. Custom motor and transmission mounts
2. Pre 2000 Honda aluminum half radiator
3. Donor K-series car (for engine, tranny, wiring, immobilizer, matching ecu)
4. K-tuned or other aftermarket shifter box and cables for easy floor mount.
5. Cable operated and modified throttle pedal OR a donor drive by wire ecu and wiring to adapt to the Yaris.
6. Kpro for a drive by wire application OR a 02-04 CRV, 02-05 Ep3, or 02-06 RSX for cable operated throttle.
7. Spindles and strut adaptation from the donor OR custom axles for the Yaris spindles.
8. PATIENCE, MONEY, AND TIME.

If you insist on boost a K20a3 is the cheapest swap and can handle 300whp for s VERY LONG TIME, but one the torque gets over 300wtq k20a3s have a tendency to bend rods. K20a2, K24a2, K24a2, K24a4, K20z1, K20z3, and K20a (02-06 ITR or JDM Ep3R) can all handle LOTS power with the only problem being compression and detonation risk on the higher compression K20a2, K20z1, K20z3, and the K20a (11.5:1).

I'm sure I'm forgetting things. This is just off the top of my head stuff as a Moderator of Ephatch.com.

[Emesagaday]

What are the key considerations and modifications needed for a successful B18C or K20 swap into a Yaris, and are there any specific challenges associated with each engine choice?

[EPP]

anyone have the dimensions of the enginebay on a p1?
saw a Saab Turbo swapped corsa and i thought maybe? i mean 250-300 whp would be stupid but fun.