California May Ban Black Cars

[MadMax]

I am glad the state of California has nothing more important to worry about other than the color of cars!

California May Ban Black Cars

Michael Arrington
TechCrunch.com
Thursday, March 26, 2009; 2:21 PM

The California legislature is considering regulating the color of cars and reflectivity of paint to reduce the energy requirements to cool them (http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/cool-paints/cool-paints.htm). A presentation on the proposed legislation by the California Air Resources Board is below.

The problem isn't the color per se, but the reflectivity of the paint overall. And dark colors just don't reflect well, so they are likely out. "Jet black remains an issue," says the report.

Anyone who's ever entered a very hot car knows that it can be cooled down immediately by driving a few feet with the windows open, effectively neutralizing any color-caused heat issues before engaging the air conditioner. But whatever, black is evil.

The new regulations would be phased in beginning in 2012, so if you want that black car, you better buy it soon. More on Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/25/california-to-reduce-carbon-emissions-by-banning-black-cars/) and CrunchGear (http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/26/california-hopes-to-help-the-environment-by-banning-black-cars/).

And you thought that black Toyota Prius you bought made you such a good person. Think again, you tree hating energy slob. Luckily, black websites are still ok, even though they, too, use more energy.

What in the hell is wrong with you people out there?

Black cars rule! :evil:

[KCALB SIRAY]

But on the flip side, Black in general reflects heat and White absorbs, so paint all cars Black and we'll stop the so called "Global Warming" crap. These dee dee dee's are realy starting to piss me off. Black FTW, woohoo!

[darthbauer]

I am glad the state of California has nothing more important to worry about other than the color of cars!



What in the hell is wrong with you people out there?

Black cars rule! :evil:


It's not the people that live here that are the problem, its the people that run the state (into the ground).

[tk-421]

But on the flip side, Black in general reflects heat and White absorbs, so paint all cars Black and we'll stop the so called "Global Warming" crap. These dee dee dee's are realy starting to piss me off. Black FTW, woohoo!
Actually it's the other way around. Why do you think there's a huge hole in the ozone layer in the South Pole? The snow (which is white) reflects everything the sun throws at it.

Or maybe you were kidding? If so, it went over my head. :biggrin:

[kustom play]

i read this on another forum

just one more reason i would never ever live in CA and have no urge to visit even though its the next state over

[darthbauer]

i read this on another forum

just one more reason i would never ever live in CA and have no urge to visit even though its the next state over


That's ok, most of us feel the same way about Arizona.


jk

[KCALB SIRAY]

yeah, trying to make a joke, lol...didn't work. haha

[MadMax]

i read this on another forum

just one more reason i would never ever live in CA and have no urge to visit even though its the next state over

Actually, we are feeling the results of California's demise, most of them are moving to Texas and are complaining about our gun laws, etc.

As such, I have a hard time believing it is the state government, especially since it is the voters that put them in office! I am not saying everyone out there is fruits and nuts; but the majority seem to be! Any state that elects Pelosi for any position of responsibility should be excommunicated from the Union!

[tomato]

What in the hell is wrong with you people out there?

Black cars rule! :evil:

It's not the people, it's these idiots we elect to run the place. Not like we have a choice anyway. :frown: Sometimes you have to choose between one person you don't like and one person you like even less, so you vote for the lesser evil. :iono:

You wouldn't believe the number of stupid laws we have around here, for real. Don't get me started! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes

But don't go blame the people who live in California. There are all kinds, with all kinds of different opinions.

By the way, there is a flaw in their argument: what if your car is black but doesn't have A/C, does it still take more energy to cool it down? I used to have a little navy blue car that was really hot in the summer, so I had to open both windows instead of just one, and I got in the habit of always bringing a little bottle of water with me. Problem solved.

[tomato]

That's ok, most of us feel the same way about Arizona.


jk

:bellyroll:

[Gideon]

:rolleyes:

No they're not going to ban anything.

Read the presentation and think for yourself instead of reading sensationalist news.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/cool-paints/final_cool_cars_workshop_presentation31209.pdf

[supmet]

I know its not gonna pass(if its really even a bill), but I hope it does so I can paint my yaris black, smoke the tail lights, limo tint all around, and wait for a cop to pull me over so I can sue the state.

[tomato]

Gideon, we're just having a little fun, it's Friday.
:drinking:

[cali yaris]

+1 with Gideon. Did anyone bother to READ it? It says NOTHING about the color of the car. It does say something about reformulation of paints and other methods, mentioned below.

The worst "dee dee dee's" are people who don't bother to inform themselves, IMO.

In 2006, California adopted the California Global Warming Solutions Act, also known as AB 32. This law created a comprehensive, long term plan for California to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels by 2020. Cool Paints was identified as an Early Action strategy, to be in place no later than January 1, 2010. This strategy is based on measures to reduce the solar heat gain in a vehicle parked in the sun. A cooler interior would make drivers less likely to activate the air conditioner, which increases carbon dioxide emissions.

Potential approaches include reformulation of paint to reflect near-infrared sunlight, parked car ventilation, and solar reflective window glazing. It is expected that cool paints, together with reflective glazing, will reduce the soak temperature of the typical vehicle parked in the sun by 5 to10 degrees celsius.

[arcticvitz]

white is a better color anyways.....hehe

[nisyota]

I LOVE FLORIDA!!! No rules watsoevr! well except for a few noise compaints. LOL

Cali is strict, but how come most of the performance shops are in Cali... hmm

[MadMax]

I LOVE FLORIDA!!! No rules watsoevr! well except for a few noise compaints. LOL

Naw, Florida cops have become the biggest pricks on the planet. I am originally from Jax, and when we go back to visit my mom I always hate driving as they will pull you over for being 5 over the speed limit. Not here in Texas, usually ten over is cool, sometimes up to 15 or more on the interstates if you're lucky...

[quoteCali is strict, but how come most of the performance shops are in Cali... hmm[/quote]

It because there are more narcissistic people in Kommiefornia than any other state in the Union. I once heard it was the only place where it was legal to have mirrored tint on the inside of your car! :bellyroll:

Personally, I don't care what laws they pass out there on the Leftist Coast, I wouldn't step foot in that state if you paid me. The anti-gun stance they have is ridiculous, I just saw a news piece where a guy driving a WWII-vintage military Jeep that had a fake machine gun mounted on it caused several people to call 911 and they detained the owner. For God's sake, you would have to be a complete idiot not to realize this is a historic vehicle! But the next segment showed a Colonial re-enactor at the Reagan Museum and I didn't see anyone freaking out about his musket.

I've been to California before and it's a beautiful state, but the fruit and nuts have ruined it...

Cheers! M2

[frownonfun]

Actually, we are feeling the results of California's demise, most of them are moving to Texas and are complaining about our gun laws, etc.

As such, I have a hard time believing it is the state government, especially since it is the voters that put them in office! I am not saying everyone out there is fruits and nuts; but the majority seem to be! Any state that elects Pelosi for any position of responsibility should be excommunicated from the Union!


hmm... i like pelosi. but then again i've always wanted to live in cali.

[cali yaris]

I wouldn't step foot in that state if you paid me.

good - because I would shoot you myself for saying "they" and including "me".
I think we ought to drop a nuke on Texas and make a nice lake out of it.
The country would be better off.

So there. Cheers, indeed. :tongue:

[frownonfun]

well that's not very nice.

[nisyota]

Naw, Florida cops have become the biggest pricks on the planet. I am originally from Jax, and when we go back to visit my mom I always hate driving as they will pull you over for being 5 over the speed limit. Not here in Texas, usually ten over is cool, sometimes up to 15 or more on the interstates if you're lucky...



ya, jax is a little strict. Orlando is better. :D My wife drives 20miles over... she is crazy than when i drive 11 miles over, i get pulled over... ugh. LOL

[cali yaris]

well that's not very nice.

That is so true! Sorry if I offended anyone. I have a cousin in Houston.

And... we would lose NST. :cry:

Isn't it a great demonstration though, of what would happen if everyone were equally poisonous, ignorant and vitriolic? :wink:

[KCALB SIRAY]

+1 with Gideon. Did anyone bother to READ it? It says NOTHING about the color of the car. It does say something about reformulation of paints and other methods, mentioned below.

The worst "dee dee dee's" are people who don't bother to inform themselves, IMO.
I got quoted:headbang:....sort of, not really, but awesome anyways :laugh:

[KCALB SIRAY]

and i don't have any relatives in Texas...NST move out now, bombs away lol

[MadMax]

good - because I would shoot you myself for saying "they" and including "me".
I think we ought to drop a nuke on Texas and make a nice lake out of it.
The country would be better off.

So there. Cheers, indeed. :tongue:

California's more likely to crack off and slide into the ocean during an earthquake than Texas becoming a lake! Any rain we get here runs into the Gulf of Mexico within an hour of it hitting the ground...

And what are you going to shoot me with, anyway? California law doesn't allow anything more lethal than a rubber-band gun! Plus I thought all Californians were anti-nuke, are you gonna get trouble for even mentioning that word?

And "Cheers" right back at ya! :drinking:

[cali yaris]

well, since we're at it, here's the CA law in brief. I think your sarcastic comment about owning nothing more than a rubber-band gun is incorrect:

Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No
Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No

Handguns

Permit to purchase handgun? No
Registration of handguns? Yes
Licensing of owners of handguns? No
Permit to carry handguns? Yes (If concealed)

[Shroomster]

....wtf car paint to gun laws.....

[tomato]

It because there are more narcissistic people in Kommiefornia than any other state in the Union. I once heard it was the only place where it was legal to have mirrored tint on the inside of your car! :bellyroll:

Personally, I don't care what laws they pass out there on the Leftist Coast, I wouldn't step foot in that state if you paid me.


Then, you'd be missing out! But don't worry, we won't invite you if you come with the attitude!

Plus, you got totally wrong information. If you think everybody here is a leftist, then you are clearly misinformed, believe me. 1/2 of the people I know around here are registered republicans.

You seem to like guns. Go to the annual gun show at the Cow Palace, or even to a rodeo

http://www.cowpalace.com/

or to the many other similar activities around the state all year long and go call these people commies to their face if you dare ... :rolleyes:

Yeah, that too is California.

So chill out a bit and don't put everybody in the same basket.

BTW I thought this was a friendly forum where people exchanged information about cars, jokes and stuff, what's with the hate anyway?!!! :rolleyes:

[frownonfun]

BTW I thought this was a friendly forum where people exchanged information about cars, jokes and stuff, what's with the hate anyway?!!! :rolleyes:

idk... i love all states... well, except New Mexico. Honestly, what's with all the stucco? It's Hideous!!

just trying to lighten the mood.

[cali yaris]

^ Thank you.

[dvlnblkdrs]

lol paint law seems interesting.. now reading it properly.. and im sorta with Garm on this one with the state debate.. anyone with "the" and "and" in city names & has a natural disaster every 6 months.. i dont want to live there!

[tomato]

+1 with Gideon. Did anyone bother to READ it? It says NOTHING about the color of the car. It does say something about reformulation of paints and other methods, mentioned below.

The worst "dee dee dee's" are people who don't bother to inform themselves, IMO.

You're right, I didn't read it. I was just having a bit of fun, that's all :iono: Didn't think the thread would deteriorate. My apologies. :redface:

I meant every world I said about some stupid local laws we have around here but I better keep that to myself, uh. :iono:

What's that I hear about stucco, now? :slice: Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!
J/K :wink:

[frownonfun]

What's that I hear about stucco, now? :slice: Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!
J/K :wink:


lol... idk i just can't stand it. especially around moriarty, bernalillo, albuquerque, places like that, everywhere you look it's stucco. even the stores!! :barf:

[tomato]

I've never been there. One thing I would really like to do some day is a cross-country drive. Think our Yaris is up to the task? :biggrin:

[cali yaris]

^ you bet it is! and a caravan would be even more fun :smile:

Toyota should sponsor it, and I should organize it. :thumbsup:

[eTiMaGo]

and i'll be your copilot! :biggrin:

[supmet]

^ you bet it is! and a caravan would be even more fun :smile:

Toyota should sponsor it, and I should organize it. :thumbsup:

Being a super narcissist from california, I say we just drive PCH, and turn around at oregon. Why would we ever need to leave cali?

(really though, I'd rather drive PCH than out to texas :P)

[ChinoCharles]

If the whole country was like Texas, 80% of everyone would be fat, nobody would speak right and we'd all be racists.

If the whole country was like California, 80% of everyone would do Yoga, Arnold would be president and we'd all be gay.

I say both states suck equally and everyone should shut up. :laugh:

I'm half kidding.

[tomato]

^ you bet it is! and a caravan would be even more fun :smile:

Toyota should sponsor it, and I should organize it. :thumbsup:

:clap:

A caravan would be GREAT!!! :biggrin: :headbang:
Imagine the endless photo ops! :biggrin:

I hear a co-pilot is kind of a must when you go across the States. Long haul!

Something to dream about... :cool:

[superskunk'd]

If the whole country was like Texas, 80% of everyone would be fat, nobody would speak right and we'd all be racists.

If the whole country was like California, 80% of everyone would do Yoga, Arnold would be president and we'd all be gay.

I say both states suck equally and everyone should shut up. :laugh:

I'm half kidding.

and if we were from OHIO then 80% would have sex with cousins and promote JOHN DEERE and we would all drive domestic crap like FORD!
lol....

[ChinoCharles]

... Yep! You're learning!

[tk-421]

This whole paint thing has me confused. Why is only black paint being singled out, when other dark colors are just as "evil"? i.e. dark green, dark blue, etc. :iono:

[daf62757]

Liberal ideology is going to ruin this country.

[tomato]

^ :rolleyes:

[frownonfun]

Liberal ideology is going to ruin this country.

see i was not all that annoyed when this thread turned to state bashing but can we not go here. liberals and their ideals aren't the cause of all the country's ills. please don't make stupid sweeping statements like this.

[cali yaris]

This whole paint thing has me confused. Why is only black paint being singled out, when other dark colors are just as "evil"? i.e. dark green, dark blue, etc.

Black paint is not being singled out (read my post) --

[bobselectric]

see i was not all that annoyed when this thread turned to state bashing but can we not go here. liberals and their ideals aren't the cause of all the country's ills. please don't make stupid sweeping statements like this.

hmmm... Community Reinvestment Act, ACORN, ACLU:thumbdown:

[supmet]

hmmm... Community Reinvestment Act, ACORN, ACLU:thumbdown:

Patriot Act, Enron, Halliburton, Department of Homeland Security, AIG, Auto Bailouts, Never ending pointless wars

George W Bush?

Should we keep playing? Lump me in with acorn and I lump you in with all of them :wink:

[frownonfun]

Patriot Act, Enron, Halliburton, Department of Homeland Security, AIG, Auto Bailouts, Never ending pointless wars

George W Bush?

Should we keep playing? Lump me in with acorn and I lump you in with all of them :wink:


THANK YOU!! i am about as liberal as they come. still i don't go around blaming all you rich white over privileged right wing religious nuts for every bad thing that happens in my life. nor do i go around crying about how bush turned everything to shit. cuz he didn't. seems to me there is more than one party in this political system we got going here so if something is screwed up it stands to reason that we are all to blame.


EDIT: oh and, socialism FTW!!

[JBougie]

THANK YOU!! i am about as liberal as they come. still i don't go around blaming all you rich white over privileged right wing religious nuts for every bad thing that happens in my life. nor do i go around crying about how bush turned everything to shit. cuz he didn't. seems to me there is more than one party in this political system we got going here so if something is screwed up it stands to reason that we are all to blame.


EDIT: oh and, socialism FTW!!

^ That is the scariest thing I've ever read....
*shiver*

I'm not over privileged, or full white ... I don't know many conservatives who are, actually .... so that's just not a very nice generalization. And I (individually) make a little under $40k a year ... so I am surely not rich lol


(PS - Sorry for jumping in, I'm not from Cali ... lol ... I just saw the thread title and was like WTF? No black paint? Huh?")

[tomato]

... Patriot Act...

Don't even get me started with the $!#!@#$ so called :bs::evil: "patriot" act :barf: :rolleyes:

Keeping terrorists out of the country is one thing. Annoying Americans with unnecessary paperwork when they're trying to conduct legitimate business is a different thing!! :mad:

Am I the only one who had to fill out unnecessary paperwork at the dealership due to the so-called :evil: Patriot Act? I seem to recall from previous threads people reporting the same thing in various states. :rolleyes:

If they think we're going to fly the little Yaris into a tall building, they're clearly overestimating the power of the little car. :bonk:

[tomato]

^ That is the scariest thing I've ever read....
*shiver*

I'm not over privileged, or full white ... I don't know many conservatives who are, actually .... so that's just not a very nice generalization. And I (individually) make a little under $40k a year ... so I am surely not rich lol


(PS - Sorry for jumping in, I'm not from Cali ... lol ... I just saw the thread title and was like WTF? No black paint? Huh?")

JBougie, don't worry, nobody cares if you're not from Cali! :biggrin:

Don't worry, we're NOWHERE NEAR socialism!! I don't think we'll see socialism in this country in our lifetime, but that's just my opinion :wink:

[SMALLNUMBERS]

wow, this has quickly become one of the MOST interesting threads EVER on here!
true feelings have emerged with fake "j/k" after them....lol, hey- be you! if you got hate for someone, at least be honest about it.....

[cali yaris]

[ really really weak attempt to get back on topic ]

Are we clear at least that black paint isn't being singled out? :laugh:

[SMALLNUMBERS]

^ AGREED.

[BaknBlak]

I wander what government people know about cars. What a waste of time. I believe Toyota is going to be putting solar panels on the roof to run the A/C in their attempt to remove all belts from the front(or should I say the side) of the engine. Soon enough you'll be picking the color for only the sides of your car if you get a Honda or Toyota. At about this same time the G ppl 'll decide the paint issue was a big waste of time, what with solar panels and all,,,

[SilverBack]

If the govt. really wants to save energy they should get the politicians to stop idlingly (grammar check please) running their mouths. ..You could power a city with all that hot air...

[frownonfun]

^ That is the scariest thing I've ever read....
*shiver*

I'm not over privileged, or full white ... I don't know many conservatives who are, actually .... so that's just not a very nice generalization. And I (individually) make a little under $40k a year ... so I am surely not rich lol


(PS - Sorry for jumping in, I'm not from Cali ... lol ... I just saw the thread title and was like WTF? No black paint? Huh?")

yes people tend to fear things they don't comprehend. but it's like someone else stated in this thread... it's likely to never ever happen. most of us just aren't capable of a truly philanthropic mindset at this point. oh well.

[JBougie]

yes people tend to fear things they don't comprehend. but it's like someone else stated in this thread... it's likely to never ever happen. most of us just aren't capable of a truly philanthropic mindset at this point. oh well.

I fully comprehend socialism.


And I fully disagree with it. Trust me. I understand it .... I am one of the most political people I know ... I've read a thing or two about the subject. lol

[JBougie]

If the govt. really wants to save energy they should get the politicians to stop idlingly (grammar check please) running their mouths. ..You could power a city with all that hot air...


:laugh: amen to that! :clap:

[superskunk'd]

let them ban dark colors... it wont affect me at all... i drive too fast to absorb heat anyways! lol...

[JustAnotherAsian]

banning black cars... now that's just funny and open to all sorts of jokes.

government is against vip. haha.

[Solid T D]

Hey, at least we could be the first state to commercialize Mary Jane!

[JustAnotherAsian]

^just can't smoke it in a black car. haha.

[MadMax]

Hey, this even made Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/traffic/darkcars.asp)!

Cheers! M2

[r3b3l]

:clap:

A caravan would be GREAT!!! :biggrin: :headbang:
Imagine the endless photo ops! :biggrin:

I hear a co-pilot is kind of a must when you go across the States. Long haul!

Something to dream about... :cool:


I drove from Mississippi to British Columbia then to Cali and back all by myself over the Xmas holidays a few years ago. Was amazing to see the country like that. I would do it again anytime. I used to drive 18 wheelers though so driving long hours is fun to me.:thumbup:


If the govt. really wants to save energy they should get the politicians to stop idlingly (grammar check please) running their mouths. ..You could power a city with all that hot air...

Filibustering FTW. :headbang:

[SilverBack]

Filibustering FTW. :headbang:

Some day it'll be legal to attach jumper cables to their nipples and connect the other ends to the power grid. News headlines will read "Filibusters finally put to good use. Energy crisis permanently resolved" :evil:

[YarisSedan]

Banning only black cars is racist.

[yaris-me]

Things like banning black cars generate so much dialog and makes the politicians happy. It distracts you from them running California bankrupt. They still cannot balance the budget and are still trying to tax and spend. They've got you chasing your tail and you don't see the real problems.:laugh:

[slothman86]

what about dark grey...LOL J/K, Isn't there something better for the governance in California to be thinking about...?