Tokico HTS

[kngrsll]

The first shipment arrived from Japan today, they hope to have they available in a month or so.

http://www.hitachi-hap-la.com/TokicoGasShocks/products/dspec/index.html

http://i43.tinypic.com/30msc45.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/2it56c1.jpg

[AznGouki]

Whoa really interested.

[mrbond]

A bit pricey, but it looks really attractive, both appearance and performance.

[regal]

with springs nearly as expensive as coil-overs

[frownonfun]

where does it say it fits the yaris?

[AlexNet0]

Yaris 07-08 HB3240/HB3239 Front HU2987 Rear

Non adjustables

[frownonfun]

hmm still don't see it but i believe you. does that mean it doesn't fit the '09? surely it would right?

[kngrsll]

with springs nearly as expensive as coil-overs

and should far out preform the current line of coilovers available, what we really need are some good, stiff spring options. Some ground controls would be awesome...

A bit pricey, but it looks really attractive, both appearance and performance.

i have driven an xB with these shocks, and i was really surprised at how good the dampers were. Granted, we did mostly canyon carving in cali, but we were not even close to using the full range of valving, so the track should be a very nice opportunity to test these things.

hmm still don't see it but i believe you. does that mean it doesn't fit the '09? surely it would right?

I imagine it is, they should be up soon, they do not even have part numbers assigned to them yet, but they will soon.

I have been in close contact with a Tokico rep recently, so i will try to keep you guys updated. I am really excited, these are going to be awesome dampers! I am ready to get back on the track :thumbup:

[regal]

and should far out preform the current line of coilovers available, what we really need are some good, stiff spring options. Some ground controls would be awesome...



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Yea I really don't think there are springs available that would make these worth the investment.

I am hoping Koni makes its Koni-Red strut/spring package for the Yaris, its a sweet street setup.

[kngrsll]

Yea I really don't think there are springs available that would make these worth the investment.

I am hoping Koni makes its Koni-Red strut/spring package for the Yaris, its a sweet street setup.

If tanabe would do a GF210, we would be set. i think GC makes a set up for the xB now, they may fit, then you can use whatever rates you want.

[kngrsll]

The very first set of Tokico HTS shocks are on the way to my house now... pics and updates will be available soon. The shocks are being processed and put into the Tokico dealer network so they should be available for purchase soon!

This sounds like it is going to be an awesome adjustable shock option for us! now we just need some sleeve coilovers! (ground control, can you hear us? lol)

[cali yaris]

and should far out preform the current line of coilovers available, what we really need are some good, stiff spring options. Some ground controls would be awesome...

I disagree that they will outperform all current coilovers.

But they will be great and I'll be selling them for the BEST PRICE :wink:

[toad]

question - i've been doing some reading on autocrossing and h-stock allows you to change the dampers, but not the springs. would these dampers be a worthwhile investment for our car(provided they have no more than 2 external damping controls) if you have to keep the stock springs? sorry if this is a dumb question, but i'm learning. cali, is it too early to ballpark a price on these yet?

[kngrsll]

I disagree that they will outperform all current coilovers.

But they will be great and I'll be selling them for the BEST PRICE :wink:

i havent been impressed with the shock dyno results from many of the name brand coilovers. i know Loren likes his Megans and their valving though. i should have a shock dyno from the HTS soon. the real advantage to the current coilovers is the fact that you can swap out spring rates quite readily. you cant do that with a stock type shock (like a Tokico Blue/HTS, Koni, whatever) bc there is no coilover perch.

i will put pics up when they come in!

[kngrsll]

question - i've been doing some reading on autocrossing and h-stock allows you to change the dampers, but not the springs. would these dampers be a worthwhile investment for our car(provided they have no more than 2 external damping controls) if you have to keep the stock springs? sorry if this is a dumb question, but i'm learning. cali, is it too early to ballpark a price on these yet?

yeah, these shocks are well within the rule the rules for stock class.

these shocks are going directly at the koni yellow/sport market.

[markitect]

But they will be great and I'll be selling them for the BEST PRICE :wink:

Do you know what your price will be yet?

[aeipee13]

Will these be available with springs that are stock height but with a higher rate? I daily drive my car on Skid Row in downtown LA and it like the baja 5000. Plus i want to keep the rallysport look.

[kngrsll]

Will these be available with springs that are stock height but with a higher rate? I daily drive my car on Skid Row in downtown LA and it like the baja 5000. Plus i want to keep the rallysport look.

Well, no one makes a spring like that yet, so i would assume not. Your best bet would be a sleeve type coilover. you can then swap out springs for the rate you want and raise and lower the car at will.


The shocks arrived today, i will get pics soon!!

[kngrsll]

pics added. we are going to get them on the car friday and evaluate them at a Seat-time.com track day in Savannah, GA.

[mrbond]

the rears aren't adjustable, are they?

[kngrsll]

the rears aren't adjustable, are they?

all 4 are adjustable...

[kngrsll]

I just got a call from the Tokico rep today, they should be available for sale either this week or next! w00t!!

[mrbond]

Ah, okay. I didn't see the adjustment dial on the rear shock. I assume it must be at the top? The C-One rear shock has the dial towards the bottom of the unit, so that's what I was looking for :P

[regal]

I don't see that these will do much for us untill we get the G series tanabe springs

[kngrsll]

I don't see that these will do much for us untill we get the G series tanabe springs

you should see what some cars do in stock series autox (in which they can only change: dampers, tires, and front sway bar); dampers are the single most important piece of suspension on a vehicle.

When i get the shocks installed, they are going to be evaluated by a professional race driver with alot of experience. He is very familiar with koni's and suspension tuning, and is the owner of Seat-Time.com (http://www.seat-time.com/html/main.htm) as well. We may also get a Rolex Sports Car drivers input as well, his name is Leh Keen (http://www.lehkeen.com/). I will have a full review and write up for you guys that are interested.

also, the tokico rep i have been in contact with is trying to get ground control on board with us, so then we have literally unlimited spring options.

I am really excited about these shocks, they are going to be pretty sweet :D

[regal]

you should see what some cars do in stock series autox (in which they can only change: dampers, tires, and front sway bar); dampers are the single most important piece of suspension on a vehicle.

When i get the shocks installed, they are going to be evaluated by a professional race driver with alot of experience. He is very familiar with koni's and suspension tuning, and is the owner of Seat-Time.com (http://www.seat-time.com/html/main.htm) as well. We may also get a Rolex Sports Car drivers input as well, his name is Leh Keen (http://www.lehkeen.com/). I will have a full review and write up for you guys that are interested.

also, the tokico rep i have been in contact with is trying to get ground control on board with us, so then we have literally unlimited spring options.

I am really excited about these shocks, they are going to be pretty sweet :D



keep us posted sounds exciting although I am thrilled with my TRD springs+Takico Blue Shocks.

[TheRealEnth]

ooo adjustables1!!

[kngrsll]

keep us posted sounds exciting although I am thrilled with my TRD springs+Takico Blue Shocks.

yeah, i have heard so many good things about the blues on the forum... the HTS is supposed to be that much better. i cant wait to get some good shock dyno's!!

[kngrsll]

just did a track day today! OMG so much awesome :) :) :)

full write up coming later!! (with track times, corner speeds, and data acquisition!!!)

[regal]

which springs did you use?

[kngrsll]

DF210's, i thought about switching to teins but i didnt get a chance.

the car was great, it handled so good. i had a few guys drive it and they all loved it. the guy who was reviewing the shocks, JonK, has been racing for a long time and he said its in his top 3 fun cars to drive list. i was blown away by the reception the car got, especially from guys in Z06 corvettes, and all kinds of high horsepower cars, they all love it. anyways, i cant wait for the review from Jon.

[mrbond]

^ How much did you end up paying, including shipping?

[Lafiro]

^ How much did you end up paying, including shipping?

x2

[hatchbackkid82]

OK so How much??????

[kngrsll]

i dunno how much they will be, I will call and ask when they will be available. I mentioned microimageonline.com and Garm to him already, so he knows to make that account a priority.

[HTM Yaris]

:headbang::bow::headbang::bow:

Good to hear you are back on track (pun intended) I was trying to get there but we had an Intra-Op CT scheduled for that day , 2 Nuero Surgeons insisted that I be there during the proceedure . Yes I said INTRA-OP CT . Yes that means a CT scan ( 2 actually , pre and post , both with contrast) DURING the surgery . A Trans Sphenoidal Tumor to be exact .

Feels good to be needed .

Should be interesting to read what JonK has to say , for sure .

[kngrsll]

:headbang::bow::headbang::bow:

Good to hear you are back on track (pun intended) I was trying to get there but we had an Intra-Op CT scheduled for that day , 2 Nuero Surgeons insisted that I be there during the proceedure . Yes I said INTRA-OP CT . Yes that means a CT scan ( 2 actually , pre and post , both with contrast) DURING the surgery . A Trans Sphenoidal Tumor to be exact .

Feels good to be needed .

Should be interesting to read what JonK has to say , for sure .

wow crazy... ive been doing alot of pediatric cases lately. i am learning to set up and run the pump, im pretty excited! we did a tetralogy of fallot repair today, he did a transseptal patch over the pulmonary valve to relieve the stenosis, it was pretty wicked!

i can tell you now that the shocks had a several second improvement in laptimes. that was the only variable changed, the shocks. we didnt even really do much adjustment either. anyways, full write up is coming :D

[cali yaris]

kngrsll, thanks for the testing and for hopefully a hook up. The shocks/struts sound great!

[regal]

OK so How much??????



OK how much with a set of springs that bring them to their full or fullish potential?

[slvryaris]

Thats funny it has a cavalier on the fitment guide..

[kngrsll]

So they should be available around mid June and should cost around $800 for a set. I really love the set I got, they did awesome at the track! Still working on that write up, school has been mega busy! here are the part numbers:

HTS116FR
HTS116FL
HTS116R

[Lafiro]

$800 for adjustable struts/shocks, no springs?

[largeorangefont]

Jesus that is rediculous. HTS are supposed to be good, but the price is a little extreme for a single adjustable shock.

[regal]

crazy price, might as well go with coilovers for that price considering there isn't a spring made that can keep up with the HTS shock.

[TheRealEnth]

well you could always get just the rears and adjust them or vice versa, then get blues on the other end

[largeorangefont]

With the adjustable shocks there are only a couple settings that will properly damp your springs. Once they are set you are good, and you pretty much leave them on track or street.

[cali yaris]

that does seem pricey -- wow. Megan coilovers are $860 shipped.

[mrbond]

Doesn't seem too bad when compared with the C-One dampers: $1115 without springs. As soon as there's a competent spring set, I think these HTS's will be fantastic.

[largeorangefont]

that does seem pricey -- wow. Megan coilovers are $860 shipped.

It seems that they are between $750 and $850 for all applications. They are not going to sell many of those until the price comes down.

I was expecting around $500, in line with the old Illumnias.

[largeorangefont]

Doesn't seem too bad when compared with the C-One dampers: $1115 without springs. As soon as there's a competent spring set, I think these HTS's will be fantastic.

That is the other problem. No one makes stiff lowering springs to really utilize these dampers.

Using these with Tanabe, TRD, or Tein lowering springs is kind of a waste.

[mrbond]

I wonder if those new Tigertec springs Garm's going to start selling would be stiff enough. The spring rates were pretty damn high in comparisson to like Tanabe and such: 4k front/ 3.1k rear.

[kngrsll]

I am hoping to get Ground Control to make coilovers so any spring rate can be used.

And i would love to see a comparison on the 750-850 coilover dampers to the Tokico HTS. I think that would tell quite a story on where the price goes.

[largeorangefont]

I am hoping to get Ground Control to make coilovers so any spring rate can be used.

And I would love to see a comparison on the 750-850 coilover dampers to the Tokico HTS. I think that would tell quite a story on where the price goes.

The end result will probably be very similar overall. You are talking $400 for GC coilovers at a minimum. You will also probably need to limit suspension down travel in the rear somehow to keep the rear springs from falling out. The stock struts have a lot of droop as do the HTS rear shocks.

Megans/K Sports etc aren't the best coilovers, but they are pretty decent, and will work just fine for 99% of the Yaris track dogs. The cheaper price is pretty compelling for a such a cheap vehicle.

[kngrsll]

The end result will probably be very similar overall. You are talking $400 for GC coilovers at a minimum. You will also probably need to limit suspension down travel in the rear somehow to keep the rear springs from falling out. The stock struts have a lot of droop as do the HTS rear shocks.

Megans/K Sports etc aren't the best coilovers, but they are pretty decent, and will work just fine for 99% of the Yaris track dogs. The cheaper price is pretty compelling for a such a cheap vehicle.

Most of the fast Honda track/autox cars ive seen in my experience were using the GC/Koni set up. The HTS are just as good if not better than the OTS yellows, so there is a ton of potential. Will that level of suspension quality matter to most owners? Apparently not, its more about saving $400 than about picking the pieces that can really maximize the cars potential in competition (that have ACTUAL dyno graphs with adjustablity that does what it is supposed to.) Granted, most yaris owners are not going to take their cars to nationals, regionals, or try to win SCCA autoxs or time trial, but to me, id rather fork out the extra $400 for components i trust.

For example, i used to have a 240sx that was built like your typical tuner car. Lots of bracing, big brake kit, adjustable arms, big wheels, and D2 coilovers. So i autox'd a few times and really got interested in it. A guy i started hanging out with gave me some advice, build your car to fit a class and maximize its potential instead of throwing random parts at it that you dont know how to adjust. So i sold the big brakes, sold the braces and arms, and used that money to buy slicks, bushings, and driving time at autox and track days. The car drove so much better! With a proper alignment at a race shop with settings derived for performance driving, i was now winning autox's regularly (in my class of course lol.) The next big crux? The cheapo D2 coilovers. I got rid of them to run koni yellows and GC's, and again the same result. The car improved ALOT. The dampers actually worked, they actually responded to adjustment as well! I nearly won a regional event, and a i made a former national champion mad bc i was so close to his time and i was just so no name kid who had gotten good advice and listened to it. So the moral of the story is, if you want to race and compete, you really need to think about the parts you select. I have applied those lessons to my newest car and its gone very well. It is well balanced, great to drive, and easy to maintain. My first mod was an a custom alignment which made a massive difference. The next mod was the springs, which didnt really change anything bc they were near stock rates. The final mod was the dampers/rear sway bar which really changed the car. It is an amazing little machine to drive now...

Im not saying the ebay coilovers have their place. If you really want to slam your car for cheap, they are great. If you want to race at a high level of competition, i dont think they are going to cut it.

so overall, i guess i do agree with you... but it still makes me frustrated lol

[largeorangefont]

Most of the fast Honda track/autox cars ive seen in my experience were using the GC/Koni set up. The HTS are just as good if not better than the OTS yellows, so there is a ton of potential. Will that level of suspension quality matter to most owners? Apparently not, its more about saving $400 than about picking the pieces that can really maximize the cars potential in competition (that have ACTUAL dyno graphs with adjustablity that does what it is supposed to.) Granted, most yaris owners are not going to take their cars to nationals, regionals, or try to win SCCA autoxs or time trial, but to me, id rather fork out the extra $400 for components i trust.

For example, i used to have a 240sx that was built like your typical tuner car. Lots of bracing, big brake kit, adjustable arms, big wheels, and D2 coilovers. So i autox'd a few times and really got interested in it. A guy i started hanging out with gave me some advice, build your car to fit a class and maximize its potential instead of throwing random parts at it that you dont know how to adjust. So i sold the big brakes, sold the braces and arms, and used that money to buy slicks, bushings, and driving time at autox and track days. The car drove so much better! With a proper alignment at a race shop with settings derived for performance driving, i was now winning autox's regularly (in my class of course lol.) The next big crux? The cheapo D2 coilovers. I got rid of them to run koni yellows and GC's, and again the same result. The car improved ALOT. The dampers actually worked, they actually responded to adjustment as well! I nearly won a regional event, and a i made a former national champion mad bc i was so close to his time and i was just so no name kid who had gotten good advice and listened to it. So the moral of the story is, if you want to race and compete, you really need to think about the parts you select. I have applied those lessons to my newest car and its gone very well. It is well balanced, great to drive, and easy to maintain. My first mod was an a custom alignment which made a massive difference. The next mod was the springs, which didnt really change anything bc they were near stock rates. The final mod was the dampers/rear sway bar which really changed the car. It is an amazing little machine to drive now...

Im not saying the ebay coilovers have their place. If you really want to slam your car for cheap, they are great. If you want to race at a high level of competition, i dont think they are going to cut it.

so overall, i guess i do agree with you... but it still makes me frustrated lol

And I agree with you. I'm not knocking you, running GC sleeves would be a great setup if they made them, or you could get something to work.

You know as well as I do that 99% of Yaris owners aren't going to spend the extra cash to have such a setup however.

A correctly valved Koni/HTS etc. with a coilover sleeve setup will outperform a "cheap" coilover kits in most (if not all) cases. Some of the "cheap" coilover kits are obviously better than others. Unfortunately, Yaris owners don't have many choices for "stiff" coilover setups.

I'm leaving the Teins out purposely because they are more for street performance.

In this case you are talking a 30% price difference minimum between the two setups. I don't think that a HTS/GC setup would end up being 30% better than K sport coilovers for instance.

Generally speaking, I dont think there is anything wrong with a GOOD "cheap" coilover (Stance, BC, etc.) As I said, some are better than others. D2s would not be on my "good" list from what I have seen of them.

I have experience with both types of setups. I have custom valved Bilsteins with coilover sleeves on my Mustang Cobra. I like the setup a lot, and I am as fast or faster than many EVOs and STIs on technical tracks.

I have BC coilovers on my RX7, which is primeraly a track car. I have been very satisfied with the coilovers. Out of the box they sucked, and were extremely stiff. Once I set the damping correctly, The car handled and drove much better, and rides well considering the spring rates. It took about 20 minutes driving around do get them dialed in. Again, I'm not going for SCCA Run off status here, but I was faced with the same issue. $1200+ for Konis and GC sleeves, or get a coilover kit for $800. I rode in cars with the Konis and the feel was similar. I could see the Koni's being more consistent near the limit, but at this point it was not worth the extra 30% price.

I think the main problem with the "cheap" coilovers is that they have so many damping settings people never get them set up correctly, and dont get the settings balanced from front to rear, or they get rediculously stiff springs.

[kngrsll]

i thought i replied to that? oh well... here is a pic from the test. Still working on the article...

http://www.racerjon.com/pictures/jon/yaris_jon.jpg

that is at 93 mph in turn 3 at roebling road!

[HTM Yaris]

Ken , when you do your article , please tell everyone about the staggered wheel size that you are using ( MR2 + 15"195 up front and 16" 205 in the rear ) . My MR2 is that way anyway .

[largeorangefont]

i thought i replied to that? oh well... here is a pic from the test. Still working on the article...

http://www.racerjon.com/pictures/jon/yaris_jon.jpg

that is at 93 mph in turn 3 at roebling road!

Car looks good... How do you like that Ultra rear sway bar?

[markitect]

Any chance of getting a dampening graph on these, preferable with stock graphed as well?

[regal]

Stilll not hearing about springs that can be matched to these and give the benefit of the extra cost over blues?

[largeorangefont]

Stilll not hearing about springs that can be matched to these and give the benefit of the extra cost over blues?

Because there are none.

I'm sure you will be able to match these better to existing springs however.

[kngrsll]

Car looks good... How do you like that Ultra rear sway bar?

the rear bar is awesome... the car is really really well balanced. everyone that drove it said it didnt need any front to rear adjustment, it was spot on!

Ken , when you do your article , please tell everyone about the staggered wheel size that you are using ( MR2 + 15"195 up front and 16" 205 in the rear ) . My MR2 is that way anyway .

The MR2 wheels i am are all 15", but the ones in the front are 6.5" wide, and the rears are 6" wide. The tires are all 195/55/15 star spec direzzas (which stick like GLUE and never got greasy!)

Stilll not hearing about springs that can be matched to these and give the benefit of the extra cost over blues?

yeah, havent heard anything either. with some creativity, you can come up with a sleeve/top hat combo so you can run any spring you could think of. I am working on that now. for example: http://volvospeed.com/Mods/diy_coilovers.html

Any chance of getting a dampening graph on these, preferable with stock graphed as well?

yeah, we should be able to get a full dampening graph. there is a generic one on their site, but it is not specific to the yaris. It is useful for seeing the adjustment ranges, but not for the yaris unfortunately.

[kngrsll]

i ordered the parts to install coilover springs today. Lets see if this works!!

As for spring rates, that was kinda tricky. Right now, it has an Ultra Racing rear sway bar (23mm), and DF210s (3kg F, 2.2kg R). The balance of the car was very good at the track. Right now there is a 45 lb difference (0.8 x 56 to convert Kg/mm to Lb/In) with the front being the more stiff end. So i decided to get 300 lb springs for the front AND rear. I liked the balance already, but i decided to shift it towards the rear just a little. I have not tried autoxing yet, and the track i was on was a very soft flowing track with not alot of FAST transitions. So this setup will increase the rear spring rates by 50 lbs over the current set up, while increasing the current rates by 80% in the front and a 145% in the rear (300/56= 5.4 kg.)

ill let you know how the install goes, hopefully do a DIY too.

[regal]

personally I'de like to see them offer a HTS spring and shock combo like Koni reds. That way you know you are getting a spring made thr the shock and vive-versa. Using coil-overpsring with these just doesn't seem like an elaagant soluion.

[kngrsll]

personally I'de like to see them offer a HTS spring and shock combo like Koni reds. That way you know you are getting a spring made thr the shock and vive-versa. Using coil-overpsring with these just doesn't seem like an elaagant soluion.

The fact that they are adjustable means they can be used on any spring you want to use. So if want to shift the balance further rear, i can accommodate by increasing the dampening, and so on...

This set up is not for those who want to just bolt stuff on and leave it. If you dont like to tinker, change your setup, or have adjustability, then i would just get a set of blues and some tein springs. I am doing this because i want to compete. I want to do time trials, autox, and win. I want a higher level of performance than bolt on parts allow. So it takes some work and creativity unless you own a performance oriented car like an S2k, Porsche, or BMW which has nearly any time of suspension you could imagine.

[regal]

The fact that they are adjustable means they can be used on any spring you want to use. So if want to shift the balance further rear, i can accommodate by increasing the dampening, and so on...

This


Point is that there are no springs made stiff enough to take full adventage of the higher settings (particularly the rear.) When someone make a real performance rear spring for thr Yaris I'm buying th HTS, but not until then, I don't see much gain without it.

[kngrsll]

Point is that there are no springs made stiff enough to take full adventage of the higher settings (particularly the rear.) When someone make a real performance rear spring for thr Yaris I'm buying th HTS, but not until then, I don't see much gain without it.

working on it... just relax.

[Lafiro]

hmmm what is this: http://www.jazzproparts.com/Tokico_HTS_Series_Shock_Kits_p/tok-hts107f-toyota-yaris.htm Nonsense? or?

[mrbond]

^ ?!?!
Even if that's an individual price, that's still pretty darn good.

[yaris 2sz]

write ''yaris'' and push ''search''... (look page 3 )
http://www.jazzproparts.com/SearchResults.asp

[kngrsll]

hmmm what is this: http://www.jazzproparts.com/Tokico_HTS_Series_Shock_Kits_p/tok-hts107f-toyota-yaris.htm Nonsense? or?

i dunno what that is, but i know what this is: http://www.jazzproparts.com/Tokico_HTS_Series_Shock_Kits_p/tok-hts107-toyota-yaris.htm

[Lafiro]

So... from what I found and posted, NOT trying to get flamed on here....

What do you guys think of those? I mean part numbers are not the same as what was posted above earlier in the thread. So it makes me wonder how this guy somehow has these already and a low price, I think.

[kngrsll]

So... from what I found and posted, NOT trying to get flamed on here....

What do you guys think of those? I mean part numbers are not the same as what was posted above earlier in the thread. So it makes me wonder how this guy somehow has these already and a low price, I think.

they could have changed the numbers or he may use his own part #'s perhaps? and yeah, if you notice, most parts sell for much less than MSRP. I posted MSRP prices, so seeing less is normal :)

[03Z33]

I didn't read through this whole thread but remembered some of you are waiting for these HTS shocks so I talked to Kenji from Tokico who was at the Spocom booth with a set of these on display. He said they are now in stock for the Yaris and retail "around $900 for the set" but he indicated that "market/street price" should be lower.

They are the same dimensions, and stroke as the stock struts with the only difference being the stiffer dampening (and adjustment).

hope that helps...

[kngrsll]

I didn't read through this whole thread but remembered some of you are waiting for these HTS shocks so I talked to Kenji from Tokico who was at the Spocom booth with a set of these on display. He said they are now in stock for the Yaris and retail "around $900 for the set" but he indicated that "market/street price" should be lower.

They are the same dimensions, and stroke as the stock struts with the only difference being the stiffer dampening (and adjustment).

hope that helps...

Thanks!

[Lafiro]

What happens if you take lets say softer springs, like stock, or NF210's and put them on stiff struts/shocks? How would the ride feel then? Wouldn't the ride feel firm just soft to harsh bumps? I would assume that is the case, and that firm springs would only jolt the wheel down harder/keep it from compressing and that causes harsh impacts.

Please someone correct me if Im wrong.

[kngrsll]

What happens if you take lets say softer springs, like stock, or NF210's and put them on stiff struts/shocks? How would the ride feel then? Wouldn't the ride feel firm just soft to harsh bumps? I would assume that is the case, and that firm springs would only jolt the wheel down harder/keep it from compressing and that causes harsh impacts.

Please someone correct me if Im wrong.

well, guys that autox in stock class cant change springs, but they change shocks all the time. They use really stiff shocks, and it makes the car corner flatter. I think the stiff valving resists the movement better (similar to a spring, but not really?) The ride would be more firm than it was stock (or with DF210s) if you used the HTS on full settings for sure, but you can change that really quick. And its not like running really stiff springs, its much more gentle. Shocks improve handling way more than springs do, but springs are more popular bc you LOOK more racey.

uh, did that help? lol

[Lafiro]

well, guys that autox in stock class cant change springs, but they change shocks all the time. They use really stiff shocks, and it makes the car corner flatter. I think the stiff valving resists the movement better (similar to a spring, but not really?) The ride would be more firm than it was stock (or with DF210s) if you used the HTS on full settings for sure, but you can change that really quick. And its not like running really stiff springs, its much more gentle. Shocks improve handling way more than springs do, but springs are more popular bc you LOOK more racey.

uh, did that help? lol

A little yes. But basically Im asking as follows:

If I want a soft ride, that corners flat like the TRD springs I have, but like I said a soft ride, that wont jolt me like these TRD springs do now, should I get NF's and then get shocks like the tokico blues? Or would the shocks be too much for the springs?

Im asking because I test drove a Mercedes C300 the other day, and it was awesome. It took bad bumps really nicely, but it really sticked to the ground/had a firm feeling, especially around corners, and it got my thinking that maybe softer springs, but firmer shocks is the way to go for me since I live in pothole central.

[PHXDEMON]

Just ordered a set of these from Garm. I guess they are on sale. Merry christmas to me :bow:

[kngrsll]

awesome shocks...

[HTM Yaris]

Lafiro , there are several ways to attack your dilema . 1. Get a coilover system that has adjustable height and dampening . Set the height to the height that you have with the TRD's then set the dampening to soft . 2. Change wheel tire combination . The smaller the sidewall number , the more harsh the ride . Larger wheels means you have accomodate by using a lower sidewall number . 3. Get adjustable (dampening) shocks . The TRD springs will work fine .

I have 2 Yari LB's . One ( white , 2007 ) has TRD shocks with Tein springs . The other (blue , 2009 ) has TRD shocks and springs . The white Yaris has 195/55/15 as tires and the blue has 185/60/15 for tires . When I go on a long trip I take the blue , but when I go to the track I take the white . The blue is noticeably softer .

Also keep in mind the C300 is much heavier and has a longer wheelbase which both aid in dampening .

I think if you go with an adjustable shock in conjunction with the TRD springs and use stock tire size you will be fine . If you still want softer just switch the TRD's for the stock springs .
Hope this helps......

[PHXDEMON]

awesome shocks...

What size are your tires? You don't rub at all on the front IIRC/

[kngrsll]

What size are your tires? You don't rub at all on the front IIRC/

195/55/15 dunlop star specs. when i had the HTS's, DF210's, and rear sway bar, i didnt rub. i just used a dremel on the upper strut holes to help gain some more camber (-2.5* from -1.8) and now i have a slight rub, so ill have to figure that out, but its only when i really jerk the wheel hard and fast.

[PHXDEMON]

195/55/15 dunlop star specs. when i had the HTS's, DF210's, and rear sway bar, i didnt rub. i just used a dremel on the upper strut holes to help gain some more camber (-2.5* from -1.8) and now i have a slight rub, so ill have to figure that out, but its only when i really jerk the wheel hard and fast.

yeah my tires are a lot bigger than that. I think they are like 215s so I'll probably still rub a little bit :frown:

[yaris 2sz]

let me ask you something...

are these for the '06+ yaris too? (pn 107)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOKICO-HTS-Shocks-Struts-01-04-Toyota-Echo-02-03-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem53e148feccQQitemZ36026 1942988QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

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http://www.jazzproparts.com/category_s/262265.htm

[cfeng]

What would be wrong with using these shocks with the aftermarket springs that go with this car. What does it mean to reach the full potential of these shocks by using stiffer springs?

There are three types of damping scenarios, overdamped, critically damped, and underdamped. I know that the spring damper system in cars are designed to be overdamped, instead of being critically damped or underdamped. So wouldn't getting better shocks mean that the car is just more overdamped, meaning a car that sticks its wheels to the ground more rigidly. Therefore, improved shocks with even the stock springs would create the preferred overdamped system.

[Bluevitz-rs]

let me ask you something...

are these for the '06+ yaris too? (pn 107)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOKICO-HTS-Shocks-Struts-01-04-Toyota-Echo-02-03-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem53e148feccQQitemZ36026 1942988QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

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http://www.jazzproparts.com/category_s/262265.htm

No these will not work for the '06+ Yaris.

[2manywheels]

Just order the proper ones from Garm, and.. I love them so far.
Installed with Progressive springs. Still working them in before I go for the alignment. and as mentioned above.. Excellent price!!