what about this kit would NOT work for the yaris?

[Tamago]

http://i39.tinypic.com/2uijjet.jpg


as far as i can tell, the downpipe is the only real "mechanical" issue.

yes, i realize there's not bling bling front mount intercooler, and i wager it'd be a waste of money.. a meth injection setup would easily replace the need for an intercooler and will help throttle response. (shorter piping = quicker spooling) and for $1000 less than a blitz, it's a no brainer..

more power, for less money?

:wink:

[Gideon]

Well the management wouldn't work because of the ECU, although how different are the ECUs? Would putting the computer into a CEL coma to stop it from trying to adjust what the piggyback is doing work?

[Tamago]

Well the management wouldn't work because of the ECU, although how different are the ECUs? Would putting the computer into a CEL coma to stop it from trying to adjust what the piggyback is doing work?

who KNOWS that the management wouldn't work?

[Gideon]

This is true, although our ECU likes to learn and xB does not? That's enough of a difference if it's true I would think to mess up the piggyback. :iono:

[Tamago]

This is true, although our ECU likes to learn and xB does not? That's enough of a difference if it's true I would think to mess up the piggyback. :iono:

no, xa/xb ecu's are re-learning ecus as well. a proper wiring job and volt clamping of the o2 sensor and/or MAF will easily trick the stock ECU into thinking it's seeing stoichiometric all the time, and will not fight your +/- piggyback tuning.

[Gideon]

no, xa/xb ecu's are re-learning ecus as well. a proper wiring job and volt clamping of the o2 sensor and/or MAF will easily trick the stock ECU into thinking it's seeing stoichiometric all the time, and will not fight your +/- piggyback tuning.

Oh. Well sweetness.

[ChinoCharles]

I'm throwing this out there... I heard through the grape vine that the overseas crowd is having success upgrading E-manage blues to the gold firmware and running a MAP sensor.

[Tamago]

in low boost applications i discovered that there was no reason for me to pull out timing.. by the time i was done with my FIC tune i'd put back all the timing i'd pulled out, and ended up netting 20whp by doing so. leave the cams alone, address fuel ONLY and you should be alright. injector control may be the best way to do this (this is why the FIC works very well in that aspect) but i'd suggest using the FIC as a fuel computer ONLY, don't even wire in the cam sensor stuff.. i believe strongly this is why Garm and others have had missfire problems. i dealt with some of those codes as well and found that by adjusting the "default" injector response time set up in the FIC, i was able to do away with the high RPM stuff.

seriously, if you haven't built an engine, you dont' want to exceed 10psi.. so you really shouldnt' be pulling out any timing. trust the stock knock sensor, maybe run meth injection or a big ass front mount intercooler.

[Tamago]

I'm throwing this out there... I heard through the grape vine that the overseas crowd is having success upgrading E-manage blues to the gold firmware and running a MAP sensor.

awesome news!

especially since emanage blues are garbage and therefore very cheap to source :D

[ChinoCharles]

... and I already have one. :smile:

I'm accepting donations, BTW. If everyone sent me a dollar maybe I could crack the case. :laugh:

[Tamago]

just use a hammer and chisel

[ChinoCharles]

LOL

[at3GG]

i'll send you $2 how about that? lol Who knows if this kit will work? It would be awesome, just kind of a big risk when nobody knows for sure?

[saplaymate]

who KNOWS that the management wouldn't work?

Most here are so full of :bs:, theirs nothing special about are ECU, you can modify the signals and it will never "relearn" it self back to stock.

[whooppee777]

... and I already have one. :smile:

I'm accepting donations, BTW. If everyone sent me a dollar maybe I could crack the case. :laugh:

that actually doesnt sound like a bad idea.

[ChinoCharles]

Most here are so full of :bs:, theirs nothing special about are ECU, you can modify the signals and it will never "relearn" it self back to stock.

Did you tune your car with a piggyback successfully?

[at3GG]

Most here are so full of :bs:, theirs nothing special about are ECU, you can modify the signals and it will never "relearn" it self back to stock.

yet all of US are uneducated....:iono:

[gwasabi]

MAN!!!!!!!!!!! THIS WAS MY SECRET PLAN!!! AAAHHH!!!
Well since it's out there already. HKS Kainsai division makes a TurboCharger kit for the yaris. Yes you read correctly, YARIS! not XB or XA or other 1nzfe. It's a YARIS!
Good luck getting one though, Kansai doesn't ship out to US and the kit costs 7k.

[gwasabi]

Most here are so full of :bs:, theirs nothing special about are ECU, you can modify the signals and it will never "relearn" it self back to stock.


Its a misconception. it wont relearn back to stock. It'll learn around it though because it generally tries to keep everything running at a equal ratio and blah blah blah. I don't know crap about cars just my 2 cents lol.

[Tamago]

Its a misconception. it wont relearn back to stock. It'll learn around it though because it generally tries to keep everything running at a equal ratio and blah blah blah. I don't know crap about cars just my 2 cents lol.

so the BS is continued

[gwasabi]

lol dont know the right termsjust generally know what it does lol

[Tamago]

lol dont know the right termsjust generally know what it does lol

what does it do? besides "kinda changes stuff and blah blah"

[Russelt3hPirate]

this is actually a really good idea.

<-- calling sister in Jaaapan.

<3 Yarisworld.

[Tamago]

this is actually a really good idea.

<-- calling sister in Jaaapan.

<3 Yarisworld.

kit is currently in stock in the YOU ESSSSS

[Russelt3hPirate]

kit is currently in stock in the YOU ESSSSS

i want the Yaris one. sheesh.

[Russelt3hPirate]

I'd like to find pics of this installed.

if any one knows of any please post. (xB, xA, yaris what ever).

i'm off to look myself.

[Nexus1155]

What about this kit WON'T work for the Yaris.

Pessimism?

[Tamago]

What about this kit WON'T work for the Yaris.

Pessimism?

i was hoping someone could give a definitive answer.

because as far as i can see, it will work with mild modifications, and is a VERY high quality kit (none of that turbokits.com crap)

[Russelt3hPirate]

who wants to draw this up in an engine bay for me?

[gwasabi]

I mean.....honestly You can take any XA or XB kit and Make it work with mild modification.

Greddy has a turbo kit out for the XB. So does HKS US.

and as far as an answer to tamago, like I said, I know zilch about cars. I said I "GENERALLY" know what it does. You don't really have to be so aggressive though. I mean it doesn't take much to act tough on the internet. Anyway I got no beef with you. just be nicer please :)

[Russelt3hPirate]

I mean.....honestly You can take any XA or XB kit and Make it work with mild modification.


we know, tamago knows that from direct experience. taking his xA turbo kit and putting in a Yaris.

the question was which part of the above kit would cause the issues and need to be modified not "if" it could be.

either way, the argument for the "blah blah" is "why say it if you don't know or aren't willing to argue the point?"

[gwasabi]

oh well. I say it looks like only turbo manifold and the brackets to hold the peices in place needs to be modified. and also maybe hammer in the intake pipes here or there for clearance issues

well I just put it out there. my main point in that post was to say its a misconception that alot of people get when they say the ECU learns around the piggyback thinking it just goes back to stock.

[Tamago]

oh well. I say it looks like only turbo manifold and the brackets to hold the peices in place needs to be modified. and also maybe hammer in the intake pipes here or there for clearance issues

well I just put it out there. my main point in that post was to say its a misconception that alot of people get when they say the ECU learns around the piggyback thinking it just goes back to stock.


and yet you cannot explain how they work, you can just say that it's a misconception.. right..

and the only part physically that needs to be modified is the downpipe from the turbo to the exhaust. the manifold is just fine.

[Russelt3hPirate]

anyone find pics?

[kou]

the only thing that wont work is the downpipe wont meet up with the exhaust it needs extending an inch or two. you would be better off buying the zage tirbo kit for $1800 shipped.

[Tamago]

the only thing that wont work is the downpipe wont meet up with the exhaust it needs extending an inch or two. you would be better off buying the zage tirbo kit for $1800 shipped.

HKS > Zage lol

[kou]

i did some research on both it looks like zage makes the kit for HKS they may use there own hks turbo but everything else is outsourced. the first zage kit was a moddified hks xa/xb tubo kit.

[Russelt3hPirate]

i did some research on both it looks like zage makes the kit for HKS they may use there own hks turbo but everything else is outsourced. the first zage kit was a moddified hks xa/xb tubo kit.

wait a sec, if the first Zage kit was a modified HKS kit, then how does Zage make the HKS kit?

sounds like BS to me.

which one is kou?

[kou]

why would a company not see what was needed to fit there turbo kit in a different model, they would modify the one they have first then make the parts needed.

[Russelt3hPirate]

why would a company not see what was needed to fit there turbo kit in a different model, they would modify the one they have first then make the parts needed.

I take it you didn't re-read your comment or mine.

so you're telling me Zage and HKS are the same in terms of this turbo kit?

the HKS kit was not designed/developed by HKS but by Zage?

Zage stamps the HKS oil pan for them, and doesn't include an intercooler?

I'm just trying to understand your contradictory statement.

[Russelt3hPirate]

looks like Zage used all their good oil line tubing for the HKS order......

[kou]

hks offers there own turbo and engine management for an xa/xb with there finished kit, zage developed the yaris kit from that kit, how hard is that to understand.everyone outsources.

[kou]

looks like Zage used all their good oil line tubing for the HKS order......

copyrights/patents on hks product?zage is not a small company i not think the wont to step on anybodys toes.

[Russelt3hPirate]

hks offers there own turbo and engine management for an xa/xb with there finished kit, zage developed the yaris kit from that kit, how hard is that to understand.everyone outsources.

it's hard to understand b/c you keep bouncing around.

first you said Zage made the HKS kit.

then you said Zage used the HKS kit for their Yaris kit.

now you're saying Zage stole the HKS kit design from the xA/xB and made some minor changes and are calling it their own.

so Zage isn't making the HKS kits, they just used an HKS kit as their initial setup for their new "Zage" Yaris kit.

or are you still saying Zage makes the HKS kits?

see where you're not making sense?

or do I need to add in your previous quotes?

[Russelt3hPirate]

also please define the term "outsource".

if "EVERYONE" outsources, who makes the Zage kit? HKS? :bellyroll:

[Altitude]

^^^ Does this kind of shit keep you up at night? Seriously, you have way too much time on your hands.

[Russelt3hPirate]

^^^ Does this kind of shit keep you up at night? Seriously, you have way too much time on your hands.

no, I sleep fine.

I just would prefer to know the truth whenever possible instead of some mindless regurgitation found somewhere on the internets.

does me asking questions keep you up at night? :iono:

I actually get paid by Yarisworld to keep the drama going.*
*the above comment is 100% false

[cali yaris]

I actually get paid by Yarisworld to keep the drama going.


... and you're doing a great job with overly aggressive negativity and sarcasm.

The actual knowledge you have is pretty good, though. :clap:

[Russelt3hPirate]

... and you're doing a great job with overly aggressive negativity and sarcasm.

The actual knowledge you have is pretty good, though. :clap:

I'll try to be cuddly and lovey dovey for a few days and see if it helps, but from what I've witnessed before it takes short sentences to get the point across on a forum and that can misconstrued as aggressive and negative, then again if something is in the middle of a paragraph there is a very slim chance it'll get read especially if it is something worth reading. Thank you cali for your positive comments towards my knowledge. Cali, do you have any comments about this turbo kit in particular?

[cali yaris]

ok, I'll offer a few comments. The context for my comments is that someone buying this expects to more or less bolt it on and have a professional shop make adjustments, fabricate what's needed, tune and dyno the car.

1. What turbo is it? It's the heart of the kit, and I personally would only trust a name brand in my car to blow boost.

2. I like water lines and external wastegates, but that's not a critical point.

3. Management - I've always recommended finding a good shop with a dyno and someone who really knows how to tune cars before installing anything. Further, the tuner will have a preferred method/more knowledge on how to do it. Make sure they know how to tune the car with THIS management, including wiring, or you'll be wasting money on parts they can't use.

4. As noted, a downpipe will need to be fabricated. Again make sure the shop you are dealing with can do ALL of the work required to complete the project.

5. Intercooler and BOV -- Routing, choices, fabricating and installing will cost something, as will the purchase of a BOV.

The bottom line: It's an unknown turbo with quite a bit of work (in my opinion only!) to install correctly and unknown tuning strategy to make reliable power with a USDM car. I personally would lay out a plan, find a shop, source a mani, a turbo, and just build my own.

[Russelt3hPirate]

building ones own would obviously be a better solution as it'd all be custom and to the proper (hopefully) specs.

maybe we can find someone with a bunch of $$ willing to test? :bellyroll:

[Altitude]

no, I sleep fine.

I just would prefer to know the truth whenever possible instead of some mindless regurgitation found somewhere on the internets.

does me asking questions keep you up at night? :iono:

I actually get paid by Yarisworld to keep the drama going.*
*the above comment is 100% false

:biggrin:

The internet is full of mindless regurgitation of useless info and knowing this I tend to do my own research rather than brow beat random posters over confusing or incomprehensible comments.

So... YW wants to know - are you and Tamago related in some way? I'd swear you two are twins separated at birth. :wink:

Lastly, to give props where due - Tamago does seem to know his shit and for that he has my respect - though I do enjoy needling him a bit over his demeanor - I'm not so familiar with you (other than your wheel snobbery) so I'll have to take Garm's word for it.

Sleep well!

[Tamago]

what is garm's word?

[ChinoCharles]

building ones own would obviously be a better solution as it'd all be custom and to the proper (hopefully) specs.

maybe we can find someone with a bunch of $$ willing to test? :bellyroll:

Better yet, lets find someone with more hot air than meaningful words to keep complaining about the lack thereof!

OOP! Nevermind, got him!

Either put up the money yourself or do us all a favor and JUST SHUT UP.

:burnrubber:

[ChinoCharles]

And yes, Tamago brings something to the table. Russel just wastes DB space.

[PETERPOOP]

Chino + Tamago = New best friends.

[Tamago]

Better yet, lets find someone with more hot air than meaningful words to keep complaining about the lack thereof!

OOP! Nevermind, got him!

Either put up the money yourself or do us all a favor and JUST SHUT UP.

:burnrubber:

you speak of someone who has $1600 wheels and $1600 coilovers... ;) ;) if the priority pointed toward forced induction, Russell The Pirate would already have it.. and it'd be running fine with no CEL's..

[ChinoCharles]

I often disagree with stuff Tamago says and he knows it. I've told him numerous times, but I also respect him because if you can cut through his 'tude the dude knows his crap.

Russel just likes to hear himself talk. :laugh:

[Russelt3hPirate]

And yes, Tamago brings something to the table. Russel just wastes DB space.

ahh thanks Chino. <3 you too. :wub:

[Tamago]

Chino + Tamago = New best friends.

go polish your poop, peter. you don't belong in a thread relating to intelligent conversation.

[ChinoCharles]

you speak of someone who has $1600 wheels and $1600 coilovers... ;) ;) if the priority pointed toward forced induction, Russell The Pirate would already have it.. and it'd be running fine with no CEL's

SO GET ON IT FLORIDA FACTION! What the hell?!

[ChinoCharles]

ahh thanks Chino. <3 you too. :wub:
We need a kissy face smiley.

[Tamago]

SO GET ON IT FLORIDA FACTION! What the hell?!

we have hub spacers in the works, be patient!

[ChinoCharles]

Good, I need 'em. :laugh: However, you can't tune a Yaris with a hub spacer... or can you? Peterpoop?

[Russelt3hPirate]

I often disagree with stuff Tamago says and he knows it. I've told him numerous times, but I also respect him because if you can cut through his 'tude the dude knows his crap.

Russel just likes to hear himself talk. :laugh:

that's true, my typing voice is pretty sweet. :w00t:

[supmet]

http://i.pbase.com/o4/98/583898/1/63713938.qaEEdjG9.popcorn.gif

[ChinoCharles]

Have you seen my baseball? Have YOU seen my baseball?

LOL we love you Russel.

[PETERPOOP]

go polish your poop, peter. you don't belong in a thread relating to intelligent conversation.

YOU don't belong on a YW forum.

?

Too bad you and chino are best buds, or we could possibly get you permanently banned. :frown:

How does a user who constantly insults and is condescending towards other YW members, who has also been temp banned a couple times, still be allowed on here?

Oh wait, he knows his stuff, so everything can be accepted. Just gotta follow chino's advice by "looking past his attitude." Amazing.

Way to go YW! *high five*

[ChinoCharles]

How does a user who constantly insults and is condescending towards other YW members, who has also been temp banned a couple times, still be allowed on here?

I don't know Peter, YOU TELL US. LOL

[PETERPOOP]

I guess if i had a moderator on my nuts, i'd be safe too. Oh wells.

Who am I condescending towards? PLEASE SHOW ME. I only respond to tamago.

Done in this thread. Back to the topic.

[Russelt3hPirate]

LOL we love you Russel.

hey now, don't be putting positive remarks in my quotes!

[Tamago]

YOU don't belong on a YW forum.

?

Too bad you and chino are best buds, or we could possibly get you permanently banned. :frown:

How does a user who constantly insults and is condescending towards other YW members, who has also been temp banned a couple times, still be allowed on here?

Oh wait, he knows his stuff, so everything can be accepted. Just gotta follow chino's advice by "looking past his attitude." Amazing.

Way to go YW! *high five*

you're out of line

you got banned too, let's not forget that.. and it was for threatening my life. yeah yeah, you were joking, hah hah, but you know what, telling me you're going to kill my family and my dog... well that proves your immaturity and stupidity. walk away while you have at least a little self-worth left

[ChinoCharles]

I PMed the admins three days ago. I'm not gonna be a mod anymore. Thanks Peter, you convinced me.

Tamago might prove to be helpful w/ FI applications down the road. What are you going to do again? Post a video? Relax dude... hes got your number, get over it.

[ChinoCharles]

So Russel, when are YOU gonna turbo your Yaris?!

[Tamago]

I don't know Peter, YOU TELL US. LOL

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hey peterpoop, come join www.floridastreetscene.net

[PETERPOOP]

your dog still isn't safe...

[ChinoCharles]

The Greyhound or the Border Collie?

HUH?

[supmet]

your dog still isn't safe...

Who are you, the wicked witch of the west?

[PETERPOOP]

I PMed the admins three days ago. I'm not gonna be a mod anymore. Thanks Peter, you convinced me.


:clap:

[ChinoCharles]

Peter, tell me one thing... how old are you? Its killing me.

[Altitude]

Come on guys - you're supposed to be beating on Russel-the-Irate not on each other.

[ChinoCharles]

You guys just haven't come to understand the Florida boys yet. Telling Russel or Tamago they suck is like saying "Hey baby, want a massage? C'mere."

[Russelt3hPirate]

So Russel, when are YOU gonna turbo your Yaris?!

I've been thinking about it. It'll always be a desire, but it wont become a reality (for the Black Yaris) for a long while (unless all the kinks get worn out). I don't want to be a guinea pig for a turbo setup on the Yaris. Would rather play around with suspension/wheels.

Plus I'm still leaning towards competing in STS (Solo 2 SCCA class) with the Yaris, it'll help me curb my desire to spend $$ unnecessarily.

already got the Coils and the Wheels, just need to get a CG lock and seat time.

I'm familiar enough with turbo motors that I like to keep tabs on it all, plus after riding in Tamago's VF39 power'd 1nzfe it is damn tempting, but SCCA classing on an armature level has allowed me to keep the spending down on the STI hopefully it'll do the same for the Yaris. :)

as the saying goes, we shall see.

that HKS kit looks promising, but honestly I'm not certain enough about EM to do it.

[Tamago]

EM would be fine in a yaris. i mean, besides national competition, who are you gonna be up against? no one brings a car in under E mod..

i've beaten an NSX who was A mod...... accidentally ended up in his class... and still beat him.. so.... EM is a good place to be.

don't do street tire. the point is to have fun, and who has fun on street tires, seriously?

[ChinoCharles]

I've been thinking about it. It'll always be a desire, but it wont become a reality (for the Black Yaris) for a long while (unless all the kinks get worn out). I don't want to be a guinea pig for a turbo setup on the Yaris. Would rather play around with suspension/wheels.

Plus I'm still leaning towards competing in STS (Solo 2 SCCA class) with the Yaris, it'll help me curb my desire to spend $$ unnecessarily.

already got the Coils and the Wheels, just need to get a CG lock and seat time.

I'm familiar enough with turbo motors that I like to keep tabs on it all, plus after riding in Tamago's VF39 power'd 1nzfe it is damn tempting, but SCCA classing on an armature level has allowed me to keep the spending down on the STI hopefully it'll do the same for the Yaris. :)

as the saying goes, we shall see.

that HKS kit looks promising, but honestly I'm not certain enough about EM to do it.

You're the guys that we need to be the guinea pigs. I'm worthless as a guinea pig... if you're in Ohio and you don't drive a 'Stang or a 'Vette you can't even drive into half of the dyno shops. The other half aren't willing to hop on the guinea pig band wagon.

If I could find a shop willing to figure it out and not murder me on the price within about 5 states I'd do it, but when they ask "what are you using" and I explain exactly whats going on they shy away.

[Russelt3hPirate]

EM would be fine in a yaris. i mean, besides national competition, who are you gonna be up against? no one brings a car in under E mod..

i've beaten an NSX who was A mod...... accidentally ended up in his class... and still beat him.. so.... EM is a good place to be.

don't do street tire. the point is to have fun, and who has fun on street tires, seriously?

Engine Management.......

I'm going back to street tires to improve the driver ability, get rid of my old habits from 275s....haha

[Tamago]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

E mod

[Tamago]

You're the guys that we need to be the guinea pigs. I'm worthless as a guinea pig... if you're in Ohio and you don't drive a 'Stang or a 'Vette you can't even drive into half of the dyno shops. The other half aren't willing to hop on the guinea pig band wagon.

If I could find a shop willing to figure it out and not murder me on the price within about 5 states I'd do it, but when they ask "what are you using" and I explain exactly whats going on they shy away.

once i'm in TN i'm closer, feel free to come down, i'll have a shop by then, and worthy of a visit

[ChinoCharles]

Oh, its on. Whenish?

[Russelt3hPirate]

You're the guys that we need to be the guinea pigs. I'm worthless as a guinea pig... if you're in Ohio and you don't drive a 'Stang or a 'Vette you can't even drive into half of the dyno shops. The other half aren't willing to hop on the guinea pig band wagon.

If I could find a shop willing to figure it out and not murder me on the price within about 5 states I'd do it, but when they ask "what are you using" and I explain exactly whats going on they shy away.

well Tamago proved the stock block can handle some abuse, and he offered to setup the turbo in the Yaris. Can't afford the downtime on the car currently.

Maybe one of these days when we figure out EM (Engine Management) we'll play around with slapping a turbo on.

I'd prefer to have a fully functioning EM setup in an N/A yaris before even attempting F/I but that's just me.

[CASTREX]

I leave for a few hours and I missed so much fun... :bellyroll:

[Nexus1155]

Contrary to popular belief the asian fellows on this forum with turbo kits got the e-manage BLUE working NOT in limp mode and WITH a MAP sensor....AND WITHOUT a CEL. Don't say its JDM ECU, because I can almost bet that the internals are the same, just a different flash for their gas. The car has a 1nz-fe right, same sensors, same DBW, same Damn Denso ECU... .... ...... ........ yeah

Just find out what they did with the O2 Sensor, and clamping the MAF voltage so it reads off MAP and you'll be dandy as candy

[cali yaris]

^ Yeah, just go do that!

What happened to hacking the ECU, Nexus?

[Yoda]

.... can we get back on topic like to hear more ideas about this kit my pockets are getting fat and i need to lose some weight on them

[Nexus1155]

LOL Garm, no joke I need some help. It's almost impossible to find info on this thing let alone trace the lines and find a proper software to comm with the processor. This thing is a beast of an ECU for some reason. I am thinking if I can do this the community would advance 10 fold, but until then I need someone to help me shake my leg, because even with a background in comp engineering its still a bitch...

But immagine on the supercharger people, being able to get into loop faster and being able to shutoff self-learning and tweaking fuel values to proper AFR and cranking up ignition where it needs some and editing the TPS vs. WOT engagement. o man the possibilities

But if you want a turbo kit, get the parts yourself and save like $1200 and have an exhaust place fab something up for you...

[RHDVIPbB]

Well as far as management goes....We appear to be limited. I talked to a good friend at a meet tonight. He says that the Emanage and FIC units are one of the better piggyback units to use. Unless you want to spend the big money and go Autronic or MOTEC.

I kicked the idea around of Forced Induction for a while. I am going to go SC, but I did like the HKS kit. I know of a few Scion guys using it and they haven't had any problems. Thankfully I have a local shop with a dyno and the owner has quite a few years of experience to tune my car right.

[cali yaris]

Four of us have failed with the AEM FI-C. AEM has been less than responsive with assistance. Can't report anything solid about eManage.

[PETERPOOP]

All the tuners on the island here say the AEM FIC is trash; same with emanage blue.

[Nexus1155]

Screw it, someone give me an e-manage blue and a turbo kit and i'll be glad to get it to work for everyone

[anonymous user]

At risk of sounding noobish, why don't stand alones work for the yaris?
Hydranemesis and open source tuning are huge sucesses so far.

[Nexus1155]

They do work, but if you want to spend over $1000 and getting it all wired up to work properly with stock ECU and sensors, lol then go for it

[PETERPOOP]

Garm has a standalone that i believe is installed on his new setup. Not sure if it has been tuned successfully yet...

[Sabretooth]

Hmm, this thread was entertaining... /popcorn

Just seems kinda interesting to me that a man can program the ECU for this car, yet across the globe probably several thousand engineers cant figure it out to crack it, and those who have tricked it, havnt shown any love to the US peeps.

Either the engineer who built the ECU for the Yaris is a freaking scholar beyond scholars, or just not from here (i.e. ALIEN)

[Russelt3hPirate]

Hmm, this thread was entertaining... /popcorn

Just seems kinda interesting to me that a man can program the ECU for this car, yet across the globe probably several thousand engineers cant figure it out to crack it, and those who have tricked it, havnt shown any love to the US peeps.

Either the engineer who built the ECU for the Yaris is a freaking scholar beyond scholars, or just not from here (i.e. ALIEN)

just rip out all the wiring and wire it all fresh. the stock sensors suck anyway.

[Nexus1155]

Not to be a douche or anything Russel, do you do any of the work at all on your own cars other than changing the wheels..... what's your username on NASIOC

[cali yaris]

just rip out all the wiring and wire it all fresh. the stock sensors suck anyway.

That's what I did. The EMS box is just back from AEM - they modified the internal wiring for VVTI. Hopefully this week it fires up - cross your fingers.

[ChinoCharles]

Garm, assuming it does work will we have the option of buying that unit prewired for the Yaris?

[Russelt3hPirate]

Not to be a douche or anything Russel, do you do any of the work at all on your own cars other than changing the wheels..... what's your username on NASIOC

WRX8XB and T3h_clap on IWSTI. :)

more about the STI here.

http://t3hclap.com/archives/40

[ChinoCharles]

My new goal in life is to get a pic of my Yaris with your stamp of approval. :bellyroll: :wink:

[Tamago]

All the tuners on the island here say the AEM FIC is trash; same with emanage blue.

they are trash. all piggybacks are trash.

[Tamago]

My new goal in life is to get a pic of my Yaris with your stamp of approval. :bellyroll: :wink:

you'll need a ryank sized banner that says ROTA on it down the side of your car :headbang:

[ChinoCharles]

you'll need a ryank sized banner that says ROTA on it down the side of your car :headbang:
OMG burn. :laugh:

[Russelt3hPirate]

My new goal in life is to get a pic of my Yaris with your stamp of approval. :bellyroll: :wink:

it can happen. :) I'm looking to do a feature on a few Yari. If anyone is interested.

you'll need a ryank sized banner that says ROTA on it down the side of your car :headbang:

ahaha riiiiight.

[Nexus1155]

Ughhhh surprisingly I am a member on both because i follow rally and ECU tuning. It seems like you're a big suspension nut?

[Russelt3hPirate]

Ughhhh surprisingly I am a member on both because i follow rally and ECU tuning. It seems like you're a big suspension nut?

suspension and wheels tech forums are where I generally "hang". What's your name on each?

[Nexus1155]

Same as my name is on every forum lol Nexus1155. I don't post up just browse around

[Russelt3hPirate]

I don't post up just browse around

understandable.

[33OH]

you'll need a ryank sized banner that says ROTA on it down the side of your car :headbang:

Uh.. I run Ray's Foundry? Or do I not get the joke. :iono:

[Tamago]

Uh.. I'm in love with Garm? Or do I not get the joke. :iono:


:iono:

[33OH]

Didn't realize there was anything wrong with someone paying and sending test parts to you to go to car shows with their name on your car. Last I heard it was quite popular in the car world, called a sponsorship? :iono:

[Tamago]

Didn't realize there was anything wrong with someone paying and sending test parts to you to go to car shows with their name on your car. Last I heard it was quite popular in the car world, called a sponsorship? :iono:

the irony of the word MICRO being 3 feet tall is what makes me :laugh:

[Tamago]

and the joke is actually pointed toward the fact that russellthepirate would NEVER put rotas on anything.. ;)

tell them about the time i painted rota ftw on your wing :D lmfao..

[33OH]

Uhh.. okay. The capital letters are 8" high.

[Tamago]

Uhh.. okay. The capital letters are 8" high.

this is not a decision you should be trying to rationalize with me. i have a panda on my hood lol

[Nexus1155]

Abra-ka-pandamago!

No but seriously we need more viable turbo options under 2k then they would sell like hotcakes

[ChinoCharles]

My car has so many stickers it looks like a cheap bar skank. Its OK. :laugh:

[Russelt3hPirate]

and the joke is actually pointed toward the fact that russellthepirate would NEVER put rotas on anything.. ;)

tell them about the time i painted rota ftw on your wing :D lmfao..

:bellyroll: troof

[Tamago]

Abra-ka-pandamago!

No but seriously we need more viable turbo options under 2k then they would sell like hotcakes

dude, not even a quality civic kit is that cheap..

[Russelt3hPirate]

dude, not even a quality civic kit is that cheap..

what if it was sans turbo/engine management?
:w00t:

[Tamago]

what if it was sans turbo/engine management?
:w00t:

that's possible i suppose.

[Nexus1155]

uhhhh without turbo won't work well. I mean you honestly could do a kit for under $2000 on the retail market and sell it for profit. It might cost you like $900 in parts with intercooler and no management and sell it for $1800... Not bad IMO, but i don't have super welder fab skills

[Tamago]

uhhhh without turbo won't work well.

obvious post is obvious.. lmfao

[Russelt3hPirate]

uhhhh without turbo won't work well. I mean you honestly could do a kit for under $2000 on the retail market and sell it for profit. It might cost you like $900 in parts with intercooler and no management and sell it for $1800... Not bad IMO, but i don't have super welder fab skills

Suppliers being xoRacing or something?

you can make a cheap kit, doesn't mean it's good.

now, if you assembled one using used parts, it'd be feasible.

so Used Intercoolers (saab), used turbos (WRX?), new oil lines (nice ones), new manifold/piping/intake, new DP.

not sure if it'd be feasible for $900 cost if it was all new stuff.

also TMIC ftw. :)

[Tamago]

Suppliers being xoRacing or something?

you can make a cheap kit, doesn't mean it's good.

now, if you assembled one using used parts, it'd be feasible.

so Used Intercoolers (saab), used turbos (WRX?), new oil lines (nice ones), new manifold/piping/intake, new DP.

not sure if it'd be feasible for $900 cost if it was all new stuff.

also TMIC ftw. :)

sounds a lot like this:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/fatherdutami/underhood3.jpg

lol

[Russelt3hPirate]

wonder where I got my inspiration/cost figures......

we could probably throw in an oil cooler too...hmmm ;)

[Tamago]

wonder where I got my inspiration/cost figures......

we could probably throw in an oil cooler too...hmmm ;)

$20!!!

[Nexus1155]

also TMIC ftw. :)

Don't even f'in start with TMIC bs, you have a Subaru, and you obviously know they blow ass even at the expense of shorter piping...

[Russelt3hPirate]

Don't even f'in start with TMIC bs, you have a Subaru, and you obviously know they blow ass even at the expense of shorter piping...

they blow ass? (wont get into the TMIC vs FMIC for a subaru here, feel free to PM or start a thread on Nasioc/IWSTI and I'll chime in there).

reason I said it, is b/c it would be significantly cheaper to fabricate a setup that had a TMIC that was inside the engine bay.

less complexity in the piping, fitment, no cutting of the bumper or bumper beam. (just a hole in the hood.. :bellyroll: ).

when running a large turbo at high PSI I can see the requirements of an FMIC but at 8 psi a TMIC would be fine as long as it had proper flow.

obviously done correctly a nice V-mount setup would be ideal with the organization of the Yaris motor (just need to extend the maf).

either way, for $1800 I'd probably set it up sans intercooler and sell a water injection kit option. :)

[Nexus1155]

oh yeah for a small engine like this and a V Mount, i mean its fine on something that produces little to no heat, but i meant as a solution for a performance vehicle that is going to be running over 20psi and the whole engine bay being roasting hot and the heatsoak deally. THATS when you are better off going FMIC. But recently they did research to find that the V Mounts have been working extraordinarily well since they get a nice volume of air targeted at the intercooler and still allowing it to hit the radiator as well...

But A TMIC would be fine with this little itty bitty.

[Russelt3hPirate]

oh yeah for a small engine like this and a V Mount, i mean its fine on something that produces little to no heat, but i meant as a solution for a performance vehicle that is going to be running over 20psi and the whole engine bay being roasting hot and the heatsoak deally. THATS when you are better off going FMIC. But recently they did research to find that the V Mounts have been working extraordinarily well since they get a nice volume of air targeted at the intercooler and still allowing it to hit the radiator as well...

But A TMIC would be fine with this little itty bitty.

I'd love to hack apart a Yaris and do a full on V-Mount with stepped cores but as you said it'd be a little pointless unless you already have a setup running 20 psi +

see the setup on Tamago's sig?

nice short piping, simple, (just need a hole in the hood)....haha

[ChinoCharles]

I don't know if a TMIC would clear the hood in a Yaris!

[Tamago]

I don't know if a TMIC would clear the hood in a Yaris!

if it clears on an xA, it'll clear on euro NCAP yaris hoods.

[Tamago]

Don't even f'in start with TMIC bs, you have a Subaru, and you obviously know they blow ass even at the expense of shorter piping...

mine worked perfectly.

[ChinoCharles]

I thought you guys had more room? Oh well, it doesn't matter. FMIC FTW. :iono: :laugh:

[Tamago]

I thought you guys had more room? Oh well, it doesn't matter. FMIC FTW. :iono: :laugh:

in the "boost response" war, i'd win, even with a larger VF39 turbo :wink::biggrin:

[ChinoCharles]

I just like the wow factor of a FMIC. Go on, call me a ricer.

[Tamago]

I just like the wow factor of a FMIC. Go on, call me a ricer.

RICER!

[ChinoCharles]

Hey, you've got a FUCKIN' PANDA ON YOUR HOOD! Your car should come with chopsticks! :bellyroll:

[Tamago]

Hey, you've got a FUCKIN' PANDA ON YOUR HOOD! Your car should come with chopsticks! :bellyroll:

it doesn't come with chopsticks, but it did come with fenders large enough to run wider than a 205 without rubbing constantly :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[ChinoCharles]

I hate you. :bellyroll:

[Nexus1155]

hahaha i was about to say the same, what a bastard.... but yeah TMIC < 10psi is fine on a 1.5L teeny weenie

[PETERPOOP]

look at this eye candy. too bad the best part is missing!

http://i39.tinypic.com/wkiupx.jpg

[cali yaris]

n/a panda FTL

[ChinoCharles]

n/a panda FTL

LOL

Thats what my car looked like on install day! :burnrubber: I got some funny looks driving a naked Yaris.

[Tamago]

look at this eye candy. too bad the best part is missing!

http://i39.tinypic.com/wkiupx.jpg

that's right.

i hadn't switched to the VF39 STI turbo, or the 245width tires yet.

by the way Peter poop your stalking of me is really cute. but i don't do dudes, just letting you know before you get your heart broken.

[Tamago]

n/a panda FTL

agreed.

FWD (1WD) econoboxes FTL as well. are you taking care of that problem with your car?

[cali yaris]

FWD (1WD) econoboxes FTL as well. are you taking care of that problem with your car?

Yep. It's no longer 1WD or an econobox. :tongue:

[Tamago]

Yep. It's no longer 1WD or an econobox. :tongue:

econo-egg sorry ;)

what LSD did you put in?

[cali yaris]

Kaaz, about a year ago?

[Tamago]

Kaaz, about a year ago?

sorry, i don't follow you around like most people ;) cool, how do you like it, have you autocrossed the car with the kaaz?

[cali yaris]

I haven't tried autocross yet, but I'd like to. I did two track days with it before I got boosted (the Streets at Willow) -- liked it a lot and I know I'm going to like it now with more power to put down.

Just need to get the darn car started.

[Tamago]

Just need to get the darn car started.

been there.

remember what they say..

Autocross is like road racing, but harder ;)

[Morgan]

who KNOWS that the management wouldn't work?

exactly.. our money says it will.