anyone ever heard of/ tried SALVIA?

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

saw this on G4TV underground last night. smokes like pot and has a high like LSD?
pulled this from google:
“Magic mint”, or Salvia divinorum, is a dangerous new drug that’s being sold on the internet, and as of right now it is legal for people to buy. Teens nationwide have been uploading videos of themselves smoking and suffering from the dangerous affects of this lethal new drug, on Youtube.

Health officials warn that this drug has the same somatic effect as ‘pot’ (marijuana) and feels like LSD (a very dangerous drug that causes severe addiction and hallucinations).

Like most dirty, harmful things that sneak into America, this Salvia takes its origins in Mexico. Kids are taking to the internet in droves to find this herb, so they may smoke and chew it up to become possessed by its ill-affects.

Even if you monitor your child’s internet access, as you’ll see kids as young as eleven have experimented with this drug and are suffering the disastrous consequences. It is even available in hedge shops here in the bay area, being sold by names such as Purple Sticky Salvia for only $20.

It’s tragic to think that the 20 bucks you loan to your son or daughter for a ‘trip to the mall” may actually be going on a drug that will lead them to a life of prostitution, disease and death.

Granted that it mimics weed and LSD, this drug must be very dangerous. Even though 13 states have already banned Salvia, 1.8 million people –many of them teens– are still using the drugs.

[AlexNet0]

Damn, it never stops, does it?

[ChinoCharles]

Yes, and like every other drug on earth, it sucks. Stay away.

[BailOut]

Wow... that snippet you pulled from Google is nothing but pure propaganda.

[ChinoCharles]

LOL, yeah, that is pretty damn skewed.

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

Wow... that snippet you pulled from Google is nothing but pure propaganda.

so was the tv show i seen.....

[YAR1S]

:/ they sell it here in head shops.

[mrbond]

I agree - it's just propaganda. If anyone took the time to research the effects and properties of Salvinorin A (the active chemical), they'd see that it causes no ill health effects other than lung damage (due to the high burning temperature of the chemical). I used to do this when I was in Indiana for school (a state where it's legal btw). I don't see myself on a path to prostitution, disease and death. As far as natural "drugs" go, this is pretty safe in itself. It's what you do when you're on it (all 15 minutes of it) that makes it dangerous.
I hate propaganda - especially when it's as skewed as this. Do your research and be informed.

[Nexus1155]

www.erowid.org anyone?

[ChinoCharles]

Safe my ass. I've seen people have bad reactions to Salvia and its frickin' scary. Stay away.

[ChinoCharles]

drugs are bad....except maybe chronic

ROFL, 10 out of 10 Snoop Dee-Oh-Double-Gee's agree.

[mrbond]

Erowid is definitely a good resource.
Charles - a person has a bad "reaction" because of their mentality. If a person's not prepared for it, they'll freak out like crazy.
This isn't a new plant - it's been used in central and south america for almost 5,000 years for religious/ritualistic purposes.

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

Absinthe......mmm the green fairy

i read that it isn't as strong as it used to be? maybe where your at the potency is better.

[AlexNet0]

i read that it isn't as strong as it used to be? maybe where your at the potency is better.

I wouldnt even know where to get it around here :iono:

[SailDesign]

Yes, and like every other drug on earth, it sucks. Stay away.

+ashitload.

If life sucks that much that you need to use drugs to get through it, you're not doing it right.
Reality - the ultimate high! (plus, it's cheaper)

[supmet]

+ashitload.

If life sucks that much that you need to use drugs to get through it, you're not doing it right.
Reality - the ultimate high! (plus, it's cheaper)

Ah, but hallucinogens allow you to experience things that you wouldn't be otherwise able to in life. There are 100s of tribes from every continent but Antarctica that use hallucinogens for rituals as part of their religion. Are they doing it wrong? I realize your statement says if you NEED to use drugs, and I'll agree with you on that one. If you let it take over your life its bad, but that could be said about anything.

Do you feel the same way about alcohol? At least when I trip I know I can't drive :bellyroll:

That being said, I've never had good salvia, the best stuff I've had just made my legs numb. Most smoke shops carry very weak salvia and overcharge for it. Everyone I know who has gotten good salvia got it off the internet.

[YAR1S]

I watched some videos of people getting real trippy on this stuff ,
and to be honest ....

I feel bad for them,
they go back to being child-like....
and imagine your friends treating you like that, lol.

still funny.
but I'd definately not be that one person crawling on the floor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYxkp62veWE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlV7BXpW6qE

[SailDesign]

Ah, but hallucinogens allow you to experience things that you wouldn't be otherwise able to in life. There are 100s of tribes from every continent but Antarctica that use hallucinogens for rituals as part of their religion. Are they doing it wrong? I realize your statement says if you NEED to use drugs, and I'll agree with you on that one. If you let it take over your life its bad, but that could be said about anything.

Do you feel the same way about alcohol? At least when I trip I know I can't drive :bellyroll:

That being said, I've never had good salvia, the best stuff I've had just made my legs numb. Most smoke shops carry very weak salvia and overcharge for it. Everyone I know who has gotten good salvia got it off the internet.

Yup, I feel the same way about alcohol. I have to admit the only reason I don't drink is that my "good buddies" gave me waaaaaay too much on my stag night ("bachelor party" in the US) so I have not wanted any in 34 years or so. Now I just don't bother with it.
But to answer your question - if you need alcohol in your life, you're doing it wrong. I have NOTHING against occasional drinks, a couple of glasses of wine with dinner, etc. But if you cannot live without it, you have a problem.
I smoked for close to 35 years, but gave that up 4 years ago. My choice this time :smile:

[mrbond]

For some people, myself included, these things aren't needed, because that would make you dependent. Remember the word "experimentation" from the 60's and 70's? That's what these sorts of things are. I'm done with salvia for good, but I don't regret trying it one bit, because I've been able to experience one more thing the earth has to offer.

[Creeper]

ill be happy the day they go after companys for caffine

[eii]

Safe my ass. I've seen people have bad reactions to Salvia and its frickin' scary. Stay away.

Trips can be bad and are short, definitely not bang for your buck. :bellyroll:

[blacksandiegovitz]

Trips can be bad and are short, definitely not bang for your buck. :bellyroll:

^^ True , I'm very 4:20 friendly and I have only done salvia once and I hated it !

[BailOut]

I smoked for close to 35 years, but gave that up 4 years ago. My choice this time :smile:
Congratulations! :clap:

I smoked for 20 years and quit 2 1/2 years ago. I wish I could have those 20 years back (especially when I'm mountain biking at 10,000 feet... I doubt my full lung capacity and function will ever return), and I definitely do not want to go through quitting again.

[mrbond]

ill be happy the day they go after companys for caffine

I actually really agree with this. It causes a lot of damage in terms of irreversible neurotransmitter disturbance.

[Altitude]

It's definitely not the kind of thing one would do habitually unless one is a Shaman or something like that. I've tried it twice, very interesting experiences, but don't really feel the need or desire to ever do it again.

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

which states have banned this so far?

[mrbond]

Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, and Virginia.

[JBIZZ]

You need to keep a constant flame to it, and smoke it out of a water pipe in order to feel anything.

Its kind of like nitrous, but with a bad bugged out feeling. It only lasts a few minutes, and leaves one with a headache.

In my opinion, its the worst thing I've tried. I would not recommend for anyone to try it.

Stick with the greens.

[mrbond]

The 20x extract and more potent extracts were amusing. Visuals were astounding, and one time I believed I was on an incredibly small planet, as a building, and I was competing with the other five buildings on this planet to be the mayor. Or some other such nonsense. And, like jbizz says, I got a nasty (but short) headache afterward. Interesting, but not something I'd do more than once a year...if even.
420 is a good day :P

[CpKi1g3]

its crazy you get this crazy high and it last like 10 min. if you smoke it in a pipe i have a video of one of my friends but his reaction was just being like on weed but some people have reactions like tweaking which is me :-) but it works on the second time not the first time so hit it once and the next day hit it hard and you'll see B-)

[Cicero]

i have tried it once or twice....but there is not a thing like grass,that is just a fake ex... am:D Please everybody week wont kill you!!! Stop being such policeman,i bet everyone smokes weed:D peace

[TinyGiant]

that tosh 2.0 show did a little expirement with pot vs salvia you might find it on you tube. seems like it messes you up pretty bad.

i googled it afterwards because i had never even heard of it . seems like you'd probably want to stay away from it .

sad thing is alot of states dont have laws against it yet since its so newly used.

i never understood the draw to being drunk/stoned/high etc. i have fun enough sober lol

[2+2]

420 is a good day :P

I miss 420 days.:cry:

[severous01]

if weed was legal we wouldnt have to waste resources on potheads n let them kill themselves off....and we would have less taxes to pay for prison...police, intelligence, security, an all kinds of stuff.

but then again, with weed illegal, it provides jobs, and all kinds of things.

[Bob Dog]

Its not like cannabis, kiddies. You frequently do not return to the state you were in prior to ingestion, but get to spend the rest of your existence in some one of a variety of ugly states of permanent malfunction. Psychedelic drugs are worse than other drug in that they have the potential for immediate and catastophic damage. Take them and you won't necessarily go insane, but there is the very real possibility of it.. For fools only.

[TLyttle]

Well, let me see... Most of the gardens around our place used to grow Salvia; pretty flower. Distill anything, and it becomes something potent, even corn and potatoes. Whatcha going to do next, ban potatoes? I grew pot once, and according to the local experts, it was a VERY good crop. Because I didn't smoke anymore (38 years now), I didn't enjoy any of the experience. As an aside, I got the seeds from a cop.

When the US decided to prohibit alcohol, the same scenario developed as we have now, lots of cops, lots of jails, lots of chaos. So, what did Prohibition teach us? Banning substances is pointless. Controlling the manufacture and sales of substances, and taxing the hell out of it, and controlling the potency, works better.

Intoxication is the Fifth Pursuit, right after food, shelter, sex, and water. That is part of what we are as animals, never mind as humans. I've had a lot of pious door-bangers tell me that all those pursuits should be stringently controlled if we want to get to Heaven. I tell them that they are looking through the wrong end of the telescope.

[TinyGiant]

there is a guy that i have as a landscaping client that got a a bad batch of acid in Hs that has permanent violent moodswings and issues. the cops are at his house at least 2-3 times a month and he even tried to burn his parents house down last summer.

[supmet]

Point 1 -

Doing any drug is no different than skydiving, drag racing your yaris, drinking alcohol, dirt bike riding, eating poisonous blowfish, bungee jumping, or thousand of other legal activities done by millions of americans every day. Everything I listed A)releases neurotransmitters in your brain altering your mood, B)has some chance of death, that is C)decreased by legalization which leads to regulation.

Why is skydiving legal and doing acid illegal?

Point 2 -

No hallucinogen has been proven to "make you go crazy" from one properly regulated dose. If your doctor gave you 50,000 mg of morphine instead of 50, you would be dead just as sure as if you went from 300 micrograms to 300,000 micrograms of acid.

Please, if someone has scientific evidence of someone going permanently insane from a single properly dosed hit of any hallucinogen, do share.

Point 3 -

As TLyttle pointed out, prohibition proved why making things illegal just doesn't work. All that happens is the final product becomes unregulated and dangerous, and a commodity giving gangs power. Did you know prostitution is legal in Nevada, outside of Clark county? And that this has lowered the spread of STDs through...(you guessed it) regulation.

Point 4 -

What a person does or does not like or personally condone can never be the basis for law. We would have a million times the millions of laws we already have, and billions of contradictory laws. The only true basis for law should only ever be to prevent harm from coming to a person. Make laws against driving under the influence of drugs. Make it 20 years first offense, alcohol included. I have no problem with that. But the fact is a person doing drugs in their own home is their decision, and if they aren't hurting you, why should it be illegal? As I alluded to above, having drugs illegal in fact creates a less safe situation. THE ONLY, I repeat, ONLY reason we still have massive gangs in America is because drugs are illegal. Past, present, future - mafia, mexican mafia, MS13, crips, bloods - every single gang throughout American history has been powered by the sale and importation of illegal drugs or alcohol during prohibition. And then we have the brilliance to spend trillions of dollars a year fighting the gangs we created and the drugs which were on the planet before us.....

[Bob Dog]

So then you be the exemplar to this generation: perhaps if you knew a few more of the street people by their former first names you would not speak with such uniformed bravado. Your opinions are founded not founded in knowledge, wisdom or experience, but conjecture. You be the star that burns brightly, but much too fast. Good luck Sid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPzMk_p3OMI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhYPc_C2qsg

[TLyttle]

Sure, and if the US was fighting a few less wars, they could be able to afford to treat those who fell under the wheels of ILLEGAL drugs. Now, we just let them live and die on the streets, minds so screwed up, still in the grip of the suppliers, man that works well.

Many other countries have legalised drugs (and prostitution) without driving themselves into some horrible decay, as described by the Bible thumpers and legislators with supporters in the enforcement trade... Just legalise and regulate this stuff.

[Thej3sta2]

hey hey hey weed isnt that bad cmon.

LSD on the other hand is a disaster waiting to happen

[AmyV]

Dropping LSD automatically disqualifies you from a lot of goverment jobs. It is classified similarly to being hypnotized (which also disqualifies): relapse can occur at any time with no warning.

Be careful out there.

[supmet]

Dropping LSD automatically disqualifies you from a lot of goverment jobs. It is classified similarly to being hypnotized (which also disqualifies): relapse can occur at any time with no warning..

So if you take it they fire you, but if they give it to you secretly its fine... got it...

"In United States v. Stanley 483 U.S. 669 (1987), the United States Supreme Court found that a serviceman could not file a tort action against the federal government, even though the government secretly administered doses of LSD to the serviceman as part of an experimental program, because his injuries were found by the lower court to be service-related."

Here's a question. When was the last time you heard of someone becoming addicted to LSD, mushrooms, salvia, or any other hallucinogens(meth and heroin laced ecstasy doesn't count)

LSD on the other hand is a disaster waiting to happen

Please explain... personally I feel 10,000 alcohol related deaths a year is pretty disastrous.

[Thej3sta2]

So you dont think taking lsd is a ticking timebomb. If you dont believe me, your probably a user. There is nothing to explain, its as clear as day Capt. Obvious

Of course Alcoholism is getting out of control. Dui's are killing more. And We cant do aything about it.

[Thej3sta2]

So if you take it they fire you, but if they give it to you secretly its fine... got it...

"In United States v. Stanley 483 U.S. 669 (1987), the United States Supreme Court found that a serviceman could not file a tort action against the federal government, even though the government secretly administered doses of LSD to the serviceman as part of an experimental program, because his injuries were found by the lower court to be service-related."

Here's a question. When was the last time you heard of someone becoming addicted to LSD, mushrooms, salvia, or any other hallucinogens(meth and heroin laced ecstasy doesn't count)



Please explain... personally I feel 10,000 alcohol related deaths a year is pretty disastrous.

Man Dopies/users always get so Excited to talk about why their not addicted.

Did you really spend time looking for a Case file about LSD. Wew time to go outside and work on your yaris.

[tomato]

Careful, everybody. This thread was going real well. :thumbsup:
We don't want to start a pissing contest now. :smile:

[tomato]

I think what he was saying by (meth and heroin laced ecstasy doesn't count) is
excluding meth and heroin laced extasy at least I read it that way.

[why?]

all narcotics should be legalized and taxed. If people want to kill themselves let them.

[Mateo]

I see hallucinogens as a tool, a lot can be learned and things can become clear. They are something that needs to be used in moderation and in the right mind set. They call using hallucinogens "trips" for a reason, they have a beginning, middle and more importantly an end. To me its the end that is important and that you use it as a learning experience. Hallucinogens are far from a recreational drug.

[supmet]

So you dont think taking lsd is a ticking timebomb. If you dont believe me, your probably a user. There is nothing to explain, its as clear as day Capt. Obvious

Its clear as day to the reefer madness generation. But to those who have talked to 100s of people who have done LSD, its not so clear. I think daily use of prescriptions(xanax, ritalin, etc) is far more dangerous than occasional use of LSD and mushrooms.


Of course Alcoholism is getting out of control. Dui's are killing more. And We cant do aything about it.

Nothing we can do about it? Do you think people would drive drunk if you faced 10-20 years in jail first offense? Or what if they took your license and never gave it back?

Man Dopies/users always get so Excited to talk about why their not addicted.

Did you really spend time looking for a Case file about LSD. Wew time to go outside and work on your yaris.

lol. I'm very addicted to cigarettes, weed, and caffeine. I was just pointing out that hallucinogens aren't really addictive, because your brain needs time to regenerate serotonin.

And I've known about US vs stanley for quite some time.. I think its interesting that the government was using LSD at all, and then that a soldier has no rights to their own body.

[Thej3sta2]

I used to be enlisted and i had full control of my body. But if the military did ask me to smoke a bunch of weed (pineapple Express) hell the fudge yeah i would do it. No need to control me their the joints already in my mouth.

[TLyttle]

I'm with supmet on the license thing: kill someone, never, ever, drive again. The fact is, that is the honorable thing to do, regardless of the law. If one gets caught driving drunk, I don't think they should drive again for a couple of years, but they can't build enough jails to hand every one hard time. Lots of community service sounds good, though!

[chongopants]

very bad stuff, if you are thinking about doing it just look up "salvia bad trip" on youtube, dont do it! especially with out a spotter!