Swapping Out Gauge Pack

[schreck]

I've seen it discussed before, but not necessarily with the newer 09s.

The HB doesn't come with a tach in the gauge cluster unless you really jazz it up, but is there a specific reason you can't pop the gauge cluster from the S model into the base HB? It includes a tach and should be same connectors and specs, or so it would appear.

Some say yes, some no, but none seem to agree and I haven't seen any photos posted from those who have done the swap.

Thanks

[supmet]

The mileage is stored in the gauge cluster, basically making it illegal to swap it out.

[cali yaris]

The fact is, no one knows because no one has tried it that I know of.
I think someone should so we can settle this question.

The law is to protect buyers from shady sellers who want to claim lower than truthful mileage. Since that is not your intention, my opinion is don't worry about that detail.

[l2a3k2a3i]

Hmm... Ive wondered this myself.. Ide try after my warranty runs out (7k or so) if i could get my hands on a type s cluster. Mine's an 08 tho

[daf62757]

I had the same idea. I wanted to get my hands on a digital cluster that I have seen in some European Yaris photos but haven't had any luck. I would look at ebay, they have some from time to time.

[Jeemee]

I had the same idea. I wanted to get my hands on a digital cluster that I have seen in some European Yaris photos but haven't had any luck. I would look at ebay, they have some from time to time.

yeah that's the cluster I'd be after. If I could find one I'd buy it and just note the mileage difference.

[Loren]

Seems it would be easy enough to get two Yarii together and swap panels. If it doesn't work, swap back.

I suspect that there may be some dealer tweaking required to get it to work... but I also suspect that it's NOT impossible. If your dash panel breaks, they have to be able to replace it... and probably even reset the mileage on the replacement.

[Sabretooth]

Time to start looking for Rental Car places with 09 Yaris'...hehe

[ka0sx]

I have posted the S gauge cluster part number on here before... i would repost it but i cant remember where i have the sheet. I believe its about $190-250.
I dont know If it works for sure but the tech said it should.

[Gideon]

This is an old forum post of someone with a 07 sedan auto swapping from a tach cluster to a non-tach cluster: (it was linked here a a few months ago)

http://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?TID=97796

They state that the cluster inherited the mileage from the tach cluster when installed. Now they're having the problem of the parking brake light staying on at all times.

I've placed a few calls to a junkyards recently looking for a tach cluster, non-tach are around $150 or so from the call backs I've gotten, I have yet to find a tach model. If I find one and it's sub-$250 I'll probably pick it up to see, I prefer the lighting of the clusters with tach.

[GeneW]

The mileage is stored in the gauge cluster, basically making it illegal to swap it out.

Chances are that your friendly neighborhood Toyota dealer could reflash the cluster gauge, but that's a complete guess on my part. Guess they'd have to able to do something, otherwise what happens to Toyota owners who have a failure in the cluster?

Gene

[schreck]

When I talked to a couple Toyota techs they weren't sure about the gauge swap (they, apparently, never have had anybody ask for one) but they did state the onboard chips hold the mileage and what you see on the odometer is what the chip tells it. If you swap the gauge cluster for a new or old one, the correct mileage should be reflected on the odometer.

Makes sense to me. The days of the old spinning wheel odoms are gone so since the computer handles everything else it may as well handle the mileage settings!

[Sodium Duck]

The one for the 08 S liftback is:

83800-52P10 (no ABS)
83800-52N70 (w/ABS)

From a different thread.

[firebob]

The mileage is stored in the gauge cluster, basically making it illegal to swap it out.

You just have to go retitle your car.

There should be a box that has to do with the mileage being wrong in the car. Just check the box and get your new title.

[ka0sx]

You just have to go retitle your car.

There should be a box that has to do with the mileage being wrong in the car. Just check the box and get your new title.

car loses its value then, might as well be selling a salvage car. from a purchasers stand point, it the millage is not accurate on the title it could be a variety of reasons.

[Gideon]

The cluster doesn't store anything.

Last week I finally tracked down an S cluster locally to swap out of a wrecked 2008 S.

The board where the clock was seated had been broken from whatever crash the donor car was in, and so it didn't work.

They wanted too much for it though, even broken. :thumbdown:

[silver_echo]

IF it is stored in the cluster, there is a label that you can purchase and mount in the doorjamb, that will state what the mileage was on the vehicle at the time that the new cluster was installed, and the mileage listed on the new cluster at that time... this process was put in place because there are occasional circumstances where replacement of the cluster is required to fix an issue(i.e. say the fuel gauge stopped working in the cluster itself but still had the proper signal, or the printed circuit in the cluster failed)

don't know where that would be purchased though, i would check with the dealer...

[firebob]

car loses its value then, might as well be selling a salvage car. from a purchasers stand point, it the millage is not accurate on the title it could be a variety of reasons.

You are right about the car dropping in value. All I’m saying is that it can be done legally and I disagreed with the post that I quoted.

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

over the weekend we swapped a sedan cluster out for one with lesser mileage.(42k to 13k). swap was simple plug n play and new cluster worked like it was brand new. NO need to re-program or worry about old mileage staying with new cluster.

[Sodium Duck]

Wait a minute... I am so confused.

1. Rockland - I thought everyone said that sedan clusters don't fit liftbacks.

2. Gideon - you swapped out the clusters and you're saying that not only are they completely plug and play - but your mileage remained intact??

[1NZYaris1]

Anyone want a digital dash :biggrin:

[kustom play]

i just bought an 08S cluster with tach

i will report back my findings!

[Sodium Duck]

Looking forward to it Kustom...

Umm, yea sure I want one 1nz!

[kustom play]

i'll be surprised it if all worked with no mods (tach and all)

but my thinking is that other markets had them, so maybe the wiring is the same?

i dont know, we'll find out next week i guess

[ka0sx]

i'll be surprised it if all worked with no mods (tach and all)

but my thinking is that other markets had them, so maybe the wiring is the same?

i dont know, we'll find out next week i guess

WHY NEXT WEEK!!?? EXPRESS SHIP =P

[Sodium Duck]

How much did you end up paying for the cluster, if I may ask.

[kustom play]

it was 60 something with shipping

i want to say like 63 bucks?

it said the cluster had 4K miles on it

[Sodium Duck]

Wow, super cheap! Where'd you score that?

[kustom play]

lucky deal on ebay

other ones i found were like 140+

[Gideon]

2. Gideon - you swapped out the clusters and you're saying that not only are they completely plug and play - but your mileage remained intact??

Yup. I'm glad the wrecking place let me try the cluster on. (they didn't actually know if the clock was broken though, so we were testing lol)

Another member has successfully swapped clusters. drifto actually has a Vitz cluster I think that he swapped into his with no troubles. He's got a pic in his garage. :thumbsup:

[HTM Yaris]

Wonder if these will work on 07 LB ?


Edit: Please post before and after pics showing mileage . Thanks

[kustom play]

when i get it i'll post up some pics

i really hope the tach works

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

Wait a minute... I am so confused.

1. Rockland - I thought everyone said that sedan clusters don't fit liftbacks.

2. Gideon - you swapped out the clusters and you're saying that not only are they completely plug and play - but your mileage remained intact??

sedan to sedan with lesser miles and my comment was refering to the milaeage question....

[kustom play]

rockland,

do you know if the tach will work on my 07 that never had tach?

im wondering if its like my MR2 thats prewired for everything even if you didnt opt to get ever package is still wired and waiting....

[CTScott]

The combo meter gets its tach input on the 24 pin connector at pin 16 (light blue wire). As long as that wire is present, the tach should work.

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[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

rockland,

do you know if the tach will work on my 07 that never had tach?

im wondering if its like my MR2 thats prewired for everything even if you didnt opt to get ever package is still wired and waiting....

im looking for an S speedo myself and im hoping its gonna be like my civic cluster and just be a plug n play......

[CTScott]

I stand corrected on the Tach input - The service manual says that the combo meter gets it directly from the ECM over CAN. In that case, it really should be plug and play...

[kustom play]

thanks for the info guys

I will keep you posted as this progresses

[mikenacarato]

please do. i would love to get a new cluster with tach

[Sodium Duck]

Any updates?

[kustom play]

will be here on thursday!

so just waiting now

[Sodium Duck]

wahoo!

[Sodium Duck]

The suspense is killing me~!@!#%

[kustom play]

they sent me the wrong part

so im waiting for somebody to get back to me

[ka0sx]

they sent me the wrong part

so im waiting for somebody to get back to me

=(

[Sodium Duck]

Fire thoughts.

[kustom play]

i was super excited until i opened the box :(

i'll keep everybody posted when I hear back

[AlexNet0]

damn, I was following this, what did they send you?

[kustom play]

just a regular yaris speedometer

no tach

[mikenacarato]

well i ordered what they called the "sport cluster" which had a tach listed as a feature, so i know it will be right. it will be here next week. they said it does NOT need programming and it should swap right out.

[kustom play]

where did you end up ordering yours from?

[mrbond]

^ you ordered this brand new or used?

[heeroyuy01195]

Can't wait to see the results, best of luck to you guys and thanks for being the ones to test this all out!!

[kustom play]

well i ordered what they called the "sport cluster" which had a tach listed as a feature, so i know it will be right. it will be here next week. they said it does NOT need programming and it should swap right out.

i did too and got a regular cluster

they just sent me a slip to ship it back for a refund :(

i ordered mine from a place called LRQ or something like that

i was not happy when i came

[AlexNet0]

^I wouldnt be happy either, lol.

If mikey can post the part number he used, Id probably look for one too, that would be so sweet.

[mikenacarato]

i will when it comes in. i dont remember what it was. i ordered it from the dealer so i know its gotta be right.

[kustom play]

how much did the part end up costing? I want to get one as well! Do you have the part number?

im excited that somebody will be able to check this out!

[ellenbetty]

I remember reading warnings about loss of odometer reading can occurs when the car's battery is disconnected. Warnings to involve the dealer when disconnecting the car's battery. The dealer can handle reprogramming the odometer when the battery is reconnected. So my guess is if you replace the gages and the new odometer reading is wrong, take the vehicle to the dealer and have the odometer reprogrammed with the correct odometer mileage.

[90tsi]

^ if this was the case all the guys that have changed there leds would have experienced this issue and after do them in mine the odometer memory remains.

[mikenacarato]

i have the new S cluster in my car ready to be installed tonight.

[mikenacarato]

here is the final verdict!

everything swapped over fine and plugged right up. it WILL need to be programmed though as the miles will NOT carry over. not sure about 08s but thats the case on my 09.

[CTScott]

Did you get an 08 or 09 combination meter? Also, what is the part number on the one you received?

[Sodium Duck]

Very cool. Please keep us updated when you get it reprogrammed -- any obstacles that kind of stuff.

[Sodium Duck]

And pics!

[n2oinferno]

Absolutely fantastic news.

[mikenacarato]

i got an 09 cluster. there were no problems installing it at all, it was very easy and took about 10 mins or less and you only need a phillips head screwdriver.. ill take a pic later tonight for you guys and post a pic of the box with the P/N.

[CTScott]

i got an 09 cluster. there were no problems installing it at all, it was very easy and took about 10 mins or less and you only need a phillips head screwdriver.. ill take a pic later tonight for you guys and post a pic of the box with the P/N.

Interesting. The 09 service manual doesn't mention anything about reprogramming. In the replacement procedure it does mention disconnecting the battery (but then again it does for replacing anything electrical).

You may want to try for the heck of it disconnecting the negative battery cable for a couple of minutes to see if perhaps on a cold boot the ECM and the combination meter do some type of a sync.

[mikenacarato]

ill go do that right now and let you guys know here in a few mins. im at work so i cant upload pics or anything because of the blocks.

[mikenacarato]

well the negative terminal cant be taken off because of the strut bar being almost on top of it. ill have to tinker with it when i get home and dont have to be away from my desk for a long time. ill let you guys know later.

[CTScott]

well the negative terminal cant be taken off because of the strut bar being almost on top of it. ill have to tinker with it when i get home and dont have to be away from my desk for a long time. ill let you guys know later.

You can try just popping the two ECM connectors.

[auxmike]

8380052P10 =$385.60
Instrument panel - Cluster and switches - Cluster assy - W/o abs
W/s model - Hatchback 2008 :eek:

[mikenacarato]

for a 2009 the hatches auto and manual share the same part #. and they all have ABS so the 1 part number i post for 2009 will fit all 09 hatches

[auxmike]

Here's one for auction right now! From an A/T Canadian model.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOYOTA-YARIS-AT-07-FACTORY-OEM-CLUSTER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1 116QQhashZitem23015da0a7QQitemZ150346768551QQptZMo torsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

[Sodium Duck]

That's a sedan cluster, won't fit hatchbacks.

[auxmike]

THIS is for the Hatch. From Canada in KMs.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-08-Yaris-Speedo-Cluster-Speedometer-OEM-LKQ_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2Q7 c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a1205Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZ p3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem5ad1f6bd13QQitemZ390069 665043QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessor ies

[mikenacarato]

IDK about swapping to a KPH cluster though. If it works then do it

[auxmike]

I have an auto + a scanguageII so I'm not messing with my cluster.
Thought a Canadian member might want it though.....

[mikenacarato]

here is another interesting fact about this swap...if you have had you seatbelt charm turned off by the dealer, you will have to have it turned off again. the programming for the charm is in the cluster.

[CTScott]

here is another interesting fact about this swap...if you have had you seatbelt charm turned off by the dealer, you will have to have it turned off again. the programming for the charm is in the cluster.

That makes sense. The key reminder buzzer interval, light reminder buzzer (on/off), seat belt buzzer (on/off) and units by region are all customizable parameters of the meter's CPU.

Did you get a chance to try the ECM cold boot yet?

[mikenacarato]

i have not. i got home from work at 1230am and had be be back in at 10am... :(

[ChinoCharles]

SWEEEEEET! This question has been lingering for years.