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SailDesign

05-04-2009, 02:03 PM

It's not football or hockey, so... :iono:

I'm with you. It must be one of those American sports.... :laugh:

I've only lived here for 25 years, but I still don't get 90% of the sports. Mind you, I never took any notice of sports in England, so I don't know why it should be different here. :smile:

Mouse

05-04-2009, 03:13 PM

Funny you say that...but without Wade the Heat probably would have won only 15 games like last year...the Cavs without James would have still been in the playoffs in a lower seed. MVP stands for most valuable player not most popular player. Thats why the MVP discussion always comes down to Kobe and James cause they get so much air time on ESPN. Either way I hope the Cavs whoop the Hawks ass...cause I hate them....And please shut up Josh Smith he is the biggest piece of DUNG.

ChinoCharles

05-04-2009, 03:17 PM

I got news for you... if Lebron James wasn't on the Cavs, they'd be sitting @ home right now. They wouldn't have made the playoffs.

We'll whoop the Hawks, don't worry. I want the Celtics!

Mouse

05-04-2009, 03:26 PM

Yeah they would look at the talent you have outside of Lebron James....The heat only have Wade...that's it.

Deltasix

05-04-2009, 04:12 PM

Obviously! I mean, look at how they did in the pla-

Its the regular season MVP award, not the playoff MVP award, if I'm not mistaken

I got news for you... if Lebron James wasn't on the Cavs, they'd be sitting @ home right now. They wouldn't have made the playoffs.

Wrong.

Cavs still have Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Delonte West, Ben Wallace, Wally Szczerbiak, Mo Williams, and Delonte West.

It would be silly to think that they wouldn't make the playoffs without James.

Outside of Wade, the Heat have who? Jermaine O'Neal for less than 30 games?

I'm not a Heat fan, and I do think Lebron James is a very very good player, but as was stated earlier, the MVP award is supposed to be for the most valuable player for a team, not a great player on an already very very good team. Obviously Wade is the most valuable player for a team out there, no way the Heat would have won 43 games without him. Heck, they wouldn't have won 10 games without him.

ChinoCharles

05-04-2009, 04:16 PM

What determines value... the player that barely gets your team into the playoffs or the player that puts your team in a position to have the best record in the NBA?

supmet

05-04-2009, 04:19 PM

What determines value... the player that barely gets your team into the playoffs or the player that puts your team in a position to have the best record in the NBA?

Jordan and Kobe both answered that question. There teams would have easily made the playoffs without them, but they are still both the best players in the world at their time. James will get there too someday :D

Deltasix

05-04-2009, 04:21 PM

What determines value... the player that barely gets your team into the playoffs or the player that puts your team in a position to have the best record in the NBA?

Well, I'd say that a most valuable player for a team would be the one that makes the difference between a winning season and abject failure of a season, someone who really adds something to a team. Someone very VALUABLE to the team. A key player, without which the team wouldn't be what it was. I wouldn't say an MVP is someone who adds polish to an already very solid team.

For example:
Allen Iverson on the 2000-2001 76ers
Kevin Garnett on the 2003-2004 Timerwolves

Now, if the award was just for NBA's best all around player for the season, I'd certain put Lebron James in the running. Probably, at least off the top of my head, give him the award outright for this season. But thats not really what the award is.

tuckevalastin

05-04-2009, 04:23 PM

Dwayne Wade should have been the MVP. Kobe and Lebron put up the numbers but had real basketball teams helping them do it. They both tie for second behind Dwayne Wade in the MVP category.... But back to the real world which runs on money, the NBA isn't going to make any money by giving it to neither Lebron nor Kobe so that instantly knocks Wade out of the running. And since Lebron is the overhype machine it obviously would go to him over Kobe.

Deltasix

05-04-2009, 04:24 PM

Jordan and Kobe both answered that question. There teams would have easily made the playoffs without them, but they are still both the best players in the world at their time. James will get there too someday :D

I would disagree with your first and second point, really.

James probably is the best, if not one of the best, players now. I'd say overall, hes a better player than Kobe. Sure, Kobe has played on better teams, but as an overall player, I'd say James is better.

ChinoCharles

05-04-2009, 04:26 PM

If James keeps his nose out of trouble and stays healthy, he will surpass Jordan. Its only a matter of time.

Deltasix

05-04-2009, 04:29 PM

If James keeps his nose out of trouble and stays healthy, he will surpass Jordan. Its only a matter of time.

Thats a tall order, but I won't disagree with you, it could happen.

It sure would be fun to watch at least!

Mouse

05-04-2009, 04:30 PM

A lot of time at that...he's only 24....But for some reason I don't think he'll stay with the Cavs once he becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2010.

ChinoCharles

05-04-2009, 04:39 PM

Ehhhhhhh... if I know one thing about Lebron James it is that he LOVES Akron, Ohio. I don't think he is going anywhere. He'll get his money.

BLAZINBLUEVITZ

05-04-2009, 04:40 PM

he loves WHITE WOMEN also.....

ChinoCharles

05-04-2009, 04:46 PM

LOL

Deltasix

05-04-2009, 04:54 PM

Ehhhhhhh... if I know one thing about Lebron James it is that he LOVES Akron, Ohio. I don't think he is going anywhere. He'll get his money.

He also seems to love New York, something that I really don't want to see happen.

Mouse

05-04-2009, 04:54 PM

He LOVES NEW YORK....That's where he's gonna go...Believe me I don't want him to go there but he will be on the biggest sports stage in the world. When he does he will surpass both Jordan and Kobe worldwide.

ChinoCharles

05-04-2009, 04:56 PM

LOL like the world ignores him when he is in Cleveland. I never got that angle... it makes no sense.

New York is where good athletes go to die. Ask A-Rod, Stephan Marbury, Jason Giambi... I could keep going.

Mouse

05-04-2009, 05:01 PM

They don't...But do you have any idea how much bigger he will become. The reason the players go there is cause no other city can offer as much money as they can. All of the New York teams make a shit load of money. That's why they always get the players.

ChinoCharles

05-04-2009, 05:03 PM

The NBA doesn't work like that. He can get more money here than anywhere because he played here before. If the Knicks offer him $4 billion dollars, we can (and probably will) offer him $4 billion and change.

When you're as good as he is, the market doesn't matter. Wade does fine in Miami... not known as being a multimedia juggernaut. Women are hot, though, I hear.

Deltasix

05-04-2009, 05:10 PM

New York is where good athletes go to die. Ask A-Rod, Stephan Marbury, Jason Giambi... I could keep going.

....Babe Ruth, DiMaggio, Yogi Berra, Roger Maris, Patrick Ewing,Eli Manning, I mean really, I could go on, probably longer than you could because, being a New England fan in almost every sport out there, I'm a bit hyper sensitive to New York's teams.

But really, more importantly, New York is where people go to get paid. And nobody can outbid a New York team that really wants a player.

Mouse

05-04-2009, 05:11 PM

That's the thing...The knicks will offer him an amount that the Cavs can't match...Simply cause they don't have that amount of money.

Miami is a football town and a town of BANDWAGON jumpers....But Miami is known for things....Clubbing, drugs, and gorgeous women. It's enough to attract players. On the radio they say we have an advantage just because of Miami Beach. When our opponents come to town, they party.

I agree there are alot of GORGEOUS women in Miami. But there for the most part gold-diggers. I'd rather find or date a mid-west country girl. Black hair, light eyes, and that country accent.....Whoa.

ChinoCharles

05-04-2009, 05:50 PM

BLAZINBLUEVITZ

05-04-2009, 05:53 PM

yeah like the WHITE WOMEN......

Deltasix

05-04-2009, 06:02 PM

You guys don't know how the NBA works.

The Cavs have an opportunity to match and exceed any offer given by any team.
There is a cap in basketball. Its a soft cap, but its a cap.
The Knicks can't just offer him anything. They're constrained by league rules. This isn't baseball. (thank God)
He will be the highest paid player in the NBA... probably $28-30 million/year.
If Cleveland has to put him on the court with 4 space monkeys in order to pay his salary they will.

The only way he is leaving is if he REALLY wants to go to New York for cultural reasons. It won't be for the money.

No, I do have some idea how the NBA works, thank you. :wink:

Cleveland has to come up with the money to offer James, and be willing to pay it. I'm not really sure if the Cavs will go the route of sacrificing the rest of the team for just Lebron James. As a matter of fact, I'm sure they won't.

The Cavs have a good team, New York does not. Really, New York could afford to not change much and obtain James in 2010, the Cavs probably will not be in the same position.

Unless James offers a "hometown discount" I really don't see him staying in Ohio, despite all the wonderful things it has to offer..... like.... yeah.

Not to say I'd want him to move, but still, it doesn't really make sense, as far as his career is concerned. Imagined if he played for a big market team? Or even a medium market team that didn't have a franchise based entirely around the commercialization of a single player? It would be a great move for him.

Minne_Yaris

05-04-2009, 09:02 PM

The thing I hate about Lebron getting the MVP award is that for the past 5 years the player who has won the award has lost in the playoffs. Kobe, Dirk, Steve Nash twice, and KG. I hope Lebron can pull it through and win, he's just too good!

ChinoCharles

05-04-2009, 09:04 PM

The Cavs will not lose a game on the way to the finals. I said it before the Pistons series and I'll keep saying it.

frownonfun

05-04-2009, 10:02 PM

That's right bitches. Kobe who? :laugh:

hmm we'll see come the finals. i'll take MVT (most valuable team) over an MVP any day.

and the lakers are that team by the way.

frownonfun

05-31-2009, 04:02 PM

really... he can't even go shake hands and congratulate the other team? cmon. i can understand not always wanting to stand there and have some jackass in a terrible looking suit interview you but an acknowledgment of the other team is a must if you ask me. especially in a series that close. if matt hughes and matt serra can shake at the end of their fight then surely lebron can muster up enough respect for the other team's performance to go say "good game". but whatever. looking forward to the finals.

tuckevalastin

05-31-2009, 04:06 PM

as much as I agree it's ironic that this is coming from someone with a picture of Kyle Bush's car!

frownonfun

05-31-2009, 04:14 PM

ok ok... i should have expected that.... but kyle busch is mostly just guilty of ignoring the media which like i said i got no problem with that. having to explain yourself after losing has got to be annoying. plus nascar is just so much different from your standard team sports (basketball, football, baseball, etc). from grade school to the pros it's just customary to show respect for the other team after a game... win or lose. no one in nascar is expecting you to go to each driver and crew and shake hands.

still i will admit that i think kyle busch has a ways to go in the class department.

tuckevalastin

05-31-2009, 04:20 PM

The Cavs will not lose a game on the way to the finals. I said it before the Pistons series and I'll keep saying it.

:biggrin:

Sabretooth

05-31-2009, 04:22 PM

After the game, Lebron pretty much didnt talk to anyone, just went to the locker room, got dressed, threw on some headphones and went to the team bus. Not saying a word to any reporters or even to his team mates... He only scored 25 points the whole game, scoring no points in the second quarter, and really didnt look like he was there, he looked tired, worn out, and most of all, distressed.

I think this year he got a taste of wanting a title more than ever. As for him leaving the Cavs, its possible...There has been countless players that have sacrificed money for a TRUE shot at winning a championship. Lebron could do that, take a pay cut for a year. Just to clinch the title, then go wherever he wants.

I think there was just so much hype when it came to the Cavs this playoff season. They stormed easily through 2 teams, teams that werent really sound or even defensively strong, nor did they have the ability to contain Lebron.

frownonfun

05-31-2009, 04:33 PM

i don't really think anyone has the ability to contain lebron. he just freight trains it to the bucket and if he doesn't get the basket the refs call a foul on his behalf. but one "pretty good" player will only get you so far.

ZING

05-31-2009, 04:50 PM

He only scored 25 points the whole game,

Since when was 25pts "only"? I thought that was good. For the record, I have watched half a game of basketball in my whole life.

frownonfun

05-31-2009, 04:55 PM

Since when was 25pts "only"? I thought that was good. For the record, I have watched half a game of basketball in my whole life.

25 points is pretty good. but when you are the sole bread winner for the team it's not so good.

tuckevalastin

05-31-2009, 04:55 PM

25 points is "only" when your team is built on one player doing all the scoring.

ZING

05-31-2009, 05:08 PM

I get you :)

Sabretooth

05-31-2009, 05:53 PM

Lebron James' scoring average was over 40 points per game the whole series, His average throughout the playoffs is up in those numbers too...

Scoring 25 points should be a shameful thing if you put up 40 points easily per game average. I will give credit to the other teams players on the Cavs for trying to step it up when they saw that James couldnt do it all on his own this game, but it just wasnt enough in the end. As a Magic fan, I give props to the Cavs for giving their all.

Now the other aspect that probably even more, was that James couldnt put a single point up in the second quarter, this allowed the Magic to just cruise on by and rack up a good lead. The issue was that killed James was the whole idea that they would give him the ball, and bam! there was to be a shot made, he scored 13 points in the first quarter, none the second...and only made 12 in the second half. Seems like someone either gave up, or just was having a hell of an off day to me!

Easiest way to express how the last game went down...Orlando stepped it up to dominate the whole game, and Lebron couldnt get in gear to push the Cavs towards the victory.

Sabretooth

05-31-2009, 05:58 PM

I remember yesterday that J. Nelson for the Magic said it best... You just cant do it all with 1 guy, or 2, or 3...It requires a team effort, not just the guys on the court, but on the bench too.

Deltasix

06-01-2009, 02:50 PM

After the game, Lebron pretty much didnt talk to anyone, just went to the locker room, got dressed, threw on some headphones and went to the team bus. Not saying a word to any reporters or even to his team mates.

I have no problem with him shunning the press, I can imagine hes upset, and rightly so, but I do have a problem with the way he acted, not shaking hands with the other team.

I could be wrong, but didn't he do the same thing last year? :confused: