The Vitz is in the 14s!

[ChinoCharles]

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Lesson learned: its half about the car and half about the driver.

What a night! There was a good turnout... probably 30-40 cars running, so the track wasn't too full which was nice. Here's how it went...

First run, I take off and miss second gear. (This would be a recurring theme) Still managed a 15.8, but at this point I knew the predicted 14.5 was going to be tough.

Second run I finally get one off. 15.4 @ 92 MPH. Now I'm flat out worried. The bald tires were more problematic than I was hoping, but even worse was the shifter. Second was becoming a 50/50 shot.

Anyway, Akron Horsepower tuned 5.0 Mustang? TOAST. Now it started getting fun.

Subaru WRX... TOAST.

S/C Bonneville... bye.

I didn't lose a race all night without missing second gear. Problem is that happened 3 times. We came to the conclusion that the reason for this was the excess movement in the engine bay knocking things out of alignment. In other words, torque damper and/or motor mounts VERY soon.

By the fouth run I tore the NST short shifter out. That'll be for sale soon. It wasn't making the prospect of shifting an already cranky gearbox any easier. So I keep running and running and by the 8th run I still just can't break the 15.3 mark. Best trap was 93.75. I come back and Doug from Forced4's starts talking about how he would love to drive it. I toss him the keys.

First time down the track he is rocking and grinding down the track. It was pretty funny. I forget what he ran though. He comes back and I was going to take it for the last run. He said he thought he had it down now. I said go for it.

He pulls up to the line, launches and does what essentially amounted to a 60' burnout. Slaps second and BOOM. The five of us F4's guys left are standing near the staging area saying "dude, I think he just got it." Sure enough, 14.9 @ 96 MPH.

We went crazy. It was the funniest thing ever. Driver mod FTW. :bellyroll: I need to learn to drive.

Best thing was he ran a 2.4 60'. My best of the night was a 2.2-something, so there is still a tenth or two in there somewhere.

Pictures to come. I didn't bother taking any because we brought a photographer. :wink: Got some NICE rolling shots on the way there.

[KCALB SIRAY]

niiice, can't wait for the pics

[ChinoCharles]

The new goal: 100 MPH trap by the end of summer.

[KCALB SIRAY]

guess i can't post the hamster vid in here lol

[eTiMaGo]

vroom, nice!

[Astroman]

You should post your time and slip in the 1/4 mile thread!

[cali yaris]

14.9 -- I think that was my guess? yeah, way to go Chino! Now YOU do it!! :thumbsup:

(his reaction time wasn't that great, either, you can do better)

[ChinoCharles]

Well, keep in mind nobody really worries about R/T at a test and tune night. Sit at the tree until you feel like you've got the launch, yanno?

I had some good reaction times. I'll sit down and go through the slips tonight. I know I fouled once by .01 seconds. :bonk:

[cali yaris]

I thought test and tune was for practising. That includes reaction times, at least for me -- I'm pretty crappy at drag racing, but I mean to fix that.

[IllusionX]

oh.. it's turbo'd.. i thought you were running 14's stock :P

stock would do it in thd mid 16's with a good driver. People here don't want to drag with Echos, because they are too fast LOL

[KCALB SIRAY]

Be quick like squirrel, HY!



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[PETERPOOP]

your driver did good!

[ChinoCharles]

He did! The boys in my car club can drive. We also had an STi run a 13.1! Aaaand a bugeye WRX run an 11.9! Aaaand a second gen DSM run a 14.01@101MPH!

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

why didn't he just say you can't drive.....

[PETERPOOP]

next time try and get a video camera of your runs. it'd be a great addition to the turbo video thread!

why didn't he just say you can't drive.....

Because that's not what I was implying.

[ChinoCharles]

why didn't he just say you can't drive.....

Huh? I didn't understand the question.

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

Huh? I didn't understand the question.

SORRY, it was about poops comment about your driver....

[ChinoCharles]

Oh!

Dragging a turbocharged FWD vehicle with short gears is challenging. The trick is to let it spin in first. It is going to say you're going 30 MPH, but you aren't. You have to ride that out and stay in boost until you hit that threshold, THEN shift to second. I was shifting too soon. The one run where I nailed it, the engine bucked and I missed second. Sucks, but there will be other times.

I'm looking into getting the C-ONE engine and trans mounts to fix this problem.

[ChinoCharles]

One shot of a few to come.

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[PETERPOOP]

sick! that'd be a nice signature pic.

[ChinoCharles]

We've got a rolling photo shoot coming up with 15-20 turbocharged cars. THAT is gonna be the one. I'm going to smoke a couple sets of Subie tail lights this weekend in exchange for my headlight harness. The reason the bumper is f'd up on the passenger side is because there is a broken tab on that headlight. I need to get them suckers out.

[PETERPOOP]

i hope your smoke job adds more gloss than that finish on your headlights.

[ChinoCharles]

Well I didn't do mine right. I'm going to wet sand and clear coat these.

[kurokoma-kun]

Congrats Charles! :bow:

Never drag raced or even thought of drag racing, thanks for describing the launch concept--what do you do with tire pressures?

[PETERPOOP]

good call; and a nice buff will do the trick.

[ChinoCharles]

Congrats Charles! :bow:

Never drag raced or even thought of drag racing, thanks for describing the launch concept--what do you do with tire pressures?

Thanks KK!

We didn't do anything, but a couple of psi out of each tire would certainly help. I was running 33 psi.

[ChinoCharles]

OOOOOOMFG can these boys shoot pics.

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[PETERPOOP]

beautiful

[1stToyota]

:burnrubber: Hyper1/4miler ! :smile:

[ChinoCharles]

Funny thing is I think I may have still pulled off a 30+ MPG tank. That is with 10 top speed runs. :laugh:

If you don't love the Yaris, you're on crack.

[LtNoogie]

Ok, call me stoopid but what does missing second mean? You don't get the transmission into second gear crisply so you slow down while you're off the throttle?

[YAR1S]

:D HAHA nice

[Russelt3hPirate]

drivers more than 50/50

a good driver can shave tenths at every shift. :)

good luck, any more weight reduction in order?

[Russelt3hPirate]

Ok, call me stoopid but what does missing second mean? You don't get the transmission into second gear crisply so you slow down while you're off the throttle?

it's exactly how it sounds.

you try to shift into 2nd but you let out the clutch before you're in gear and you end up revving up in neutral.

or you grind the piss out of it for a second (generally that slows people down too).

if you've ever drag raced or if you ever do, you'll most likely experience the same thing. (unless you have an auto).

[cali yaris]

Dragging a turbocharged FWD vehicle with short gears is challenging.

I think they Yaris has pretty TALL gears. At least compared to the other FWD cars I've raced in (tC, xB)

[LtNoogie]

it's exactly how it sounds.

you try to shift into 2nd but you let out the clutch before you're in gear and you end up revving up in neutral.

or you grind the piss out of it for a second (generally that slows people down too).

if you've ever drag raced or if you ever do, you'll most likely experience the same thing. (unless you have an auto).

Yah, I have an auto and would not know if there are special methods to drag race that way. I would guess it would be manually holding back on the gears until the right RPM? My dyno guy said that some autos, in order to protect themselves, will shift up to the next gear even if you keep the shift lever in the lower gears. I have not really wanted to test that.

[ChinoCharles]

Ok, call me stoopid but what does missing second mean? You don't get the transmission into second gear crisply so you slow down while you're off the throttle?

very nice and congrats on the 1/4. about you missing second is it possible you weren't clutching all the way in, you know in the heat of the moment you're not going all the way in?:iono:

It isn't that, but...

you grind the piss out of it for a second (generally that slows people down too).

YEP! The stick will just jam on you halfway, but you've already started to let the clutch go and GRRRKKKKKKK fail. Its my presumption that this is caused by the engine bucking around and screwing with the linkage. Sound about right?

I think they Yaris has pretty TALL gears. At least compared to the other FWD cars I've raced in

Did I just hear you say you were going to swap a 6 speed? :biggrin: Maybe my problems with the gearing are actually rooted in that open diff.

I installed a boost gauge and GUESS WHAT?! 6 psi in third. What that means I don't know, but taking it to a dyno just jumped up the list of crap to do. I'm considering getting the following:

http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com/catalog-detail.php?ID=5196
http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com/catalog-detail.php?ID=5195
http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com/catalog-detail.php?ID=5203

That should help put a little more power to the ground. We shall see...

Two more things... one, I looked back at my slips and realized I ran a .0000 reaction time on one run. LOL, it was the 2.2x 60' run where I missed second. Its the one that got away. That and I got 34 MPG on a tank where I ran @ the track. :bellyroll: Yaris FTW.

[anonymous user]

Is this the quickest USDM car so far?
If there's one thing I learned from drag racing, it's the fact that i'm not the quickest shifter in the world, but atleast i don't break trannies and gears. :)

[ChinoCharles]

Documented. That RWD Drift Yaris would kill Garm and I both, but if you don't post the slip it don't count!

[Russelt3hPirate]

Did bulletproof confirm the C-One damper will work on the USDM NCP91 cars (since it's not listed to the JDM version either according to C-One)?

[ChinoCharles]

I'll e-mail them and ask. I'll let you know.

[thebarber]

very nice and congrats on the 1/4. about you missing second is it possible you weren't clutching all the way in, you know in the heat of the moment you're not going all the way in?:iono:
probably shifting too fast...or that the tranny is hot from punishing it...

i take it you've never drag raced...

nice times though chino...but it always sucks when someone else can drive your car faster than you can...

[Russelt3hPirate]

but it always sucks when someone else can drive your car faster than you can...

that's the best, it proves you have some free mods you can still do.

aka. learn to drive chino!! :tongue:

[ChinoCharles]

It won't last long. :smile: I'm getting better.

Don't forget I beat his 60' on that run by .2 seconds. If I could put a good front and back half together I think I can run a 14.6-14.7 @ 6 psi. That isn't bad if you ask me.

[Russelt3hPirate]

I'll e-mail them and ask. I'll let you know.

the last post sounded like you already had talked to them about everything and had the stuff on order.

[ChinoCharles]

Noooo, I did talk to them but I talked to Garm too and he convinced me to try the torque damper first and see how that goes before I make the leap to the tranny mount. From what I hear (another member here has it) it pretty much makes the car undrivable under about 2,000 RPM.

However, it should fit. Bulletproof was a vendor here back in the YW stone age and they pushed those products hard, but like I said I'll double check.

[Russelt3hPirate]

Noooo, I did talk to them but I talked to Garm too and he convinced me to try the torque damper first and see how that goes before I make the leap to the tranny mount. From what I hear (another member here has it) it pretty much makes the car undrivable under about 2,000 RPM.

However, it should fit. Bulletproof was a vendor here back in the YW stone age and they pushed those products hard, but like I said I'll double check.

please do, as everywhere else it says it's not designed for the NCP91

here it is installed on the NCP13, if you want to be the $300 guinea pig I wont stop you.

http://penguingarage.com/Images/COne/ConeDamperNCP13.jpg

[ChinoCharles]

OHHHH I get what you're asking now.

http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com/catalog-detail.php?ID=5195

THAT part. I've got the Nitto version coming this week.

[Russelt3hPirate]

OHHHH I get what you're asking now.

http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com/catalog-detail.php?ID=5195

THAT part. I've got the Nitto version coming this week.

:bellyroll:

that's the one i've been talking about.

the other two parts you have listed fit no problem as long as you're ok with the NVH. (C-One lists those for the NCP91).

[thebarber]

i had Energy Suspension polyurethane mounts on my xrs and it was perfectly driveable....just transferred more engine vibration thru to the steering wheel and chassis and stuff....but in no way was in uncomfortable or remotely undriveable.

sure stopped the wheel hop when launching...

[m911gt]

I think they Yaris has pretty TALL gears. At least compared to the other FWD cars I've raced in (tC, xB)

Agreed. I didn't have too many problems when I went to drag a few weeks ago...but my car is also a lot slower than your's and Charles'.

[Russelt3hPirate]

no you're right i never drag raced, not really my thing and i find it punishes the car too much, im more of a circuit kinda guy where my front wheels actually turn side to side lol.

3 30 minute sessions WOT isn't less punishing. (it is cooler though).

[Russelt3hPirate]

i was referring more to the clutch/transmission punishment. but hey my suspension takes a beating when im hugging the kerbs :biggrin:

you don't shift while on the track? haha.

i know you bang through the gears coming out of the corners.

unless you're autoxing where it's a 1-2 shift and that's it.

either way, just glad people are getting out there. :D

[ChinoCharles]

Tires came in today. If the stars align and my torque damper gets here tomorrow I MIGHT run tomorrow, but if not it'll be Tuesday. I want that 100 MPH trap!

[ChinoCharles]

Well in one night of drag racing I spend about 2 minutes @ WOT. Saying that is more harsh than laps around a track is kind of proposterous, don't you think? I'm not baiting, I'm just looking at it realistically.

[thebarber]

clutch drops = transmission abuse...

but at the track youre running the car at high rpms....

give and take, both put more than the usual wear and tear on the car...

ANYWAYS,

what kind of tires did you get chino? time for an lsd yet?

[ChinoCharles]

I just got replacement Falken 912's. They're AWESOME... for 5,000 miles. Then they're garbage. :laugh: Still can't complain considering the price. New wheels and tires next year probably. Mission now is to button this car up and get me a Subie for the winter. :smile: I REALLY like that 2002ish Legacy Limited! I miss leather and wood grain more than I'd like to admit.

[Black Yaris]

when do I get to take a ride :(

[ChinoCharles]

And to answer your question, yes, it was time for an LSD a month ago. :laugh: One day... soooo many big money mods. Ugh ugh ugh.

[ChinoCharles]

when do I get to take a ride :(

Whenever you want Joe. At this point I figure its 10% your car.

[LtNoogie]

Agreed. I didn't have too many problems when I went to drag a few weeks ago...but my car is also a lot slower than your's and Charles'.

Did you post your times? I don't remember reading that.

[m911gt]

Did you post your times? I don't remember reading that.

I posted my time, but didn't scan in a time slip. I figured a 16.7 wasn't anything to be impressed by...though it is 0.6 seconds better than stock and it was my first time.

[CompanyXPaladin]

...update?

[Astroman]

I posted my time, but didn't scan in a time slip. I figured a 16.7 wasn't anything to be impressed by...though it is 0.6 seconds better than stock and it was my first time.

Stock speed for the auto is 17.8, not sure about the manual but it wasn't a ton better.

[CompanyXPaladin]

Tires came in today. If the stars align and my torque damper gets here tomorrow I MIGHT run tomorrow, but if not it'll be Tuesday. I want that 100 MPH trap!

...update? :biggrin:

[toms]

impressive e.t dude

[YAR1S]

woah what a thread resurrection.