52.60 mpg

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Well, I've been averaging 39-40 mpg, but today, I was able to get a trip average of 52.60 mpg. This included city and freeway driving. Brian (Bailout) was kind enough to teach me some tricks while letting me use his SGII in my car. He taught me how to properly use FAS, DFCO, P&G, hangtime, and drafting (if there were anymore, add them on, Brian). It really does make a difference on how one drives. I thought I was doing a decent job at conserving gas, but man, was I wrong.

Also, Brian demonstrated that I CAN drive on the freeway with my windows partially down (fully down if I wanted to) if I'm driving 55 mph, and not have it affect my FE. He also demonstrated how the A/C impacts FE instantaneously, knocking off anywhere between 5-10 mpg.

I think the two biggest factors that contributed to my 52 mpg was hangtime and proper FAS. Anticipating the lights and cars ahead can make you see how FAS will be more beneficial than DFCO. As for hangtime, it truly is crazy how taking your foot off the throttle by a mm or so can make you gain so much. I'm going to try to keep doing this despite not having a SGII.

I didn't think I would have done so well, especially for a day's (really an hour or so) worth of learning and trying. It goes to show that anyone can get high 40's, if not 50's mpg, even us tuner folks. Thanks again Brian for teaching me how to get better FE. :thumbsup:

[SaerinRhoe]

That's awesome :) and congratz. I'm slowly creeping up into the 40's with my mpg by just changing little things. I'm not the first person to say it but I've come to believe that the biggest change you can make to get better mpg is to adjust the nut behind the wheel.

Keep up the good work and hope you keep getting those 50's.

S.R.

[GeneW]

Nice work.

Gene

[WeeYari]

Is 52.6 what the SGII is telling you, or is it based on refilling your tank and actually calculating fuel consumption?

[The little red pill]

I've come to believe that the biggest change you can make to get better mpg is to adjust the nut behind the wheel.

S.R.

I don't know if I have a "nut" behind my wheel. But after looking closer, I noticed that I do have a screw loose! LOL. :bellyroll:

[anonymous user]

Congrats, Kaotic!

[BailOut]

I'm glad you had a good time, Lazandro (Kaotic), and you were a fast learner. :smile: Keep practicing both the techniques and anticipatory driving/situational awareness, calm down (e.g. stop that throttle bobble when shifting at low RPM! :wink:), and I'm sure you'll punch out a 50+ tank before the end of the Summer.

A funny story from yesterday: I took Lazandro out for a short drive to show him my driving style and as we returned to a large and busy parking lot (the ARCO Plaza in Sacramento) I coasted with my engine off for the last few hundred meters, as is my custom. His jaw was dropped the whole time and as we rolled into a parking place after making a few turns he let out a little gasp of surprise and satisfaction. :biggrin:

[BailOut]

Addendum: Before anyone freaks out on the "drafting" it was a 2-2.5 second follow behind a semi truck northbound on the I-5 at 53-54 MPH in light traffic. That is a larger gap than most folks would give any other vehicle in heavy traffic conditions. This kind of situation is uncommon as trucks rarely move that slowly but when I can find one I take advantage of it.

[YarisSedan]

Addendum: Before anyone freaks out on the "drafting" it was a 2-2.5 second follow behind a semi truck northbound on the I-5 at 53-54 MPH in light traffic. That is a larger gap than most folks would give any other vehicle in heavy traffic conditions. This kind of situation is uncommon as trucks rarely move that slowly but when I can find one I take advantage of it.

My only fear drafting large trucks is they seem to always kick up small rocks and debri. Last time i did that i ended up with a rock chip in the center of my windshield.

[wooverstone8]

What is Hangtime? How does it work?

[BailOut]

What is Hangtime? How does it work?
There's a sticky for it here in the FE forum:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9422

[Kioshi]

Wow, when can i get some lessons Brian? I would like to learn too, I just coast and do ahngtime around the 60mph mark. Usually on 280S, a bit past Serramonte the road goes down...so i usually speed up a bit and coast all the way to the merging point towards SFO airport. I'm afraid to try DFCO and Pulse and Glide. But i may be doing P&B already?

My average when i filled up today was 46.8 mpg...trying to get 50 or higher :(

[wooverstone8]

There's a sticky for it here in the FE forum:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9422

Thanks for the reply. This Hangtime thing seems interesting... I'll have to try it!

[firemachine69]

Wow, I'm happy I'm consistently getting 32mpg. :laugh:

[roadrunner]

Well, I've been averaging 39-40 mpg, but today, I was able to get a trip average of 52.60 mpg. This included city and freeway driving. Brian (Bailout) was kind enough to teach me some tricks while letting me use his SGII in my car. He taught me how to properly use FAS, DFCO, P&G, hangtime, and drafting (if there were anymore, add them on, Brian). It really does make a difference on how one drives. I thought I was doing a decent job at conserving gas, but man, was I wrong.

:thumbsup:

Nice going with the 52.6 MPG using the Scanguage. Are you now going to purchase one? IMO they do make a big difference in your driving. My last tank of gas was 52.7 MPG. I love the warmer weather!

[anonymous user]

Kaotic, I hope you don't mind, but I didn't wanna start my own thread.
I just hit a 72.25MPG tank driving 75%hwy/25%city. I have no scan-gauge, just soem advice taken from this site and gassavers.
Some prick in a truck was even yelling and swearing at me saying why do i drive so slow, and was tailgaiting me. I got frustrated, and floored it. We had words at the traffic light. I just can't keep my cool sometimes.

[supmet]

I just hit a 72.25MPG tank driving 75%hwy/25%city.

Ummm, in a yaris? US gallons??

I'd think with some people here willing to sacrifice their entire car for an extra mpg, I would have seen someone get that high before. I've never seen a tank in the 60s even.

Did you find an 800 mile long hill?? Or a hill that you coast down and take an elevator to the top of?

[Kal-El]

Did you find an 800 mile long hill?? Or a hill that you coast down and take an elevator to the top of?

No, they actually have Yaris lift tickets available over at www....

:biggrin:

[BailOut]

Kaotic, I hope you don't mind, but I didn't wanna start my own thread.
I just hit a 72.25MPG tank driving 75%hwy/25%city. I have no scan-gauge, just soem advice taken from this site and gassavers.
Some prick in a truck was even yelling and swearing at me saying why do i drive so slow, and was tailgaiting me. I got frustrated, and floored it. We had words at the traffic light. I just can't keep my cool sometimes.
Hello anonymous user,

While you certainly had a 72.25 MPG segment your fill up was only 1.557 gallons after 112.5 miles. In the world of logging and record keeping only a half tank or more constitutes a tank. In our car this means a fill of at least 5.55 gallons.

Still, that was a great segment! :clap: Keep up the good work.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

That's awesome :) and congratz. I'm slowly creeping up into the 40's with my mpg by just changing little things. I'm not the first person to say it but I've come to believe that the biggest change you can make to get better mpg is to adjust the nut behind the wheel.

Keep up the good work and hope you keep getting those 50's.

S.R.

Nice work.

Gene

Congrats, Kaotic!

Thanks! :thumbsup:

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Is 52.6 what the SGII is telling you, or is it based on refilling your tank and actually calculating fuel consumption?

Nope, it was just the average of that particular trip. My tank for that time was 41.xx mpg. With just that short trip, it bumped it up that much from my average 39-40 mpg :cool:

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I'm glad you had a good time, Lazandro (Kaotic), and you were a fast learner. :smile: Keep practicing both the techniques and anticipatory driving/situational awareness, calm down (e.g. stop that throttle bobble when shifting at low RPM! :wink:), and I'm sure you'll punch out a 50+ tank before the end of the Summer.

A funny story from yesterday: I took Lazandro out for a short drive to show him my driving style and as we returned to a large and busy parking lot (the ARCO Plaza in Sacramento) I coasted with my engine off for the last few hundred meters, as is my custom. His jaw was dropped the whole time and as we rolled into a parking place after making a few turns he let out a little gasp of surprise and satisfaction. :biggrin:

Addendum: Before anyone freaks out on the "drafting" it was a 2-2.5 second follow behind a semi truck northbound on the I-5 at 53-54 MPH in light traffic. That is a larger gap than most folks would give any other vehicle in heavy traffic conditions. This kind of situation is uncommon as trucks rarely move that slowly but when I can find one I take advantage of it.

Thanks Brian. You're a great teacher. hahaha, I'm working on that throttle bobble problem I have. hahahaha. Just gotta beat it into my head that my car is not going to stall. Yeah, that coasting into a parking spot was a trip :laugh:

Yeah, drafting wasn't that bad. I see people drafting closer than I did. Oddly enough, some of the trucks I see drive faster than I do, so I can't even draft them :laugh::redface:

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Nice going with the 52.6 MPG using the Scanguage. Are you now going to purchase one? IMO they do make a big difference in your driving. My last tank of gas was 52.7 MPG. I love the warmer weather!

I'd like to purchase one, but $160 is just money that I do not have at the moment. May be next semester (crosses fingers), I'll get some grants. I'm still waiting on that one Brickfish scholarship to be judged. Definitely getting a SGII if I win that since it was my car that placed me into judging in the first place. Then the rest will go towards books :frown:

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Kaotic, I hope you don't mind, but I didn't wanna start my own thread.
I just hit a 72.25MPG tank driving 75%hwy/25%city. I have no scan-gauge, just soem advice taken from this site and gassavers.
Some prick in a truck was even yelling and swearing at me saying why do i drive so slow, and was tailgaiting me. I got frustrated, and floored it. We had words at the traffic light. I just can't keep my cool sometimes.

:eek: Good job!

[anonymous user]

Hello anonymous user,

While you certainly had a 72.25 MPG segment your fill up was only 1.557 gallons after 112.5 miles. In the world of logging and record keeping only a half tank or more constitutes a tank. In our car this means a fill of at least 5.55 gallons.

Still, that was a great segment! :clap: Keep up the good work.

Yeah, i kinda figured atleast 1/2 a tank would count as a "tank", but i was really excited to see what i got, so i filled up one bar gone.
Thanks for the support, i wish i had someone locally here that could do a ride-along and give me more tips. :biggrin: (hint,hint) :w00t:

[SpaceShot]

One of my coworkers just had to tease me about modding the Yaris to
try and make it a little more aerodynamic.
Smooth hubcaps, tiny antenna, and partial upper grille block.

Hey, its a good hobby...
And I have been hitting 45 Mpg averages on the way to work lately.

But he did slip up and tell me about riding his motorcycle down the state 2 lane highway
to avoid the freeway merge and related city traffic.
Well, I tried it on the way home Friday and it does take an extra
10-15 minutes, but

52.5 Mpg! and beats my all time record for any trip.

I'm not sure the indecisive drivers in the larger towns are worth the
trouble to take that route every night, but it's good to know I have
more capacity to set some higher trip records.

Not only does my modded Yaris beat his motorcycle mileage on that
route, it even carries my mountain bike while doing it.

Love that little car...

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Wow, 52.5 for the tank! Sweet! I'd take that route over the 45mpg route any day.

[anonymous user]

Just a quick question: I just drove 25 miles today after a great effort yesterday,and the first bar de-illuminated already. Was that a result of filling up too soon? I can't figure out why else that would happen?

[supmet]

Just a quick question: I just drove 25 miles today after a great effort yesterday,and the first bar de-illuminated already. Was that a result of filling up too soon? I can't figure out why else that would happen?

The fuel bars are about as accurate as a magic 8 ball.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Just a quick question: I just drove 25 miles today after a great effort yesterday,and the first bar de-illuminated already. Was that a result of filling up too soon? I can't figure out why else that would happen?

Something similar happened to me after I filled up after the first bar went off. Now sure why it does this.

[YarisOwnersDad]

Just a quick question: I just drove 25 miles today after a great effort yesterday,and the first bar de-illuminated already. Was that a result of filling up too soon? I can't figure out why else that would happen?

The explanation is most likely that you did not fill the tank to the same level each time. The first time, you probably "under-filled" by a little, and that made your calculation fictitiously high. This would also explain why the bar disappeared so quickly this time. OK, the second fill-up was to a higher level than the first one, and that makes it look like you were getting fewer miles per gallon on the second tank.

It is impossible to fill the tank to EXACTLY the same level each time, and that is one of the reasons why gas mileage cannot be accurately determined on just one tank of gas. You need to average several consecutive tanks to get a true picture.

Tomster

[Kaotic Lazagna]

The explanation is most likely that you did not fill the tank to the same level each time. The first time, you probably "under-filled" by a little, and that made your calculation fictitiously high. This would also explain why the bar disappeared so quickly this time. OK, the second fill-up was to a higher level than the first one, and that makes it look like you were getting fewer miles per gallon on the second tank.

It is impossible to fill the tank to EXACTLY the same level each time, and that is one of the reasons why gas mileage cannot be accurately determined on just one tank of gas. You need to average several consecutive tanks to get a true picture.

Tomster

Yeah, the full tank reader gets all funky if you try topping off after only one bar has passed.

[JustAnotherAsian]

trying out "hang time" rather than just backing off the throttle by a lot. dfco doesn't work well for me because my auto's gearing is crap for dfco-coasting in 3rd (can't do it in overdrive/4th successfully for some reason). so can't wait to see this tank (no scangauge to see impg and trip mpg yet). i know it's highly unscientific, but i've already noticed less of a drop in the gauge alone.


'03 2az camry btw. not yaris.

[anonymous user]

Kaotic and Bailout,
I don't know if you're following this weird tank I'm having, but i hit 75 miles, and the second bar went out on my gas gauge. I've never seen it that low.
I'll be sure to never fill up early again, i might get these weird results that will skew my data.

*Edit, just read your post and yarisownersdad's post as well*

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Yeah, run this tank to about half life, then top off. Did you use the same brand on this tank as you always do, or did you go with a cheap-o brand?

[anonymous user]

Yeah, run this tank to about half life, then top off. Did you use the same brand on this tank as you always do, or did you go with a cheap-o brand?

Same brand, different location, and according to a few people on here, i decided to try my 1st midgrade (89 octane) fillup. So it's a mix of 1.5G of 89 and the rest, say 10 gal. or so of 87 oct.
I'll keep this thread updated. I definitely want to get this gas out of this tank, but i don't drive often enough.

[anonymous user]

OK, so the next fillup was for 209.2 miles and 6.638 gal of fuel used.
That comes to 31ish mpg. I guess you need to factor this low number into the larger segment. Oh well, i hope this has helped someone, i learned something that was both visual and tangible.

[YarisOwnersDad]

OK, so the next fillup was for 209.2 miles and 6.638 gal of fuel used.
That comes to 31ish mpg. I guess you need to factor this low number into the larger segment. Oh well, i hope this has helped someone, i learned something that was both visual and tangible.


Nonny Mouse User:

Why don't you sign up at GasSavers.org? It's a really cool way to keep an ongoing record of your fuel economy. It's free.

Here's my history, for an example.

http://www.gassavers.org/garage/viewgaslog/2547

Someone here at Yarisworld put me onto that site, and I think it is really cool.

Tom

[anonymous user]

^^Nonny Mouse User? Is that a witty quip? Anyway, if you look at my sig, you will see that i have been tracking my mileage on that site for over a year.

[YarisOwnersDad]

^^Nonny Mouse User? Is that a witty quip? Anyway, if you look at my sig, you will see that i have been tracking my mileage on that site for over a year.


Well, duh! I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box, am I? Sorry. :rolleyes:

Just trying to be helpful. I'll shut up now.

Tom

P.S. Sometimes you just have to humor old people.

[CKaelin]

Love the warm weather! Mpgs are going back up! Unfortunatley so are gas prices!

http://www.gassavers.org/garage/viewgaslog/1954?

[anonymous user]

Well, duh! I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box, am I? Sorry. :rolleyes:

Just trying to be helpful. I'll shut up now.

Tom

P.S. Sometimes you just have to humor old people.

:smile: No problems Tom. It is always better to give than receive (even help) i was always told as a child. And old is a number (I'm in my 30's too) :headbang:

[YarisOwnersDad]

:smile: No problems Tom. It is always better to give than receive (even help) i was always told as a child. And old is a number (I'm in my 30's too) :headbang:


Well, I will be 60 in a few days, and I am blown away by that fact!

It's embarrassing that I didn't notice your GasSavers logo in you sig.

Oh well, Alzheimer's is not all bad. You get to meet new people every day, and you can hide your own Easter eggs.

Tomster