Solid Motor Mounts

[ChinoCharles]

Hey everyone.

I'm getting some solid motor mounts made for my car. A couple questions...

[1] Does anyone have some Yaris motor mounts sitting around that I can borrow? I know it is a long shot. I'm just trying to avoid "borrowing" some from the dealership, ieL buying and returning.

[2] Would anyone be interested in buying some? For anyone who plans on running some serious power, these would help you get it to the ground. If there is interest I can have more sets made. If not no biggy.

They're being built by Beech Performance who also did my exhaust. They also built this: http://www.forced4s.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=402&start=0 Very capable shop that loves their Toyotas.

[cali yaris]

Well, just remember I told you to try the trans mount. That's where the motion is.

Keep us posted!! -- when you say solid, do you mean SOLID? :eek:

[ChinoCharles]

Yeah... go big or go home, LOL.

Maybe I'll get the trans mount done at the same time.

[eTiMaGo]

solid like his big brass balls :laugh:

[cali yaris]

You might as well take out the passenger seat now then... :biggrin:

[ChinoCharles]

LOL

Just trying to keep up Garm. :laugh:

[fuji]

Would polyurethane bushings be benficial?

[ChinoCharles]

That is a good question actually. Am I better off going w/ poly bushings to keep it more streetable? I'm not sure what to expect from solid mounts, but the engine doesn't make THAT much power so I'm thinking it won't be as bad as, say, solid mounts on a Camaro or something. (which is like sitting on a magic finger bed)

[fuji]

If I was as daring as you, I would probably give the polyurethane a shot prior to going solid. Even with the urethane, you can make holes in the mounts to fine tune the stiffness.

[cali yaris]

solid mounts will not make more power. They do help deliver it to the ground, but the cost in 'streetability' can be pretty severe. Props to you for doing it!

[ChinoCharles]

I know they won't make more power. I'm saying if the car was putting 300 to the ground *ahem* you'd be nuts to run solid mounts, but at a conservative 8 psi it might not be so bad. The benefits may outweigh the disadvantages... maybe.

Either way, first I need to get a set of OEM's.

[hatchbackkid82]

Where can we buy this Transmount from? I remember seeing a pic of it a while back

Well, just remember I told you to try the trans mount. That's where the motion is.

Keep us posted!! -- when you say solid, do you mean SOLID? :eek:

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

BORROW from dealership and end up paying a special order restock fee:biggrin:

[ChinoCharles]

Ah, talked to the wisdomous one and he talked me into chilling on the mounts, getting the torque damper and going from there, so I just ordered that. I'll let you guys know how that goes. Track day #2 is Tuesday, May 19th weather permitting w/ new tires and the damper.

[supmet]

^^ There's a thread on here about someone who tried polyurethane mounts, and he said the car was shaking too much, so he had to drill the polyurethane down. His car was NA too.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11905&highlight=DIY+custom+mounts

[cali yaris]

I have sat in jkuchta's car with the C-One trans mount. It was VERY loud and lots of vibration -- not wifey friendly at all!

[hatchbackkid82]

Some wifey's might like all the vibration:laugh:

[hatchbackkid82]

Anyone have any idea how much that transmount goes for?

I have sat in jkuchta's car with the C-One trans mount. It was VERY loud and lots of vibration -- not wifey friendly at all!

[ChinoCharles]

Bulletproof doesn't even list it.

[hatchbackkid82]

Hey Garm can you get a hold of this for us?

I have sat in jkuchta's car with the C-One trans mount. It was VERY loud and lots of vibration -- not wifey friendly at all!

[cali yaris]

Beatrush engine roll stopper $225 :eek:

part: S141014BC-AC

http://www.kamispeed.com/images/ybemb.jpg

[hatchbackkid82]

Damn for that lil' ass sh*t. Ummmm thanks but no thanks under $200 then yeah. C-One is expensive. You going to carry anything like this Garm? With a more reasonable price:biggrin:

[mrbond]

Wouldn't the trans mount and the engine roll stopper accomplish essentially the same thing?

[cali yaris]

They ARE the same thing :smile:

[mrbond]

Hmm, I suppose the terminology turned me around :P
Garm, theoretically, what would happen if you combined this C-one/beatrush piece with an engine damper?

[hatchbackkid82]

The whole car would fall apart:biggrin:

[ChinoCharles]

Yeah, now that Garm explained everything to me I'd pack a socket set. :laugh:

[FunctionSpec]

Solid mounts is pretty hardcore. It can be daily drivable if you don't care if your teeth fall off, lol.
I had the Beatrush engine roll stopper and it made the car loud with tons of vibration. You kind of get used to it and you can lessen the vibration if you take off really fast but that just wastes a lot of gas, lol. Vibration is bad at lower RPMs.

Response though is amazing. On/off throttle is instant. No weight shifting from the engine so the Yaris feels very stable and secure when shifting and going on/off throttle.

[eric81]

My engine has so much travel, it's like it wants to be free. It moves over 6", easily. I deffinately need some sort of stiffer mount. I even went so far as to take the mounts apart and see what could be done. They are made of super soft rubber, and are nowhere near stiff enough to give responsive power at all. Anyone know where to buy the C-one or some poly-urathane bushings to help stiffen it a bit?

[mrbond]

^ http://www.kamispeed.com/index.php?cPath=1131_2061_2227&SesId=57d4660750c1b658bedc287eb63b2366

[eric81]

Just did a search, and the best thing for the money seems to be the 3M wino-urethane stuff. It takes some work, and some simple directions to follow, but it seems to be about as stiff as a solid motor mount. I am going to see if I can get some at a store nearby. Not a power increaser, but help put the ponies on the pavement.

[cali yaris]

If you use the roll stopper, you won't need the engine torque damper.

[jkuchta]

^Correct...

I ran the C-One transmount and the torque damper together, and IMO the torque damper was redundent.

The transmount takes a little more effort to install (a torque wrench is mandatory!), but if you're making some crazy power or tracking the car often you'll be in a better place with the transmount.

If you're N/A and mostly street then the adjustability of the torque damper is perfect!

As far as the vibration with the transmount is concerned...it's pretty crazy at first (I briefly thought about pulling the thing out!), but once you get used to it and learn to drive the car above 2k rpm's, it's easily one of the better mods for the car as far as "global" car performance in concerned...

...It is a bit unpopular with the wife though!:smile:

[mojoyaris]

My wife hated it at first too. but all the girls at the office love it!!! ummmmmmm.

DNGZ has the Nitto engine mount and the Beatrush mount on his car.
I can attest the benefit of this if you are tracking the car. Especially if you have a 9lb flywheel and LSD.

[d1nzfe]

where is that thread on the installation of the Beatrush engine roll stopper??

[fuji]

Here is a thought......How about take out the original engine mount, and only replace the bushing on one side with window weld. Keep the other stock. Should be just about right with good vibration isolation and improved performance.

[ChinoCharles]

^^^ Good idea.

[HTM Yaris]

Trust me when I say this , you will NOT like the solid motor mounts . Unless you plan on wearing thick gloves . Even then you will feel it . Your BODY will become the vibration damper . I bet you won't last 2 weeks . I lasted 2 days .
Not only that , but it willl more than likely break your power steering lines . SERIOUSLY .
Trust me I already made that mistake

[jkuchta]

We don't have power steering lines.

[HTM Yaris]

Hmm , that is right . No power steering lines . I put solid mounts in my Eclipse and they broke the power steering lines thats what made me think of that . My meds are still working very well evidently :smile:

[ChinoCharles]

^ LOL rock. We will see how the torque damper goes.

[NonStopTuning]

I've been playing with this thing for a few months...

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/37/l_711315674cd44578a8ee925f24c884b7.jpg

Garm has even tried to lend a hand. Unfortunately not much progress has been made thus far.

We'll see what happens this summer...

[YarisSedan]

I've been playing with this thing for a few months...

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/37/l_711315674cd44578a8ee925f24c884b7.jpg

Garm has even tried to lend a hand. Unfortunately not much progress has been made thus far.

We'll see what happens this summer...

OMG thats just insane. Insane.

[YarisSedan]

Hey everyone.

I'm getting some solid motor mounts made for my car. A couple questions...

[1] Does anyone have some Yaris motor mounts sitting around that I can borrow? I know it is a long shot. I'm just trying to avoid "borrowing" some from the dealership, ieL buying and returning.

[2] Would anyone be interested in buying some? For anyone who plans on running some serious power, these would help you get it to the ground. If there is interest I can have more sets made. If not no biggy.

They're being built by Beech Performance who also did my exhaust. They also built this: http://www.forced4s.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=402&start=0 Very capable shop that loves their Toyotas.


There is a product that is called quicksteel. You can use it to make completely solid motor mounts. Cost about 8 bucks at kragens. You may need 2 tubes.

[schleppy]

I'm thinking about trying to make quicksteel mounts myself. I've heard they are similar in stiffness to the higher durometer poly mounts.

On my old GTi I repaced the front rubber mount with a poly one and it was wonderful. The motor felt like it was part of the car again. Shifting was improved, throttle response, etc. I hope someone comes out with something similar. Solid (metal) mounts are too much though...

[d1nzfe]

any pic of it installed???

[Shroomster]

htm brought up a good point....if you increase durability in one thing everything else is still at that lower level.....ie. fluid lines. wiring. etc.

[fuji]

How about a medium density polyurethane? Any one know where you could get something like this?.......For those of us who want o keep their teeth!

[kou]

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11905&highlight=custom+mounts

[eric81]

The person who posted that also said to help a little bit with the vibration, you should drill several small holes through the entire mount, to give it some "give" room. It is a great idea, especially considering we only have two main mounts. One on the upper passenger side, and one at the tranny. I deffinately don't recommend solid mounts, but the black goop stuff with some holes in it may be a perfect solution. AND, if you start off with 3 or 4 holes, and it's still too solid, just drill one or two more at time until it feels right. Easy enough for me.

[Tamago]

what ever happened with this?

[kngrsll]

what ever happened with this?

you must be bored today between this and the paddle shifters LOL

i would love some better mounts.

[fuji]

Nobody else has tried this? I wounder how hard it is to remove the motor mount.

[Nexus1155]

put car on jack stands, jack engine up slightly, unbolt and win?

[Tamago]

put car on jack stands, jack engine up slightly, unbolt and win?

you don't even have to jack the engine up. the yaris lower rear mount only serves as a dogbone, it does not support any weight iirc

[eric81]

I actually did remove the side motor mount just to see if I could stiffen it a little bit, because the thing moves like 10 feet (at least it looks like it does when I rev the engine). It was a little hard to get the bottom bolt out, as I needed two different extensions on my socket, and had to jack the motor up to hold it in place. In the end, I decided not to do anything because I read THIS article and decided to buy the goop to stick in the mount to help make it more solid. I bought the goop, but I drive almost everyday, so no bones there, with the 24 hour dring period, but since I don't work on Sunday, I might just do it then, we will see.

[Nexus1155]

with your situation its just wiser to buy an extra...

[eric81]

Yeah, cause I got so much bank, they call ME asking what I think, and I just say... "I'm broke. I mean, 'Bankrupt'." And that's how I roll, ya dig?