Ford Fiesta vs. Yaris

[vector9mm]

First off, I love my yaris, but I average 34 MPG and for a small car that's not good. I just read about the Fiesta comming to the USA and it rocks. They say it should get a combined average of 40 MPG and has 120 HP and 112 lb. ft. of torque. To top it off it weighs 2,158. This thing ought to really scoot. I knew that this kind of car could be built to get near what the hybribs get in MPG. I'm not ready to ditch my Yaris but in a few years who knows. I predict that Toyota will make some improvements to the Yaris to keep up. Of course I would trust my Yaris over the Fiesta in reliability.

[JBougie]

I average 41mph in the Yaris, and I don't take extra time to try and get the best gas mileage I can get. Try changing up your driving style, it will help a lot.

[talnlnky]

I've averaged just over 40mpg for the life of my yaris (39.xx the past 90days)... and during the summer months I average 43mpg for daily driving.... 1/3 of my miles have been on long trips doing 70-80mph and that has really hurt my running average, without those trips my avg would be closer to 42mpg.

[Sabretooth]

Only thing that the Fiesta has going for it, Its origionally a Mazda, so it should be reliable... then its a good looking car, so it should keep Ford alive for another year, maybe. If they keep making the right moves to bring their good cars from Europe to here, they should live a prolonged, and happy life

[wooverstone8]

I've been keeping a detail MPG log after buying a brand new Yaris in Feburary. Since purchase, I have avarage 38MPG with my Yaris and I drive in heavy traffic. My Yaris is 100% stock and all tires are at the normal 32PSI.

[Thirty-Nine]

First off, the Fiesta will be a great vehicle. Estimates at this point are saying 31/39, which would be the best on the subcompact market (EPA estimates). However, I have a feeling it will not acheive these estimates.

Yaris is rated at 29/36. Frankly, I find 34mpg pretty darn good. It's certainly one of the highest non-hybrid EPA highway ratings on the market.

Anyway, I think the Fiesta could be a huge car for Ford in the U.S., especially if it's as good as everyone says it is.

[kngrsll]

really under 2200 lbs? NICE

[vector9mm]

I knew some of you would miss the point and say things like "I get 50
MPG in my yaris." That's all well and good but the test I read said about 10% more HP and probably about 40MPG average city/hiway which is way better
than 29/36. Now maybe it won't get that, the article didn't have EPA estimates yet. So to sum it up, More MPG's and more HP. That is better, right?

[supmet]

Dude, all the info about the fiesta is so wishy washy they could say anything they want right now. I'm making a car, and I'm hoping to get 300 hp, 100 mpg, that seats 12 and weighs 1500 lbs. I'll believe it when I see it right?? My guess is that if there is a 120 hp version it will start at around 15k, not the 12k they've been advertising.

Its a copy cat move, and ford, as always, is one of the last to jump on the bandwagon. Why am I supposed to be excited? Oh ya that's right, they gave them away to a bunch of hipsters on the internet. They MUST be awesome.


Oh, and it might save ford, but it won't save the US economy. The fiesta(aptly named) will be built in mexico.

edit: and a link to the fiesta(non diesel) getting 40mpg combined would be super

[cali yaris]

OP, the test you read about didn't include EPA estimates, as you pointed out. Now you have them, but you ignore them. What's the point of having a discussion if new factual information isn't accepted along the way? 31/39 is less than the previously reported combined 40.

Further, if other members share that their driving behavior results in better mileage, why not consider that as possibly valuable to you, instead of making a sarcastic comment?

More power = great! Light weight = great! Sounds like a great addition to the small car market, and I'm glad it's coming from Ford.

[Sandwash]

The Fiesta's been in production for 30 years. I bought one of the last sold in USA imported from Germany in 1980. Put 150,000 miles on it and it was economical, a kick to drive, and very dependable. Had they been available now i certainly would have test drove prior to buying. Of course, I am very happy with my month-old Yaris and have no complaints.


Dude, all the info about the fiesta is so wishy washy they could say anything they want right now. I'm making a car, and I'm hoping to get 300 hp, 100 mpg, that seats 12 and weighs 1500 lbs. I'll believe it when I see it right?? My guess is that if there is a 120 hp version it will start at around 15k, not the 12k they've been advertising.

Its a copy cat move, and ford, as always, is one of the last to jump on the bandwagon. Why am I supposed to be excited? Oh ya that's right, they gave them away to a bunch of hipsters on the internet. They MUST be awesome.


Oh, and it might save ford, but it won't save the US economy. The fiesta(aptly named) will be built in mexico.


edit: and a link to the fiesta(non diesel) getting 40mpg combined would be super

[aclark246]

When my girlfriend bought her yaris about 3 years ago when they first came to the states I remember seeing something like 40 mpg highway on the window sticker. Now with the EPA actually testing it the highway is something like 35 mpg. I'm not knocking the Fiesta, a high FE car is a high FE car, I'm just saying that when it comes out we will see how it really stands up to the yaris in terms of the mpg's. Like previously mentioned, they can say anything they want about its FE for publicity since it is not out yet.

If it does get better EPA Fuel Economy than the yaris then that would be awesome. I get 40+ in my yaris (yearly avg.) so it would be cool to see what I could get in higher EPA rated car. I just wish they would bring the Civic VX back, I've heard legendary stories about them in the 90s (I'm only 19.)

[vector9mm]

OP, the test you read about didn't include EPA estimates, as you pointed out. Now you have them, but you ignore them. What's the point of having a discussion if new factual information isn't accepted along the way? 31/39 is less than the previously reported combined 40.

Further, if other members share that their driving behavior results in better mileage, why not consider that as possibly valuable to you, instead of making a sarcastic comment?

More power = great! Light weight = great! Sounds like a great addition to the small car market, and I'm glad it's coming from Ford.





First off I didn't see the 31/39 for myself. That may be the real EPA. Either way, It still beats 29/36 and has more power to boot. I didn't want this to devolve into a thread about how we can achieve better mpg's. There's plenty of those. I don't want this to sound like I'm down on Yaris either. I've seen motorcycles come a long way in power and gas mileage and I was just happy to see Ford offering us a choice.

[Kal-El]

It is a pretty nice car and I'm glad Ford is finally bringing it over.

Ford has taken a huge leap forward in just two years. It's time to take notice.

The Fiesta is very unlikely to recieve an EPA 40 mpg rating (highway). Maybe about 37, and about 30 city.

I give very high praise on the brilliant interior. This is one of Ford's best interiors ever and it's in a sub-compact! Everyone else will have to step it up.

[Airforce1]

Very nice.....i love the car but i cannot see myself driving a ford....haha i dont know why i just cant get over that

[firebob]

Ford stopped work on the Fiesta during the auto makers bail out. This was done because it was not a hybrid. As far as I know they are going to keep the door open to the money but they want the GM stuff worked out first. If they put money into a non hybrid it will nock them out of the money option.

Aclark
I think the E90 law started in 2007. I think this dropped the MPG from 40 to 35 mpg. By this time next year we till be driving E85 so it will drop one more time.


In the next 4 to 5 years I do not see a 4 wheel US car getting a better gas mileage then the Yaris unless it is a 3 cylinder, a hybrid, or high test gas.

[Thirty-Nine]

Regardless, I really think the Fiesta is a great looking vehicle that's long overdue in the U.S.

[Pitt Yaris]

The interior is pretty awesome. That's one of the only thing the yaris lacks.

[mryaris]

I think the E90 law started in 2007. I think this dropped the MPG from 40 to 35 mpg. By this time next year we till be driving E85 so it will drop one more time.



I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I suspect you just mistyped. Right now E10 is the predominant fuel mixture (10% ethanol & 90% gasoline).........E85 can only be run in flex fuel cars and is 85% ethanol & 15% gasoline. I think you just got it backwards.....what you call E90 is actually E10, etc.

FWIW, we have always had oxygenated gas here in Colorado (at least as long as I've lived here/been driving). Originally it was MTBE, but that was phased out several years ago as it pollutes ground water pretty substantially, now ethanol has claimed the throne.

That said, I use E10 and have used E10/oxygenated gas in all of my cars since the mid-80's and have never noticed any appreciable drop in fuel economy. I average 37 MPG in my Yaris HB and hit 40MPG on my last tank.

As for the Fiesta.....it is a very nice looking car. I don't care much for Ford's either, but it is still a sharp car. I'll have to go check one out at the dealer. I happened to see one in Boulder on Memorial Day and wanted to get a closer look, but I was running a 10K race and stopping would have hurt worse than if I just kept running! :)

[mr9865]

if you want to know more about the fiesta, here is a link to someone who got one to drive from ford here in the states. http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=198086

[firebob]

I’m not a chemist and don’t under stand it all…

So I have it backwards. We are currently using E10 right now but soon it will be replaced by E15. E85 is flex fuel.

I do know that ethanol is an oxygen additive and the older popular one was MTBE. Are they now using both now in some places?

I have tested gas right out of the hose from time to time and the largest amount of ethanol I have found was about 38% using one of these things.
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/images/ethanolTest/gasLevel640.452.jpg

[Yaris Hilton]

When my girlfriend bought her yaris about 3 years ago when they first came to the states I remember seeing something like 40 mpg highway on the window sticker. Now with the EPA actually testing it the highway is something like 35 mpg.

They were actually tested before, and they're actually tested now. The EPA's driving test cycles (which are actually done on a dynamometer) changed for the 2008 model year. Lower mileage figures resulted. The aim of the revised test procedures was to give mileage estimates that better reflected numbers that average drivers were achieving. The Yaris didn't change when its posted mileage estimates went down. Just the test.

[IsLNdbOi]

It is a pretty nice car and I'm glad Ford is finally bringing it over.

Ford has taken a huge leap forward in just two years. It's time to take notice.

The Fiesta is very unlikely to recieve an EPA 40 mpg rating (highway). Maybe about 37, and about 30 city.

I give very high praise on the brilliant interior. This is one of Ford's best interiors ever and it's in a sub-compact! Everyone else will have to step it up.

Wow. It looks pretty good (inside and out). If that had been out a couple of months ago, I could have been driving a Ford around now.

[nemelek]

If or when it gets here and I was in the market for a new car, I would take a look at it before blindely buying another Yaris.

[GeneW]

First off, I love my yaris, but I average 34 MPG and for a small car that's not good. I just read about the Fiesta comming to the USA and it rocks. They say it should get a combined average of 40 MPG and has 120 HP and 112 lb. ft. of torque. To top it off it weighs 2,158. This thing ought to really scoot. I knew that this kind of car could be built to get near what the hybribs get in MPG. I'm not ready to ditch my Yaris but in a few years who knows. I predict that Toyota will make some improvements to the Yaris to keep up. Of course I would trust my Yaris over the Fiesta in reliability.

I'm sure it'll scoot, at least away from the Ford Dealership. Towards the dealership? Doubt it it'll scoot, more likely either tow or limp there.

Ford could screw up a baseball bat.

Gene

[voodoo22]

The Fiesta is a great looking car and even though it's substantially smaller than the Yaris, Interior room appears to be about the same and if it delivers on 40 combined it can only cause good things to happen in the competition for the economy car purchasers dollar.

I personally will be disappointed if our next car uses any gas at all.

[Kal-El]

The Fiesta is a great looking car and even though it's substantially smaller than the Yaris....

The Fiesta is about the same size as the Yaris Liftback. There's only about a 4" difference in length from what I can find.

[voodoo22]

The Fiesta is about the same size as the Yaris Liftback. There's only about a 4" difference in length from what I can find.

You're right, I was thinking about the Sedan which is quite a bit longer.

I doubt I'll ever see the interior of a fiesta, but it would be interesting to see how the interior space compares as interior ergonomics is where I find the domestics fail the most. I remember smashing my knees into an old impala which was longer than a house trailer, but had less leg room than a civic.

[Bredayaris]

Eeuhm the Fiesta is bigger than the Yaris for the liftback that is!
I've searched for the length Yaris: 149'' the Fiesta: 155.5''

But my brother's mother in law has the new Fiesta and she already has many problems with this car!!
The a/c unit doesn't work already and she has several other electronical problems with it!

Me and my boyfriend (isn't the English language egoistic ;-) ) had several Fords 2 times a Focus and i had a Escort but those were problem cars too..

[ddongbap]

I'd totally rock a Fiesta.

[ddongbap]

Eeuhm the Fiesta is bigger than the Yaris for the liftback that is!
I've searched for the length Yaris: 149'' the Fiesta: 155.5''

But my brother's mother in law has the new Fiesta and she already has many problems with this car!!
The a/c unit doesn't work already and she has several other electronical problems with it!

Me and my boyfriend (isn't the English language egoistic ;-) ) had several Fords 2 times a Focus and i had a Escort but those were problem cars too..

Loving the elitest actions here.

[aclark246]

They were actually tested before, and they're actually tested now. The EPA's driving test cycles (which are actually done on a dynamometer) changed for the 2008 model year. Lower mileage figures resulted. The aim of the revised test procedures was to give mileage estimates that better reflected numbers that average drivers were achieving. The Yaris didn't change when its posted mileage estimates went down. Just the test.

OHHHHH, I was under the impression that the old EPA tests were just numbers plugged in to some machine/computer or something. (You can see I'm ignorant to a lot of this stuff.) I knew the car didn't change and that it was just the tests changing, but I thought the new EPA tests were actual tests as opposed to calculations. My bad :thumbup:

The same goes for the e10 mixture which I also don't know much about.

Regardless, removing that misinformed point from my previous statement, I think I'm doing fine with my Yaris in the FE department but it is cool that another FE car is being added to the fleet. I just hope it is as good as we all hope.

[Yaris Hilton]

What you're probably thinking of is that the fuel consumption is actually calculated from the measured output of fuel products such as carbon dioxide. Seems backward, but if anyone's seen the clever ways some of those NASCAR mechanics have hidden extra fuel in cars they'll understand why it's done that way.

[Thirty-Nine]

FYI, I got to drive a 2011 Fiesta. Full article here:

http://bit.ly/7hEy5

I must say: I was very impressed with the Fiesta. It should be a great car for Ford in the U.S.

[wooverstone8]

FYI, I got to drive a 2011 Fiesta. Full article here:

http://bit.ly/7hEy5


I must say: I was very impressed with the Fiesta. It should be a great car for Ford in the U.S.

Excellent Review!

I'm not fan of the styling for Fiesta though, but I'm glad to see more small cars entering the market here in the states.

[doublewam]

Looks like the new Fiesta will be a great looking car. However, it's a Ford. Depreciation on it will bum you out and I don't think it will prove to be anywhere near as reliable as a Toyota. As for me, if it isn't a Honda or a Toyota, I'm done with it. Every Ford, Chrysler, & GM product I have ever owned has essentially been 'done' as a reliable automobile after 100,000 miles (some before). My Toyotas and Hondas have been 'miracle machines' in comparison.

For the record...cars I have owned...

Fords
2 Tauruses (both junk at 100,000-120,000 miles)
1 Windstar (also junked at 120,000 miles)

Chrysler
PT Cruiser ($2000 in warranty work, about $1000 out of pocket repairs, by 45,000 miles the AC was only working when going at least 55, it would often go dead when idling, the power steering made sounds like an elephant dying on cold days, other misc. issues. Traded this car in for the Yaris.)

Volkswagon
New Beetle (nightmare, was constantly back at the dealer with problems, traded it in at 20,000 miles for a Toyota Tacoma)

Dodge
Caravan (still have it, only 36,000 miles - only have a Dodge because due to depreciation of GM products, I was able to get it for no money out in a trade for a Tacoma double cab that was 2 years older with twice as many miles on it.)

Honda
Civic (250,000 miles, running great when I sold it)

Toyota

Celica (350,000 miles, my first car...purchased it with 250,000 miles for $900 and spent less than $500 in repairs to get another 100,000 out of it).

2 Tercels (1 in Anchorage Alaska purchased with 10,000 miles and put another 25,000 on it before I sold it...no issues through harsh Alaskan winter, the other Tercel had almost 200,000 miles on it when I traded it in for a new VW Bug-see above-eeek!)

2 Tacomas (single cab, no issues for 40,000 miles then traded it in on a new 2004 double cab. The double cab had no problems and we put 46000 miles on it and then traded it in at a dealer for a Dodge 2006 Caravan with half the miles on it...the Tacoma had such a great resale value we traded it out right for an even swap. Pretty amazing considering the Caravan was two years newer with half the miles on it and cost about $6000 more new than the Tacoma did.)

Yaris (just purchased two days ago...loving it)

WOW! Until I did this post, I had never made a list of all the cars I have owned. I had no idea there were that many.

[twowheels]

Now with the EPA actually testing it the highway is something like 35 mpg.

Do you actually think that's why it went down? You do realize that they changed their method of calculation and all cars went down, right?

[PHXDEMON]

I hope you understand that with all our BS safety standards by the time they bring that thing into the states it will weigh 2700 lbs.

[Thirty-Nine]

The Euro version already has front and side airbags. The U.S. version will probably get a bit bigger bumpers, but other than that, I don't know why the weight would increase ...