Well I got robbed...!

[Sabretooth]

Title says it easily enough.


Orlando, FL
June 10th, 9:45pm EST.

I was enjoying my lunch at a local Subway shop, with my girlfriend, already ordered and was about to finish up and leave, when 2 men entered the store, they were wearing all black, covered faces with (dew rags) and hoodies up. They demanded that all 4 of us (guests if you will eating there) remain quiet and dont say a word. Mind you that the 2 men were armed, one with what looked like a 9mm, the other with an automatic handgun. Neither of them removed the guns from their pants...they had them showing.

Note the whole time we were sitting down at the tables, not moving or trying to make a scene...

Now, one man stayed to watch us in the dining area, while the other went back to find the poor girl who was working there, yes she was working alone that night, he dragged her to the front and demanded she open the register. She did so, then they came around and told us to give us what we had on us, at this time I noticed that I stupidly left my $400 ($190 with contract) Phone on the table cause I was playing with it only minutes before...well that was now gone, wherever that guy put it. I handed him what money I had in my pocket ($8 tops) and then proceeded to watch him go to the other couple and take the guys phone (turned out to be his work phone) and his cash ($5-10).

The one guy decided to not pay attention that the other guy took my shit already, so he decided to ask us for what we had...we promptly told him that the other guy already took all our stuff, and they were about to leave. When the guy decided to pat me down while sitting, noticed my wallet, which had nothing in it, other than my ID and Insurance cards, and a badly destroyed ATM card. Needless to say he wanted my wallet, I tried to tell him to back off that that there was nothing in the wallet, as soon as I took it out to show him, he took it and both of them hauled ass out the door.

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After all this went down, we found out the girl working saw the men enter the store then pressed the silent panic alarm, which was to send a signal to the police to send help, that didnt work. So after a 911 call, the cops showed up, did their whole small investigation, then decided that they wouldnt be able to figure it out that night.

They tried to track the guys with a dog, but only followed them for a short time before the dog lost the scent (they got into a car).

The two men were best described as 21-29, African American in race, and seemed experienced in doing this kind of thing...they werent too jumpy about anything, very planned. Whole ordeal took only 6 minutes tops.

Police took statements then let us go after 2.5 hours of sitting around watching them work.

Needless to say I am out a good chunk of cash due to having to replace my phone.
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My question is...
Should I contact a lawyer for the 5 of us, to try and see if the Franchise company or even the alarm company should be held liable for a faulty alarm system that could have further put us into a dangerous situation, if the men decided they didnt just want our money...

Do I need to contact the Franchise company to try and see if they have insurance to cover the replacement of my phone, seeing they must have insurance to cover their loss, I dont see why the insurance wouldnt cover the victom's damages as well. We were there during the robbery, hence what we lost is technically part of the whole ordeal.

Overally it was a shitty situation.

I already went to the DMV and got a new ID, contacted my insurance companies and got my banking situation solved with closing of all my old accounts and opening new ones.

Just sucks ass...
Any suggestions on my questions?

[thebarber]

can you really sue the subway or the alarm company for a faulty alarm cus you get robbed in their store?

edit: sending to a friend of mine in law school (but its canadian law school)

[TinyGiant]

i would call a lawyer that has a free assesment thing.. and pitch the idea to them.

subway didn't have anything that worked in place to keep you safe. who knows if they ever test the alarm to see if it works.. I would think they would be able to replace the phone.. $400 is a drop in the bucket for subway

[eTiMaGo]

arghhhhh if you had turned on Latitude on your G1 we could have been tracking your phone right now and helping the police catch those scumbags :frown:

But really, sorry to hear of this ordeal, hope ou can get some kind of compensation...

[Bob_VT]

Glad you are okay!

I imagine that was not a good time and eating in a fast food place is no good for you anymore.

I agree (but I am no lawyer) that subway should replace your missing items.

[jclo3313]

Holy crap.:thumbdown:

[toad]

yeah, i've been told at my job NOT to hit the silent alarm until after the suspects leave. we're told to cooperate with them and get them out quickly. i guess they don't want an opportunity for things to possibly get worse if police cars pull up? glad everyone is ok!

[eTiMaGo]

replacing cash and valuables is certainly preferable to a possible hostage situation, that's for sure...

[Tamago]

please don't sue. that's so United States.


be lucky you're alive and move on with your life

[Shroomster]

glad you and the gf are ok kyle

[TinyGiant]

please don't sue. that's so United States.


be lucky you're alive and move on with your life

you could talk to the owners of the subway and just ask them to replace the phone.. they might do that :)

[TinyGiant]

where is chuck norris when you need him? gosh

[IllusionX]

eh!! glad you are still with us!!

[thebarber]

please don't sue. that's so United States.


be lucky you're alive and move on with your life

thats what i was thinking, but i thought as an outsider i should shut my yap

[*MAD DOG*]

Title says it easily enough.


Orlando, FL
June 10th, 9:45pm EST.

I was enjoying my lunch at a local Subway shop, with my girlfriend, already ordered and was about to finish up and leave, when 2 men entered the store, they were wearing all black, covered faces with (dew rags) and hoodies up. They demanded that all 4 of us (guests if you will eating there) remain quiet and dont say a word. Mind you that the 2 men were armed, one with what looked like a 9mm, the other with an automatic handgun. Neither of them removed the guns from their pants...they had them showing.

Note the whole time we were sitting down at the tables, not moving or trying to make a scene...

Now, one man stayed to watch us in the dining area, while the other went back to find the poor girl who was working there, yes she was working alone that night, he dragged her to the front and demanded she open the register. She did so, then they came around and told us to give us what we had on us, at this time I noticed that I stupidly left my $400 ($190 with contract) Phone on the table cause I was playing with it only minutes before...well that was now gone, wherever that guy put it. I handed him what money I had in my pocket ($8 tops) and then proceeded to watch him go to the other couple and take the guys phone (turned out to be his work phone) and his cash ($5-10).

The one guy decided to not pay attention that the other guy took my shit already, so he decided to ask us for what we had...we promptly told him that the other guy already took all our stuff, and they were about to leave. When the guy decided to pat me down while sitting, noticed my wallet, which had nothing in it, other than my ID and Insurance cards, and a badly destroyed ATM card. Needless to say he wanted my wallet, I tried to tell him to back off that that there was nothing in the wallet, as soon as I took it out to show him, he took it and both of them hauled ass out the door.

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After all this went down, we found out the girl working saw the men enter the store then pressed the silent panic alarm, which was to send a signal to the police to send help, that didnt work. So after a 911 call, the cops showed up, did their whole small investigation, then decided that they wouldnt be able to figure it out that night.

They tried to track the guys with a dog, but only followed them for a short time before the dog lost the scent (they got into a car).

The two men were best described as 21-29, African American in race, and seemed experienced in doing this kind of thing...they werent too jumpy about anything, very planned. Whole ordeal took only 6 minutes tops.

Police took statements then let us go after 2.5 hours of sitting around watching them work.

Needless to say I am out a good chunk of cash due to having to replace my phone.
----------

My question is...
Should I contact a lawyer for the 5 of us, to try and see if the Franchise company or even the alarm company should be held liable for a faulty alarm system that could have further put us into a dangerous situation, if the men decided they didnt just want our money...

Do I need to contact the Franchise company to try and see if they have insurance to cover the replacement of my phone, seeing they must have insurance to cover their loss, I dont see why the insurance wouldnt cover the victom's damages as well. We were there during the robbery, hence what we lost is technically part of the whole ordeal.

Overally it was a shitty situation.

I already went to the DMV and got a new ID, contacted my insurance companies and got my banking situation solved with closing of all my old accounts and opening new ones.

Just sucks ass...
Any suggestions on my questions?

Sucks this happened to you. Have you got a copy of a police report stating that you've had your wallet stolen? If not get one, If you have one keep it in a safe place as these low life scumbags more than likely will try and get credit cards and maybe even loans in your name and give you a bad credit rating.

Also for everyone else here on the forum I recommend you take every card out of your wallet/purse and place them on a photocopier. Photocopy both the front and back of all your cards, that way not only do you know the numbers on the cards, but you also know the phone numbers to ring to get these cards cancelled when they are no longer with you (e.g. stolen or lost).

I'm just glad no one got hurt. As for you trying to get Subway to pay for the phone, it's worth a shot, but I doubt you'll get anywhere with it. It's up to you to look after your own property, not Subway (yes I am aware you were robbed and that it sucks).

[SAKU]

which subway was it exactly? and you should contact a lawyer and see what he thinks, many of them usually advertise on free consultations
good luck and sorry it happened :frown:
orlando is getting dangerous huh

[Nexus1155]

I'm sorry this happened to you, but in all honesty...get a damn handgun, even if you resent it. If it happened there once your neighborhood must be shitty like mine. I am not saying to be the hero, but if they did have a gun and they pulled it out, you would all be dead right now. I know you don't want to think of the what ifs, but it is a possible scenario

Did you get insurance on the phone? even they should be able to replace it with a police report etc...but I am glad to see that you and everyone else is ok... assholes like that suck

[Sabretooth]

Well I do have an insurance plan or my phone...

I am not really in the mood to sue, but that was something that someone I know told me to look into...

I think that I will be contacting Dipasqua (the Subway franchise) to have they reimburse me for the cost of my deductable on the insurance. Which is $130.

[GeneW]

Why exactly does the Subway owe you anything? Did they rob you?

You kept cool and didn't do anything dumb. Had you been armed they'd have either shot you or taken the piece since they got close enough to touch you. Otherwise you'd have blasted at them and would be ponying up money for a lawyer. Can't shoot folks for free. I carry sometimes and do not like the prospect of hurting anyone, just figure better them than me.

Gene

[cali yaris]

I think you could argue that you should be reimbursed for your meal, but that's about it.

[Kioshi]

Sorry to hear this happen to you and you gf and others at Subway....

Important thing is, you guys are safe.....life is more valuable than some x amount phone dude or money.

I usually leave my GPS tracker ON on my Samsung Omnia so it can be tracked anytime.....I'm glad you didnt have your Yaris keys on you....if someone takes that away from me, then....:cry: or :slice:

[darthbauer]

So that blows but as Gene said, Subway did not rob you and they will not give you a dime. Sure their silent alarm thing did not work but they are probably not required by law to even have one so that's more or less out the door. I've been mugged before and lost about $40 bucks and this happened in a Target parking lot and Target security had the chance to stop the guy and did nothing.

Needles to say, im still out $40 bucks. If they got your ID I would get a gun like someone else said cause now these douche bags know where you live. Keep your doors and windows locked and stay safe.

[Nexus1155]

Can't shoot folks for free

Legally, you can shoot someone to kill if you or another civilians life is in imminent danger... it takes about 5 bullets to take someone down without a conflict i was taught by an officer

[darthbauer]

Legally, you can shoot someone to kill if you or another civilians life is in imminent danger... it takes about 5 bullets to take someone down without a conflict i was taught by an officer

Not so much here. You can and will probably get sued by the family of the jerk you shot. It sucks but its true. One of my old teachers got sued by a perp cause the jerk hurt himself on something in her house while in the middle of a B&E.

[MadMax]

God bless Texas and Castle Doctrine. If you are cleared by the Grand Jury (known as a 'no bill') for a clean shoot, you cannot be sued in civil court! Castle Doctrine also got rid of any obligation to retreat. If you are stupid enough to try and rob someone in Texas, there is a really good chance that you are gonna get shot!

Oh, and the beauty of it is, you shoot and kill one of the two robbers, and the other robber is charged with the murder! If a person commits a crime they take responsibility for all actions taken during the crime, to include those in self defense.

I am very happy to hear you and your girlfriend came through unscathed, but you never know how these things are going to turn out as the Luby's massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hennard) in Killeen back in 1991 demonstrated. It was one of the survivors of that incident, Suzanna Hupp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp) (who lost both of her parents) that drove the Texas Legislature to pass a shall-issue gun law, which requires that all qualifying applicants be issued a Concealed Handgun License. Hupp was later elected to the Texas House of Representatives in 1996.

We Texans owe a lot to Suzanna Hupp!

Cheers! M2

[MadMax]

Legally, you can shoot someone to kill if you or another civilians life is in imminent danger...

Laws vary by state, but in Texas you are allowed to employ lethal force for more reasons other than a person's life being in imminent danger...

PC §9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person
is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under
Section 9.31;
(2) if a reasonable person in the actor's situation would not have
retreated; and
(3) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly
force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use
of unlawful deadly force; or
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated
kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault,
robbery, or aggravated robbery.

it takes about 5 bullets to take someone down without a conflict i was taught by an officer

That's bullshit! Shot placement is the most important aspect of self defense (caliber being second), and a well-placed single shot can and will stop an attacker. But you had better place that round exactly where you need it to be!

To ensure a high kill probability, we were always taught 'two to the chest, one to the head; we prefer them alive but we'll take them dead!' :headbang:

[Nexus1155]

Well I mean yeah you can take someone down with a single headshot dont get me wrong but i mean if your just shootin into him 5 will drop him like a stone.

But so whoever said against the shooting because you would get sued.... are you friggen mad... would you rather have your life or your money... thats really greedy

[darthbauer]

Well I mean yeah you can take someone down with a single headshot dont get me wrong but i mean if your just shootin into him 5 will drop him like a stone.

But so whoever said against the shooting because you would get sued.... are you friggen mad... would you rather have your life or your money... thats really greedy


Greedy I am but that's a whole other story. If you read the rest of what I said then you will know why I said it. I would rather have my life than my money but if some guy is only taking my money and not killing people then I'm not going to shoot the guy. If you read the op then you should remember that they did not even have their guns out. I'm not going to kill a guy over the 8 bucks in my pocket. Last time I pulled a gun on someone was because the asshole was beating my then pregnant wife. He turned and ran and was picked up by the cops outside. Would you kill a guy over money? If he would have pulled on anyone then I would have shot the guy.

[GeneW]

Legally, you can shoot someone to kill if you or another civilians life is in imminent danger... it takes about 5 bullets to take someone down without a conflict i was taught by an officer

Even a Coroner's Inquest is pricey. Last I heard about $10,000 in legal fees.

Shooting someone beats getting shot yourself but that's about the only good of it.

Gene

[Yarold n Kumar]

Even if your iPhone didn't hAve gps tracking activated, lAw enforcement should be able to triAngulate the position of your phone using the cell towers and the phone's signal. The da's office should be able to get a warrant to access this information in real time. The tech pinpoints location down to a couple feet. You should also be able to apply for some kind of restitution because you were the victim of a crime. Contact your local district attorney's office (criminal prosecutor) and ask for help. A private lawyer will not have as much sway as the gov lawyer who is paid to work with the police.

[Yarold n Kumar]

Oops. Florida employs "state attorneys".

[Nexus1155]

No i read the OP fully, but I am saying hypothetically if they did pull out guns and were potential killers

[MadMax]

Greedy I am but that's a whole other story. If you read the rest of what I said then you will know why I said it. I would rather have my life than my money but if some guy is only taking my money and not killing people then I'm not going to shoot the guy. If you read the op then you should remember that they did not even have their guns out. I'm not going to kill a guy over the 8 bucks in my pocket. Last time I pulled a gun on someone was because the asshole was beating my then pregnant wife. He turned and ran and was picked up by the cops outside. Would you kill a guy over money? If he would have pulled on anyone then I would have shot the guy.

Armed robbery is considered lethal force, so you don't have to wait for someone to start shooting to defend yourself. At that point, it may be too late.

If I had the opportunity to do so, would I shoot and kill a guy who was robbing me at gunpoint ? Hell yes! You never know what is going on in that person's mind, and they may actually kill you for those eight bucks (it's happened for lesss), so you had better make a move before they do!

[GeneW]

Armed robbery is considered lethal force, so you don't have to wait for someone to start shooting to defend yourself. At that point, it may be too late.

If I had the opportunity to do so, would I shoot and kill a guy who was robbing me at gunpoint ? Hell yes! You never know what is going on in that person's mind, and they may actually kill you for those eight bucks (it's happened for lesss), so you had better make a move before they do!

They might shoot you to "eliminate witnesses", because they're sociopaths who don't care if you live or die, or because they want to see you plead for your life before they take it from you. You may look like their least favorite school teacher, school yard bully or they want "payback" for something that has nothing to do with you.

Pointing a weapon at someone is serious business. People who do is casually or recklessly need their attitudes adjusted, preferably so that they learn but if not, better them than you.

Gene

[toad]

Armed robbery is considered lethal force, so you don't have to wait for someone to start shooting to defend yourself. At that point, it may be too late.

If I had the opportunity to do so, would I shoot and kill a guy who was robbing me at gunpoint ? Hell yes! You never know what is going on in that person's mind, and they may actually kill you for those eight bucks (it's happened for lesss), so you had better make a move before they do!

as a gun-owner you have a responsibility to the other people around you also. yes, if you feel your life is in jeopardy, by all means, defend yourself. however, in this particular incident there were other patrons in an enclosed area(i'm assuming this subway restaurant is like all others i've been in) and i feel that gun or no-gun the op did the right thing - stay calm and don't do anything rash. the robbers had weapons, but did not have them pulled. yes, things could have gotten worse, but a gunfight in a small place with other people could be even worse. don't call me some 'bleading-heart liberal', i sell guns for a living(rifles and shotguns, no pistols) and am a firm believer in the right to bear arms. i just want to state that carrying a weapon is a right, but with that right comes MUCH responsibility. bottom line, nobody got hurt and that's all that matters!

[MadMax]

I never said there was an automatic requirement to shoot the robbers, I was simply pointing out that anytime an armed robbery is committed, you have a legal right to defend yourself using lethal force.

This was a lucky incident, as GeneW pointed out you don't what the robbers are thinking and even though they didn't have their weapons pulled it doesn't mean they didn't intend to use them later. And in Texas the display of a weapon to cause alarm is considered enough justification to use lethal force in defense.

Lastly, please don't think I have any desire or intention to kill someone, that couldn't be farther from the truth. But as a responsible gun owner I know what my rights are, and I have had more than sufficient training both in my 25 years in the military and in the civilian world to know when it is safe to shoot. It the threat is there, and I determine I have to defend myself, my family or others, I will not hesitate to act.

[nsmitchell]

I sure am glad to hear nobody got hurt.

Nobody had GPS locating enabled on their phones?

Also those phones should be trackable via their EIN if they are activated.

[Sabretooth]

well the police tried to gain access to track my phone via GPS. Tmobile couldnt/wouldnt track it from a customer service level.

Most cell phone companies wont bother with a track of the GPS unless its a case that involves Kidnapping/Attempted Homicide/Homicide, etc.

IF I had my Google Latitude service on, Thomas couldve found my phone anywhere in the world, lol.

[Nexus1155]

I mean for GPS on a G1, this phone sucks... its not accurate, but it will give you the location of the phone within a 4 street range... Anyways, it pretty much was attempted homicide if they have a gun? Cell phone carriers are just assholes to begin with so don't even go there lol

ie. I've been with the service for 6 years in a plan never missed a payment, one month the check was misplaced and they shutoff my phone... i mean holy shit really...

I love my G1 in general though <3

[TheRealEnth]

every1 put a mini gps in ur phone....

[Sabretooth]

I love my G1 in general though <3



I love mine too, the GPS isnt that bad, use it for directions, it actually will locate you on a map with a little blue dot, even while driving. I enjoyed tracking myself while using it while lost in Melbourne once before.

I am starting to go through phone withdrawls already. Plus its hard for my friends and family to get used to the fact that I dont have a phone, I bet my gmail account is slammed full, lol. I dont check it unless I have the phone on me.

[*MAD DOG*]

.... I enjoyed tracking myself while using it while lost in Melbourne once before.....


You were in Melbourne and didn't catch up with me? :cry:

[Justin220]

Sorry to hear that, a crazy world actually! it's lucky you and your gf was safe!

[MadMax]

You were in Melbourne and didn't catch up with me? :cry:

There is a Melbourne in Florida as well...