Closest to a HID kit?

[IsLNdbOi]

Anyone know what replacment lights out there are the closest to HID lights without actually being a HID?

I'm looking for some for my '07 US LB.

[paultyler_82]

HIR bulbs are the closest standard Halogens to a HID, but I don't beleive there is a suitable HIR bulb for a H4 (9003) conversion...
You might try Sylvania Xtravisions, Osram (not Sylvania) Silverstar, GE Nighthawks, Phillips Vision Plus, or Narva Rangepower

[IsLNdbOi]

Can you link some HIR type lights? Thanks.

[Violin]

If you like a slightly purplish look, you can try the PIAA Super Plasma GT-X.

Not mine:
http://codeflux.smugmug.com/photos/55849052-M.jpg


They are much brighter than stock. I got mine here: http://www.velocityfactor.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=654

[IsLNdbOi]

That looks pretty nice. Anyone have pics. of Osram Silverstars or Sylvania XtraVisions in action?

[johnnyfive]

with the osram, or sylvania the stock harness will be more than enough

ill go take a shot of my osrams right now, post it up in a few :)

edit: ehh no pictures due to insuficient digital camera, which provided only a superwashed out white blob...but they are nice bulbs, driving on the freeway i can see that my lights outreach the lights of the cars driving infront of me at times :)

[IsLNdbOi]

So which ones do you have johnny, the Osram Silverstars or Sylvania XtraVisions?

To everyone else that has them as well, which is better the Osram Silverstars or Sylvania XtraVisions?

[paultyler_82]

So which ones do you have johnny, the Osram Silverstars or Sylvania XtraVisions?

To everyone else that has them as well, which is better the Osram Silverstars or Sylvania XtraVisions?

The Sylvania XtraVisions are the true US Equivalent of the Osram Silverstars, I believe... the Sylvania XtraVision, Sylvania Silverstar, and Osram Silverstars seem to all have the exact same specs, however the USDM Sylvania Silverstars have that nasty blue/purple glass that is actually cutting output because it's filtering part of the visible light output. The trick is that the bulbs have a slightly different filament and gas mix which allows them to "drive" a bit harder on the same wattage as a stock bulb, the only downside is that all three of these bulbs suffer from a slightly shorter lifespan than a standard Sylvania or Philips bulb, the US Sylvania Silverstars suffer from quality problems on certain types of bulbs as well, the Sylvania Silverstar H4's seem to be plagued by loose filament problems, or so the complaints I've heard would seem to indicate. I've had both Osrams and XtraVisions, and I've loved both, so you'll probably be happy no matter what, just that the XtraVisions can be found at your local auto parts store and Wal Mart, whereas the Osrams aren't sold in any US Store, you'll have to get them online.


I really wish there was a H4 (9003) convertable HIR bulb, as these things put out some great light, for those who aren't familiar, HIR is a Halogen Infared bulb. They are standard Halogens, but they look similar to a HID Capsule. The bulb has a coating that lets the visible light through but reflects the IR light back inward to "overdrive" the filament and gas for above conventional output.

[IsLNdbOi]

Just got back from Wal-Mart. Wow, if the XtraVisions are so good, why does their packaging look so plain / ugly. :p

The packaging for the Silverstars is very nice, not that the packaging makes a better light.

[paultyler_82]

Because Sylvania doesn't try to market them as a "Hi-Performance" bulb like they do those Silverstars (like I said, the US units are those purple/blue bulbs that actually cut output of true visible light due to the light filter.) The Osram Silverstars are in relatively plain packaging as well, and aren't as overpriced as those beautifully packaged substandard US Silverstars.

[IsLNdbOi]

Just went to Sylvania's site. They have SilverStar and SilverStar Ultra. I've never seen the Ultras in store before.

They also have their own brand of HIDs called "Xenarc".

[IsLNdbOi]

Ok, I think I'm gonna go w/ Violin's PIAA's. Now I just need to decide whether I want the:

PIAA H4 Super Plasma GT-X
http://www.velocityfactor.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=654


or


PIAA H4 Xtreme White Plus
http://www.velocityfactor.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=617


Would I need upgraded / heavier duty harnesses if I used either of these two PIAA models?

[sam07yaris]

If you like a slightly purplish look, you can try the PIAA Super Plasma GT-X.

Not mine:
http://codeflux.smugmug.com/photos/55849052-M.jpg


They are much brighter than stock. I got mine here: http://www.velocityfactor.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=654



IF thats a marketing pic, then that would be a definite false advertising. Infinit's have H.I.D. on upper models but by looking at that pic that is DEFINATELY HID to make sales on a bulb thats non HID to claim it is. Trust me on that one bud. Purplish look is the LOWEST output in H.I.D. People, I must inform you to just stick with 4300 K. The majority are misinformed about the color of HID so please take a safety precaution for your self as well as other drivers to just stick with 4300 K and not pick dandy over the rainbow colors.

[IsLNdbOi]

IF thats a marketing pic, then that would be a definite false advertising. Infinit's have H.I.D. on upper models but by looking at that pic that is DEFINATELY HID to make sales on a bulb thats non HID to claim it is. Trust me on that one bud. Purplish look is the LOWEST output in H.I.D. People, I must inform you to just stick with 4300 K. The majority are misinformed about the color of HID so please take a safety precaution for your self as well as other drivers to just stick with 4300 K and not pick dandy over the rainbow colors.


I've seen people's pics. on other forums of their PIAA Super Plasma GT-X's and they look just like the ones in the pic. Violin posted.

[paultyler_82]

I've had PIAA bulbs, they're okay, but mostly just overpriced junk.

[IsLNdbOi]

Hmmm... What to do now.

I hate the stock headlights, but can't afford Chris07LB's high/low beam HID kit. What's the best option for me then? Osram SilverStars?

[vodkalush]

Hmmm... What to do now.

I hate the stock headlights, but can't afford Chris07LB's high/low beam HID kit. What's the best option for me then? Osram SilverStars?

do what I'm doing; put aside some of your saved gas $$ into a "improvement" fund.

[Violin]

I've had PIAA bulbs, they're okay, but mostly just overpriced junk.

because?

[paultyler_82]

Because they're standard spec bulbs with one of those blue filters on them, those colored glass filters will actually cut output, because they're not allowing part of the visible light that the bulb generates to pass through the capsule. If you want a "blue bulb" you can buy some off brand for 10-20 dollars cheaper, you don't need to shell out top dollar for the PIAA's which only have marginally better build quality. I remember when PIAA actually used to be a great name in lighting because their products were quality, but now that's all they're selling on is their name.

[IsLNdbOi]

I haven't seen any standard or off brand bulb that is as bright as PIAAs Extreme White Plus or Super Plasma GT-Xs though.

[Violin]

I'd prefer the Super Plasma GT-X not have the purple topcoat but they are far brighter than anything I've seen (sans HID).

[Yaris JWRC TTE]

Just got my PIAA Plasma GT-X Bulbs today and really love them, i had to say they look like the bulbs that are closest to the H.I.D. that i have seen, it cost me $75, but it is worth the money , because it has a really clear white light, and a lil of purple in it, no more yellew in the light, this is what i have wanted, i have try many other brands like silver star , that was peice of sh*t i have to say because the light of it is not even white, it's still yellow, and cost me $35, if any one is looking for closest H.I.D. light bulbs, i srtongly recommand the PIAA Plasma GT-X, trust me, i have try so many other brand, and none of them even look white. theres my pics enjoy.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2473000-2473999/2473131_17_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2473000-2473999/2473131_18_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2473000-2473999/2473131_19_full.jpg

[Violin]

IF thats a marketing pic, then that would be a definite false advertising. Infinit's have H.I.D. on upper models but by looking at that pic that is DEFINATELY HID to make sales on a bulb thats non HID to claim it is. Trust me on that one bud. Purplish look is the LOWEST output in H.I.D. People, I must inform you to just stick with 4300 K. The majority are misinformed about the color of HID so please take a safety precaution for your self as well as other drivers to just stick with 4300 K and not pick dandy over the rainbow colors.


I missed this post before. Mine look exactly that color and the photos posted just above.

[hasher22]

Well the yaris the orangy light which i hate.....im soon going to get myself some "Xenon Halogen H4 7500K Super White Bulbs." I really hate the light orange /yellow colour that splurs out. Damn thats ugly

I seriously cant be bothered payin 200AUD + for a kit.......

[oscarying]

Well the yaris the orangy light which i hate.....im soon going to get myself some "Xenon Halogen H4 7500K Super White Bulbs." I really hate the light orange /yellow colour that splurs out. Damn thats ugly

I seriously cant be bothered payin 200AUD + for a kit.......


not only 200+,and the labour fee is another ripped

[Jfoofoo]

Just got my PIAA Plasma GT-X Bulbs today and really love them, i had to say they look like the bulbs that are closest to the H.I.D. that i have seen, it cost me $75, but it is worth the money , because it has a really clear white light, and a lil of purple in it, no more yellew in the light, this is what i have wanted, i have try many other brands like silver star , that was peice of sh*t i have to say because the light of it is not even white, it's still yellow, and cost me $35, if any one is looking for closest H.I.D. light bulbs, i srtongly recommand the PIAA Plasma GT-X, trust me, i have try so many other brand, and none of them even look white. theres my pics enjoy.
Besides the H4 Head light bulbs what are the others bulbs you have listed? Where did you purchased them from and what model # are these other bulbs?

Thanks

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

Besides the H4 Head light bulbs what are the others bulbs you have listed? Where did you purchased them from and what model # are these other bulbs?

Thanks

i use the H4 and just the lil weage bulbs in the lens, but just make sure u buy Plasma GT-X models for both H4 and the weage bulbs and will look like my car in the pics, im teling u its really bright and white, my car looks like it has HID, since u live in NJ u may not have retail sales PIAA, u may have to buy them online:laugh:

[manborn]

i wonder if it will pass nj, US inspection. those PIAA look damn good.

[Violin]

If not its a 5-10 minute swap. Just wear latex gloves to be sure you get nothing on the bulbs.

[Jfoofoo]

i use the H4 and just the lil weage bulbs in the lens, but just make sure u buy Plasma GT-X models for both H4 and the weage bulbs and will look like my car in the pics, im teling u its really bright and white, my car looks like it has HID, since u live in NJ u may not have retail sales PIAA, u may have to buy them online:laugh:
When you say Lil Weage Bulbs are you refering to the front sidemarkers?

[Chris07LB]

Im sorry, but no halogen bulb will look or perform like an HID system.

Those pics above do look fantastic though! :thumbup:

[Violin]

Prolly the parking lights. It would look weird to upgrade the headlamp and not those. You'd want the parking lamp to nearly match the color of the headlamp.

[Chris07LB]

LED Parking Lights..

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

Yup thats called weage bulbs that chris posted photo above, it may not perform like HID, but it does look like the closest to HID.:smile:

[IsLNdbOi]

What's "weage"? Do you mean wedge?

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

What's "weage"? Do you mean wedge?

i think ur right, i dont remember the spelling after i left the store, it says in ur Yairs manual tells u the type of the bulbs call, and the label says the same thing in the store.

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

so theres ur answer to the question of the closest bulbs to the HID is the PIAA Super Plsama GT-X

[Chris07LB]

Correct, it's a 194 Wedge bulb. :smile:

They match my HIDs exactly. :biggrin:

Look close, its not your typical LED "bulb."

[vodkalush]

where'd you get those?

[Chris07LB]

where'd you get those?

I get them from the same place as the HID kits. $30 a pair is what he gets.

[as400g33k]

Well the yaris the orangy light which i hate.....im soon going to get myself some "Xenon Halogen H4 7500K Super White Bulbs." I really hate the light orange /yellow colour that splurs out. Damn thats ugly

I seriously cant be bothered payin 200AUD + for a kit.......

I didn't like the stock yellow lights either but the Philips Blue Vision 4000K H4s are about 60AUD plus it has blue park lights which I don't like. I would have liked the Diamond Vision 5000K H4s but they're not street legal in SA, so I bought Narva Arctic Blue 4000K H4 for 38AUD then bought a pair of super white led parking lights for about 10AUD to match the Narvas.

The Narva's white light is better than the stock yellow so I'm satisfied with my purchase.

[Violin]

PIAA Super Plasma GT-X

low beam:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1103/rjenkie/photo004Small.jpg

high beam (whiter color):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1103/rjenkie/photo007Small.jpg

[Fer.pa]

Custom black housing infiniti Q45 HID projector headlamp retrofit

who know abaout that lamps?

more pics of the car on the link below

http://cotm.montrealracing.com/v/avril06/

[Kitt]

that car is just toooooo hot man i want those tailights!!!!

[Black Yaris]

too bad there is not a HID projector lamp for the current model Yaris... that would be sick

[Fer.pa]

some picss
http://www.illusion-lighting.com/gallery/headlamp%20retrofit%20with%20dot%20spec%20hid%20%2 0xenon%20projector/toyota/2003%20tundra%20r.html

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:


more information

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/tundra/67288-hid-projector-headlights-for-tundra/

I went here (HIDtech.com) and they answered all my questions promptly, here is their response. It looks like they are a good company to work with, definitely know their stuff.



Thank you for your interest in our products.

A retrofit for your vehicle will not be a problem. The total cost to
retrofit your vehicle will depend on what type of projector you would like
to use. A retrofit using a DOT spec HID / xenon projector will cost a total
of $1050^. This will include:
-2 DOT spec HID / xenon projectors*
-2 Philips 4100k D2S bulbs
-2 Hella ballast
-wiring harness
-cosmetic trim (optional, if not purchased subtract $100)
-return shipping

A retrofit using an ECE spec HID / xenon projector will cost a total of
$1100^. This will include:
-2 ECE spec HID / xenon projectors*
-2 Philips 4100k D2S bulbs
-2 Hella ballast
-wiring harness
-cosmetic trim (optional, if not purchased subtract $100)
-return shipping

If a bi-xenon projector is needed over the single low beam xenon
application, there is an additional $50 cost. The bi-xenon projector is
primarily used for vehicles that use a single bulb as both low and high
beams. The bi-xenon projector would function as both the low and high
beams.

If you currently have your own bulbs that you would like to use, your total
retrofit cost would be discounted $50. As long as your bulbs are OEM based
without any modifications then they should be reusable. If you currently
have your own ballast that you would like to use, your total retrofit cost
would be discounted by $150. As long as your ballast and/or bulb are OEM
based without any modifications
(http://www.illusion-lighting.com/misc/oem.jpg) then they should be
reusable.

If you would like for us to purchase a new set of headlamps for you, we
would purchase those directly from our local dealer. The cost that the
dealer charges us would then be passed down to you. Typical headlamp cost
for most vehicles range from $200 to $600 for the pair. Please note that
most domestic (American) vehicles will require the use of aftermarket
headlamps. OEM headlamps for domestic vehicles are sealed permanently.

An optional Philips 6000k is also available if you are looking for a more
intense blue/purple. The Philips 6000k bulb can be substituted with the
Philips 4100k bulb for an additional $200.

Turnaround time for a projector retrofit will vary depending on our work
load at the time. Our usual turnaround time for most projects is one to
three weeks. However, if a quick turnaround time is essential, we can
perform the retrofit in one weekend if needed. The cost for the one weekend
turnaround is an additional $150. This also includes a three day return
shipping service through FedEx.

Currently we have openings available in July. If you are interested and
would like to secure a date to have your headlamps retrofitted, we ask that
you leave a $100 deposit payable through Paypal to
sales@illusion-lighting.com and complete our online customer form
(http://wwwillusion-lighting.com/contacts.html) if you have not already done
so. Once we receive the deposit and the completed form we will send you a
completed / finalized sales invoice with a breakdown of each component and
we can schedule a specific date for you to ship in your headlamps.

*Price may vary slightly depending on which projector is used.
^ Prices do not include sales tax (8.25% if located in California) or
customs tax where applicable.

Due to the large volume of e-mails we receive, PLEASE include previous
e-mails when responding. This will allow us to read the complete dialogue
in one message and will result in quicker responses.

[hasher22]

Wow 1000USD for that? i thaught it would be like 200 MAX

[Chris07LB]

There is a shop in NYC that for around $700 start to finish will take your headlights, get them apart, install projectors, seal the back up, and ship back. Dont remember if it also included a set of HIDs.. I do remember then selling them as well though.

[Fer.pa]

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:


Custom Q45 Projector HID Retro

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Custom-Q45-Projector-HID-Retro-Toyota-Echo-Hatchback_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ36476QQihZ001 QQitemZ110042594515QQrdZ1

Custom Headlight Eyebrows

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Custom-Headlight-Eyebrows-Toyota-Echo-Hatchback_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ38661QQihZ001 QQitemZ110042586125QQrdZ1

JDM Toyota Vitz LED Taillights

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-Toyota-Vitz-LED-Taillights-Toyota-Echo-Hatchback_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33716QQihZ001 QQitemZ110042588765QQrdZ1

[theycallmebutter]

I've seen people's pics. on other forums of their PIAA Super Plasma GT-X's and they look just like the ones in the pic. Violin posted.


Why don't you spend some money and get a legit HID kit. It gives you much higher intensity, much more lumens, they draw less power and they last almost 5 times longer then halogen.

Those Plasma stuff is merely color-coated glass and hence it affects your lumens (brightness). HID, like 4300K, gives you between 2900-3200 lumens, which is 3 times of brightness of halogen.

Read this toturial, especially the "MISCONCEPTION" part:
http://www.intellexual.net/hid.html

[07WYarisRS]

I understand what you are sayin but for some people it just makes no sence to spend a reatrded amount of $$$ on a bit of extra lighting.

The OEM lights cast more then enough light for me to see at night. Fact is the Yaris has the best lighting out of any car/bike I have ever owned. I don't need more light.
I would however like to change the color a bit because i like the look/color of HID. I spent $30 and had super white lights for 3 years. Parked next to my sisters Mini cooper S tmy truck lights were nearly the exact same color. the difference in the amount the light cast between the two was not worth $500-$1000 IMO.

[theycallmebutter]

That's fine and cool, whatever floats your boat. I understand some people just want a little but not the whole thing. I wasn't flaming the guy but trying to give the guy advice and a tutorial about it to read.

[CASTREX]

Just a little more information on this subject in case anyone cares.

I got a set of GE's Night Hawks a couple of weeks ago for sometinng around $26.

Last week I found the Orsram Silverstars in a local store for only $11 so I got them.

I went home and install a GE bulb in one of the headlights and a Osram on the other side...

This are the results: The color of the light is the same in both. Not complete white but far away from the yellow OEM's.

But... here is the diference! Using the low beam, the Osram's outperformed the GE's in the intensity and reach of the light... by far...!
When using the high beam, both were pretty close (you can't tell the difference).

So.... by less than the half of the price of the Night hawks I found a much better bulb! Be carefull when you buy something by the looks of the box...

Also, Osrams are German made while the GE's... gues what? China

[paultyler_82]

Yes, the Osram Silverstars are very well made and do put out a decent amount of light, not to be confused with the Sylvania Silverstars, of course, which are absolute crap.

[d2dailly]

what about the hid kits on www.xenonking.com would those be directly plug and play into the headlight (except for mounting the ballast and ignitor) ?

[elsteverino889]

Dude I dont understand, why pay $75-$100 on bulbs instead of just paying $130-$200 on REAL HID convertion kits...I just installed my HID's that I bought on ebay. The fog lights were $130 and the bi-xenon HID system which has hi/low beam for $189 that was a steal and they are excellent trust me those little bulbs wont compare to HID's and why are you going to pay for something that is half way to the cost HID's just go big.

[Chris07LB]

I can get you a real HID kit that will last for $220 shipped.

[Blenjar]

Dude I dont understand, why pay $75-$100 on bulbs instead of just paying $130-$200 on REAL HID convertion kits...I just installed my HID's that I bought on ebay. The fog lights were $130 and the bi-xenon HID system which has hi/low beam for $189 that was a steal and they are excellent trust me those little bulbs wont compare to HID's and why are you going to pay for something that is half way to the cost HID's just go big.

got any pics?

-- Blen

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

Dude I dont understand, why pay $75-$100 on bulbs instead of just paying $130-$200 on REAL HID convertion kits...I just installed my HID's that I bought on ebay. The fog lights were $130 and the bi-xenon HID system which has hi/low beam for $189 that was a steal and they are excellent trust me those little bulbs wont compare to HID's and why are you going to pay for something that is half way to the cost HID's just go big.


:needpics:

[PetersRedYaris]

Correct, it's a 194 Wedge bulb. :smile:

They match my HIDs exactly. :biggrin:

Look close, its not your typical LED "bulb."

Where do you get these?

[Yaris88]

lumincents bulbs or how ever u spell it i have the pure blues they are really clost to a hid ive been pulled over for them being to blue for the COBB county police

[Chris07LB]

Where do you get these?

Look in my post, - http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17996&postcount=1

and PM me.

[manborn]

thinking about making my fogs to HIR, can i hack a 9011(high) or 9012(low) hir to fit in the fog's h11 socket or the entire fog capsule for that matter?

not sure if the HIR bulbs might be too fat or long for the fog case itself.