2010 Yaris?

[Sabretooth]

Ok, heres a nice little thread for everyone to discuss.

If you have had your head stuck in a hole this whole year, 2009 was a big year for the Yaris. Well kinda, they redesigned it and added some nice pretty designing inside. The Onyx special edition came out (which wasnt all it was cracked up to be)...

Well for 2010, there hasnt been much said or discussed yet, but with the current changes to the Yaris overseas, it took a chat with Tamago and a realization of current models, that the 1nz (1.5L motor) is getting phased from Toyota's lineup.

Scion Xa/Xb, Yaris, Prius all had the 1.5L at the same time. Now Toyota has done away with 3 of the 4 platforms that origionally came with the motor. All have been equiped with the 1.8L or 2.4L... Soooo, does this mean that the Yaris is next?

I personally think so, I see within the next year, either the 2010 or 2011 Yaris will be equiped with the same 1.8L that the Yaris TS and Scion Xd are equipped with.

What you guys think? Logical assumption, or am I crazy?

[TheRealEnth]

i think thats true.. probaly the 1.8 like the xd

[twowheels]

That would be unfortunate. I'd rather see the 1.3L, though it's too late for me, I already made my purchase.

[Sabretooth]

Good news for future Yaris owners, finally an engine that handles boost well!
Could be possible that the next Yaris would have rear disk brakes as well, possible 5 lug pattern if they take the direct Xd approach.

[Sabretooth]

Why the 1.3L, the car would be come rather sluggish and underpowered. Would feel like a smart car.

Also, it is said that the Scion IQ when it gets here will have the 1.5L engine in it, so question is now. They could leave the Yaris with the 1.5L, but it would be kinda stupid to do so. Every car maker who is making subcompacts is trying to sqeeze every HP out of their engines, even upping the displacement on paper 1.5L --> 1.6L, I could see Toyota delivering a big slap in the face by shoving a 1.8L and then becoming on par with the Nissan Versa.

[HTM Yaris]

Maybe the new Yaris will go Hybrid or Hydrogen or Sub Atomic :smile:

[cali yaris]

it is said that the Scion IQ when it gets here will have the 1.5L engine in it,

I think it's confirmed that it will be the 1.3L, at least that is what I read.

1.8L in the Yaris makes sense; it can be configured for very efficient mileage, and if they are using it in the Prius, why not the Yaris too.

[cali yaris]

p.s. -- I would "configure" the 1.8L for something else, though... :biggrin:

[Sabretooth]

I think a 1.8L Yaris pushing 400whp is in the works from MicroImage, lol.

I think the 1.8L will be "downtuned" to get similar MPG ratings to what we have now, or just slightly above that of the Xd, The Yaris will remain the flagship for Toyota when it comes to non hybrid MPG machines, at least here in the US...

If they take the Yaris all 1.8L worldwide, just think what it is in the works for a TRD package over in Japan, lol. 250hp Turbo 1.8L :drool:

[yaris 2sz]

from the end of 2005 in europe, they stopped the 1nz.
the new yaris has the 1nr. 1.33cc 101hp.
maybe you will have the same engine.
who knows...

[scape]

yaris may be going hybrid.. probably 1.8 L with hybrid...
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090325/FREE/903259995

but yes, I too think the 1.5 is getting phased out

what I'd like to see is a batteryless hybrid, with just some big capacitors and a good single gear tranny to an electric generator. it could be much cheaper (and lighter) than the current battery-hybrid stuff... not to mention the electric motors could be in the back to help displace weight... but hey, I don't get paid the big bucks ;D

[kimona]

That would be unfortunate. I'd rather see the 1.3L, though it's too late for me, I already made my purchase.

Agreed.

[Sandwash]

Maybe the new Yaris will go Hybrid or Hydrogen or Sub Atomic :smile:

Toyota recently announced Yaris hybrid in to be sold in 2011, i believe.

[Yaris Hilton]

It certainly doesn't need a bigger or more powerful engine, but that seems likely to happen.

[Lazerdot]

I'd like to see a similar yaris as now but with a reduced profile roof line and lower stock seats.

Will the 2010/2011 have a body profile like ours now?

[Sabretooth]

I dont think that the Yaris will get a chopped look anytime soon, many reasons it is so popular is the fact that you can fit 4 people in the car with no hassles, this includes that you need alot of head room to do this in the back.

Plus before the site hack, someone tried to do a roof hack photoshop and it didnt look very good. Whole car has to be profiled down, the doors are way too big if u are looking to lower the complete profile of the car, down to TC height...if thats what your wanting.

[scape]

a convertible could quite possibly have a lowered roof line, rather effectively by reducing the angle on the front window, minimizing window sizes... i too think it's (hatchback) is a bit too tall for most needs...and why oh why is the sedan lower in profile than the hatchback....i have no idea

[roxy1]

the 1.5 is plenty of engine for the yaris, but im sure toyota will follow the trend and put the 1.8 in the next gen. i get 40+mpg highway easily in my 09 corolla, which is 2700+ lbs. if they keep the next yaris from bloating up to 2500 lbs, it should achieve great mileage.

personally, id like them to not bother with a hybrid yaris. the purchase price will take it away from its current role, cheap, reliable transportation.

[talnlnky]

I dont think that the Yaris will get a chopped look anytime soon, many reasons it is so popular is the fact that you can fit 4 people in the car with no hassles, this includes that you need alot of head room to do this in the back.


Agreed, I love my LB because I can fit so much in it... and the height is great! I'm 6'4", it has more headroom than basically any sedan I've ever sat in... I like the headroom.

Last night the GF & I fit a 60wide 32tall 23deep table in it. I don't suggest anybody try to do the same, We had to slide the seats all the way up, but it can be done.


On another note... I think hybrid with caps would be a horrible idea... caps don't hold much energy. an electric motor would drain them too fast for them to be of any use. Honestly, I don't want to see the yaris go hybrid... that'll just raise the cost $5,000 or more. Keep it simple, keep it cheap.

I'd like to see rear disc brakes tho.

[Thirty-Nine]

I'm pretty sure the Yaris will be refreshed/redesigned for 2011.

The 1NZ-FE has had a decent run in the Toyota family. The 1.8 would be great, the 1.3 would be great, too.

[twowheels]

Why the 1.3L, the car would be come rather sluggish and underpowered. Would feel like a smart car.

How so? My 1.5 has far more power than I ever need. It can easily do 90 MPH on the freeway, it will spin the tires if you let the clutch out too fast, and it accelerates up to freeway speed w/o even trying, and I don't even rev it up high... I'd gladly trade some of that wasted power for another 5 MPG.

I recently took a long trip through the mountains with two adults and the rear of the car FULL of luggage and gifts for the people that we'd be visiting (seats folded down and full) and it did just fine except for one extremely steep pass (single lane road kind of steep) where I couldn't go fast enough to get out of second gear, but that was the exception. (btw, I still managed 41 MPG on that tank even after that climb and doing 80 MPH on the flat sections) On one vacation we went out in a Peugeot w/ a 1.3L engine w/ an automatic transmission and drove through the mountains with four adults (one of which was big enough to count as two) and luggage and it did just fine...

[Zaphod]

How so? My 1.5 has far more power than I ever need. It can easily do 90 MPH on the freeway, it will spin the tires if you let the clutch out too fast, and it accelerates up to freeway speed w/o even trying, and I don't even rev it up high... I'd gladly trade some of that wasted power for another 5 MPG.

I recently took a long trip through the mountains with two adults and the rear of the car FULL of luggage and gifts for the people that we'd be visiting (seats folded down and full) and it did just fine except for one extremely steep pass (single lane road kind of steep) where I couldn't go fast enough to get out of second gear, but that was the exception. (btw, I still managed 41 MPG on that tank even after that climb and doing 80 MPH on the flat sections) On one vacation we went out in a Peugeot w/ a 1.3L engine w/ an automatic transmission and drove through the mountains with four adults (one of which was big enough to count as two) and luggage and it did just fine...
I agree with that, 1.3L and a 6 speed would be great!

Of course I wouldn't trade in my 09 for one, but that would having me wishing I'd waited.

[Sabretooth]

I dont think the Yaris will ever see a 6speed manual unless it becomes standard option on almost every car in the market. If they wont opt a 6 speed for a TC, it wont come on a Yaris...plain and simple. Plus, the idea is to keep this the cheapest car that Toyota makes, not slap it with so many options that you could easily buy a Camry for the same price.

[yaris 2sz]

the 1 NR-FE 1.33 has 6 speed manual
http://www.toyota-europe.com/cars/new_cars/yaris/fullspecs.aspx

[voodoo22]

Maybe the new Yaris will go Hybrid or Hydrogen or Sub Atomic :smile:

The 2011 Yaris is going to be all new and based on the iQ platform. It's supposed to be out late 2010 and it is said to have a hybrid variat. The current Yaris is said to be too costly for Toyota to convert to a hybrid as an option.

[scape]

The 2011 Yaris is going to be all new and based on the iQ platform. It's supposed to be out late 2010 and it is said to have a hybrid variat. The current Yaris is said to be too costly for Toyota to convert to a hybrid as an option.

if this is true, i'm not sure there is a way they can stuff a 1.8 in the iQ chassis, I just don't think it's designed for such large amount of weight up front. so perhaps the 1.3l + hybrid will become popular?

[Lazerdot]

Does anyone know the life of the average battery in a Hybrid? If they have a say 7 year life span, what is done to re-equip the car, or dispose of the batteries? I like the hybrid ideas in general better then pure electric, a diesel electric hybrid would seem to be the best till Hydrogen really becomes a usable and convenient fuel. A diesel Yaris? Too much mulla I supose.

[roxy1]

what id really love is the 1.3, 5 speed manual would work fine with just a slight tweek to make the final gear a bit higher, then an option where there is no back seat, just a lower floored cargo area. keep the weight down to 2200 lbs and i think we'd be looking at epa 32/42 or better.(which under current testing methods would be very good). kind of like the old honda crx but with more room.

[Thirty-Nine]

How so? My 1.5 has far more power than I ever need. It can easily do 90 MPH on the freeway, it will spin the tires if you let the clutch out too fast, and it accelerates up to freeway speed w/o even trying, and I don't even rev it up high... I'd gladly trade some of that wasted power for another 5 MPG.

I agree. At least having a 1.3 option would be nice. I'd love to see some smaller engine options out there. Not everyone is looking for speed and performance. Although, I'd imagine a 1.3 might be a tough sell to Americans. The last car (sans the Smart) to come with such a small engine would've been the Suzuki Swift/Chevrolet Metro.

However, in the 1980s, there were cars with tiny, fuel-efficient engines that got 45+ MPG. Hybrid Shmybrid!

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

2010 PRIUS has a 1.8 in it now so maybe the idea of that motor isn't too far off...

[marcus]

here.. 2011 assumption.

[eTiMaGo]

don't forget there's also a 1.6L 3ZR-FE engine too, as used in the Yarii in China...

[scape]

here.. 2011 assumption.

mine as well have fit labeled on it, haha

[eTiMaGo]

well... keep an eye on www.toyota.co.jp... it'll be out there before anywhere else...

[Thirty-Nine]

FYI, I wrote an editorial on whether or not Americans will buy small-displacement (e.g. uner 1.5-liter) engines:

http://tinyurl.com/SmallEngines

[Zaphod]

I dont think the Yaris will ever see a 6speed manual unless it becomes standard option on almost every car in the market. If they wont opt a 6 speed for a TC, it wont come on a Yaris...plain and simple. Plus, the idea is to keep this the cheapest car that Toyota makes, not slap it with so many options that you could easily buy a Camry for the same price.
I agree with that premise. It is the cost of ownership and efficiency are the main selling points of the Yaris.

I just don't understand how a 6 speed manual gearbox would be a more expensive option than that of a hydraulic transmission.