instrument cluster-TACH "S" model

[Lewis]

A humorous situation exists IMO regarding the Instrument cluster on the 2009 models that happens when marketing, not engineering drives product- a noted Toyota foible.

You can only get a tachometer in your OEM instrument cluster (persumably because it's the better grade car) on the S model.

The problem is that the S model now only is available (per the Toyota website) on the 5 door hatchback which itself only comes with an automatic.

Sooooooooooo........if you have a manual transmission - where you could use the tach- you can't get a tach- but if you spring for the S model- you get a tach - which is essentially useless- because it only comes with an automatic transmission!

I discovered this silly situation when I attempted to buy the cluster from the 2009 S from the dealer and discovered the cluster would only be compatible with an automatic transmission Yaris!

Great judgement marketing department!!!!!!!!!:iono::confused:

[90tsi]

there r a few guys on with US 3dr S models. if I remember they r 5speeds. this is covered somewhere else in another thread someone ordered one so check plug n play compatibilty.

[Lewis]

they were before the ABS symbol was added

would never want to lose THAT

[chibipod]

My '09 "S" manual trans (3dr) came with a tach + ABS. Gotta think the cluster's swappable...

[chibipod]

Hey - you're right. Just checked the Toyota site and you can't configure a 3dr "S" MT. Dropped? I love my car even more now.:smile:

[mikenacarato]

i put the s cluster in my 09 3dr liftback. easy as pie, just needs the correct miles programmed on it.

[MGargano]

i put the s cluster in my 09 3dr liftback. easy as pie, just needs the correct miles programmed on it.

If I can ask, where did you find the 09 "S" cluster, how much did you pay, and how do you get the mileage programmed?

[mikenacarato]

i got it from the dealer and paid 230 (save your breath people i know i can put an aftermarket one in for about $20, i just wanted the oem one), i didnt have it programmed yet and im not sure how much it will cost, and im not too worried about it anyhow.

[RomGrr]

Be sure to save your paperwork. If you ever get accused of odometer fraud you can use your receipts to back up your word.

[MGargano]

i got it from the dealer and paid 230 (save your breath people i know i can put an aftermarket one in for about $20, i just wanted the oem one), i didnt have it programmed yet and im not sure how much it will cost, and im not too worried about it anyhow.

$230 actually doesn't sound so bad. Any chance you have the part number so I can try to find one for myself? Also: 1) Does this work with the MT. 2) Does it have the 2 indicators for cruise control and the one for fog lights?

[mikenacarato]

here is what ive found. all 09s are abs. both auto and manual share the same cluster. they have all the indicators. there are only 2 part numbers for clusters, the regular one and the sports "S" one. the part number is on the box at home but the guy looked it up and said its the sports cluster. i also went through my work and we have a wholesale account with my local toyota so your price may vary.

[Treyz]

Enough talk .. we need the part number lol. I hate not having it.

Then again, I can get a Scangauge too.

[MGargano]

Enough talk .. we need the part number lol. I hate not having it.

Then again, I can get a Scangauge too.

I have the Scangauge II and an aftermarket tach, but I'd much rather have an OEM cluster with the tach... much neater looking

[mikenacarato]

thats the reason i ditched my aftermarket tach. ths oem one looks like its meant to be there!

[mikenacarato]

here is the Toyota part number for the 09 "S" cluster
TOY83800-52N71

[MGargano]

$352.69 from TRDSparks

http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=searchCatalogOEM&siteid=214631

[MGargano]

Lowest I found was $344.91 here:

http://shoptrd.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=searchCatalogOEM&siteid=213860

[mikenacarato]

im sorry, my dyslexia kicked in, i paid 320 for it not 230. lol

[MGargano]

lol damn! I was just about to beg for a hookup at wholesale cost! :laugh:

[MGargano]

PS- The shipping on this thing is CRAZY! $35.00? Really? The thing weighs like 3 pounds.

[mikenacarato]

ya the box isnt that big either. lol

[Revsson]

im sorry, my dyslexia kicked in, i paid 320 for it not 230. lol

Too much Mountain Dew?? :tongue:

[blacksandiegovitz]

I feel lucky I got an 08' with the tach/orange backlighting and all black interior Ftw !

[YaYa1320]

Will this work in a '07 MT liftback also? I thought I read awhile back that it would not???

[mikenacarato]

all i know is it works for my 09. ill let the people with the 97s answer that.

[WolfWings]

I'll check later today and gank my friend's '09 cluster from his 3-door non-S MT, try it in my '07 3-door non-S MT. If that swap works, then the '09 S swap should work too.

Yay for infecting friends with the Yaris bug and them buying newer ones than I did!

[Revsson]

Maybe I missed it, but does the programming for the odometer come from the car's
computer or is it in the gauge cluster itself? I could have sworn I read another post
about this, but couldn't find it. :iono:

[mikenacarato]

the miles are stored in the cluster. someone at toyota is going to have to plug up to it and change the miles. on the older yarii you have to consider that they came with or without abs too. if you have a non abs car and you put an 09 cluster in you abs light will stay lit up. also i believe the AT and MT cars do not share the same cluster either...so really there are 4 different clusters for the older ones.

[MGargano]

**Update**

TRDSparks will not sell this part without first receiving VIN#, current mileage, name, address, etc. Apparently they can send the cluster and all vehicle info to Toyota so the cluster can be programmed with the correct mileage before being shipped to the customer. Since this part is made for the "S", Toyota will not approve of its installation in any other model/year Yaris, according to TRDSparks.

[MGargano]

^^^ Same with ShopTRD.com, who said the part is on back-order and didn't expect to receive it any time soon. I was able to get them down to $15.00 shipping though, but they still require all VIN and vehicle information prior to sale.

[mikenacarato]

lol how the hell did i get by with this?

[kustom play]

im going to shoot an email over to my guy who gets me insane prices on OEM toyota stuff

worst case head down to the dealer and copy an 08 vin# and see if it works?

[MGargano]

im going to shoot an email over to my guy who gets me insane prices on OEM toyota stuff

worst case head down to the dealer and copy an 08 vin# and see if it works?

I'm not sure it's as simple as that. They seem to be pretty strict about the potential for odometer fraud. Looks like mikencarato got lucky! Also, my local dealer wanted $520.00 + tax.

[YaYa1320]

Wolf, if you do that and it actually works, Lemme know!!! :thumbup:

[Sodium Duck]

^+1

[MGargano]

Anyone out there with a hookup for OEM parts that can get around Toyota's strict odometer regulations?

I ordered one of these online from TRDSparks, just to see what would happen, and the order was canceled in about 15 minutes after they learned from Toyota that the car had to physically be present and a bunch of paperwork filled out to verify mileage, VIN, etc.

Apparently, ordering a new cluster online is not an option (since the company you order from has to, in turn, order the part from Toyota), which sucks since the dealers want about $520 to order from them directly and you can find it online for $340 or so.

[RomGrr]

Junkyard, but I doubt they're plentiful yet.

[Jeemee]

I have found numerous 08 manual gauge clusters with tachs on eBay. Some of you may wanna check there too.

[MGargano]

^^ I'm not sure if those work with the 09s though. For the amount of money is costs, I'd rather be certain it works for my car.

[MGargano]

Junkyard, but I doubt they're plentiful yet.

You'd be surprised! I found and ordered one for $225 shipped with 1,000 miles on it! :headbang: :thumbup: :burnrubber:

[WolfWings]

VERIFIED!

Swapped an '09 non-S MT w/ ABS cluster into my '07 MT *WITHOUT ABS: Gauge worked just fine, indicators were correct. *NO* ABS light either, no issues.

Didn't take pictures, didn't have a camera with me, and literally took all of five minutes to do the test on my friend's lunch break (literally... he was eating the sandwich out in the parking lot at work while I did the test) so I can verify, for a fact, the gauge cluster for Liftbacks is compatable from '09 back to '07, so no reason the '08 clusters wouldn't work too.

But yes, if you want the amber/red/gold look instead of the overly-blinding white/blue stuff, you can install an '09 into prior years without issue. Now... to track down an '09 S-model instrument cluster...

[Sodium Duck]

Wow, this is great!

[Lewis]

this seems to be a tough nut to crack ;-(

[TheRealEnth]

so your saying automatics can easily swap for a cluster with a tach in it?

[WolfWings]

Long story short: You can freely swap clusters between *LIFTBACK* Yaris models, from the 2009 S-model all the way back to the 2007 stripper-model.

Previous folks verified that you can swap the cluster from a 2009 S-model liftback into a 2009 Manual non-S liftback. The S-model is an automatic, so that verifies Automatic/Manual swappability.

I just verified that you can swap a 2009 MT non-S liftback w/ ABS cluster into a 2007 MT non-S liftback *WITHOUT* ABS, and that still works. This verified being able to swap a cluster with ABS hookups into a vehicle without ABS, without causing an ABS alert. It also verified that the red/amber clusters in 2009's are interchangeable with the blue/white clusters from 2007's and 2008's.

Combine these two, and you can freely interchange basically all United States Liftback Yaris clusters. The connectors are the same, and 'extra' indicators don't appear to default to a fault state, they simply read 'no such device' and stay shut off.

The obstacle is this: Toyota requires a VIN and current-odometer reading to ship a new cluster out, due to fears of odometer fraud because by default the cluster stores it's own copy of the odometer. The ECU also stores a copy, but the ECU can't over-ride the cluster without Toyota plugging their 'magic cables' in to re-sync them.

Getting 2009 S-model clusters is the best bet for adding an OEM-style tachometer to earlier Yaris Liftbacks. Someone'll need to approach Toyota more directly than at the dealership level most likely it looks like to get these parts for those of us that want to do the upgrade, myself included.

[RacerFreakXXX]

I tried searching for the 09 s gauge cluster and the part # didn't work. What's the deal with that?

[watersoilair]

In all my life I have never driven a manual transmission without a tach. Shame on Toyota for not including a tach. My 08 3dr MT base model came with a tach. Maybe that's because I'm in Canada??

[MGargano]

To all those interested in swapping for an 09 "S" gauge cluster: go to Google and type in 'junk yards'. Most of the websites that are listed will have a form where you can input all the info for the part you're looking for. Be sure to specify '2009' and 'S' so you don't get stuck with an 06 cluster with no tach. Most of the junk yards responded to my parts request in less than 24 hours, either by phone or email.

Nearly every junk yard I contacted by phone and/or email had at least one of these clusters in stock for purchase and none were more than $300.

Good luck!

[kustom play]

im going to see if my contact can order these in

if i can get some new from toyota would anybody be interested in a group buy?

i dont know if he'll be able to do it but i'll see

[mrbond]

I just received a tach gauge cluster today from a CDM 2006 automatic model. My car is a manual, fyi. Plugged it in today and it worked without any problems. The mileage wasn't updated, but whatever. No lights came on, and there were no other problems. Not bad for $110 shipped!

[kac]

not bad at all for $70. good find!

[WolfWings]

Another side-effect of swapping to the '09 S-model cluster: That one has a Cruise light since the S-model also forces you to get all the power-crap IIRC.

So anyone retrofitting 'factory' cruise to their '07 or '08 may be able to get the dash-light with this swap as well. As I'm going to be 'migrating' the cruise-control stalk and what-not from my friend's '09 to my '07, I'll swap the cluster when I do that and update folks on how that works as well.

[Sodium Duck]

Yes, please keep us updated on that project - make a new thread for it, that would push me over the edge into buying a new cluster and cruise control kit.

[Klink10]

Interested also as long as it is plug and play.

[kustom play]

I just received a tach gauge cluster today from a CDM 2006 automatic model. My car is a manual, fyi. Plugged it in today and it worked without any problems. The mileage wasn't updated, but whatever. No lights came on, and there were no other problems. Not bad for $70 shipped!

yea i see those all the time on ebay

only thing is I dont want to be driving around in KM

[mrbond]

lol there's the MPH reading right under the KPH reading. Took me a couple of hours to learn where to look. No biggie.

[Revsson]

I don't know if I am ambitious enough to do a IP cluster swap, but I had a lead on one
at a scrap yard in the state. Just checked online, and it's not listed anymore.
Maybe someone from here grabbed it?? :mad:
I didn't even get a chance to call on what the price would be.

[WolfWings]

Swapping the cluster is literally a five-minute job. You only need a philips screwdriver to do it.

You pull off the two pieces of side-trim on either side of the radio, pull the trim from the cluster (forward towards the radio, not up) then unscrew two screws. Lift and slide the whole cluster out, unplug the two cables.

Reinstall the reverse: Plug cables in, slide into place, put screws back in, clip the bezels/trim back in place, done.

It's easier to do this than to put your spare tire on or change your own oil. :w00t: And it's 100% plug-and-play across Liftback models.

Hell, I'll be frank: This is as fast if not faster than taking the radio out, I'm surprised crooks aren't smash-and-grabbing them since there's nothing stopping it as far as I can tell.

[slothman86]

just take the ABS LED out!...maybe?

[WolfWings]

just take the ABS LED out!...maybe?

Um... why? It stays off on it's own if you don't have ABS, I had no ABS light turn on when I had my friend's ABS-equipped 2009-era cluster in my 2007-era Yaris.

The instrument cluster is a very DUMB device, it's just reading information and displaying it. It (except for the clock and odometer) has zero storage ability itself apparently.

[RacerFreakXXX]

can anyone get the 09 S cluster for less than $360 shipped? I was quoted $360 on 09 Yaris S gauge cluster with tach (part toy83800-52N71) with 10% off dealer invoice, still feel high.

[birdman]

Wait a while and they're sure to be available from wrecking yards.

[MGargano]

can anyone get the 09 S cluster for less than $360 shipped? I was quoted $360 on 09 Yaris S gauge cluster with tach (part toy83800-52N71) with 10% off dealer invoice, still feel high.

Got mine back in July for $225 shipped from yard4.com (http://yard4.com/). It only had 1,113 miles on it and was in mint condition.

[MGargano]

can anyone get the 09 S cluster for less than $360 shipped? I was quoted $360 on 09 Yaris S gauge cluster with tach (part toy83800-52N71) with 10% off dealer invoice, still feel high.

PS- $360 from the dealer is a great deal. Mine wanted over $500 and wouldn't sell it without having the car present to verify mileage.

[RacerFreakXXX]

lol... well i work at the dealership, I know the regular price is that high I just know 6 months ago you could get them for almost $300. However, I already just bought a autometer tach for $80 shipped from summit.

[birdman]

I got my Autometer from Jeggs for a bit less.