US Yaris: Adding a tach?

[Thirty-Nine]

The fact that the US-spec Yaris isn't available with a tach makes me want to pound my head into my desk and say, "What the heck were you thinking?"

However, knowing this won't solve anything, are there options for installing a tach? What about swapping the gauge cluster from the sedan?

Does anyone have any ideas?

(Hopefully the 2008s will come with a tach, at least as an option)

[Idjiit]

Actually, the Power Package Lifback Yarii I've seen in the Toyota system indicate they're coming with a Tach. Whether they actually will or not remains to be seen since there's a lot of contradictions on what the Toyota website says is supposed be in each package and what's on the shipping lists.

[DJ_SpaRky]

Actually, the Power Package Lifback Yarii I've seen in the Toyota system indicate they're coming with a Tach. Whether they actually will or not remains to be seen since there's a lot of contradictions on what the Toyota website says is supposed be in each package and what's on the shipping lists.

ORLY? I might have to splurge.

[jdgriswald]

Actually, the Power Package Lifback Yarii I've seen in the Toyota system indicate they're coming with a Tach. Whether they actually will or not remains to be seen since there's a lot of contradictions on what the Toyota website says is supposed be in each package and what's on the shipping lists.

There will be no tach available according to Toyota customer service. The build your Toyota site is real general, and to this point still pretty screwed up.

[Idjiit]

I was referring to the site you can go to and actually look at the vehicles that Toyota currently has in the system shipping to the US...

http://www.buyatoyota.com/

The tach is indicated on there for the PP Liftbacks. It may well be a mistake, we'll have to see. When I called my dealer they said that the equipment listing on there should be accurate since it's coming directly from the horse's mouth, but I remain skeptical.

EDIT: For what it's worth, the interior photos of the PP Liftback don't show a tach, so, again... I think it's probably a mistake, but it remains to be seen.

[why?]

Actually, the Power Package Lifback Yarii I've seen in the Toyota system indicate they're coming with a Tach. Whether they actually will or not remains to be seen since there's a lot of contradictions on what the Toyota website says is supposed be in each package and what's on the shipping lists.

Where can you check what they are getting in?

My salesperson is being a pain in the ass, and I'd love to see this info.

I was referring to the site you can go to and actually look at the vehicles that Toyota currently has in the system shipping to the US...

http://www.buyatoyota.com/

The tach is indicated on there for the PP Liftbacks. It may well be a mistake, we'll have to see. When I called my dealer they said that the equipment listing on there should be accurate since it's coming directly from the horse's mouth, but I remain skeptical.

EDIT: For what it's worth, the interior photos of the PP Liftback don't show a tach, so, again... I think it's probably a mistake, but it remains to be seen.

LOL, I missed this, how do you do it?

I go to that address and just get the silly price quote.

[Idjiit]

Well, unfortunately it looks like the systems are different across the US. If I put in "27540" for my ZipCode I can look at unclaimed stock for the SouthEast United States. You may not be able to search in your area.

[Idjiit]

To clarify, this isn't all the stock your dealer is getting in. For instance, if you look at 27540 and Fred Anderson in Raleigh, you're not going to see my Yaris since I've already put a down payment on it. As I understand it, this will only tell you cars that are still available.

[why?]

Ah yes, SE Toyota is actually wholly owned by a seperate company.

lol, when I check it only sedans show up.

[Idjiit]

Back on topic... Does anyone know of a company that makes a tachometer that's more of a "strip" than a dial? I'm thinking like this brake light system, but a tach...

http://www.readybrake.com/images/wirelessdashlightDL200.jpg

I don't want a big ole honkin' aftermarket dial, but I do want to know my shift point when I've got the stereo up too loud. ;)

[birdy]

Back on topic... Does anyone know of a company that makes a tachometer that's more of a "strip" than a dial? I'm thinking like this brake light system, but a tach...

http://www.readybrake.com/images/wirelessdashlightDL200.jpg

I don't want a big ole honkin' aftermarket dial, but I do want to know my shift point when I've got the stereo up too loud. ;)
autometer makes a nice 3 inch tach, thats not honkin

[Idjiit]

I simply don't want a gauge, that's the problem. Even just a single LED I could pop through a hole drilled in the compartment above the steering wheel and set at 5K or whatever would be fine. May have to just make something myself.

[Idjiit]

Probably start out with something like this and adapt it...

http://www.ford-capri.fsnet.co.uk/whiterose/led_rev_counter.htm

[Thirty-Nine]

Not to go too tangental, but does anyone know why a tach isn't available? It it supposed to be a cost-savings, no-frills kinda thing? It just doesn't make any sense to me why the sedans can get them, but the liftback can't. Granted, Toyota isn't the first company to such nonsense — Honda's 1996-2000 Civic hatchbacks never had a tach option, either.

[DJ_SpaRky]

When I got to BuyAToyota.com I cannot choose a Liftback, it only has Sedans, CE & S, WTF?

[Idjiit]

Yeah, it's weird for the SE. You have to actually click on on the CE Sedans to see whether they're Sedans or Liftbacks by looking at the photo. Lame.

[jdgriswald]

The tach is indicated on there for the PP Liftbacks. It may well be a mistake, we'll have to see. When I called my dealer they said that the equipment listing on there should be accurate since it's coming directly from the horse's mouth, but I remain skeptical.
Have you checked the info posted in the tech section? Specifically: 194

Consider who's assuring you anything is accurate. Dealers are more likely to be known as the other end of the horse.

As far as another option, you could try the French version:
196

Not to go too tangental, but does anyone know why a tach isn't available? It it supposed to be a cost-savings, no-frills kinda thing? It just doesn't make any sense to me why the sedans can get them, but the liftback can't. Granted, Toyota isn't the first company to such nonsense — Honda's 1996-2000 Civic hatchbacks never had a tach option, either.

It's probably the same reason we don't get the 5-door. They don't want to compete with the xA. Push it as a no-frills econo car and avoid being hip. Don't want to overlap marketing strategies.

[Idjiit]

Again, I think you're probably right but until the cars start arriving I'll still have my fingers crossed. ;)

[jdgriswald]

Frankly, I'm just annoyed at Toyota. Been waiting for the Yaris since it's release as the new Vitz in Feb of last year. The fact that we get the watered down version to protect the 5-year old design of the xA is just ludicrous. If I could have bought one in Canada without the hassles, I would have. Hopefully we see some of these changes (tach, 5-door, etc.) once the Fit makes it's mark.

[Idjiit]

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. But at the same time it's nice to have the option of a totally stripped down version for $11K - I probably wouldn't even be looking at the Yaris if it was a $15K car.

Hopefully they'll just can the xA at some point at give us the 5-door Yaris - it seems like the xB and tC do better here anyway. I think if the Yaris does as well as I suspect it will, we'll see better trim levels on the lots as well as the 5-door.

[as400g33k]

you guys may want to hook up with birdy... he's got projects lined up for the yaris. check his shout out here (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197).

[as400g33k]

here's his post about making a tacho...

if you guys want me to make a quality tach that mounts behind the steering wheel (like the john cooper works mini cooper) I prolly can. I've fabricated lots of stuff.

made on this thread (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10&page=6).

[DJ_SpaRky]

Yeah, it's weird for the SE. You have to actually click on on the CE Sedans to see whether they're Sedans or Liftbacks by looking at the photo. Lame.

Thanks for the tip, it works & I found one, it'll be here in 2 weeks.

Also, it says with the Power Package that you get a tach & some trim.

http://www.setbuyatoyota.com/inventory/vehicleDetailPrint.aspx?dealerid=59&associatePricingFlag=False§ok=&inventoryId=1355995&purchaseTerm=60&leaseTerm=48&purchaseDownPayment=5.0%&leaseDownPayment=5.0%&leaseIncentive=-1&purchaseIncentive=-1

[Idjiit]

Yeah, I think it's a safe bet at this point that the equipment lists on there are wrong. Most likely the actually equipment corresponds to what's listed on the Toyota website for the Convenience and Power Packages, but we'll have to wait and see.

[cburac]

:thumbup: Hello

For me it's very strange :iono: that a car with US specification , has no tach... for example here in my country (Panamá) my yaris hachtback came with digital speedometer, tach, etc. and I think the sedan also have a tach ..

so.. it's strange but , maybe toyota usa , have a better explanation....:thumbsup:

cheers

carlos:laughabove:

[why?]

:thumbup: Hello

For me it's very strange :iono: that a car with US specification , has no tach... for example here in my country (Panamá) my yaris hachtback came with digital speedometer, tach, etc. and I think the sedan also have a tach ..

so.. it's strange but , maybe toyota usa , have a better explanation....:thumbsup:

cheers

carlos:laughabove:

The only explanation is Toyota USA has its head stuck somewhere is should not be.

[Thirty-Nine]

The only explanation is Toyota USA has its head stuck somewhere is should not be.

Exactly.

I understand the overlap with the xA — fine. However, I will not buy a Yaris liftback unless I can get a tach. Then again, maybe their strategy is working, because if I can't get a tach on the Yaris liftback, I'll be looking at the xA. Maybe that's what they want? However, I'll also be looking at the Fit.

In reality, I don't plan on buying a new car for a couple of years. I just bought my xB in July and my wife's 1998 Civic is still running like a champ. However, it never hurts to have a car in mind in case we need to replace the Civic (or the xB, I guess) due to accidents or if the Civic starts nickel-and-diming us.

[Idjiit]

I wonder how long it will be until we see people making gauge cluster housings to replace the "glove box" above the Yaris' steering wheel:

http://www.swiftbennett.com/images/yaris_interior.jpg

[jdgriswald]

I wonder how long it will be until we see people making gauge cluster housings to replace the "glove box" above the Yaris' steering wheel:
Already been done: (Scroll down a bit) http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146

[Thirty-Nine]

Does anyone know if it'll be possible to swap the liftback's gauge cluster for the sedan's?

[DJ_SpaRky]

Already been done: (Scroll down a bit) http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146


http://trdparts.jp/english/parts_metercover.html

[Idjiit]

Nice. Anyone know if that's actually something you can import? Price?

[Thirty-Nine]

Well, if TRD (in the US) offered a tach, that'd be cool.

[Idjiit]

http://trdparts.jp/english/parts_metercover.html

Looks like that's the last-generation vitz though. May still work, of course.

[vitz377]

if i was a backseat passenger, i'd love the center mounted cluster. but since i actually drive my cars, i'm thinking of making an HUD projector or adding a second cluster from the sedan into a bolt in, or flip up build for the driver side glovebox. the other option is a loud exhaust by which you can shift by ear. conversely on most real race cars, the only important gauge is the oil pressure.
-jason

[DJ_SpaRky]

Looks like that's the last-generation vitz though. May still work, of course.

I noticed that too, I was looking at the pic again & I also didn't se it on the "New Vitz" TRD Page. I might just make one for myself, of course I don't need 3 glove boxes & I don't ride with people in my car. So I'll be looking into making something like that to fit the NCP9x series cars.

[birdy]

you guys just need to wait till I get mine, 3 weeks later I should have them in production.

To bad my dealer only has a sedan so far thats a fully loaded auto.

[why?]

It looks like I won't be getting mine any time soon either. Heck, I might drive down to texas to see how it looks.:tongue:

[Idjiit]

Heh, mine is either going to get here on Friday or Saturday. In any case, it's going to get here right before I have to take a business trip to California, so I won't get to drive it for a week even if it comes on Friday. Argh.

[why?]

Ouch, that is painful.

[Idjiit]

Seriously. I'm crossing my fingers that it gets here Friday so I can get it before I have to drive up to PA for the weekend. That would give me a convenient highway-speed period of about 800 miles in which to break it in. :D

[why?]

Hopefully you do. Just make sure to do your best to annoy everyone else on the roads by not going the same speed so your vehicle breaks in properly.

[RugbyYaris]

I was really on the fence about getting a Fit or a yaris liftback

I overlooked the center mounted gauges, I figure I will get used to them

I overlooked every magazine saying the fit is way more sporty, I like the bulldog look of the yaris and i know i basic suspension mods would transform it.

I can't overlook the car not having a tach though,

way to go toyota.

[Thirty-Nine]

I was really on the fence about getting a Fit or a yaris liftback

I overlooked the center mounted gauges, I figure I will get used to them

I overlooked every magazine saying the fit is way more sporty, I like the bulldog look of the yaris and i know i basic suspension mods would transform it.

I can't overlook the car not having a tach though,

way to go toyota.

I feel the same way.

[Idjiit]

The lack of tach sucks, especially while you're in the break-in period and want to have fun without screwing anything up, but ultimately it's more of an annoyance than anything else. The engine is easily loud enough to tell when you need to shift.

[why?]

Not to mention an aftermarket tach is easily hooked up.

[RugbyYaris]

ya, but they look like crap. Never seen one that I liked. Besides, I dont see an aftermarket tach flowing well with the interior of the yaris.

I may have to just wait and hope the next year model or facelift or whatever comes with a tach.

Beater car time I guess

[why?]

How they look is obviously a matter of personal opinion.

[Thirty-Nine]

Under "spirited" driving, a tach would be of much assistance. Let's hope TRD has an option, or the 2008s have a tach.

[stuffy]

yeah, i only refer to the tach when i'm having some fun, for 99% of driving it is unnecessary,

but how much money is toyota going to save by not including a tach?
and is it worth the lost customers?

the thing that drives me nuts (and i don't want to harp on it too much, but what the hell) is the lack of 60/40 split rear seats except on the rs models,
i almost didn't get the yaris because of that, and i'm sure toyota will definitely lose customers to the honda fit because of a small detail like that.

[Snake]

I ordered an aftermarket tach, whats the big deal they are cheap on ebay, you can find one from $40+, a nice one is about $80

[Thirty-Nine]

The big deal is if I'm buying a new car, I don't want to have to add an aftermarket tachometer. :smile: I want it to come with one. Plus, IMO, I think an aftermarket tach won't look great in the Yaris' interior.

[RugbyYaris]

The big deal is if I'm buying a new car, I don't want to have to add an aftermarket tachometer. :smile: I want it to come with one. Plus, IMO, I think an aftermarket tach won't look great in the Yaris' interior.


yep

[Leenis24]

I'm putting a tach in mine, dont bother me any, i just want a damn tach. My car now doesn't have a tach and i hate it.

[DJ_SpaRky]

I'm thinking about getting a Apex'i RSM (or RSM-GP), because it's so much more than just a Tach.

http://www.apexi-usa.com/product_electronics_detail.asp?id=199&pageNum=1

[why?]

I'm thinking about getting a Apex'i RSM (or RSM-GP), because it's so much more than just a Tach.

http://www.apexi-usa.com/product_electronics_detail.asp?id=199&pageNum=1

That does look good. I am going to get a normal tach, and prolly also a scangauge. (http://www.scangauge.com/)

[birdy]

damn that apexi one is pretty bad ass, do you know what the dimensions are?

[roundysquare]

this may be a crazy thought.....
how hard is it to import a Canadian Yaris into the states? or should the question be why can't we....

Is there a pile of taxes, fees, and not to mention California's stricter emissions standards?

The Canadian LB comes with a tach and the RS trim options and 5 door LB if you prefer it.

[Leenis24]

the only thing about buying a canadian car and brining it over is the fee's, but also the car would be cheaper if you exchanged the currency into candian, you get more for your dollar that way

[jdgriswald]

this may be a crazy thought.....
how hard is it to import a Canadian Yaris into the states? or should the question be why can't we....

Is there a pile of taxes, fees, and not to mention California's stricter emissions standards?

The Canadian LB comes with a tach and the RS trim options and 5 door LB if you prefer it.

1) Toyota Canada won't let dealers sell a new Yaris to Americans (at least they threaten dealers that have dones so in the past)
2) Toyota won't supply certification paperwork for export unless vehicle has been registered for 6 months in Canada.
3) Some suggestion by dealer I spoke to that speedo needs to be changed by Registered Importer. (not sure they even make a U.S. spec speedo with tach)
4) Importer fees of approx $400 (not too bad)
5) 2.5% import duty (not made in North America)
6) High sticker price in Canada + GST/PST (albeit refundable upon export)
7) Lousy exchange rate - 87%
8) Local sales tax upon licensing (in some states)

Yaris RS, B package: $20,105 cdn
Importer 400
Speedo 400
= 20,905 cdn or $18,187 U.S. x 2.5% = $18,264 before any local taxes.

Don't forget, you'd have to pay the GST and PST and then wait for a refund. I found that it really doesn't make sense to pay that much just for 5 doors and a tach.

The good part is that the Yaris qualifies as a ULEV under CARB, so you'd have no problem in California.

I wish it didn't suck this bad, but it does. I would rather have the above car than settle for our watered down 3-door so I'll wait and see what Toyota's reaction to the Fit is going to be.

[roundysquare]

jdgriswald,
Thanks for the detailed reply. I agree, the math doesn't justify it and the US version is more than watered down....it's just down right sad.

I'm gonna go test drive a Fit......

[why?]

Don't turn to the darkside. The fit will corrupt your mind.

[jcove]

jdgriswald,
Thanks for the detailed reply. I agree, the math doesn't justify it and the US version is more than watered down....it's just down right sad.

I'm gonna go test drive a Fit......

I spoke with someone within the automotive industry last week. They told me that if you're going to actually use the cargo space, get a different vehicle. To get the seats to be so moveable, they took about an inch of foam out of the seats. It's ok for short rides maybe, but for the long haul, it's uncomfortable.

Just to clear that up, I haven't tried the fit out myself, just telling you what I heard....

[jcove]

Don't turn to the darkside. The fit will corrupt your mind.

:clap: :thumbsup: :laughabove:

[Ron]

and plus, the fit looks like a suzuki aerio

[stuffy]

i was talking to the smart car dealer here in town, and he was saying that he gets about 2 calls a week from american's interested in the smart car ( i assume it isn't available in the u.s.), but he said that they can only sell them in canada, they can't export them

not sure why, but i'm sure he would like to export 2 a week

[jcove]

i was talking to the smart car dealer here in town, and he was saying that he gets about 2 calls a week from american's interested in the smart car ( i assume it isn't available in the u.s.), but he said that they can only sell them in canada, they can't export them

not sure why, but i'm sure he would like to export 2 a week

I tried the smart and didn't really like it. For what you get it's expensive, gutless and not that much better mileage when you compair the price on the Yaris. It's all personal choice though.

[DJ_SpaRky]

Don't turn to the darkside. The fit will corrupt your mind.

Correction, Honda will corrupt your mind. LOL

[bladesmith6]

Ok, people FOCUS. The main question that needs to be answered, especially by someone who works for or has friends at a dealership, is: Can we get the sedan gauge cluster and swap it into the liftback? or did toyota pull another one of its weird switcharoos and change the wiring harness? Please look into this as the interest is obviously very high.

[jah]

Here is a cool "gadget" that includes the tach:
http://www.aimsports.com/products/m3-gold-auto/index.html
Pricy but it has a G-meter in it :w00t:
About the Fit, my boss's Boss is looking at Honda's, so he used the online tool to compare the Civic, Fit, and Accord. The Fit vs Civic really suprised me, the Civic has more horsepower, gets better gas milage, and has more internal passanger seating room.
Hopefully TRD will do something the fits the Yaris that looks OEM, if not I am proably gonna go the PDA route running a OBDII scan-tool:
http://www.autoenginuity.com/products-scantoolppc.html

[Leenis24]

i plan on getting a Gtech pro anyway, that way i have a tach, 0-60, 1/4 mile, HP and Tourqe readings, g-forces, and all the good stuff. The base Gtech is about $200 and the pricy one is $300. I'll probly look for one on ebay for cheaper.

[why?]

the tach I am having installed:

http://images6.theimagehosting.com/tach.d70.jpg (http://www.theimagehosting.com)

Note that I am not getting the shift light.

Speaking of tachs, what is the redling of the Yaris? I can't seem to find that info anywhere.

[w1ngzer0]

Have you checked the info posted in the tech section? Specifically: 194

Consider who's assuring you anything is accurate. Dealers are more likely to be known as the other end of the horse.

As far as another option, you could try the French version:
196



It's probably the same reason we don't get the 5-door. They don't want to compete with the xA. Push it as a no-frills econo car and avoid being hip. Don't want to overlap marketing strategies.

Sounds like a possible future mod. :clap: though the km/h wouldn't work for me.... :(

[Snake]

rev limiter is probaby at about 6400-6700 not sure exactly

[Idjiit]

rev limiter is probaby at about 6400-6700 not sure exactly

I'm not sure there is one. During this weekend's RallyCross I was revving really high and don't feel like I hit a rev limiter at any point. Of course, it's hard to know without a tach, but my gut says that there isn't one.

[hhcchen]

rev limiter is probaby at about 6400-6700 not sure exactly
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=109&stc=1&d=1139077578
http://toyota.jp/vitz/interior/index.html
:iono:

[why?]

lol, that is interesting.

Still, I am sure there must be some smart rev limit. 6500 or so does sound like a normal rpm limit, but it should be written somewhere.

I am sure one of our Candian friends could tell us what the tach on their cars says the limit is.

that pic makes it look like it is barely over 6k.

[jdgriswald]

lol, that is interesting.

Still, I am sure there must be some smart rev limit. 6500 or so does sound like a normal rpm limit, but it should be written somewhere.

I am sure one of our Candian friends could tell us what the tach on their cars says the limit is.

that pic makes it look like it is barely over 6k.
On the spec sheet pdfs it looks like it's 64/6500.

[why?]

Which one is it on? I thought I looked through most of them and I didn't see it anywhere.

So 6400, not too bad. The odds of me revving that high are rather slim anyways, lol.

[Idjiit]

So 6400, not too bad. The odds of me revving that high are rather slim anyways, lol.

Then why bother, man? To be honest, I think the lack of tach is overrated. Didn't stop me from having fun racing - in that case you have to go off feel anyway, there's no time to look at a tach. An aftermarket unit is always going to look out of place. At this point I think I'm going to just skip it.

[pxpaulx]

my first car was a 99 civic hatch w/out a tach. i got used to it - and it was the first manual car i'd ever driven too! i think if i were to get a tach installed in the liftback (which i can't wait to get), i would integrate it into the dash, like make some kind of moulding to set into the driver's side glove box. that way it would stand up or stick out, but would still be in a high visibility place for viewing. that being said, i can say that living without a tach is alright, but i think the entire time i drove my civic, i drove revving too high (had it for 160000+kms) because i thought you had to hear the engine to be in the right gear. i don't think i was totally right! that car still got awesome mileage (best tank ever was 660km, sault saint marie, michigan to newmarket, ontario - it never took more than 8 gallons of gas either). i'm looking forward to more of that with the yaris!

[jdgriswald]

Which one is it on? I thought I looked through most of them and I didn't see it anywhere.

So 6400, not too bad. The odds of me revving that high are rather slim anyways, lol.

Page BE-16 of Body Electrical. Zoom in on the RS.

Or our Canadian friends could speak up?.....

[Doorstopdriver]

For those that might still be interested in an unobtrusive tachometer, I haven't seen anyone post this so I figured I'd throw it up as an option.

http://www.defi-shop.com/product/basis/basis_top.html

The reflective patch is really only about the size of an inspection sticker and doesn't scream Boy-Racer.

[why?]

Then why bother, man? To be honest, I think the lack of tach is overrated. Didn't stop me from having fun racing - in that case you have to go off feel anyway, there's no time to look at a tach. An aftermarket unit is always going to look out of place. At this point I think I'm going to just skip it.

I need a tach. I use it too much not to have one. Not having one is driving me crazy. For one thing, I know it would help my stalling problem. It will also help me figure out the break in stuff.

In my Saab I look at the tach much more than I look at the speedometer. I could literally take out the speedometer and I wouldn't miss it.

[Idjiit]

I need a tach. I use it too much not to have one. Not having one is driving me crazy. For one thing, I know it would help my stalling problem. It will also help me figure out the break in stuff.

Turn down the stereo or get a louder muffler. ;)

[why?]

Turn down the stereo or get a louder muffler. ;)

lol, not quite the same thing.

[Thirty-Nine]

I look at the tach much more than I look at the speedometer. I could literally take out the speedometer and I wouldn't miss it.

Ditto.

I believe the USDM Yaris is the only one not to offer a tach. I checked Japan, Mexico, Canada, UK and Austrailia, and they all offer this gauge.

Hello? Toyota? Are you listening?

[Idjiit]

I can see how having a tach would be great in a car like a VW or BMW, or even the upper end Lexus cars where you're fairly disconnected from the motor/transmission through sound and vibration dampening. But the Yaris is such an incredibly "raw" experience in comparison that I can intuit everything on feel and sound alone at this point.

EDIT: I guess it helps that I typically wear Converse when I drive stick, so I'm basically getting maximum input.

[bikergal]

Well.. my truck is standard and I am used to checking on the tach :wink:

I think it will be odd not having a tach for a standard vehicle. Not sure what Toyota is thinking :confused:

*shrugs*

[why?]

Feeling a car doesn't give you the exact rpm's, and you can't know what an engine sounds like at any rpm's unless you've heard the engine and seen what rpm's it is running at that time.

[Idjiit]

Feeling a car doesn't give you the exact rpm's, and you can't know what an engine sounds like at any rpm's unless you've heard the engine and seen what rpm's it is running at that time.

RPMs are RPMs, regardless of the vehicle. I guess I'm tuned into that from being a musician/audio guy for so long. You can feel the frequency of a string vibrating and know the note without technically "hearing" it.

But yeah, having a tach to begin with would help you learn that.

[bikergal]

Why have to guess the RPM's?? You should be able to check your gauges for that? Oh wait... Toyota didn't add that feature :thumbdown:

That was one way not to cut corners with this car or any car for that matter......

[spacemanoeuvres]

I've been agonizing over where to install a tach w/o screwing up the aesthetics of the dash.

So, I says to myself...I says "why not install the tach in the driver's side glove box?"

It would be cool to have a hidden tach. You hop in, prop open the glovebox and voilà! there she is!

When you park you close the glove box and the dash looks normal, nice!

What do you guys think?

I mean, I don't have mine yet (still have 3 weeks to go) so I don't even know if the glove box would stay open :laugh:

Any feedback is greatly appreciated :thumbsup:

[why?]

RPMs are RPMs, regardless of the vehicle. I guess I'm tuned into that from being a musician/audio guy for so long. You can feel the frequency of a string vibrating and know the note without technically "hearing" it.

But yeah, having a tach to begin with would help you learn that.

While that is true, different cars sound different. The Yaris is so quiet it is tough to hear the engine while it is idling. I'm not use to cars with such small engines either. The 2.3 Turbo in my Saab is much easier to hear.

I am sure I will get used to the sound, but a tach will help.

I've been agonizing over where to install a tach w/o screwing up the aesthetics of the dash.

So, I says to myself...I says "why not install the tach in the driver's side glove box?"

It would be cool to have a hidden tach. You hop in, prop open the glovebox and voilà! there she is!

When you park you close the glove box and the dash looks normal, nice!

What do you guys think?

I mean, I don't have mine yet (still have 3 weeks to go) so I don't even know if the glove box would stay open :laugh:

Any feedback is greatly appreciated :thumbsup:

It is prolly possible to do, but the open glove box might block some visibility of the road.

The glove box would stay open.

[Thirty-Nine]

Does anyone know for sure whether or not the Yaris S gauge cluster will work in a liftback?

[bladesmith6]

exactly Thirty-nine, I have asked this before. Let me add some umph to it, will someone for the love of god or whatever your chosen diety is, find out if the sedan gauge cluster will swap in. I don't want some fancy g-force gauge, I don't care for the huge drag racing tachs other people are talking about. I just to know about a simple OEM gauge swap, THAT'S ALL!!!!!!!!! Ok?

[why?]

Why don't you go ask someone?

A mechanic, for starters. Maybe a toyota tech might know.

It is doubtful that anyone will know this early into the product cycle. The car has been out only about 2 months. That isn't enough time for wrecked sedans to build up enough for anyone to try the swap.

[Packy]

I believe someone already mentioned this, but that the Canadian liftback has a tach. Maybe the center console could be purchased from a Toyota Canada parts supplier?

http://www.canadiandriver.com/overviews/2006/toyota/images/06yaris_3.jpg

[derekjd]

I verified with 1800 GO TOYOTA (800 468 69682) and the online specialist that the wiring in the lift back is the same as in the sedan, hence the guages from a sedan could be swapped into a liftback (assumption on size)... Unfortunately, I have not seen the LB in person, even though I'm getting mine in 2 weeks, and have only driven the sedan manual once... In any event it should be easy to add a third party tach if the wiring is available, has anyone done this as of yet?


Derek

[Thirty-Nine]

Hmmm ... I wonder how much it'd be to buy a Yaris S gauge cluster? Next time someone is at the dealership, they should look into it. I'd bet it's very expensive.

[why?]

I verified with 1800 GO TOYOTA (800 468 69682) and the online specialist that the wiring in the lift back is the same as in the sedan, hence the guages from a sedan could be swapped into a liftback (assumption on size)... Unfortunately, I have not seen the LB in person, even though I'm getting mine in 2 weeks, and have only driven the sedan manual once... In any event it should be easy to add a third party tach if the wiring is available, has anyone done this as of yet?


Derek

My tach is being done now. It should be done in a day or two.

[bladesmith6]

Ok, I called the local dealer today and was told exactly the opposite. The sedan and LB wiring harnesses are differernt. Also there were no less than 7 different part #'s for the sedan gauge cluster, so unless you get exactly the same options as the sedan (ABS, power windows, etc...) the wiring and signal units probably won't work. I'm no expert at electronics but the OEM swap is sounding like a LOT more trouble than it is worth. One other point, the cheapest sedan cluster was around $500 US and the rest were $600 or more, so I guess I'm going to have to start a search for a tach that is as close to the color and style of the stock speedo as I can find and fab a fiberglasspod to blend into the dashboard, was thinking about cast plastic too maybe.... BY the way all this research was sparked by the fact that I got my Blazing Blue LB on saturday, had to drive 2-1/2 hrs to maryland and I'll have to get inspection and reregister in PA as soon a Cert of Origin arrives, but I think it's worth it. 10 dealers in PA and no one could get me what I wanted, finally found it on my own. If you want something done right do it yourself...

[Jem_hadar]

I believe someone already mentioned this, but that the Canadian liftback has a tach. Maybe the center console could be purchased from a Toyota Canada parts supplier?

http://www.canadiandriver.com/overviews/2006/toyota/images/06yaris_3.jpg

Oh the RS! Thats a damn fine looking interior if you ask me! :cool:

Fuck eh, I love my Yari's inside! :drool: :drool:

Hjaha

Jem

[spacemanoeuvres]

Does anyone have pics of their installed aftermarket tach?

I'm curious as to where people are puting them.

I saw a mini cooper over the weekend and it had, what seemed like, a massive tach right behind the steering wheel.

I have to say it looked pretty cool, so I'll probably do something similar.

Also, what do people think of digital tachs?

My buddy keeps telling me to get an Auto Meter, but I was thinking about a Nordskog Digital Tach (image attached...hopefully)

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/nrd-m9001-bs_cp.jpg

Thanks in advace!

[Jem_hadar]

Does anyone have pics of their installed

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/nrd-m9001-bs_cp.jpg



I think the digital tach is hotter and way more stylish... from an aesthetic point of view

Im not a fan of sticking an extra gadget anywhere on the car though... but if I was going to, i almost for sure go digital!

Jem

[why?]

I have an analog tach on my yaris. It is mounted, but it isn't connected quite yet.

I'll take a pic of mine with my phone cam.

[h-dogg]

yeah, i'm new and thinking of purchasing a daily driver. the only thing that deters me from picking the hatch up is the missing tach. even my old beater, starlet had a tach. i guess i'll have to look into the fit.

[spacemanoeuvres]

I think the digital tach is hotter and way more stylish... from an aesthetic point of view

Im not a fan of sticking an extra gadget anywhere on the car though... but if I was going to, i almost for sure go digital!

Jem

Yeah, I want to go digital but I'd like to see one in action first.

Here's a pic of the mini cooper tach I was talking about

http://a137.g.akamai.net/n/137/3538/20020809201042/www.cars.com/features/mvp/mini/cooper/images/tachometer1.jpg

pretty cool
:burnrubber:

[chuchu]

Interesting thread. I wonder if another approach to adding a tach might be through mounting an aftermarket heads up display near the windshield. This may (or may not) yield a cleaner look than a traditional tach.

Here's an example:

http://www.wac.addr.com/auto/obs/hud/hud.html
http://www.wac.addr.com/auto/obs/hud/cockpit.jpg

[Snake]

installed my tach on wednesday, works just fine
rev limiter is at 6400 for you guys that were wondering
atleast now I know when to shift the damn thing
everyone should do this mod, its a must for the 5spds

[Idjiit]

Again, I still think it's much ado about nothing. Yesterday was the first time I hit the rev limiter and I'm a pretty aggressive driver. You'd really have to thrash the shit out of a Yaris to do any damage to it, tach or no tach.

[spacemanoeuvres]

installed my tach on wednesday, works just fine
rev limiter is at 6400 for you guys that were wondering
atleast now I know when to shift the damn thing
everyone should do this mod, its a must for the 5spds

cool :thumbsup:

if you could post pics that would be awesome.

I've never installed a tachometer, but I'm gonna give it a go' when I get my Yaris next week (hopefully!).

[why?]

Here is what mine looks like.

http://images6.theimagehosting.com/mytach.jpg (http://www.theimagehosting.com)

[Idjiit]

Hate to say it, but I think it's pretty ridiculous looking. :shrug:

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

since reading this topic ive been doing some research and a cluster swap from a 4 door will not work. the wiring harness is indeed different thus preventing that idea. i guess we'll have to see what toyota does for 2008....

[Snake]

http://www.hyespeeders.com/Pics/Yaris/yaris6.JPG

[NickNickNick]

Interesting topic...I'll throw in my 2 cents...

Having a tach is pretty handy, but not really necessary.

I have one in my Canadian 06 3-door, and had I not driven a standard vehicle before, I would definitely need one...it was also a beautiful thing to have for the first month while getting used to things. Also, my gf is slowly learning to drive my car, and relies quite heavily on the tach (mostly because she cranks Kelly Clarkson so damn loud in the little car with the huge speaker set that you can't hear what the hell the car's doing) so it's nice to have there, too.

I like it, now that I have it, I want it...if I never had it, I'd probably be indifferent.

[Fyxxterzc]

I'm digging that second tach on the pillar. That with that HUD mph display would rock it. Definately be better than trying to look to the right for speed and rpm information.

[birdy]

snakes is the best so far, perfect size and placement

[DollaZo]

I agree with Birdy, Snake you have the best looking after marker tacho I have seen yet. Just wondering if u installed it urself and if u had any pics of the installation. Did you encounter any problems, for example in Oz we have the digital tach would that still have the same cabling system as the analog?

[spacemanoeuvres]

Thanks for the pics snake & why?

Did you install the tach yourself? If so, was it difficult? We'll have to put together a Tach Installation Guide at some point :biggrin:

I ordered a nordskog digital tach this AM.

Hopefully I'll have the hardware before I take delivery this week (fingers crossed). I think I'm going to mount my tach directly behind the steering wheel because I don't want anything obstructing the windshield.

Anyway, I'll post pics as soon as I can, thanks again everyone!

[Thirty-Nine]

I'm also curious as to how to wire the tach.

[Snake]

I'm also curious as to how to wire the tach.

I had a close friend of mine put it in, was very easy install but he is a stereo installer at a shop
4 wires under the steering wheel I think, followed the instructions that came with the tach
I'm not a big fan of electronics, so I let him do the wiring, less headache
just make sure u guys remember to make the tach for a 4 cyl and not an 8cyl, they usually come setup for an 8cyl, theres a switch on the back

if your not good at wiring bring it to an electrician so you dont mess it up

[Leenis24]

im buying a tach tomorrow. I was thinking of installing it myself. Theres 4 wires to the one im getting. a green, red, white, and black. red is for power, black is ground, White for illumination, and green to the ecu/ecm or (-) side of coil. If i think its going to be to difficult i'll bring it somewhere. The hardest part will be finding all the right places to put the wiring. The power and illumination wire need 12v sources. Im guessing slicing them to a power source that only is on when i turn the key to ACC or ON. Im also installing it on the a-pillar, about where SNAKE has his. The one im getting is about $50 from Bond Auto store (State Local I think). Im going to see if the tach works correctly first before i start drilling holes in the a-pillar plastic and mounting it. I'll let you all know if i get it up and working. If i had a digital cam that woked i'd take install pics. Sorry. I'll probly verbaly explain it anyhow.

[mikeukrainetz]

Wow, cant believe there is such a long thread on tachs. If anybody is seriously interested in doing a stock swap try finding an outlet in Canada who would sell replacement parts, particularily the cluster. I dont know for sure about a lot of imports but from all the domestic cars I have worked on most models in the same lineup carry all of the same wiring hookups, less required relays etc for options not ordered. The wiring for the stock radio for example in the 2006+ Yaris is the same for most Toyotas since 2000. For a cheap car as the Yaris is the wiring would be far too expensive to be different between different trim levels. I have my doubts that a Canadian cluster would not fit in a US spec Yaris.
I hate to say it but most of the guys (most, not all) that work at parts etc at dealers have no idea what fits what if it doesnt say so in the brochure.

If you feel up to the task contact someone in the UK where the center dash cluster in the Yaris has been around since 2000.

Anyone just looking for a small aftermarket tach that doesnt make you look like Joe Racer and willing to spend a few bucks look at Defi. They make an awsome looking set of guages - black face, very inconspicuous and only about 2-3/8".

[eight_heads]

yeah, i'm going to wait for one of those a-pillar gauge pods and add a small tach to it.... i'll be fine until autometer releases a gauge pod for it... i used to do custom parts and upgrades in an automotive parts shop and the pillar mounted pods look alot cleaner than anything else(next to fiberglass)

[Leenis24]

Hey guys check out my new post, Tach installation, the best as i could.

Thread:
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=662

[VitzBoy]

Hey guys check out my new post, Tach installation, the best as i could.

Thread:
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=662


:w00t: thx for sharing!

[TRD_Yaris]

http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/ProductImages/silverdigitalshiftlight.jpg

This company has some SWEET gauges, especially the TINT, 7 color selectable gauges. They offer a 3 3/4" Tachometer with adjustable shift light, A SWEET DIGITAL TACH shiftlight, or a simple adjustable light that you can mount anywhere..

http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=140

http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=23

[weeze-dog]

Write to toyota and maybe if they get enough requests they will add a tach for 2008. Then you could buy a cluster for your 2007 if you wanted. Or someone may convince a company to come up with a harness adpater to hookup the seadan cluster into the liftback.
Personally I'm not buying one until they offer a factory tach. I think its just incredibly ignorant to screw us USA buyers by offering a tach in every other country but here.

[spacemanoeuvres]

Hey guys check out my new post, Tach installation, the best as i could.

Thread:
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=662

nice one! thanks for sharing...

I just got my nordskog today; but they sent me a black unit instead of silver :confused:

oh well, nothing a can of spraypaint can't fix :laugh:

[eight_heads]

i think i'm going to go with one of these: http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/ProductImages/tinted7color/GS-T710_TINTEDTACH.jpg i'm not sure of the quality... i was looking for an autometer.... but i think the coloring(the blue with the orange needle) will match the stock gauges the best... plus it's one of the few 2" tachs

[eight_heads]

nice one! thanks for sharing...

I just got my nordskog today; but they sent me a black unit instead of silver :confused:

oh well, nothing a can of spraypaint can't fix :laugh:
what'd you pay for the nordskog?

[TRD_Yaris]

Write to toyota and maybe if they get enough requests they will add a tach for 2008. Then you could buy a cluster for your 2007 if you wanted. Or someone may convince a company to come up with a harness adpater to hookup the seadan cluster into the liftback.
Personally I'm not buying one until they offer a factory tach. I think its just incredibly ignorant to screw us USA buyers by offering a tach in every other country but here.

well, you could just IMPORT the TRD gauge cluster for the Vitz, Carson Toyota could probably get it for ya if you find the Toyota OEM part number...it would solve the problem and puts the gauge cluster (water and oil temps and tach) right in front of the steering wheel :thumbup:

or just mount a single gauge pod by either drilling tw holes and getting a swivel pod (about 6.99 on glowshift.com website) or drill a hole in dash and simply flush-mount the gauge. I'm a big stick-ler for OEM and clean looks, but a black housing gauge with black tinted cover would look very clean... (don't steal my idea, bishes!!!! :mad: haha)



i think i'm going to go with one of these: http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/ProductImages/tinted7color/GS-T710_TINTEDTACH.jpg i'm not sure of the quality... i was looking for an autometer.... but i think the coloring(the blue with the orange needle) will match the stock gauges the best... plus it's one of the few 2" tachs

actually, YOU CAN switch between 7 different background colors, it's an LED setup so it's not faded looking like with ghetto gauge cluster covers (which illuminate through a colored paper/plastic element). Very bright when on, but when turned off it is pure black and stealth...i suggest reading around their website a bit more, you'll fall in love like I did.
I run them on my SCCA 240SX's and I can say they are ACCURATE, EASY-to-READ at a glance (bright and clear), Easy to install and mount, and are very cheap in comparison to what you will spend elsewhere.
but, if you were planning on buying multiple gauges, it might BE BETTER to just get a ScanGauge2 unit which has MANY MANY input readings (oil&water temps, revs, fuel output, etc.etc.etc.)..cost effectiveness.

[eight_heads]

well i ordered the glowshift last night and a universal single a-pillar pod... we'll see

[spacemanoeuvres]

what'd you pay for the nordskog?

$169.30 (shipped from west to east coast)

it was retah'ded expensive, at least I think so

funny part is they sent me the wrong color so I have to RMA

prob' won't have it til' July :laugh:

[TRD_Yaris]

i think i'm going to go with one of these: http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/ProductImages/tinted7color/GS-T710_TINTEDTACH.jpg i'm not sure of the quality... i was looking for an autometer.... but i think the coloring(the blue with the orange needle) will match the stock gauges the best... plus it's one of the few 2" tachs

This one is accurate and is only 37.99!! this thing is sweet, believe me.. :thumbup: Make sure you tell em Joe Clark sent ya, i kinda sponsor these gauges..but only because they are so high quality and inexpensive..one of the first mods you should do to any car you race = reliable gauges. :evil:

[eight_heads]

well i got it and put it in, just waiting for a mount... anyway, it's a little hard to read if it's bright out, but i plan on tinting the windows... also, there is a color that matched the stock gauges in tge liftback perfectly... i'm happy

[spacemanoeuvres]

Money shots of my tach install (glowshift 3 3/4")

Not very bright with the sun out but it looks good at night.

Overall I'm pleased with the way it came out :smile:

[eight_heads]

glad you're happy with it

[TRD_Yaris]

ahh..yes, i didn't notice that the bright summer light can drown out the readability of the Glowshift gauge a bit..have you guys tried switching between the 7 colors to see if another color works better during the day? i've got a gauge pod that has a little cover over the top (like traffic lights) that i'm going to retrofit onto the My tach to see if it helps shade the gauge a bit. Also, my gague is in the A-pillar right above the air vent (round gauge pod looks pretty good next to the round air vent about the same size!!) which shades it pretty well as-is..and i've got tinted windows.

Anyway, i'm glad you guys are satisfied with the glowshift gauges..i kinda wish the didn't have the large "GLOWSHIFT" symbold right in the middle :mad: i like a clean,simple setup..

[Master2192]

that glowshift one mounted is perfect. Nice job

[TRD_Yaris]

Here's an example:

http://www.wac.addr.com/auto/obs/hud/hud.html
http://www.wac.addr.com/auto/obs/hud/cockpit.jpg

this one would be PIMP if it was mounted FLUSH on the dash..it would require hacking up that dash :evil:

[eight_heads]

finally some pics of my tach installed... i finally got the pod in.... anyway, it wouldn't fit on top of the steering column because it would either hit the wheel when turning or i wouldn't be able to open the compartment... so here you go
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9185/gauge33fq.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[spacemanoeuvres]

Returned the digital Nordskog ($169 shipped).

They received it 07/03/06 and I STILL haven't received a refund!!!

5 emails later, and as many assurances that my card would be credited, I initiated a chargeback with my credit card company :bs:

Moral of the story: don't buy a Nordskog unless you're absolutely going to keep it :laugh:

[JustAnotherAsian]

no one flush mounted the tach on the glove box lid yet? that's something i'd consider- unless the angle is way too steep for easy viewing.

maybe that RS center gauge cluster is the way to go for a cleaner look, or that gauge pod that goes above the glovebox lid.

[Kiteless]

Holy Crap! OK So I just called my dealer. I have had my 07 Yaris Liftback for around 6 weeks. I miss having a Tach sooooo much. I called them, and like the other guy, they said the exact opposite to what the 1800 toyota people said. The wireing is totally different and they want $900 F***ing dollars for the part!

Further more, replacing my entire IP with one from say, Canada would void the warranty of th ENTIRE CAR! Adding an after market pod on the dash will void the warranty of what ever "wire" it is plugged into. I may still add a tach, but I will wait until my warranty expires in 55K miles. (Sigh).

I love my Yaris and I still really like Toyota. I just wish they would be a little nicer about this stuff. And that I can not get the same answer from 2 different office.

This also makes me wonder about other projects that I want to do to this car. I need to supply power to my little sub woofer when I get it, what does that do to my warranty? F-ing annoying. GRrrrrrr!

- Kiteless

[Yaris Yaba]

I really didn't know that the US yaris don't have a tach meter, why?

[Kiteless]

I really didn't know that the US yaris don't have tach gauges, why?

It is because this place is Sedan (and SUV) Central! Sigh. I was born in the US but always had a thing for the little Euro Econo Hatchbacks. I love my Yaris. I just wish us U.S. would not get screwed for all the cool cars that nevert make it here. But it is not Toyotas fault. Or any other car manufactures fault. What are car manufactures out to do? Make money of course. SO they react that what the population of a country want more as a whole. Most americans was a nice safe boring sedan with 4 doors. Most of the other americans that do not want a sedan wand a big giant SUV that costs $108 every time they go to the gas station. There are still the STation Wagons and motor cycle croud. But It is mostly Sedans and SUV's here. Sigh.....

Anyway, that is my rant for the day. Good question. BTW I love Thai food!

- Kiteless

[mikeukrainetz]

Ive found over the years a lot of the cheap cars whether they are domestic or foreign 'typically' havent had a tach. Although on quite a few of these cars a Tach was offered on the more expensive trim levels.

[bladesmith6]

I'm molding a tach gauge pod into the left corner around the a/c vent against the pillar right now, I'll post pics when it's done. It's for a 3-3/8" tach.

[ultimatehipster]

I just got my L/B Yaris with power pkg and it does not have a tachometer... :( I didn't expect one but as someone here just said, the option pkgs have been a mess online.... they change all the time for new england area!

[spkrman]

i plan on getting a Gtech pro anyway, that way i have a tach, 0-60, 1/4 mile, HP and Tourqe readings, g-forces, and all the good stuff. The base Gtech is about $200 and the pricy one is $300. I'll probly look for one on ebay for cheaper.

I plan on getting one myself, handy little gadgets!

[Yaris Revenge]

Okay, reviving an OLD thread here, but looks like GlowShift has addressed the problem with bright sunlight.

http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=193

~YR

[daq421]

There will be no tach available according to Toyota customer service. The build your Toyota site is real general, and to this point still pretty screwed up.

I have a tach, it came with the power package. (along with Pwr Locks and Cruise control)
-Peter

[Yaris Revenge]

I have a tach, it came with the power package. (along with Pwr Locks and Cruise control)
-Peter
You're in Canada, you don't count! :tongue:
EDIT: OH, wait, that's California, isn't it! Ha!

~YR

[daq421]

You're in Canada, you don't count! :tongue:
EDIT: OH, wait, that's California, isn't it! Ha!

~YR

Hehe...
Yep California it is...

[nsracing]

id like to add a tach to my yaris but im afraid to, but on the other side whats the point unless you go stick right? but see what i wanna figure out is what can i do to the car to make the car faster, i got a friend who has a 2006 mitsu lancer OZ and he keeps on wanning to race and i know i cant win unless i do things to my car but what and how can i do about doing it to make sure i win???

[jdgriswald]

I have a tach, it came with the power package. (along with Pwr Locks and Cruise control)
-PeterIt is an option in sedans, not hatch.

[Yaris Revenge]

id like to add a tach to my yaris but im afraid to, but on the other side whats the point unless you go stick right? but see what i wanna figure out is what can i do to the car to make the car faster, i got a friend who has a 2006 mitsu lancer OZ and he keeps on wanning to race and i know i cant win unless i do things to my car but what and how can i do about doing it to make sure i win???

1.) Give up racing.
~or~
2.) Buy a different car.
~or~
3.)Sabotage. :cool:

He's sporting at least 12 more HP than you, and that's if he's running stock. And it sounds like you have the automatic Yaris, which is about as quick as a turd rolling downhill (based on my test drive, anyway). Besides, what does it prove if he wins a goofy street race with a Yaris? Tell him he must have a small penis if he's proud of such accomplishments. :laugh:

~YR