Oil Filter

[N2scouting]

When i purchased my new Yaris 3DLB last week the salesmen told me I should only purchase Toyota oil filters. His reason was that a Toyota oil filter has a check valve inside of it that will keep oil in the top of the engine. This will insure that the overhead cam has oil during start up. Is this true or can I use any good quality after market filter such as Fram or Wix?

[jambo101]

While its under warranty i'd stay with the dealer supplied filter as using a different filter may give them a loophole to weasel out of any engine work that may be needed. Why do you want to use a different oil filter than the recommended Toyota filter?

PS. Fram and Wix filters arent as good as you think they might be. http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20875

[Tamago]

you can buy a case of toyota filters at under $5 each. why in the world would you buy anything BUT at that price? frams are more expensive than that lol

www.partznet.com

[1stToyota]

They can't tell you what filter to use, or indicate that aftermarket oil filters will void your warranty. Tell them to put it in writing, and under the terms of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act the dealer will be obliged to provide his filters to you for free. I just paid $2.08 each (shipped) for a case of Pennzoil filters..."Meets or exceeds vehicle manufacturers' warranty requirements." printed right on the box. :w00t:

And I wouldn't be too afraid to use Fram, so long as you change it at or before 5k miles. Probably the most installed filter in America, DIY and retail...and some of their P/N look extremely well made. I think they're even OEM for Subaru now, maybe even a few other makes... :confused:

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/KinskiGTO/004.jpg

[RedRide]

Toyota oil filters are some of the very best on the market and you can't go wrong with them. Yes, they do have a check valve as the salsman told you. Imagine that, a car salesman actually told you the truth. :wink:

On the other hand, FRAM orange oil filters (contrary to popular opinion) are garbage. The orange filters are their cheapest (in both price and consturuction.and are to be avoided.
Google it.

[1stToyota]

A check valve in a filter, imagine that. That's almost like saying: This oil filter is designed with a gasket and media; it's special.

And google results for the orange can Fram will say what? Cardboard ends, leaf-spring, etc? Maybe, but not on a newer P/N like I provided for that orange can Fram.

[R2D2]

Yeah any filter for the same application should have an anti drain back valve so the oem is not special in that regard. Having said that the Denso made Toyota filters are quality for cheap. Same for Nippons which is what I'm currently running.

R2

[1stToyota]

Yeah any filter for the same application should have an anti drain back valve so the oem is not special in that regard. Having said that the Denso made Toyota filters are quality for cheap. Same for Nippons which is what I'm currently running.

R2

I like the Nippon filter. Napa sells them through their Altrom/Import line. Last I checked I could get one for $2.70

[R2D2]

1st,

Wow that's a sweet deal-I'll have to check that out, thanks!

R2

[yaris-me]

The Fram, Tough Guard filter has a heavy silicone anti-drainback valve. The cheaper Fram uses a cheap rubber anti-drainback valve.:smile:

[RedRide]

The Fram, Tough Guard filter has a heavy silicone anti-drainback valve. The cheaper Fram uses a cheap rubber anti-drainback valve.:smile:

Yeah, the Fram "Tough Gaurd" filters are OK. It' s the cheap orange filters that are less than desiable.

BTW, to no one in particular.....
Just becase something is popular dosen't make it good. :wink:

[1stToyota]

Yeah, the Fram "Tough Gaurd" filters are OK. It' s the cheap orange filters that are less than desiable.

BTW, to no one in particular.....
Just becase something is popular dosen't make it good. :wink:

I'll pretend that wasn't directed at me :wink:

What I was getting at is that outlets like WalMart probably do HUNDREDS of oil changes, everyday, coast-to-coast, using mainly Fram filters/Pennzoil oil, and engine failure rate due solely to filter and/or oil probably rates as low as any other filter/oil produced. But people sure do like to single out Fram filters for being junk and Pennzoil for sludging up motors. If that were true, I doubt they'd still be so popular and so widely used, out-selling the #2 selling oil filter 6-to-1.

[R2D2]

LOL

So true! My dad's had several engine's go 200k plus on Fram's but man do I cringe when I cut those things apart!

That old Pennzoil myth just won't die! LOL

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[craigq]

Furthermore, with the orientation of the filter on the 1NZFE the ADBV doesn't really affect whether there is immediate oil flow or not... the oil simply can't drain out of the filter.

[Tamago]

"Meets or exceeds vehicle manufacturers' warranty requirements." printed right on the box.

this brings back the movie Tommy Boy in a big way...

[R2D2]

this brings back the movie Tommy Boy in a big way...

Ha Ha. One of my favorite movies of all time-it's hard to go a day without quoting it!

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[b_hickman11]

I use Super Techs from Wal-Mart. They are only about $2.25 each and they work just as good as any other major brand.

[Fenrizwolf]

You get what you pay for.....
I use the Toyota filter that is recommended.

[jambo101]

I use the dealer filter,its only $8 and i'm sure the engineers at Toyota have done testing to make sure its the optimum filter for the engine. Although there may be better filters out there as all filters are not created equal.Although the study is for a Ford motor it gives some good points to look for when trying to understand whats inside the filter and why i should buy one over another.
http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html

[1stToyota]

I use the dealer filter,its only $8 and i'm sure the engineers at Toyota have done testing to make sure its the optimum filter for the engine. Although there may be better filters out there as all filters are not created equal.Although the study is for a Ford motor it gives some good points to look for when trying to understand whats inside the filter and why i should buy one over another.
http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html

Best filter I've ever seen is the filter that came on the Yaris, from the factory, not the replacement found at the dealership...those appear to be good but nothing special. Factory filter looked like a premium Nippon, but with silicone valve, gasket and special construction for the media.

[Fenrizwolf]

Best filter I've ever seen is the filter that came on the Yaris, from the factory, not the replacement found at the dealership...those appear to be good but nothing special. Factory filter looked like a premium Nippon, but with silicone valve, gasket and special construction for the media.

there is another thread on here that explains the difference in these filters.

[1stToyota]

there is another thread on here that explains the difference in these filters.

I've never seen that. Maybe I'll look into it after I use up these 12 Pennzoil filters.

[nemelek]

[QUOTE=jambo101;365277]I use the dealer filter,its only $8 QUOTE]

Once and a while (twice a year) the Toyota dealers in my area run a mail special. $3.95 each.

[06silveryaris]

I use Pennzoil or valvoline in both my cars with oem for the yaris but puralator pure one for the 08crv, since the oem new Honda filters are made by fram. I have read alot of bad stuff on Fram for a while and saw cut filters of a few different brands and fram did look inferior. But what really did it was my neighbor uses fram or motorcraft and about 4 months ago his fram filter failed (seems to have come apart from the inside) and oil spilled everywhere. When he opened the the filter it looked like just a cup just filled with parts. There is a web site called bobistheoilguy.com which cover all this stuff in detail.

[b_hickman11]

You get what you pay for.....
I use the Toyota filter that is recommended.

They're made by the same company that makes filters for VW and other name brand filters.

[Fenrizwolf]

http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html

[1stToyota]

I use Pennzoil or valvoline in both my cars with oem for the yaris but puralator pure one for the 08crv, since the oem new Honda filters are made by fram. I have read alot of bad stuff on Fram for a while and saw cut filters of a few different brands and fram did look inferior. But what really did it was my neighbor uses fram or motorcraft and about 4 months ago his fram filter failed (seems to have come apart from the inside) and oil spilled everywhere. When he opened the the filter it looked like just a cup just filled with parts. There is a web site called bobistheoilguy.com which cover all this stuff in detail.

Maybe Fram has or is starting to get serious and up their game a bit...this cut-away doesn't look inferior, in fact it looks better than most, and same goes for their P/N for the Scion xD motor; that one looked as good as, maybe even a little better than OEM and WIX, as far as construction was concerned.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/KinskiGTO/004.jpg

[R2D2]

1st,

I think that's a really old pic!

R2

[b_hickman11]

http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html

Looks like a lot of the filters on the Recommended list are all made by the same people who also make the Super Tech filters for Wal-Mart. So I guess you get what you pay for huh?

[thepartsmancometh]

I use the toyota filter (come on, I do work for the dealer...) but I use bmw synthetic. Iam very happy with this combo; the oil that comes out at 5k, looks like pennzoil!

the rec. toyota filter (90915-YZZF2) does NOT have a check valve. the 90915-YZZF1 DOES. same threads, etc, thats the only difference (besides can length). as prev mentioned, the yaris (and a lot of other toyotas besides) dont need the valve due to orientation of the filter.

[1stToyota]

1st,

I think that's a really old pic!

R2

No, it's a really recent pic (I took it) of a new P/N (Ford's new 2.3 DOHC 4-cyl)...so new it's still a non-stocking number at O'Reilly's in this area (can still get it overnighted though), and WIX/Amsoil offered it for a brief time as a 51215/EaO33, until they decided to try the 51348 (long-time Toyota filter) for the Ford instead. :rolleyes:

Fram has not switched their PH9566 P/N to a PH3614 (Toyota application) yet, for the new Ford.

[severous01]

i hate fram....had an issue on my camaro. the canister/filter element fell off or blew off while the screw part and gasket stayed on the engine. tell me that fram didnt just waste 30 bux in royal purple and tell me again that fram didnt pay for it...

i use wix, napa gold, toyota, delco, and i think that's about it.

[Henry G.]

I'm no engineer but the Baldwin filters I use are noticebly heavier than the stock filter..and the same price around 7-8 bucks.