Yaris 5Speed in the States?

[Snake]

Anyone manage to pick up a Yaris 5speed in the states yet? if so, how is it and what is different on it. (tach?) All of the models I've seen so far have been automatic, I'm waiting on my 5speed to arrive, just want to know if anyone has one yet.

[DJ_SpaRky]

I saw on buytoyota.com that some will be in this weekend, I'm going to call one of the dealers & ask on Fri & then again on Sat, then I might go down & check one out.

[mygrnthmb]

Picked up my 5 speed L/B on the 25th no tach

[Idjiit]

Picked up my 5 speed L/B on the 25th no tach

What packages did your Liftback come with? If you got the Convenience Package, but not the Power Package - can you tell us if it came with the 60/40 split rear seat?

[DJ_SpaRky]

What packages did your Liftback come with? If you got the Convenience Package, but not the Power Package - can you tell us if it came with the 60/40 split rear seat?


...and if you did get the Power Package?

(so we can know if the package doesn't include a Tach, I hope that you didn't & that it does)

[jdgriswald]

...and if you did get the Power Package?

(so we can know if the package doesn't include a Tach, I hope that you didn't & that it does)

It does not include the tach. This option sheet off of the Toyota website should clear it up: 197

[Idjiit]

My dealer just called me saying my car just came off the truck, I'll be picking it up in 4 hours! :D

[DJ_SpaRky]

It does not include the tach. This option sheet off of the Toyota website should clear it up: 197

thanks, I have read that, it conflicts with other info.

[mygrnthmb]

You go idjiit!!! I have the CQ pkg. no 60/40 rear seat

[Idjiit]

Here it is...

http://www.swiftbennett.com/images/yaris/_W8F7613_reduced.jpg
http://www.swiftbennett.com/images/yaris/_W8F7615_reduced.jpg
http://www.swiftbennett.com/images/yaris/_W8F7617_reduced.jpg
http://www.swiftbennett.com/images/yaris/_W8F7618_reduced.jpg

[Snake]

use it good health man

[birdy]

its a 5 speed?

[Idjiit]

Yes. 5-Speed, Convenience Package only. No tach, no 60/40 splits rear seats. The information in the http://www.buyatoyota.com system was simply wrong. Contrary to what the photos may lead you do believe, the only aux port for an iPod is near the e-brake.

[DJ_SpaRky]

Congrats.

nice pics too.

[Idjiit]

Thanks, I'll have pictures of me gutting the interior soon. ;)

[why?]

lol, let us know how easy it is. I'm going to do that as well when I get mine.

[Idjiit]

It's not as easy as on a Scion, unfortunately. You'll have to buy an External Torx ratchet set, at a minimum. I'll have pictures, etc. sometime today.

[why?]

Cool. Ratchets I have, actually, even if I have to borrow some of my father's tools I should be able to come up with everything needed.

[Snake]

lol I will be joining you on the gutting too
mine will be stripped the weekend I bring it home
anybody want to buy some extra back seats

[Idjiit]

Cool. Ratchets I have, actually, even if I have to borrow some of my father's tools I should be able to come up with everything needed.

Well, be sure you have external torx sockets, they're not very common:

http://www.swiftbennett.com/images/yaris/_W8F7624_reduced.jpg

You can get a kit at Sears for $20.

FWIW, taking everything out of the back - spare, seats, cargo hatch, etc. lops off over 100lbs.

[DJ_SpaRky]

lol I will be joining you on the gutting too
mine will be stripped the weekend I bring it home
anybody want to buy some extra back seats


I guess we all have the same idea

[Snake]

I guess we all have the same idea

I guess I'm not the only crazy one around here, nice
that deck lid in the back is heavy too, the one in the auto I saw was mad dense

if you guys put on a set of extra light 15 inch wheels you can shed another 40lbs believe it or not

I did it to my xb, lost 40 lbs on just the wheels

[Idjiit]

Yeah, wheels are next for me. You'd have to really hunt to knock 40lbs off the stock setup though. Not sure what the tires weight, but the rims are 17lbs. Even with the 11lb wheels I'm getting, that's only 24lbs. Tires will come once I blow through the first set.

Here's the weights for everything:

Back Seat & Belts - 50lbs
Spare Tire - 22lbs
Deck Lid, Plastic Containers, Spare Kit, Cover - 21lbs

Okay, so I suck at math. Almost 100lbs. :P

If you're wondering, the jack isn't in the back, it's under the front seat.

[Snake]

buy a set of 10lb wheels
and by a set of ultra low weight lug nuts light mcguards, believe it or not will save you a pound on each wheel

[DJ_SpaRky]

yeah, wheels, I want 17"s, I found a model that is 15lbs for 17" x 7", it's the lightest 17"s I can find.

[stuffy]

hey, if any of you rs model owners out there want and are serious about selling the back seat with the 60/40 split,

i would be an interested buyer.

[birdy]

get rota slipstreams in 17" they are still pretty light and cheap.

or like some 16x8 slipstreams and maybe get flares to fit them haha I bet that would handle crazy

well depending on the offset

[why?]

Well, be sure you have external torx sockets, they're not very common:

http://www.swiftbennett.com/images/yaris/_W8F7624_reduced.jpg

You can get a kit at Sears for $20.

FWIW, taking everything out of the back - spare, seats, cargo hatch, etc. lops off over 100lbs.

That is unique looking. A monkeywrench could prolly do the trick as well if I didn't have the right sockets.

I'm going to get Volk TE37's at 14x5. Chances are they weigh less than 8lbs each. I have to believe they can handle hitting an occasional pothole.

Anyone offhand know the lightest aftermarket seats? I'm going to have to do a lot of research to find that out.

[birdy]

That is unique looking. A monkeywrench could prolly do the trick as well if I didn't have the right sockets.

I'm going to get Volk TE37's at 14x5. Chances are they weigh less than 8lbs each. I have to believe they can handle hitting an occasional pothole.

Anyone offhand know the lightest aftermarket seats? I'm going to have to do a lot of research to find that out.
comfortable or not?

I made seats back in the day for my 323 gtx for autocross out of fiberglass and they were 8lbs a piece with padding. strong enough to hold 200lbs also.
Pretty easy to make also but I wouldn't daily drive with them.

[Snake]

the seats that are reclineable are about double the weight of those that are fixed, you can actually find on ebay reclineables that range from 15-19lbs
the fixed ones you can find from 6lbs-12lbs
but of course the lighter you go, usually the more money they will run you
save yourself some dough and get some cheaper seats, put a few hundred towards the motor

[why?]

comfortable or not?

I made seats back in the day for my 323 gtx for autocross out of fiberglass and they were 8lbs a piece with padding. strong enough to hold 200lbs also.
Pretty easy to make also but I wouldn't daily drive with them.
the seats that are reclineable are about double the weight of those that are fixed, you can actually find on ebay reclineables that range from 15-19lbs
the fixed ones you can find from 6lbs-12lbs
but of course the lighter you go, usually the more money they will run you
save yourself some dough and get some cheaper seats, put a few hundred towards the motor

I am interested in getting the best fuel economy possible, so the lighter the better. Not sure what engine mods I will do, besides a lightweight flywheel and eventually a full exhaust system.

Since it will be my daily driver, they do need to be comfortable. I'd try fixed ones first just to see, but I'd prolly need a reclinable one for the passengers seat anyways.

I'd prolly want to trying them out first though. That'll be the tough part. Of course, even when I'm in perfect health 200lbs weight maximum wouldn't be enough.

[DJ_SpaRky]

get rota slipstreams in 17" they are still pretty light and cheap.

or like some 16x8 slipstreams and maybe get flares to fit them haha I bet that would handle crazy

well depending on the offset


I'm going to get Volk TE37's at 14x5. Chances are they weigh less than 8lbs each. I have to believe they can handle hitting an occasional pothole.


smaller wheels mean more tire, IMO tires are heavier than wheels, so 15lbs wheels & 10lbs tires, would be better than 8lbs wheels & 25lbs tires. plus I like the look & the stiffness, they can accommodate larger brakes too.

[why?]

smaller wheels mean more tire, IMO tires are heavier than wheels, so 15lbs wheels & 10lbs tires, would be better than 8lbs wheels & 25lbs tires. plus I like the look & the stiffness, they can accommodate larger brakes too.

The thing is that tires are not measured by actual sizes, but by ratios.

Here is a good guide by Tirerack.com (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=7)

For real proof that smaller tires weigh less here is a list of tire weights from Toyo tires. (http://www.toyo.com/tires/tire_specsheet.cfm?id=14)

In every case, the 14" wheels weigh less than the larger wheels.

[DJ_SpaRky]

I see what you are saying, but I'm comparing a 70-series against a 45-series, the 45-series will weigh less, since the overall diameter is the same there is less rubber thus less weight.

http://www.toyo.com/tires/tire_specsheet.cfm?id=18
- 205/45/17 are about 20 lbs for toyos

[Snake]

guys, dont go crazy with tire weights, the wheel weight is more important
if you want lighter tires, just go with a thinner tire
if you go with wider tires, they will weigh more of course but you will notice a huge performance gain on the turns, I used to switch back and forth in the scion from 225 tires to my 185 snow tires, huge difference on the turns, you wouldnt even believe
im going to go with a set of 225 on my 15's, once the car is dropped, should be nice around the turns
I hear toyo proxes are probably the lightest tires if you comparing the same sizes, check them out

[why?]

You have to also realize that snow tires are simply not meant for dry handling.

All weight is important. And since the tires are on the outside of the wheel, the weight of the tire is prolly more important. I've heard anywhere from 4 lbs and up of tire weight is equal to 1 lb of weight above the suspension.

The other thing that has to be considered is how you are going to drive the car. If I was going to autocross the car I'd get 17" tires, because I'd want the absolute best I could buy.

However, since it is going to be my daily driver, I have no need for super expensive tires that have limits that are impossible to hit while doing anything below 100 mph.

Because of this, I can do everything possible to minimize the weight everywhere. The tires DJ_SpaRky is looking at weigh about 20 lbs.

The tires I am looking at weigh 16 lbs.

At first glance that is only 16 lbs. However, if you buy into the theory that tire weight equals 4 times suspended weight, it has the same impact as 64 lbs of weight above the suspension.

Add that to wheel weight, where the stock wheels weigh 17lbs each, and the TE37's I'll mount weigh less then 8 lbs, and you have some serious weight loss.

It really all depends on how you are going to use the vehicle.

[Idjiit]

I think why? has been drinking. 4 x 4 = 16. ;)

EDIT: Actually, in truth... Idjiit's been drinking. 4 lbs per tire x 4 lbs equivalent to unsprung weight = 16 x 4 tires = 64lbs. Sorry, I'll go back to drinking now. ;)

[DJ_SpaRky]

I see what you are saying about the weight & I agree, but it seems illogical that less mass would weigh more, but I guess that it could be possible with variations in materials & thicknesses. I'm still getting 17"s, it'll be my Daily but I do corner "Spiritedly" on occasion so I want to be able to handle when I want or need to. I don’t care about the rough ride, my xB is horrid rough (I think the shocks/struts are going)

BTW, I’m not looking at those Toyo’s it was just a reference. I want Kumho 711 or Falken FE 512.

[why?]

The 4 lb weight difference is due solely to a stronger construction of the 17" tire.

[DJ_SpaRky]

I'm just looking for a good bit lighter than the stockers, stiffer too.

[why?]

Which is what you will get. I plan to stiffen the suspension eventually with urethane bushing and lower it as well, I'll let the tires take up the softening business, and if the tires don't handle well enough I can always upgrade.

[DJ_SpaRky]

yeah, it'll be stiff [insert "boing" noise] LOL

[Idjiit]

Lowering it will be essential. The seats are way too high as well. My head almost hits the ceiling - I'll be dropping the seat height at least 2 inches once I get my race seat in. It will be interesting to see if the car feels like it has less roll after those two things are done.

[DJ_SpaRky]

In my Wife's xA they seem really high, so I lean it back & then slide it forward. it works for me but might not work for you.

[birdy]

i test drove a 5 speed sedan yesterday and it had no tach, the transmission feels sooo good but not being able to read rpm's to bring them higher is kinda annoying.

[Idjiit]

In my Wife's xA they seem really high, so I lean it back & then slide it forward. it works for me but might not work for you.

Yeah, doesn't work for me. I'm 6ft so there's only so close I can sit before my knees start hitting, and I like to keep close enough to the wheel so I can turn hard with both hands on the wheel but still have good strength in my arms.

[DJ_SpaRky]

Yeah, doesn't work for me. I'm 6ft so there's only so close I can sit before my knees start hitting, and I like to keep close enough to the wheel so I can turn hard with both hands on the wheel but still have good strength in my arms.

word, the xA is bigger so it might have bigger footwells. but lowering the seat stills sounds like a good idea, but only when getting replacement seats

[Thirty-Nine]

Okay, so why is it that I don't have the option of building a liftback with a five-speed when I enter my ZIP (53207), or even my Dad's ZIP (98607)? Anyone have any ideas?

[Idjiit]

It may simply be a bug in the system. Call your dealer and ask what they can get.

[why?]

The system is messed up.