Will this setup fit?

[lilredrocket]

Ok found the wheels and tires I like but not sure if the setup will rub or not.

Heres the wheels: 15x8 +36

http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda-Performance-Part/61-0210.html

And the tires: 225/45zr15

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+R-S3&partnum=245WR5Z222&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

I would rather not stretch tires on wheels doesn't look right to me.

[Penguin Garage]

well the 225 at a +36 offset is going to be the hardest part to fit in the front.

what suspension do you have again?

[lilredrocket]

I have the DF210's hopefully soon switching to the AOE's. I may have to wait to get the Silk Roads I want

[AdeJong 03]

6ULs are a great wheel. The rear will fit.

You can roll the front fenders and put a 215 on the front and youll end up with a very mild stretch, almost unnoticeable. that should fit

i think the rear would be fine

[cali yaris]

I would do a 215 on that. might need some negative camber, too.

45 series is a little thin?

[lilredrocket]

I am running about -2.8 camber on each side already!! The only tire tirerack shows in a 215 that would be close to that dia. is a BFG g-Force sport. I'm not a fan of BFG but I haven't looked anywhere else yet. If I'm not mistaken Tamago is running a 225/45 I know he has room for them figured I might try:iono:

Yea I found it. They don't seem that thin.

http://aggressivefitment.com/blogviewpost_105a72af-92db-4dee-a85d-6101158fbacd.aspx

[Tamago]

those are 225 50 15 in the picture.

let's do the math :)

15X9 +36 (theoretical numbers follow)
Inboard: 150.3MM (actual 6.375" backspace)
Outboard: 78.3MM (actual 3.375" forwardspace)

(it's more, because a 9" wide wheel is actually wider than 9, per Brian at goodwinracing, closer to 9.75 total, so add 10mm to my inboard and outboard measurements above if you HAVE to have an exact measurement)

edit from 949racing.com 15x9 +36 12.7 lbs, 1.75" lip 6.375" backspace this confirms the wheel is about 9.75" total width



my setup, 15X8 +20 (front) +10 (rear) is as follows

front:
inboard 121.6MM
outboard 81.6MM

Rear:
inboard 111.6MM
outboard 91.6MM

(again, add about 10mm to each of those numbers for an exact)

if we both run a 225 tire, our overall tire width will be very close, however on a 225-45-15 you're going to "stretch" the tire more than me because of the slightly shorter sidewall.

i think outboard you should be OK, with some aggressive fender rolling and camber shims.

i will not comment on inboard as i don't know the hub-to-strut measurement up front and hub-to-trailing arm measurement in back. my guess is the rear will require spacers to clear the trailing arm. you can verify this by laying a straight edge across the brake drum (wheel off) and then using a tape measure to find the absolute shortest distance from the hub to the trailing arm (the xA and xB had a clearance hole welded in it that had a piece of tubing sticking out, the guys on 20's had to grind it down to avoid rubbing)

good luck, and i hope you do it!

remember, one-size-fits-all means it fits with no modifications required... One size fits YOUR car means you put in the work to make look great, and it will SHOW!

edit: buy one of these :) http://www.jegs.com/i/Percy%26%23039%3Bs/760/01201/10002/-1

[lilredrocket]

Thank you for the info but they are not 9" wheels they are 8". Oh and sorry I guess I should add that I already have the PG 13mm rear hub spacers installed. Also should I get spacers up front to help with the inboard? So with spacers installed the rear would be +23mm and thinking 10mm spacer up front for a +26mm

[Tamago]

Thank you for the info but they are not 9" wheels they are 8". Oh and sorry I guess I should add that I already have the PG 13mm rear hub spacers installed. Also should I get spacers up front to help with the inboard? So with spacers installed the rear would be +23mm and thinking 10mm spacer up front for a +26mm

oh crap lol

then to answer your question

you'll be just fine

give me a minute to re-work the numbers for you

[lilredrocket]

Haha. It's ok. I was reallly hoping that you were going to post on this because you info is always very helpful

[Tamago]

Haha. It's ok. I was reallly hoping that you were going to post on this because you info is always very helpful

that's goiing my sig :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[lilredrocket]

Your welcome. I'm sure I'm going to be bashed for saying it!!! Haha

[cali yaris]

no, you've got it right!
His INFO is always very helpful...knowledgable fellow. :biggrin:

[Tamago]

15x8 +36 12.3 lbs, 1.125" lip

5.875 backspacing
2.875 forwardspacing

if a 15X7 + 42 doesn't rub inboard then a 15X8 +36 will not either. plenty of inboard clearance front and rear (more inboard clearance than a 15X7 +42)

this does not take into account your choice of tire size. i honestly recommend running a 205 55 15, it's the proper height, and will minimize the amount of work you have to do to your fenders. if not, your fender liners will have to come out up front, and you'll want to do some tapping in back with a rubber mallet (the stock fender wells in the rear have funny shapes) as well as getting those rears rolled out a bit.

ok, on to outboard..

Kngrsll runs a +15 in rear, and rubs quite a lot with a 7" wide wheel and 195's

his theoretical outboard is 73.9MM (remember, its more like 83.9)

your theoretical outboard with 13MM pg spacers installed: 78.6MM (more like 88.6)

so you have 5MM more outboard then kngrsll.. WHEEL ONLY. obviously the wheel itself is not what's rubbing here though.

solutions for rear fitment:

camber shims in rear

run that 205 55 15 tire instead of the 225 45 15.. overall height of the 225 45 is less, but under compression it won't matter HOW short the tire is, it's gonna rub

roll the rear fenders.

worst case, take off the PG spacers (don't do it, i'll kill you!!!!!!!!!) lol


i think it can be done pretty easily!

and brian @ goodwinracing.com can definitely help you with a decent 205 55 tire. i've run 20something different 15" tires thru the years so if you have any questions about specific brands and styles lt me know.

[lilredrocket]

With that wide of a wheel won't a 205 look stretched? I have worked in a few tire shops and I like the look of a tire that is flush to the wheel. I still think I'm going to try the 225 unless you don't think it is worth the extra work. These are also not for looks and driving around they will be for auto-xing and track days too.

[cali yaris]

^ glad to see those wheels going on a Yaris, I've liked them since you first posted the link.

may still get a set for track tires

[Tamago]

^ glad to see those wheels going on a Yaris, I've liked them since you first posted the link.

may still get a set for track tires

i wanna see you rock the 15X9s.............................. mr moneybags :biggrin:

[Tamago]

With that wide of a wheel won't a 205 look stretched? I have worked in a few tire shops and I like the look of a tire that is flush to the wheel. I still think I'm going to try the 225 unless you don't think it is worth the extra work

more power to you if you buy the 225's

but they're gonna rub :)

you'll need a lot of rear camber and some work with a hammer to make them work. but DAMN it will look great.

[lilredrocket]

So what I'm looking at if I get the 225's is pulling and rolling the fenders, rear camber and maybe getting rid of my awsome rear spacers. Not sure if you saw it but would front spacers help me any?

[Tamago]

So what I'm looking at if I get the 225's is pulling and rolling the fenders, rear camber and maybe getting rid of my awsome rear spacers. Not sure if you saw it but would front spacers help me any?

no, front is fine

[Penguin Garage]

With that wide of a wheel won't a 205 look stretched? I have worked in a few tire shops and I like the look of a tire that is flush to the wheel. I still think I'm going to try the 225 unless you don't think it is worth the extra work. These are also not for looks and driving around they will be for auto-xing and track days too.

you'll be better off getting a wide 205 then a skinny 225.

remember not all tire sizes are the same.

the # on the side of the tire is the section width, tread width is what gives the "stretched" look (more so than section width).

meaning, a 205 with a wide tread width will look alot wider and have significantly less "stretch" then a 205 with a narrower tread width.

honestly i'd slap some 205s on there first for fitment testing (find some used take offs (miatas like 205/50s)).

this will give you a good idea if the 225s will work.

when going this wide you'll need to experiment, bit of risk involved.

look for extreme performance or R-COmps for the widest treadwidth. :)

[lilredrocket]

Ok cool. So will adding rear camber and hammering in the "lip" on the inside of the rear fender be enough or should I get a body shop to pull and roll the rears?

[Tamago]

i can get 205 50 15 used r comps btw :)

[lilredrocket]

^How much life left?

[AdeJong 03]

i can get 205 50 15 used r comps btw :)

is he gonna daily? that would be a great site lol

[Tamago]

is he gonna daily? that would be a great site lol

i used to daily on 225 45 15 Hoosier R6's :wub:

[Tamago]

^How much life left?

one season of autocross.

[lilredrocket]

How much for a set shipped to 76036? Just getting an idea

[Tamago]

How much for a set shipped to 76036? Just getting an idea

business or residential address?

[lilredrocket]

Res

[Tamago]

Res

probably more than you should spend on used tires then. UPS is very pricy on big boxes to residential addresses. the shipping will probably be as much as the tires (around $300 shipped total, for 4 Toyo R888 or RA1 205 50 15)

[lilredrocket]

I know with Fed-Ex you can slap a shipping lable on them and send it to me. I may talk to my buddies dad and see if he will let me have you ship it there

[Mouse]

http://www.clubroadster.net/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=20519

Scroll through the link posted to see various size tires on both the 15x8 and 15x9 6UL's. I personally think the 205/50 would look best on the 8". But thats me.

[Tamago]

I personally think the 205/50 would look best on the 8". But thats me.

it's a stretch that makes the tire useless in the rain, and makes it wear unevenly. pointless except for show.

i will rephrase that for you. a "wide" 205 will be fine. a typical street 205 is gonna look silly, and remember 205/50 is shorter than stock

[cali yaris]

USPS is forgiving on tires, you can just put the label right on them.

[lilredrocket]

I really don't like stretched at all. If I can get some R-compounds for a cheaper shipping rate through USPS and a little help from Tamago I will mount them up and if there is a stretch on them that I don't like then I'll put them on my steelies or sell them at an auto-x in my area and order the 225's. I'm not going for the HellaFlush look on my car I don't do car shows

[Keith Tinari]

205 50 is not going to look stretched at all. The sidewall has just enough meat providing you dont throw a set of generals on it or something shitty like that. I have Proxes4 in 205/50/15 on my 15x7.5s +32 with 5mm spacers and really have yet to rub more than a quick bite on a hard hard turn. For the sake of your wheels though if you are going to daily them. Put a street tire on and hope the shop installing knows half a thing or two about putting them on or you are going to have a nice set of gnarled ass 6uls. I would be sad. Especially if they are the black ones.

[lilredrocket]

They will be stock and if I have the slightest notion that the person mounting them up (tires on wheels) doesn't know what they are doing then I will take them and leave or ask to do it myself. As for putting them on the car they will be put on in my driveway hand torqued to spec. I personally think 225's on a Yaris would look sick as phuck!!!!:eyebulge::evil:

[TheRealEnth]

Yes it would

[Tamago]

Yes it would

bring your jack and lug wrench, let's get some 15X8 225/50/15 photos today :biggrin:

[Mouse]

I think it would look like shit unless you're running a 9" wide wheel

[lilredrocket]

I have run 225 on a 7" wide wheel and it looked very nice, but to each their own. Tamago and Enth please do and take lots of pics so I can see what all its going to take!!

[Tamago]

I think it would look like shit unless you're running a 9" wide wheel

:laugh:

[Tamago]

I have run 225 on a 7" wide wheel and it looked very nice, but to each their own. Tamago and Enth please do and take lots of pics so I can see what all its going to take!!

here's a hoosier (very wide) 225 45 15 on a 15X7 +23 (f) +13 (r)

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/fatherdutami/subalbum/PIC_1005.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/fatherdutami/subalbum/PIC_0984.jpg

[Mouse]

Lilredrocket.....How about you contact 949racing yourself and ask Emilio(owner) for the best tire size on the 6UL's....http://www.949racing.com/index.asp?PageAction=CONTACTUS

[Penguin Garage]

Lilredrocket.....How about you contact 949racing yourself and ask Emilio(owner) for the best tire size on the 6UL's....http://www.949racing.com/index.asp?PageAction=CONTACTUS

it's a wheel. it's not rocket science.

[lilredrocket]

If you look at the link that I posted from www.good-win-racing.com in the first post it says what the recommened tire size is. So I just thought I would ask the community what they thought there are a few very helpful people on here Look throught this thread you will see which ones they are because they have posted the most in.

Tamago that setup looks sick to bad its on a Scion... I kid. I kid haha. Even with they way it looks on your car is VERY NICE A+