Cash for clunkers kills nice cars like this!

[Cutie Pie #2]

Just thought I'd share this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SXA1oZnj98

[TheRealEnth]

Well the program wasn't there to decide to kill cars that look ugly and keep ones that people like... Because that is all a matter of opinion, Its there for a reason and it's doing just that. So many people are driving new cars because of it. People should stop bashing on obama and the program itself. Ignorance is bliss

[Yaris Hilton]

Bash away! Cash for Clunkers is a stupid idea and it sucks!
It's also about to end.
:tongue:

[Altitude]

In all the years that Hollywood has been trashing perfectly good cars for a movie, not one peep about the shame of it all. Institute a policy that destroys cars to help the economy and the ecosystem, such an atrocity!!

Give me a break.

[Yaris Hilton]

I've groaned and yelled about Hollywood's car destruction pretty much every time I've seen it. Especially when they do some crash scene with a real classic. But even they have a better justification for it than the $#@%^& CFC program!

[bigbang]

indeed
Ignorance is bliss

[IllusionX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj5gzvGnGP4

not a land cruiser!!! damn

[Shroomster]

what about nhtsa and other testing that drive cost up when vehicles get destroyed in the name of safety?

[Zefoxe]

In all the years that Hollywood has been trashing perfectly good cars for a movie, not one peep about the shame of it all. Institute a policy that destroys cars to help the economy and the ecosystem, such an atrocity!!

Give me a break.

Help what economy? Tax payers are the ones paying for it, even the ones that don't use or plan on having automobiles... :thumbdown: If it was giving money just on hybrids then maybe the ecosystem but people can use the program to get mustangs lol don't see how thats helping.

Rebate would have probably been better spent on giving it to mass transit users.

[tomato]

Personally, I think scraping ANY car is sad, but maybe I'm old school, I DNK

I had the opportunity to scrape my old Honda for $650 (I got a letter from some governmental agency telling me that cars that age (she was 22 y old, almost 23) need to leave the road and make room for more efficient cars, blah, blah, so unless it's a classic car, would I please consider ... blah blah) but I traded her in instead for less money because I was hoping that she might be recycled and perhaps sold to some kid for a couple hundred dollars somewhere. She was running, just needed a little mechanical help and more TLC than I could give her. The thought of that poor car being compressed into a cube at some junkyard just didn't seat well with me. :cry:

Here is something that'll make you all feel better if you think old cars deserve some respect :smile:: the story of Suzie the little blue coupe (10 minutes but so cute, I think it's worth it, probably was written by a car lover) .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pxap-M_--k

I can't comment on the cash for clunker program, though, I have mixed feelings about it and I'm trying real hard to keep my political views out of this forum :wink:

[kac]

The commentary on that first video is pretty funny.

[TheRealEnth]

the destruction of this cars IS obama's fault. this is not an effective way to deal with a recession and environmentally its wrong. someone that isn't terribly rich would have greatly enjoyed that BMW. that's part of being an American, the ability to drive a car that was expensive when it was new for relatively cheap. someone that is lower middle class might want to have a BMW, they should be able to buy one if that's their dream. this is not right.

Always blaming shit on Obama. And He says it like Noone can ever find that BMW again on the internet for sale!!! SUCH A TRAGEDY NOBODY CAN OWN A BMW IF THEY ARE LOWER MIDDLE CLASS NOW NOOOOOOO! Lmao, people are being ignorant again.

What is the voucher 4500, that car is worth more then 4500, no ?
120k miles, I wouldve given him 5 grand

people say they would have given 5 grand... Then again people on yarisworld SAY they would pay 4grand for a working turbo kit, AND ITS AVAILABLE yet there is still hesitancy to buy it... hmmmmmm

obama s legacy.... dont forget about this crap when re-election comes around...

So you would rather vote for the other president because THIS ONE IS NO GOOD, cause he junks old cars!!! WHO CARES about the other important reasons to elect a president!

[advocate]

Regardless of your political views, the fact remains that people who don't make enough money and have to rely on buying old used cars with high mileage that have been maintained well for a means of transportation are really screwed by the program.

And it hurts emotionally to see beautiful cars go into the trash can, which is the source of all these videos mourning nice older cars.

Don't forgot Enth that men are always rather sympathetic towards their mechanical toys, that's why we refer to them as women to help us justify our feelings of attachment.

[JustAnotherAsian]

damn. that would've been a nice swap for an e30. rare I6 in the states.

[DevilGirl]

While I cannot argue with any of you regarding the trashing/crushing of nicer older cars, the program has helped some in a lot of ways. My boyfriend and his mom had twin Jeeps (95 Grand Chereokees). Hers, while it had less miles than his (I think around 1200k), the tranny was slipping on hers. The car was only worth maybe $1000, and to replace the tranny woulda been $2000 on the low end of the scale. ($1000 normal worth as trade-in < $4500 trade-in through program)

So in their case, they were able to trade in a car that was not worth fixing, and get a new car that has an EPA rating of approximately 20mpg more than what they were getting with the Jeep (Jeep = 15; Jetta Sportwagen TDI = 35).

[Yaris Hilton]

I'm not attacking Obama, Enth. I rather like the guy. I'm just attacking the wasteful stupidity of destroying good functional used cars. And paying for it with my tax money. In addition to hurting me in that manner, it hurts those who can't afford shiny new American cars, even with a government trade-in rebate, independent used car dealers whose staples of trade are the "clunkers," auto recyclers and rebuilders who only get scrap metal value for these since the engines must be destroyed and the cars must be shredded or crushed. I'm sure I've left some other classes of "losers" out. Oh yeah, new car dealers who haven't received their payments and may never, for one.

[tomato]

No love for my video? :cry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pxap-M_--k

[47_MasoN_47]

I used the cash for clunkers program, but the way I see it I didn't really save any money. I paid that $4500 5 times over in the few years I've been working, and most of the tax money has gone to wasteful stupid programs and salaries for career politicians who care about nothing but votes. I don't like Obama one bit (I don't agree with any of his policies), and I didn't like Bush much either (dirty patriot act, liberty stealing bastage). Personally, all politicians suck, though some suck more than others.

I also gripe about Hollywood destroying good cars. In Batman when the Lambo got wrecked, that was enough to actually make me cry. I hate seeing vehicles destroyed anyway, and it was very hard for me to walk away from the dealership and leave my poor little Ranger (even though it caught on fire when I used it and all sorts of things) behind to be killed. After 6 years I grew attached to that little truck and have like 23940392043 pictures of it saved.

RIP little buddy...
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c305/m450n/IMG00041.jpg

[TheRealEnth]

Alright I understand that sympathetic thing... You don't think i feel the same? You don't think the car is a she to me? But its just i can't believe people are being so whiny. Its like bitching about some people dieing overseas by a different country, yet no one gave a crap about rwanda.. and yes that lambo in batman was sweet... but would the movie have been just as good if they have the whole lambo in cg? NO, if the tumbler was CG, would it have been as good? NO! and you know that. And im not here to discuss political views.. Its impossible to convince someone that one person is better than the other. But what can i do is try to convince you that this program helps a lot of people.

If you are saying poor people have to buy crappy old junkies to head to work with, they are still there... This program isn't as effective as it should be. You can still go on craigslist and easily find old cars. If you actually know how to shop for a car too... you can still find a car for less then 4500 that will give you low to no problems.. And IF you can afford a decent down payment and have a decent amount of credit... the yaris comes out to 200-300 a month... i mean... unless ur working at bk or have 2+kids... you should be able to pay for that, insurance, and house and food. unless you are one of those people who have more than they can afford. HUGE HOUSE crappy car/NICE CAR crappy house.

[tomato]

I hate seeing vehicles destroyed anyway, and it was very hard for me to walk away from the dealership and leave my poor little Ranger (even though it caught on fire when I used it and all sorts of things) behind to be killed. After 6 years I grew attached to that little truck and have like 23940392043 pictures of it saved.

RIP little buddy...


I hear ya. I had a really hard time when I left behind my old Honda, which I had owned for .. 17 years!!! :cry: :cry::brokenheart: Seriously, it took me like about 3 months to get over it. Part of me still wonders if I did the right thing by trading it in, but what's done is done :iono:

On the other hand, I like being able to take off whenever, wherever, without having to worry about the car not making it to its destination :biggrin:
:burnrubber:

[Altitude]

Ok. Let's think about this... using an estimate of 140 million tax returns for 2008 (based on 2006 data of 134mil. I couldn't find an accurate figure for 2008) and the cost of the 3bil CFC program and assuming the burden is equally distributed amongst tax payers we each will pay $21.43 for this program. Quit yer bitchin.

So, now take that 3bil and divide it by the amount of the rebate to determine how many cars get junked as a result of this program (I can't find any actual numbers so this is the easiest way to figure it out.) Let's use the lower rebate number - $3500.00 - to provide a high estimate of the number of cars junked - this works out to about 857,000 cars that will get junked. The number of registered passenger vehicles on the road is 251mil. So what's the percentage of used cars that will go missing never to be used again? .003%

I suppose I can understand the emotional aspect of it as Americans definitely have a love affair with automobiles. I just wish the people expending energy to bash this program would be more concerned about the millions of people that have no healthcare or go bankrupt due to illness or simply die because they can't afford a doctor.

Hmmm... dead car <-> dead person... Priorities people, priorities.

[TheRealEnth]

^ Thank you jesus, or more specifically altitude lmao, someones got my back on this

[tomato]

I suppose I can understand the emotional aspect of it as Americans definitely have a love affair with automobiles. I just wish the people expending energy to bash this program would be more concerned about the millions of people that have no healthcare or go bankrupt due to illness or simply die because they can't afford a doctor.
.

:clap::clap::respekt:

NOW you're talking!!! :bow:

[brotan1x]

I fear the buying will stop after CfC ends..

CfC is getting rid of the cars that were cheap to buy and easy to come by. In the long run.. More and more dealers are closing their doors because they either lost their franchise or sales weren't good enough.. THe cost of a new car is going to go up. Competition will disapear and before we know it there will be one good used car lot and one new car lot.. Both will want you to sign over your house, give 2 pints of blood, and all your left socks before you get a loan. But at least the mileage will be 230MPG

[TheRealEnth]

bro because of the cash for clunkers, more people bought new cars... cheap to buy and easy to come by IS STILL THERE, we already discussed this.

[brotan1x]

forgive me.. I was looking further down the road... Not today..

[tomato]

New car today = tomorrow's clunker

[Yaris Hilton]

I suppose I can understand the emotional aspect of it as Americans definitely have a love affair with automobiles. I just wish the people expending energy to bash this program would be more concerned about the millions of people that have no healthcare or go bankrupt due to illness or simply die because they can't afford a doctor.

It's not either/or. I'm a lot more fired up about that than about CFC. And thoroughly disgusted at the lies and FUD being spread by the shills for the health insurance companies! I work with this stuff every day.

[frownonfun]

have any of you saying this is a big waste of resources tried to sell a car recently? a shitty old one at that? nobody is buying shit cause nobody has any friggin money. don't see how this doesn't help try and solve some problems.

and just like TheRealEnth pointed out, it's not like every old POS car is off the road now. poor folks can still get their hands on some crappy ass rides that no one wants. my sister for example has a 10 year old malibu with 165,000 miles on it. it is a piece of crap chevy but still doesn't qualify for CFC. you think anybody is beating down her door trying to take that POS off her hands? no. but if someone wants to tell me where all these poor folks are that are buying up old POS cars please let me know.

[talnlnky]

In all the years that Hollywood has been trashing perfectly good cars for a movie, not one peep about the shame of it all. Institute a policy that destroys cars to help the economy and the ecosystem, such an atrocity!!

Give me a break.

no joke... plus.... if this car was "such a nice car"... the owner would be able to sell it for $4500 or more.... in which case the person is a d-bag for making a bad financial decision.