Racerfreak's Suspension

[RacerFreakXXX]

This is what I have so far, I have had my springs for a while but wanted to wait for my sway bar before I installed them. I have everything now and will be installing them sometime in the next week or two. So far I have AOE TigerTech lowering springs and Ultra Racing 23mm rear sway bar. I'll keep an update on how the springs and the sway bar compare. I measured a 3" gap on my front tire and 3.5" gap on my rear tire. This isn't 100% accurate but I know I'm only of by 1/4 of an inch give or take.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m14/racerfreakxxx/my%20car/IMG_0002.jpg

[Tamago]

best measurement is from the ground up, not from the tire to the fender.

looks like you have half a start to a decent suspension. get some struts and shocks before you install those springs

[AdeJong 03]

best measurement is from the ground up, not from the tire to the fender.

looks like you have half a start to a decent suspension. get some struts and shocks before you install those springs

+2349057809345

or else youre gonna have to the exact same thing again to install the struts. HUGE waste of time and money

lookin good so far though!

[RacerFreakXXX]

Are you kidding, I got quoted at $300-700 from shops to install springs. I'm gonna install them myself, just gonna rent some spring compressors and I have a few mechanic friends who said they would lend me their garage and tools and help. Oh and I'm not buying shocks because I'm going to buy coilovers, these are just for the next year or two.

[Tamago]

you don't need a spring compressor :)

make sure to take off your wiper tray, it'll make those front struts so much easier!

[MUSKOKA800]

To simplify the process, install the swaybar only after changing out both rear springs.
And yes, without upgrading the dampers and depending on the rates of the new springs you do run the risk of pogoing down the road, ultra-rice style.

[Speedjunkiejp]

Like Tamago said, a spring compressor is not needed going from stock to lowered. the springs are shorter and will not need compressing to put the top hat on. Taking the top hat off just use air gun and stand back LOL. This is the funnest part IMO to installing springs.

[detroiter]

I'm running AOE TigerTecs, UR 23mm rear sway bar and Tokico Blues. Your going to LOVE the setup if you throw on the shocks as well. Be careful though, you might start eating through tires from having way too much fun once you learn how it handles ;)

[MUSKOKA800]

Like Tamago said, a spring compressor is not needed going from stock to lowered. the springs are shorter and will not need compressing to put the top hat on. Taking the top hat off just use air gun and stand back LOL. This is the funnest part IMO to installing springs.


I chose to spend $30.00 (on sale) for a quality compressor and keep my teeth intact. :biggrin:

[Tamago]

I chose to spend $30.00 (on sale) for a quality compressor and keep my teeth intact. :biggrin:

you can rent them for free from your local auto parts store.

[kngrsll]

if you buy good struts, you wont need coilovers in a year.

what is the advantage to getting coilovers in a year?

[Tamago]

if you buy good struts, you wont need coilovers in a year.

what is the advantage to getting coilovers in a year?

agreed. no one ever adjusts them 'for height' like they think they will. set it and forget it.

a cheap set of coilovers (ksport, megan, tein basic) will have struts that are similar to garbage, whereas buying a nice set of tokicos (or in my case, thank you Ken, koni yellows) puts you in premium strut-land.


if you're buying coilovers just to buy coilovers, you might as well buy some KW V3's lol

[kngrsll]

agreed. no one ever adjusts them 'for height' like they think they will. set it and forget it.

a cheap set of coilovers (ksport, megan, tein basic) will have struts that are similar to garbage, whereas buying a nice set of tokicos (or in my case, thank you Ken, koni yellows) puts you in premium strut-land.


if you're buying coilovers just to buy coilovers, you might as well buy some KW V3's lol

and if you are getting blues, i would buy xD blues, they have got to be stiffer. i love my tokicos, they beat the hell out of me lol

[RacerFreakXXX]

for coilovers I was considering silk road, cusco zero-one, or tein super compact if i could get my hands on some. You are right I may like it better with struts but i want to have .5 clearance.

Why do a lot of people act like i'll blow a strut within the first month of having them on stock struts? I thought there were plenty of people out there with springs on stock struts for a year plus?

[AdeJong 03]

for coilovers I was considering silk road, cusco zero-one, or tein super compact if i could get my hands on some. You are right I may like it better with struts but i want to have .5 clearance.

Why do a lot of people act like i'll blow a strut within the first month of having them on stock struts? I thought there were plenty of people out there with springs on stock struts for a year plus?

i think youll realize that you wont really want to spend the money on coils once you get a correctly set up spring/shock/strut combo

youre not gonna enjoy the full effects of getting springs if this is just a temporary fix

why do you want coils? for height adjustment?

[detroiter]

We are all suggesting you get the Tokicos or a performing shock/strut because your better off doing it right the first time around and not half assing it, since you already have some good springs and rear sway bar to throw on. Trust me, if you get the Tokico shocks/struts, you'll have the same exact set up that I'm running and you WON'T be sorry. Ever wonder what it's like to piss off some people with some more "expensive, sporty" cars in the turns? You'll find out soon enough if you go with upgrading the shocks/struts as well.

[AdeJong 03]

We are all suggesting you get the Tokicos or a performing shock/strut because your better off doing it right the first time around and not half assing it, since you already have some good springs and rear sway bar to throw on. Trust me, if you get the Tokico shocks/struts, you'll have the same exact set up that I'm running and you WON'T be sorry. Ever wonder what it's like to piss off some people with some more "expensive, sporty" cars in the turns? You'll find out soon enough if you go with upgrading the shocks/struts as well.

+1

i could already do it stock. now i dont have to try as hard LOL

[RacerFreakXXX]

Yea, for $320 shipped you really can't go wrong, maybe I can hold off a bit for the shocks... however I am going to get coilovers for maily being able to change dampening rates. Does anyone know exactly what you reuse on the stock struts? I may just buy those parts so I can swap my stock suspension in for winter.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Yeah, I like my TRD shocks/S.Tech springs combo. But like I've said, I can really use a rear sway bar.

[MUSKOKA800]

you can rent them for free from your local auto parts store.


True, but my local stores tool was damaged and with no replacement on the horizon.
So for a measly $30.00 I have the tool inhand and can do the job at my leisure, not just when it's available (often booked out). Plus now I have it to share with other local enthusiasts.

[Tamago]

yes, it's useful if you're working on cars other than yarii, but it's completely unnecessary when installing lowering springs :biggrin:

[scape]

is there any benefit to upgrading the shocks without getting new springs? I'm not sure I want to lower my car, I practically bottom out in and around town; and sometimes go off road; but want a bit of finer touch on the handling

[Tamago]

is there any benefit to upgrading the shocks without getting new springs? I'm not sure I want to lower my car, I practically bottom out in and around town; and sometimes go off road; but want a bit of finer touch on the handling

absolutely, upgrading struts/shocks with stock springs will handle BETTER than a yaris on lowering springs and stock struts/shocks :)

[Lafiro]

Alright, so I am a victim of stock shocks/struts ( Which are dead now ), but I have TRD springs installed.

So what should I do for a good ride, quality? Change my springs? Or keep them and get the Tokico Blues?

[Tamago]

if you like the drop, keep the springs you have. definitely get some up-rated shocks/struts

kyb GR2's are another good-yet-cheap alternative to stock struts.

around $220 + shipping from tirerack

[Lafiro]

I like the drop, a LOT.
I like the handling, I just don't like how rough they are. I was wondering if I changed them to NF210's, and some Tokico shocks, maybe it would be better, or thats just a bad combination. If so, I will just go ahead and purchase the Tokico's and keep the TRD's I have now.

Its that the streets here in NYC, SUCK. So many bumps, and potholes. Unfixed for years in lots of locations that people drive through everyday unfortunately.

I would just want the car to remain on the floor, and not allow the tires to bounce off the floor causing jolts to go through the car, and slight loss of traction while in turns(highway speed), especially on wet floors.

[largeorangefont]

Don't waste your money with NF210s, they are about the same rate and height as TRD springs. You will but them on and feel no difference.

You can get KYB GR2s if you want a stock replacement, or get the Tokico Blues if you want something a bit stiffer.

I like the drop, a LOT.
I like the handling, I just don't like how rough they are. I was wondering if I changed them to NF210's, and some Tokico shocks, maybe it would be better, or thats just a bad combination. If so, I will just go ahead and purchase the Tokico's and keep the TRD's I have now.

Its that the streets here in NYC, SUCK. So many bumps, and potholes. Unfixed for years in lots of locations that people drive through everyday unfortunately.

I would just want the car to remain on the floor, and not allow the tires to bounce off the floor causing jolts to go through the car, and slight loss of traction while in turns(highway speed), especially on wet floors.

[RacerFreakXXX]

detroiter do you have any pics of your car with the springs and struts? I'd love to see what it looks like.

[kngrsll]

it will look the same with struts... the ride height wont change.

[frownonfun]

yes, it's useful if you're working on cars other than yarii, but it's completely unnecessary when installing lowering springs :biggrin:

can you stop saying compressors are completely unnecessary. they are a safe way to get the stock spring off the stock strut. not sure how that is unnecessary. were u able to do it without hurting yourself? maybe. but that doesn't make it safe.

[detroiter]

detroiter do you have any pics of your car with the springs and struts? I'd love to see what it looks like.



I'll take a couple for you tomorrow morning. Supposed to be a nice sunny day so shouldn't be a problem :)

[Tamago]

can you stop saying compressors are completely unnecessary. they are a safe way to get the stock spring off the stock strut. not sure how that is unnecessary. were u able to do it without hurting yourself? maybe. but that doesn't make it safe.

i've done at least 40 spring installs without a spring compressor and NEVER been injured.

my technique is simple, safe, and saves time over monkeying around with compressors.

by the way i own a spring compressor set, and do use it when necessary, but it's simply not needed on a car as light as the yaris.

[kngrsll]

I have gotten away with it too. I have had some hairy moments with out one (ie strut ended up about 30 feet away :eek: lol) but in general, you dont need one.

[detroiter]

RacerFreak....Here's those pics I promised you I'd take this morning.

Aoe TigerTec Springs, Tokico Blue shocks/struts, Ultra Racing 23mm Sway bar

Like I said, it's a very tasteful drop. It's not a 4x4 and it's not slammed either.
I'm very pleased with the springs and matched up with the Tokicos and UR sway bar,
it's a killer combination. I really do suggest you just getting the shocks so you can
do it right the first time and make it that much better as well.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/maidenfan84/DSC00733.jpg
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http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/maidenfan84/DSC00731.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/maidenfan84/DSC00735.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y104/maidenfan84/DSC00736.jpg

[RacerFreakXXX]

your car looks great thank you. I'm kinda debating about getting rid of the springs now and getting bc coils... but I have to really think about it.

[detroiter]

In all honesty, like a few other stated as well, you more than likely will just set the coilovers on a setting and never change them again. It's a lot of money to spend on something you might only mess with very sparingly. Before spending alot of money on coilovers, I HIGHLY suggest you spend the $300, which is nothing compared to a decent set of coilovers, see how you like the setup (of which I'm sure you would love it!) before spending that kind of amount.

[AdeJong 03]

can you stop saying compressors are completely unnecessary. they are a safe way to get the stock spring off the stock strut. not sure how that is unnecessary. were u able to do it without hurting yourself? maybe. but that doesn't make it safe.

i just did my suspension the other day and it came off completely fine. i rented a spring compressor and it ended up being a complete waste of time (not money since rental is free)

[regal]

In all honesty, like a few other stated as well, you more than likely will just set the coilovers on a setting and never change them again. It's a lot of money to spend on something you might only mess with very sparingly. Before spending alot of money on coilovers, I HIGHLY suggest you spend the $300, which is nothing compared to a decent set of coilovers, see how you like the setup (of which I'm sure you would love it!) before spending that kind of amount.


Are there springs available with rates as high as coilovers? I wish my TRD springs were stiffer, but don't know that my Tokico Blues could handle a stiffer spring. Looking back, I think coilovers may make a lot of sense for the Yaris.

[detroiter]

Well as far as I know, the AOE TigerTec springs are the hightest spring rate available right now for lowering springs, not comparing to coilovers. The TigerTecs are 4k front and 3k in the rear. From my guess, they are a great bit stiffer than the TRD springs. Anyone care to chime in that knows for sure?

[Lafiro]

I wonder if there is any way to modify that torsion beam? in the back of our cars so that we can cut it in the middle, and attach it to the car in some other fashion. This way we get truely independant rear suspension. It has always been a thought. ugh the amount of stuff I want to do to my car is rediculous. I can't keep thinking at about this stuff lol.

[rob323]

I wonder if there is any way to modify that torsion beam? in the back of our cars so that we can cut it in the middle, and attach it to the car in some other fashion. This way we get truely independant rear suspension. It has always been a thought. ugh the amount of stuff I want to do to my car is rediculous. I can't keep thinking at about this stuff lol.
Not easily due to the pivot point being located infront of the beam. You may as well fabricate a whole new rear beam setup from scratch instead.

[frownonfun]

i just did my suspension the other day and it came off completely fine. i rented a spring compressor and it ended up being a complete waste of time (not money since rental is free)

ok fair enough. i just don't think everyone necessarily knows what they are doing if it's their first time doing this. and plus since they are free and take less than 5 mins to put on i don't see the harm in using them. but if you guys are absolutely sure no one could ever possibly hurt themselves taking off the yaris stock springs then i'll shut up. i just personally would never count out the possibility.

[lilredrocket]

Racer. You said you were thinking about getting coils. Do you want them for adjusting the Dampning of the shocks if so them look the the Tokico HTS shocks and struts more than the standard pair but worth it too!!

[Tamago]

independant rear trailing arm is still garbage. it serves no purpose, and the fact that you'd have to put a big F.U. rear swaybar, so you're not independant anymore anyway. your alignment problems associated with trailing arm still exist.

add that to the extra weight required to pull it off and you've just done a pointless mod.

edit:

Volkswagen rabbit/gti is the godfather of the trailing arm rear suspension. if VW could have improved on it by now, they would have. the R32 rear suspension is essentially what you'd be doing if you cut your beam in half, however, they add another control arm to the mix.

[RacerFreakXXX]

Racer. You said you were thinking about getting coils. Do you want them for adjusting the Dampning of the shocks if so them look the the Tokico HTS shocks and struts more than the standard pair but worth it too!!

do they even make those shocks for the car? I actually wanted only about .5-1" clearance and wanted to be able to adjust the dampening. I'm going to get the tokico blue's and see how I feel about the car with them on.

[lilredrocket]

Don't get the blues then the HTSs (reds) ask Garm I believe he can get the reds they are a little over double the cost of blues I think. Kngrsll has the reds on his car

[RacerFreakXXX]

rofl... a little over double the cost is about $700 and for tripple I can get BC coilovers. My original intention was to get coilovers but I got springs for temp cuz they are cheap but I'd rather get blue's and get coilovers later than pay that much for struts.

[detroiter]

After you get the blues and throw all your goodies on, you might just end up keeping that setup. Never know!

[RacerFreakXXX]

exactly... I'm gonna get 5zigen fn01r-c 16x7 +33 with 10mm penguin spacers on the rear :D soI'll see how the setup looks with the drop.

[kngrsll]

i love my shocks and springs, i wouldnt trade them for any coilover i have seen yet. i cant wait to try out some of the stiffer rear Fit springs. it handles really well with the stock rear fit springs on it now.

[RacerFreakXXX]

Well for starters I am seriously considering the Tokico HTS Adjustable Shocks but I can't find them for less than $800 and for $100 more I can buy coilovers so I think that will be the best option. Now do I go with megan coilovers (5kf/6kr) or bc coilovers (6kf/3kr)?

[RacerFreakXXX]

o0o another question... are 16x8 +35 with 205/50r16 tires too wide (worried about the wheel scrapping the suspension not the fender.

[Tamago]

o0o another question... are 16x8 +35 with 205/50r16 tires too wide (worried about the wheel scrapping the suspension not the fender.

it won't scrape on the inboard.

[RacerFreakXXX]

tamango, i feel like you are one of the few people here with any knowledge of this stuff and I might as well just be pm'ing you, lol... thanks for the info.

[Tamago]

tamango, i feel like you are one of the few people here with any knowledge of this stuff and I might as well just be pm'ing you, lol... thanks for the info.


mathematically they fit. here's why.

we know that a 7" wide +45mm does not rub.

add 25.4MM (divided by two, 13mm for argument's sake)

subtract 10mm (35 offset instead of 45 offset)

and you're 3mm more "inset" than a 7" wide wheel in a +45 offset

you're also 23mm more outboard than a 7" +45MM

but with a bit of camber, and the right tire size you should be able to make it fit with cosmetic-only rubbing (rubbing that will not damage your tires or metal in any way, and can most likely be removed by blistering your fender liners with a spoon heated under a butane torch). KNGRSLL has proven that a 7" +25mm ( only 3mm less "poke" than your proposed setup) fits with only cosmetic rubbing and has even added PG spacers with minimal rub (but not ideal)

i say do it. please run at least a 205 tire though, no stupid stretch please. if you can, get a 215 40 16 i think it should be a common enough size.

[RacerFreakXXX]

I'm gonna grab some 16x8 +34 Rota Slipstream Flat Black and run penguin 10mm spacers in the rear with camber bolts in the front. For tires I'm going to go with Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec 205/50R16. I'm not going to bother buying them now with winter so near, but For the price and weight you can't beat it. I'm going to buy the Tokico Blues after my next paycheck, install everything and grab some decent snows.

[Tamago]

sounds good, very good setup.

but why not 15's ?

[Tamago]

you can do 15X8's (yes, yes, like mine) for $104 a copy and they're lighter than the slips. tires will be cheaper too!

http://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/trm/swap/trm_c1_ltgry_ci3_l.jpg

[RacerFreakXXX]

thank you, I am going with 16's mainly for looks... I find 15's make the tires look too beefy. I'm not too worried about the weight because it's a daily driver and I'm not planing on racing with the car.

[Tamago]

thank you, I am going with 16's mainly for looks... I find 15's make the tires look too beefy. I'm not too worried about the weight because it's a daily driver and I'm not planing on racing with the car.

then why are you buying rota slipstreams? that's one of the ugliest wheels ever :laugh: if you're going for looks find something that's at least a LITTLE good looking.

[RacerFreakXXX]

what wheels are those 15's? I feel the slipstreams look good in the black.

[Tamago]

the slipstreams were outdated 5 years ago. any wheel looks good in black. those wheels in the pic are TR motorsports C1's .

http://www.aggressivefitment.com/blogviewpost_105a72af-92db-4dee-a85d-6101158fbacd.aspx

here they are painted bronze by me.

[RacerFreakXXX]

i can't seem to find a place that sells them in multiple sizes.

[Tamago]

i can't seem to find a place that sells them in multiple sizes.

which wheels, the rotas?

for the TR motorsports, go to www.tirerack.com

use this car:

1990 BMW 325i

as your search car.

[RacerFreakXXX]

I'm definitely going with the slipstreams because +20 in the front is too big imo.

[Tamago]

I'm definitely going with the slipstreams because +20 in the front is too big imo.

if you are patient i'll prove that wrong :biggrin: i'll mount my setup on a yaris, just for you.

[RacerFreakXXX]

well I also plan on grabbing some coilovers in the next year and having about .5" gap, I don't doubt they wont fit on a yaris with reasonable gap but I want to go for stretched/ slammed look.

[Tamago]

i'm thru here.

[RacerFreakXXX]

lol, I expected that reaction... It's just my style, I love the look of a slammed car with stretched tires.

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Jacco%20Willemsen/Random%20Shots/lowfall.jpg

[cali yaris]

nice pic. racer, you get to have it EXACTLY the way you want it. It's your car.

[RacerFreakXXX]

rofl... garm out of nowhere.

I think I'm having a harder time deciding if I want to go turbo or buy a 240.

[AdeJong 03]

what kind of 240?

i love silvias.. had a turbo kouki s14 not too long ago

hey tamago do those wheels you have come in 16x8 too? im digging the concave face

[RacerFreakXXX]

I want a 93, preferably a coupe but if it's in good condition I"ll take it. Who doesn't love a good silvia.

As far as I know they don't come in that size, I checked like crazy on google for them otherwise I would reconsider the slipstreams.

[RacerFreakXXX]

I'm thinking about getting Konig retracks 15x7.5 with drezza star spec 195/55R15 for spring/summer/fall... what do you guys think?

[Tamago]

I'm thinking about getting Konig retracks 15x7.5 with drezza star spec 195/55R15 for spring/summer/fall... what do you guys think?

why so wide for so skinny?

[kngrsll]

I'm thinking about getting Konig retracks 15x7.5 with drezza star spec 195/55R15 for spring/summer/fall... what do you guys think?

i approve, although if you dont mind spending the cash, you can get a 225/50/15 Toyo R1R instead. should also fit well on that wheel. That R1R is supposed to be the only tire better than the star specs, but i think they are a bit more expensive.

i love my star specs, ill be buying another set of 195/15/15's soon. they were great on the track/autox/street

[RacerFreakXXX]

I was actually also considering 205/50R15 if I go with Toyo R1R... how are the toyo's in the rain?

[kngrsll]

I was actually also considering 205/50R15 if I go with Toyo R1R... how are the toyo's in the rain?

no idea... check out tirerack.com to see if they have anything to say about that. i would imagine they are fine, they look like they would be due to the tread pattern.

[cali yaris]

R1R's are on my car, wow they are amazing. I figure they will last 4 months.

[kngrsll]

R1R's are on my car, wow they are amazing. I figure they will last 4 months.

LOL... yeah, i have heard they dont last that long. i have even heard that the actual compound happens to be the same thing they use in the R888s. i havent looked into it myself.

[RacerFreakXXX]

So I'm torn between these two setups:

-Megan Racing Coilovers

or

-Tokico HTS Adjustable Shocks & Tein Springs

The coilovers are about $60 more expensinve and have to be lubed frequently so they don't corrode in the winter, but are stiffer and will give me the exact drop I want.

[RacerFreakXXX]

I've decided to go with coiloves, now I need to find good ones. My limit is 1k, i'd like to get something that can drop 2.5" - 3" and is rated about 5-6k all around.

[cali yaris]

megans or tein basics for your budget and drop needs

[jekqmb]

lol, I expected that reaction... It's just my style, I love the look of a slammed car with stretched tires.

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Jacco%20Willemsen/Random%20Shots/lowfall.jpg

Wait for my car to be done in another month so you can see how it looks and if you like the look of the old school VW style, it will look just like that dub stance wise....3" drop on 15x8 bassetts 19mm offset with a 185 stretched on them for show.Rolled and pulled fenders along with -3" camber in the rear and -1.5 in the front.:thumbup:

[RacerFreakXXX]

nom nom nom... I already know I'm doing a 2.5-3" drop on 16" maxims 16x7.5 +35 with penguin spacers in the rear. My thing hear is coilovers, Some people say the megans are good but some say they suck. I'd spend $100-200 more for something that is a bit better like BC Racing coilovers or H&R coilovers or Tein Basic coilovers.

[detroiter]

I absolutely love that VW. Sadly though, it would NOT last long in Michigan with that kind of drop :(

[jekqmb]

Hey i got the Silk Roads on mine and love them, picked them up used on ebay for 1100 bucks!!!!

[RacerFreakXXX]

I'd be lucky to find used good coilovers for a yaris or xd

[Tamago]

nom nom nom... I already know I'm doing a 2.5-3" drop on 16" maxims 16x7.5 +35 with penguin spacers in the rear. My thing hear is coilovers, Some people say the megans are good but some say they suck. I'd spend $100-200 more for something that is a bit better like BC Racing coilovers or H&R coilovers or Tein Basic coilovers.

dude, Megan and BC come out of the same factory.

why not build a set? :D

[RacerFreakXXX]

lol... build a set?

I may just save and see if I can get some STD Coiloves with adjustable pillowball mounts, I saw some for an xd

[RacerFreakXXX]

So I've decided on TK HTS Reds, AOE Tiger Tech's, TRMotorsports C1 15x8 silver, Dunlop Drezza Star Spec 205/55R15, & Penguin 13mm Spacers

I'm going to order the tires from tire rack unless my job can get them cheaper, I know they can... the problem is if they can get them, lol.

[kngrsll]

So I've decided on TK HTS Reds, AOE Tiger Tech's, TRMotorsports C1 15x8 silver, Dunlop Drezza Star Spec 205/55R15, & Penguin 13mm Spacers

I'm going to order the tires from tire rack unless my job can get them cheaper, I know they can... the problem is if they can get them, lol.

that sounds like an awesome set up...

[Yoda]

thats some wide tires hope ya dont rub

[RacerFreakXXX]

nope.. i'll be fine on a stiff dampening. I found it's cheaper to get the tires with the wheels from tire rack so i'm going to order them tonight and not bother with tpms sensors.

[kngrsll]

nope.. i'll be fine on a stiff dampening. I found it's cheaper to get the tires with the wheels from tire rack so i'm going to order them tonight and not bother with tpms sensors.

you will have a slight stretch too... does the star spec come in 205 now? it used to be 195/55/15 only

[RacerFreakXXX]

when ordering tires with the wheels that was the size recommended, and a slight stretch is good. Check tire rack... I believe they go wider but idk

[RacerFreakXXX]

do you guys know if I'll need hubcentric rings for the TRMotorsports Wheels and what size i would need?

[kngrsll]

when ordering tires with the wheels that was the size recommended, and a slight stretch is good. Check tire rack... I believe they go wider but idk

yeah my bad, i thought they only came in 195/55/15. they used to!

[Tamago]

do you guys know if I'll need hubcentric rings for the TRMotorsports Wheels and what size i would need?

there is no hubcentric ring available for them, sorry buddy.

[RacerFreakXXX]

will that give me any problems?

[Tamago]

will that give me any problems?

hasn't given me any, with the 2 cars i've had them on.

[kimona]

will that give me any problems?

Rather than hubcentric, you'll rely on lugcentric application... which is generally okay. Occasionally though, this application results in some vibration at speed.

[RacerFreakXXX]

I'm considering going with the Tokico blues... do you think I'll rub with them more than the reds?

[kngrsll]

I'm considering going with the Tokico blues... do you think I'll rub with them more than the reds?

no, you should be fine. that sounds like a fine set up with either shock. unless you plan on stiff springs and lots of track days, you can probably skip the reds.

[RacerFreakXXX]

yea, I'm trying to save some money for a 240 for next year and I don't really plan on doing to many track days... thank you kngrsll

[kngrsll]

yea, I'm trying to save some money for a 240 for next year and I don't really plan on doing to many track days... thank you kngrsll

ironically i started with a 240 and went to a yaris... i loved that car, but i needed something reliable for medical school

[kou]

do you guys know if I'll need hubcentric rings for the TRMotorsports Wheels and what size i would need?

When i got wheels they came with hubcentric rings pre installed.I got the 15x7 c1 lights.

[RacerFreakXXX]

well i really want a 240 for a drift car and nothing else... i really do miss rwd, but at the same time love the fun of fwd

[Tamago]

When i got wheels they came with hubcentric rings pre installed.I got the 15x7 c1 lights.

he's looking at the 15X8's though, they're BMW fitment, which means there's no ring that will fit (it would be only 1mm thick)

[RacerFreakXXX]

Well I made the jump about 1min ago and bought tk blues, tein springs, and penguin 10mm hub spacers. Next is intake and exhaust and then wheels for me, I figured why let good tires go to waste (aka stock) cuz they are not worth selling.

[kngrsll]

thats a great start. no rear sway bar?

[RacerFreakXXX]

I have had one for a year now, lol. I just wanted to wait to install it till I got the rest of my suspension... the only thing I am missing is a front strut bar.

I need to find a place that sells beatrush front strut bars, that are in stock.

[detroiter]

Tk blues, Tein springs and a rear sway bar? Prepare to have ALOT of fun :)

Becareful of that front sway bar, might hold you back from some of the killer handling your about to soon experience when you get your new goodies on.

[RacerFreakXXX]

I'm opting for a strut bar not a sway bar... but i am looking forward to the massively improved handling, especially with my 23mm rear sway bar :)

My main thing next is wheels, 15x8 or 15x7 or 16x8 or 16x7? I am considering TR C1M 15x7 +30 or 15x8 +20, Rota Grid off-road 16x8 +10, or a few of the XXR wheels that range in many sizes and offsets.

[detroiter]

durr, nevermind me. I misread what you wrote lol.

That's what I'm running is TK blues, Teins and ur 23mm bar. Tires I have are dunlop signatures. Handles really impressive, can only imagine if I had wider tires with a lower sidewall.

[RacerFreakXXX]

has anyone run a 205/50/15? that is the only size I can find performance tires in a 15" otherwise I have to go with a s.drive for a 205/55/15

[azizajalal]

I'm gonna install them myself, just gonna rent some spring compressors and I have a few mechanic friends who said they would lend me their garage and tools and help. Oh and I'm not buying shocks because I'm going to buy coilovers, these are just for the next year or two.

Tinting (http://www.solarcontrolfilmsinc.com)

[RacerFreakXXX]

OK?...... thread hijack :laugh:

again anyone running 205/50/15?

[kngrsll]

I'm opting for a strut bar not a sway bar... but i am looking forward to the massively improved handling, especially with my 23mm rear sway bar :)

My main thing next is wheels, 15x8 or 15x7 or 16x8 or 16x7? I am considering TR C1M 15x7 +30 or 15x8 +20, Rota Grid off-road 16x8 +10, or a few of the XXR wheels that range in many sizes and offsets.

i still love my wheels, team dynamics... i wouldnt buy anything else right now.

and i am only running the dunlop star specs at 195/55/15. someone told me they are making a 205/50 now but i havent looked into it. solid tire, gets plenty of miles and just has mountains of grip

you dont need a front strut bar either, so dont feel real pressured into getting one right away. the front end is pretty solid from the get go.

[RacerFreakXXX]

So I pulled my car into the shop today and started taking apart the suspension for everything when I noticed my passenger side axle boot was shredded and caught in my brakes. I thought I just had a warped rotor or something but I guess not. So I decided to just do the rear hub spacers and the rear sway bar. Then the shit hit the fan. I got my driver side hub spacer on w/o any problems. Then while putting my passenger side spacer in I had a bolt give me a hard time. So I decided to hit it with the gun, biggest mistake ever. I did some damage to the threads on the bolt and on the arm hub. Luckily it was fixable so we got the bolts fixed and then while doing the arm the tap snapped while fully in. One of the guys managed to drill it out but the thread still needs to be re-tapped. Unfortunately no one there had another tap in that size, so I have to get one off the tool truck tomorrow. Luckily it wasn't me who broke the tap, so the tech is gonna fix it tomorrow if he can get the tap off the truck. Luckily I work at a Toyota dealership and they are going to look at the boot tomorrow. Hopefully it will be covered under 3yr/36kmiles, my car is an 09 with 12k on it. Now I just have no car till it all gets fixed.

On an upside... I installed the camber spacer with the driver side hub and it looks amazing. I can't wait to get everything fixed and installed.

[RacerFreakXXX]

more bad news, the axle boot is not covered but should only cost me about $100 for parts and labor. Still waiting for the tool truck to come in so we can tap the hub too.

[RacerFreakXXX]

More good news, one of my friends got bored today and cleaned my passenger side suspension and installed my springs and struts for free. I'll probably buy him a nice thing of liquor or something.

The car now sits amazing, there is about a 1.5 finger clearance in the rear and about 2.5 finger clearance in the front. I may cut the front bump-stops after the springs settle, but I'll have to wait and see.

[detroiter]

Awesome, I think you'lll really like the spring/shock combo. I'm running the Tk's, Teins and ur 23mm bar. Next upgrade is some better tires with some rims and that'll be enough for me to call it a day on the Yaris (that's what we all say right lol).

Not sure if your front's sitting higher or not due to not cutting the bumpstops. I don't want to start a bumpstop war. I'd say just do what YOU want, give it some time to settle and go from there. I myself ended up cutting mine as suggested by Tein and havn't had any issues with that subject.

[markitect]

OK?...... thread hijack :laugh:

again anyone running 205/50/15?

I have 205/50/15s Azenis on stock wheels for autocross. They are a little short (I think 98% of actual speed). If you turn the wheel and brake just right you can get them to rub, but they aren't are problem on the street or tack(but that is stock suspension). Anything else you want to know?

[RacerFreakXXX]

The piece of rope that killed my axle boot:
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m14/racerfreakxxx/my%20car/IMG_0944.jpg



My New Suspension:
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m14/racerfreakxxx/my%20car/IMG_0954.jpg
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m14/racerfreakxxx/my%20car/IMG_0951.jpg
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m14/racerfreakxxx/my%20car/IMG_0950.jpg
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m14/racerfreakxxx/my%20car/IMG_0949.jpg
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m14/racerfreakxxx/my%20car/IMG_0948.jpg
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m14/racerfreakxxx/my%20car/IMG_0952.jpg
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m14/racerfreakxxx/my%20car/IMG_0953.jpg

[yarrr]

ack, don't let the caliper hang like that.

[detroiter]

hah, it's like looking at my car. I have the same exact setup except with a 23mm bar.

[RacerFreakXXX]

Well, it rides like it is on rails now, I really need wider and better tires now. I was making out second gear through the mountain "trails" today. It's still bouncy though but hopefully it'll get less bouncy in a month.

[marlondog]

Wow! You got the same set up I do! You know that set up is only good for a 40+ offset wheel and a 195/55 tire. I can remember someone saying those exact same words to me a few months ago...

[RacerFreakXXX]

well are you getting major or minor rubbing with a higher offset? and did you cut your bump-stops?