Any Apple fans?

[tomato]

Here is a link to a live blog at the Apple music event this morning, in the Bay Area

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?entry_id=47175

if anyone is interested.

(yes, Steve Jobs showed!)

[kustom play]

there are no apple fans

[SailDesign]

What's an "Apple"? :biggrin:

[Altitude]

I like them sliced with some peanut butter.

I saw a pic of him from that event. Looks like he needs more rest and recoup.

[Sir A.Y. Atoyot]

Yes, I'm an Apple fan, or more accurately, a Mac fan (distinguishing the product from the company.)

You could also say that I'm an enthusiastic Yaris fan, but not entirely a Toyota fan - I don't care for the huge planet-raping SUVs and pickups they make.

[gokartride]

I like them sliced with some peanut butter.

Oh yes, I am a big fan of this!!!

[tomato]

What's an "Apple"? :biggrin:

When I was growing up, Apple was what you saw on a Beatles' LP :smile: :wink:

[IllusionX]

I like them sliced with some peanut butter.

I saw a pic of him from that event. Looks like he needs more rest and recoup.


see!! i keep telling my friends how i like to eat my apples, but they always say I am weird. lol


anyhow... I'm a Mac user, and I cannot live with my Mac.

[coffiend]

i love my macbook :wub:

[KRAZGRL]

I grew up being an Apple/Mac user. First one was a 1984 "box mac" and my family evolved just as the company did. :)

[tomato]

I grew up being an Apple/Mac user. First one was a 1984 "box mac" and my family evolved just as the company did. :)

Oh, I remember those!!! I had one for a short time. :smile:
My first was an Apple IIe, if you can believe that! :laugh::laugh:

[Tamago]

Granny Smiths are good..

Steve Jobs is a dbag haha

[tomato]

Granny Smiths are good..

Steve Jobs is a dbag haha

I don't disagree with you but you still gotta admit, apple stuff is pretty cool :drool:

[Tamago]

I don't disagree with you but you still gotta admit, apple stuff is pretty cool :drool:

in some ways yes.

in some ways not at all.

take the original iphone...

NOTE, the link below is NWS for verbage

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

it was way behind-the-times when it hit stores. no 3G, couldn't send MMS (still cant lol) fixed amount of storage on-board, battery not replaceable (still isn't) you have to carry a cord around if you want to sync with a computer, as opposed to the rest of us who simply hot-swap microSD cards..

all things apple are fashion accessories, designed and marketed to people who don't want to THINK about what they're doing.

you can have 1.1million Apps (and pay out the nose for all of them) for your iPhone, but when it comes time to find a taco bell in your zipcode, someone with a regular old phone will find one faster. while you're swiping your finger through pages and pages of garbage to find the app you want, i've already texted taco bell fort lauderdale to 46645 and googl has texted me back with the address and phone number :biggrin:

not to mention i can send that text while driving, and keeping my eyes on the road. try THAT with a touch screen of any kind :iono:

and that is my rant. no offense meant to anyone who is a fan of apple products, but the product itself is not really all that special, given the ACTUAL features available.

[tomato]

^ you're preaching to the choir here. I don't have an iPhone (personally I prefer tactile kb's but I think we may be in a minority here. Even the blackberry is going "touch" arrrrrgh!) and don't even get me started on the AT&T 3G network :/ but OK that has nothing to do with Apple, itself.

All I'm saying is that they come up with pretty neat stuff (even if they're not necessarily the first one's to think of them :wink:)

I have a couple of PC's, right now, works fine for my needs, but if I was heavy into multimedia stuff, I'd probably go to Macs. :iono:

I'm not what you call an Apple "fan" though, FAR from it, believe me :biggrin: but I'll use their products if I think they're good: example, the iPod :wub::headbang:

[Tamago]

yes, the ipod is cool and all, but that is just one more thing to have to carry around if you want to listen to music :) any modern phone is .mp3 capable and with SDcards getting bigger and bigger, there's really no need to carry anything but your regular cell phone with you.

i challenge Apple to build a netbook that's comparable with my toshiba, and at the same price.

but they won't. a new iphone costs more than my netbook..

[Penguin Garage]

yes, the ipod is cool and all, but that is just one more thing to have to carry around if you want to listen to music :) any modern phone is .mp3 capable and with SDcards getting bigger and bigger, there's really no need to carry anything but your regular cell phone with you.

i challenge Apple to build a netbook that's comparable with my toshiba, and at the same price.

but they won't. a new iphone costs more than my netbook..

there's no point for them to compete on price.

they are doing pretty well convincing people to buy their products at the current crazy prices.

[KRAZGRL]

mac = quality. I don't have a problem paying a little more for that.

Besides, there are many ways to get discounts for apple products (student/teacher/gov't employee, etc)

[Altitude]

Never been a big Apple fan. I went from a C64 to an Amiga to PC's. The one thing Apple does better than most is form factor and marketing (edit - oops, that's actually two things :biggrin:). As for cell phones/handhelds, I have been using Windows Mobile devices for eons that can do everything the iPhone can do and then some. Nothing about the iPhone was revolutionary except for the interface and even then it's more about the cool factor than it is about functionality. Just my 2 centavos.

[tomato]

Never been a big Apple fan. I went from a C64 to an Amiga to PC's. The one thing Apple does better than most is form factor and marketing. As for cell phones/handhelds, I have been using Windows Mobile devices for eons that can do everything the iPhone can do and then some. Nothing about the iPhone was revolutionary except for the interface and even then it's more about the cool factor than it is about functionality. Just my 2 centavos.

What kind of mobile device do you use? Just curious. I want to upgrade my razr to something a bit more functional but keep going forth and back between the blackberry and something else. I liked the Google phone 1st gen. (I like tactile keyboards better) but the battery life s..cked.

By the way, I would agree with you that Apple's marketing / form factor is superior and of course the cool factor is undeniable. Going upstairs to the "genius bar" to get service on a device, though, can be a less than pleasant experience, at least here in the San Francisco Bay Area. :/

[Tamago]

samsung blackjack is nice :)

[Altitude]

What kind of mobile device do you use? Just curious.

I'm currently using a Glofiish X650 (http://www.glofiish.com/index4.htm?no=x650). I really don't keep up with the latest and greatest until I'm ready to buy a new one so I wouldn't be the one to ask for recommendations on a WiMo device. Though I hear good things about HTC devices.

[AlexNet0]

I have used both Mac and PC computers over the years, and the Mac is definetely more suited to people who want a straightforward user interface and dont need anything fancy. Simple internet, email, and word processing applications. for those who use them for graphic, web, and program design, they are well suited because the operating system doesnt get bogged down by intruding applications, allowing all the power the computer is supposed to have be reflected in your running programs.

The PC is my system of choice, I can build it, upgrade it, configure it to my hearts desire, put whatever operating system I choose on it, multiple if I want. The very broad requirements of my job demand flexibility. I upgrade parts every six months or so, always keeping the system current.

So It really depends what you will use it for and the level of technical knowledge you have that will determine what is right for you.

[Altitude]

I have used both Mac and PC computers over the years, and the Mac is definetely more suited to people who want a straightforward user interface and dont need anything fancy. Simple internet, email, and word processing applications. for those who use them for graphic, web, and program design, they are well suited because the operating system doesnt get bogged down by intruding applications, allowing all the power the computer is supposed to have be reflected in your running programs.

The PC is my system of choice, I can build it, upgrade it, configure it to my hearts desire, put whatever operating system I choose on it, multiple if I want. The very broad requirements of my job demand flexibility. I upgrade parts every six months or so, always keeping the system current.

So It really depends what you will use it for and the level of technical knowledge you have that will determine what is right for you.

Good stuff. :thumbsup:

I'm a programmer/IT guy by trade so PC's are pretty much the standard for me. As for home use, like you, I enjoy rolling my own. Haven't bought a pre-built since the early nineties.

[Morgan]

yes, the ipod is cool and all, but that is just one more thing to have to carry around if you want to listen to music :) any modern phone is .mp3 capable and with SDcards getting bigger and bigger, there's really no need to carry anything but your regular cell phone with you.

i challenge Apple to build a netbook that's comparable with my toshiba, and at the same price.

but they won't. a new iphone costs more than my netbook..

I wanna say there is a quote somewhere from Steve Jobs about how any computer less than $500 was a pos and there was no way you could make a quality product for less.... which I'm assuming means no Apple netbook - boo but I probably wouldn't give up my acer aspire one for it anyway....

mac = quality. I don't have a problem paying a little more for that.

Besides, there are many ways to get discounts for apple products (student/teacher/gov't employee, etc)

I almost disagree with you. I bought a first gen iPhone and straight out of the box, mine was defective. My bf's first gen iPhone had a portion of the screen die and BOTH of us (hardened PC users) had to get new iPhones.... I just thought it was weird that the ONE product we bought on TWO accounts were defective - coincidence??? I feel like Mac's give the illusion of quality, yes the materials are more expensive but they are all made in China and marked up just as much, mostly more than comparable PCs

Good stuff. :thumbsup:

I'm a programmer/IT guy by trade so PC's are pretty much the standard for me. As for home use, like you, I enjoy rolling my own. Haven't bought a pre-built since the early nineties.

I have several Mac-only/fan boys/cultists who to game and program. They each have a PC built especially for gaming and programming needs. Even they admit Macs are too expensive... the irony of this is that no matter what they say about their PCs, its always that they can't believe how easy it is to fix and cheaply buy replacement parts as needed...



OP its a difference of opinion with Apple and PC (or non Apple product). I really liked my iPhone (the one that actually worked :wink:) and the UI was nice, we hacked both of our iPhones to run on Tmobile and they did the job flawlessly most of the time, but overall I can't recommend them to just anyone. Its not just the price, but the fact that I felt like I was personally insulting every Apple Fan boy when I had a complaint about my Apple product and that's not cool:thumbdown:

[tomato]

Morgan, I think you're right about Apple computers, iphones, iPods being made in China (or similar) or made with parts manufactured in China (or similar) and assembled some place else, just like other computers.

if it makes you feel better, my first 2 iPods were defective, just like your 2 iPhones.
A bad batch probably. I can't blame Apple, though. Same thing happens in the PC world. One year, we had to change all the motherboards on the DELL workstations (bad capacitors on all of them, a known defect at DELL since they automatically extended warranties on the motherboards because of that problem). Another year, they recalled the power supply cords of the laptops. :iono:

[Tamago]

inferior product plus aggressive marketing plus a sheep-like consumer base = steve jobs being a rich man.

[AlexNet0]

Morgan, I think you're right about Apple computers, iphones, iPods being made in China (or similar) or made with parts manufactured in China (or similar) and assembled some place else, just like other computers.

if it makes you feel better, my first 2 iPods were defective, just like your 2 iPhones.
A bad batch probably. I can't blame Apple, though. Same thing happens in the PC world. One year, we had to change all the motherboards on the DELL workstations (bad capacitors on all of them, a known defect at DELL since they automatically extended warranties on the motherboards because of that problem). Another year, they recalled the power supply cords of the laptops. :iono:

I am still replacing capacitors from that... grrr... on customers computers
also effected from that massive bad batch of caps were several models of gateway and some OEM boards.

[Shroomster]

sorry about the thread hijack but any of you pc builders have an xp boot cd lying around?

I'd love to do a clean install and get rid of the friggin restore and Xp partitions.....

[IllusionX]

It really depends what you do.... games? most games are available for Mac. Blizzard make their games for mac first.
Macs have gone beyond what they used to be. You don't NEED to have a separate computer (PC) to play games anymore.

Anyhow, the main problem with PC is the OS. The whole computer scene would be so beautiful without Windows. If Microsoft has never developed their own OS, who knows... we might all running AmigaOS by now. Motorola's PowerPC processors were very fast, but why did they not succeed like AMD and Intel ??


this world is very simple.. people always want more.. but always for less. Also, think about it, what if Microsoft made their own computers.. Windows OS would ONLY run on their computers... how different the computer world would be now?

[frownonfun]

Yes, I'm an Apple fan, or more accurately, a Mac fan (distinguishing the product from the company.)

You could also say that I'm an enthusiastic Yaris fan, but not entirely a Toyota fan - I don't care for the huge planet-raping SUVs and pickups they make.


lol. planet raping. that struck me as funny. i had similar feelings when they tried to sell me a sequoia. like holy crap who needs that much vehicle? but then i bought a tundra. sorry.

[the_boss]

I'm a dsl internet tech and my employer is too cheap to give us a good training on apple so unfortunaly I know sh!t about mac and i deeply hate them sorry!!! :iono: my ignorance about mac make me hate them:tongue:

[tk-421]

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[tomato]

LOL, I was wondering if anyone was gonna bring up Linux ;)

[Sir A.Y. Atoyot]

Oh, I remember those!!! I had one for a short time. :smile:
My first was an Apple IIe, if you can believe that! :laugh::laugh:

Not a Mac. Older, command line computer.

[Sir A.Y. Atoyot]

Never been a big Apple fan. I went from a C64 to an Amiga to PC's. The one thing Apple does better than most is form factor and marketing (edit - oops, that's actually two things :biggrin:). As for cell phones/handhelds, I have been using Windows Mobile devices for eons that can do everything the iPhone can do and then some. Nothing about the iPhone was revolutionary except for the interface and even then it's more about the cool factor than it is about functionality. Just my 2 centavos.

Sure it isn't "Attitude?":wink: You're wrong on virtually everything, but no point in going into detail. Peace!

[tomato]

Not a Mac. Older, command line computer.

No, I meant the apple 2 e was my first computer to play with.
I had a little mac "box" much later than the apple 2 e.

[Altitude]

Sure it isn't "Attitude?":wink: You're wrong on virtually everything, but no point in going into detail. Peace!

Um...Ok. Feel free to PM me with detail.

[Shroomster]

Um...Ok. Feel free to PM me with detail.

thank you for showing restraint and not responding to a call-out:clap:

[Altitude]

sorry about the thread hijack but any of you pc builders have an xp boot cd lying around?

I'd love to do a clean install and get rid of the friggin restore and Xp partitions.....

I have one. But you'd probably get it quicker through bittorrent. Just use your own key to install. If you don't want to do that let me know and I can burn a copy for you.

[KRAZGRL]

I almost disagree with you. I bought a first gen iPhone and straight out of the box, mine was defective. My bf's first gen iPhone had a portion of the screen die and BOTH of us (hardened PC users) had to get new iPhones.... I just thought it was weird that the ONE product we bought on TWO accounts were defective - coincidence??? I feel like Mac's give the illusion of quality, yes the materials are more expensive but they are all made in China and marked up just as much, mostly more than comparable PCs

I know that the iphones have had some issues. My brother has gone through several himself. HOWEVER, when I made my comment, it was strictly on my own experience and that experience is with the computers, not phones.

My experience with apples (since I was 2 years old) has been a pleasant one. I have seen them stay ahead of the game with their software and overall technology. I admire a company that is willing to take risks and put products out there that others have to copy (ipods, for example). Besides, it's always nice never having to worry about email viruses attacking my computers since there are practically none that target macs. I feel a greater sense of freedom, control, and like I have a computer that is straight forward without having to know all the little codes like the PCs I've used. I dunno... don't knock down Macs just based on their newer products like the iphone (which is still pretty bad ass). lol

[nypunk]

in some ways yes.

in some ways not at all.

take the original iphone...

NOTE, the link below is NWS for verbage

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone

it was way behind-the-times when it hit stores. no 3G, couldn't send MMS (still cant lol) fixed amount of storage on-board, battery not replaceable (still isn't) you have to carry a cord around if you want to sync with a computer, as opposed to the rest of us who simply hot-swap microSD cards..

all things apple are fashion accessories, designed and marketed to people who don't want to THINK about what they're doing.

you can have 1.1million Apps (and pay out the nose for all of them) for your iPhone, but when it comes time to find a taco bell in your zipcode, someone with a regular old phone will find one faster. while you're swiping your finger through pages and pages of garbage to find the app you want, i've already texted taco bell fort lauderdale to 46645 and googl has texted me back with the address and phone number :biggrin:

not to mention i can send that text while driving, and keeping my eyes on the road. try THAT with a touch screen of any kind :iono:

and that is my rant. no offense meant to anyone who is a fan of apple products, but the product itself is not really all that special, given the ACTUAL features available.

ok before i start I am not telling anyone to do any of the following I am just putting it out there since it is pretty much common knowledge already

yes no mms is insane I think i even saw Zach Morris send one on that huge phone he used to carry around lol

and anyone that can text can do the same to find out the location of taco bell it isn't restricted on the iphone cause i just texed the same thing to the same # and got back 3 results ? and i have no problem texting while driving not that i ever have lol :burnrubber:

The answer is to jailbreak the iphone !!!


once you are jailbroken just about every app in the app store is avail to you for free via installous or the appulou.us web site

I can stream every song off my home comp or any other that I can get my hands on and all my pics as well using simplify media (which i didn't pay for) & I use orb live to stream all of the movies I own to my iphone ( again free) ... so right there I have no restriction on how much media I can have access to on my iphone!

You can customize ringtones as well:
http://cnettv.cnet.com/create-free-iphone-ringtones-using-itunes-8-0/9742-1_53-50003920.html


On a jailbroken iphone or 3g you CAN record video via cycorder or iphone video recorder avail through cydia

You can voice dial via free app called vlingo and you can record voices via italk recorder and IM'ing is possible from a bunch of apps free from the app store

You can sync to any computer that has bluetooth via ibluetooth in cydia

I'm not fighting with you cause thats your opinion i'm just giving mine

[nypunk]

my ignorance about mac make me hate them:tongue:

I think that what you said is the way most people feel most people that have tried a mac at best buy or an apple store for a few min and couldn't fig it out ( because it is very different ) like the simple task of closing this window a pc user would first go right for the top right of the page where a mac user would go to the top left or an even more experienced mac user would hit command, the up arrow and W to close the window ... a mac takes practice just like everything else ... just the little things that a pc user does everyday most no longer apply ... just like when I get into my wifes automatic for the first time in like 6 months after driving my car for the same time frame I always hit the floor panel looking to get the clutch like i would in my car lol but to each his/her own

[TinyGiant]

I think that what you said is the way most people feel most people that have tried a mac at best buy or an apple store for a few min and couldn't fig it out ( because it is very different ) like the simple task of closing this window a pc user would first go right for the top right of the page where a mac user would go to the top left or an even more experienced mac user would hit command, the up arrow and W to close the window ... a mac takes practice just like everything else ... just the little things that a pc user does everyday most no longer apply ... just like when I get into my wifes automatic for the first time in like 6 months after driving my car for the same time frame I always hit the floor panel looking to get the clutch like i would in my car lol but to each his/her own

you can set the swipes and pinches to do tasks too .. which i love

when on a web browser if i put two fingers on the touch pad.. it scrolls up and down.. most laptops do that.. if i swipe up with three fingers i made it close the page if i swipe down it opens a new tab

its quite amazing and makes things so fluid. what is really frustrating its going on someones PC laptop and forgetting that it doesnt have that ability.. or even worse having to use a mouse again.

I thought i would never get used to a touchpad.. let me tell you its 1million times better than a mouse now that i have the mac set to do what i want.

mac book pro for the win!

[nypunk]

mac book pro for the win!

+1

[tk-421]

OK here comes a long one... I apologize in advance! :redface:

What I've found with Apple regarding Macs is that they believe they are on the cutting edge as far as multimedia is concerned (video editing, 3D rendering, compositing, et al).

While this may have been true to a degree up until a few years ago, what they fail to tell you is that PCs have long been capable to run circles around Macs in terms of performance in both hardware and software areas.

The probably with PCs is often achiving true stability, which of course rarely happens because of the sheer variety of hardware components that is available, which is both the PC's strongest and weakest characteristic. One needs to do a lot of research to get it just right with PCs, as opposed to Macs (aka true plug-and-play goodness).

But how long before this limitation is dealt with by the PC camp? Three, maybe five years?

The truth is, the line separating PCs and Macs is getting thinner by the minute, and pretty soon the only real feature differentiating Macs from the rest is the really nice looking hardware, which is also an area where Apple has a strong leadership (but even that is dwindling too).

In short, I feel Apple is resting on their laurels as far as true innovation goes, while the PC camp has never been better in terms of stability and performance, and show no signs of slowing down. I think the fact that they will meet at some point is inevitable.

To conclude: Both are really really really good at what they do by anyone's standard, and we're really just splitting hairs here. We're lucky to have such great tools at our disposal either way.

[Shroomster]

The answer is to jailbreak the iphone !!!


the x-million users of the iphone are really going to do this you think?

[nypunk]

the x-million users of the iphone are really going to do this you think?

according to wikipedia they estimate that there are 4 million jailbroken iphones and ipod touches out there (I think maybe more when you look at how many people are members of some of these jailbreak sites) plus to jailbreak your phone only takes like 15min tops

and some people don't care to be jailbroken but others like myself do for the obvious reasons

[Tamago]

so, buy your expensive phone, then modify it to make it do what my "free" phone does from the factory.. yeahhhhh

[nypunk]

so, buy your expensive phone, then modify it to make it do what my "free" phone does from the factory.. yeahhhhh

Mine was free from work :headbang:

[the_boss]

when its free from work does it mean they own you???!!!

[Altitude]

Mine was free from work :headbang:

What kind of company provides iPhones to its employees?

[the_boss]

What kind of company provides iPhones to its employees?

an employer that have enough money! not like mine that cut the raise due to recesson!

[nypunk]

What kind of company provides iPhones to its employees?

I work for a 50 billion dollar a year fortune 50 company
and the deal they give is they'll buy you any phone but you pay for the at&t service which is discounted 20% ... and you can't miss a call lol (I don't think my phone has ever actually been off since it was taken out of the box)

[the_boss]

can't miss a call?! gosh you must be (you and your co workers) very important! my phone have telemarketing guard on and then work call in they are transfered to vm directly no chance to talk to me! Im nice enough to work 4hrs overtime /day so they dont need to wake me up to take calls!

[nypunk]

can't miss a call?! gosh you must be (you and your co workers) very important! my phone have telemarketing guard on and then work call in they are transfered to vm directly no chance to talk to me! Im nice enough to work 4hrs overtime /day so they dont need to wake me up to take calls!

That was sarcasm ... Lol ... I ment that if they need to get in touch they can. The company has something like 105,000 employees and I would say that maybe only about 10-12k get the phone paid for. The hours of operation are from 6am-10pm and they split into 3 shifts so there are no calls when u aren't on the clock with the exception of the occasional emerg call.

[the_boss]

nice where do I apply?! Im sick and tired of fighting with 90 years old customers not able to have there telephone line connected to there modem!!