Turbo Project is done. *NOT A YARIS*

[The Spectacle]

Couple months ago I was making a stink on this forum about some of the poor choices that people were making as far as going FI and a few of you thought I was blowing smoke. So, I promised to be cool and lay low until I had something that I could show for all the drama I caused. Well, that time has arrived.

2001 Honda S2000 77k miles
Stock motor
1000cc injectors
Walbro 255 fuel pump
Precision 5857 turbo
2.5 inch downpipe to 3 in catless and no resonator exhaust piping
80mm Apexi N1 Turbo muffler
Precision 600hp intercooler
Tial Wategate (recirculated back into exhaust)
Tial Blow off valve
4 bar Map
EBC boost controller with boost by gear
Hondata Kpro
PLX wideband

http://www.tamparacing.com/photopost/data/3405/medium/DARIUS.GIF

http://www.tamparacing.com/photopost/data/3405/Mase_Engineering_Turbo_Kit.JPG

420whp/250wtq

Dyno Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F01wnnLzOM8

In car footage soon, hopefully this weekend. Can't shoot and drive this thing at the same time, its a little much to handle.:burnrubber:

Only thing that sucks is my Yaris got rear ended 2 weeks ago and its going to be down for another 2-3 weeks. So this is all I've got right now and its costing me $$$$$$$$ in gas. 400hp isn't that fuel efficient lol

[PETERPOOP]

pics dont work

[botchilah]

typical Honda, impressive high-HP but low torque; you'd still have to row through the gears to get the most out of it. Really fun on the track I'm sure

[Nexus1155]

Ok, look honestly I am not here to knock on your parade, i love the S2K as a track car and as it is light and nimble its perfect.

But you can't say you still aren't blowing smoke. I am not saying build something straight from scratch but you bought a Mase Engineering S2000 Turbo Kit. as stated in the video.

Stock motor is cool and all, but it wasn't built for boost just like the yaris, so i would think on building that up soon. If you need some rods, i have a good connection i can see if i can find some for the S2K motor. F20C right?

If you can recirc the system, stock vehicles do it. Even SR20DET. You will get over not having the woosh noise from the better throttle response/spoolup.

4 Bar Map is severely overkill. You lose precision while tuning. youre barely running 1 Bar of pressure through there. and you will be better off with a nice steady $40 MBC instead of doing an ebc.

Other than that your setup looks great and clean and i am sure it is tons of fun already!

its all constructive criticism so take it for what it is i guess

[Tamago]

why is the torque so low? that's odd for a FI F20... bad tune?

[The Spectacle]

pics dont work

Fixed.


But you can't say you still aren't blowing smoke. I am not saying build something straight from scratch but you bought a Mase Engineering S2000 Turbo Kit. as stated in the video.

Stock motor is cool and all, but it wasn't built for boost just like the yaris, so i would think on building that up soon. If you need some rods, i have a good connection i can see if i can find some for the S2K motor. F20C right?

If you can recirc the system, stock vehicles do it. Even SR20DET. You will get over not having the woosh noise from the better throttle response/spoolup.

4 Bar Map is severely overkill. You lose precision while tuning. youre barely running 1 Bar of pressure through there. and you will be better off with a nice steady $40 MBC instead of doing an ebc.


No problem with the criticism. To address a few things:

- I didn't just buy it I installed it with another person. We did finished it up in about 5 hours. I could take it apart and put it back together by myself if I needed to.

- Motor is staying stock. Unlike the Yaris, the bottom end is forged.

- I have no loss in throttle response with an open bov. I think thats what you were referring to right?

- 4 bar had no affect on tuning. Boost hold steady all the way through the rpm band and has no hiccups what so ever. I have some part throttle issues I need to clean up though. Actually, only one that I can recreate around VTEC if I pussy foot it holding the RPM (4800). Also, I plan to get a race gas tune which should be around 17-18 psi where it will make 500+.

typical Honda, impressive high-HP but low torque; you'd still have to row through the gears to get the most out of it. Really fun on the track I'm sure

Yea, this isn't a low RPM motor. You gotta remember, its a 2.0L that redlines 9000RPM. Can't have high redline, small displacement, high HP AND high tq. Something has to give. Car makes up for it with short gearing and lightweight chassis.

why is the torque so low? that's odd for a FI F20... bad tune?

When Honda built this motor, they designed it for high HP @ high RPM (where you need it on a track/roadcourse). High HP > low end tq when you think about it for that application. The car doesn't need much more power, its already a handful as it is.

[hatchbackkid82]

nice

[Tamago]

When Honda built this motor, they designed it for high HP @ high RPM (where you need it on a track/roadcourse). High HP > low end tq when you think about it for that application. The car doesn't need much more power, its already a handful as it is.


you are hilarious.

god forbid you make your power at the low end.. let's have a high strung car that can't get out of it's own way til over 6000rpm :laugh:

i'm well aware of what the F20's shortcomings are, but i've never seen such low tq numbers on a boosted s2000

[The Spectacle]

Show me a car that has great low end torque and revs to 9000+rpm...

[Tamago]

Show me a car that has great low end torque and revs to 9000+rpm...

how about i show you a car that makes low end torque and doesn't have to rev to 9000 to make decent horsepower....

you realize that horsepower is just a function of torque and RPM right?

[The Spectacle]

Not going to go back and forth with you over it. To each his own.

[Tamago]

Not going to go back and forth with you over it. To each his own.

so, you're admitting that you have no idea how horsepower is calculated :laugh:


we're back where we were, laughing at you a few months ago it seems :laugh:

[PETERPOOP]

Just leave him alone Tamago. Let him enjoy his new toy. :)

[Nexus1155]

First, Peter, for the love of Jesus, resize your sig you're expanding the screen.

I understand that it is a forged bottom, but the S4 is all forged, but past 550tqs rods start to bend and catastrophe starts. So you better hope you're race gas tune doesn't destroy it. So what do we do.... buy chinese rods :P

Also, everyones right, that Tq # is uniquely low, I don't think I have ever seen a torque rating at almost half of the horsepower almost ever. It should be making atleast 300+ tqs.

I know you have Hondata which is the best option in this case other than Standalone, but who is doing this tuning for you and what is your AFR readings looking like?

[PETERPOOP]

First, Peter, for the love of Jesus, resize your sig you're expanding the screen.



No can do. It fits my screen just fine. :)

[yaris-me]

how about i show you a car that makes low end torque and doesn't have to rev to 9000 to make decent horsepower....

you realize that horsepower is just a function of torque and RPM right?

Show us your degree in physics.

[Tamago]

Show us your degree in physics.

horsepower = Torque X RPM / 5252

the higher you rev your torqueless wonder, the more horsepower you make "mathematically"

that's the one and only reason an S2000 will make 207whp on a dyno and only put down 135lb/ft of torque. revving the piss out of it. :thumbdown:

[tomato]

Peterpoop, can you please resize your sig just a little bit so it fits in the frame?
The height is probably OK but the width?
Thanks, man.

[The Spectacle]

First, Peter, for the love of Jesus, resize your sig you're expanding the screen.

I understand that it is a forged bottom, but the S4 is all forged, but past 550tqs rods start to bend and catastrophe starts. So you better hope you're race gas tune doesn't destroy it. So what do we do.... buy chinese rods :P

Also, everyones right, that Tq # is uniquely low, I don't think I have ever seen a torque rating at almost half of the horsepower almost ever. It should be making atleast 300+ tqs.

I know you have Hondata which is the best option in this case other than Standalone, but who is doing this tuning for you and what is your AFR readings looking like?

Torque is uniquely low compared to what? On a dynojet with the stock motor in N/A form, it made this:

http://www.tamparacing.com/photopost/data/3405/IMG_0069.JPG

That's how these motors run. The torque is not low and my AFR's are perfectly normal for a turbo car. Tune was done by one of the best, Mase www.maseengineering.com

As far as destroying the stock motor - the F20C has been proven to over 600hp in stock form. There is one case of a person in TX that made 700 to the wheels with the stock motor. All in the tune.

[Mouse]

Show me a car that has great low end torque and revs to 9000+rpm...


Ask and you shall receive.....
http://www.esmerilracing.com/RX-8_Turbo_Kit.html

Not exactly great torque but still better than what you are presenting. I'm assuming you only drive in straight lines.

[The Spectacle]

Ask and you shall receive.....
http://www.esmerilracing.com/RX-8_Turbo_Kit.html

Not exactly great torque but still better than what you are presenting. I'm assuming you only drive in straight lines.

:bellyroll:

[Mouse]

It's cool. I'll take an RX-8 over an s2k any day.

[Prohibit]

So much tension in here..

[kustom play]

It's cool. I'll take an RX-8 over an s2k any day.

why? you think it "looks cool?" maybe a 7 FD or C but not an 8

i would take an S2K over an 8 anyday

[Mouse]

No I personally think it handles better...Plus, teams in the Grand-Am series race the 8(even though it runs the 20b).

[turboecho2005]

412whp... You should come back when you're making more power... My echo is still fast :P

[Sabretooth]

How many months till he breaks the rear end?

S2000s are hit and miss... I think they are fine as is, the problem you have created, now you have a car with alot of HP, but still falls short in making an overall package worth while.

Go back to the Dyno and try and get a tune with better torque numbers.

[Tamago]

typical torque for that HP on an F20C should be around 300lb/ft.


your tune is off.

[talnlnky]

No I personally think it handles better...Plus, teams in the Grand-Am series race the 8(even though it runs the 20b).

mazda's 20B was a hell of a motor... I wanted to get my hands on a 3rd gen 7 and drop the 20B in it with a modest boost. Thought that would make one hell of a fun daily driver. Rotary FTW!

[The Spectacle]

typical torque for that HP on an F20C should be around 300lb/ft.


your tune is off.

:thumbsup:

[The Spectacle]

New video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPJNk4Kps80

[Tamago]

is it me or does it sound like a diesel at idle?:iono:

you're hearing those huge injectors.

[Tamago]

and that is normal?:iono:

yes, for huge injectors. it's a big solenoid, they click :biggrin:

[The Spectacle]

If its the loud ticking under the hood you're talking about, yes its the injectors and it is normal for this car. Stock injectors were actually louder.

If its the burble in the exhaust, its because the turbo manifold is unequal length like a Subie.

[Tamago]

honda builds toy engines.



























truth.org

[PETERPOOP]

That horrible song in the video was too loud.

Please repaint that orange reddish whatever color of your car and get some new wheels too; then i'd call it good!

[cali yaris]

yes, for huge injectors. it's a big solenoid, they click

+1 -- mine do that too (632cc on a 1.6L)

[cali yaris]

I haven't watched his video. You sound unconvinced :wink:

[PETERPOOP]

pete, how is that relevant to the main goal of this thread?:iono:

Is there a goal to this thread? "Turbo Project is done."

He posted a video, I posted my thoughts about the video. No harm, no foul? The point of the video was to show his car ( i thought ). However, i felt the music was over powering the sound of the car ( which is what we should be listening to, I think? ), and the song was horrible. Also, that paint combination is killing me; and if he changed it, I'd call it good!

[contraband831]

Congrats, but now that the turbo is done, maybe a new look is up next to complete the total package...

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[AdeJong 03]

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=28453&stc=1&d=1253736957

ashfdshafsaldk;jfsa gorgeous

so the verdict of this thread is

OP creates thread to back up smoke he was blowing a few months ago.
ends up blowing more smoke anyways

Spectacle the car looks cool, I like it.

The only think I would have done different is I would have run regular ce28s in gold instead of the le28s with the polished lip

otherwise your build is not bad. time for a mugen hardtop huh?

http://www.octanemotorsports.com/images/CHR-S2KHTFG-9.jpg

[PETERPOOP]

im loving that white one

[RacerFreakXXX]

I read this thread and find it super funny, it's the normal Honda is better. I was reading and saw no one could truly answer this question:

Show me a car that has great low end torque and revs to 9000+rpm...




wait for it....



Vaughn Gittin JR's Drift mustang........... and it's a Ford :eek:

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2008/07/10/video-gt-gt-car-tour-9-falken-tires-ford-mustang.aspx

It's a v8, so you know it has tons of tq, and has even more hp with a 9000 rev limit... now that's a car.

[puetato89]

... so this is what i hears about, hmm i dont see much relevance in this thread about his s2k being finished, oh well,

[The Spectacle]

You guys are absolutely hilarious.

So my car doesn't make enough torque, needs to be repainted, needs new wheels, and apparently needs a hard top to look good. ROFL!

I won't even bother replying back to some of these ridiculous pot shots. I'll just ask one question to all of you that can't seem to muster up some form of respect for something well done: Where is your 400whp+ car? kthanxbye.

To those that PM'd me and had good things to say, thank you.

[puetato89]

if you want a quality paint job lmk!!:thumbsup:

[PETERPOOP]

lol, did he really ask where is our 400whp car on a yaris messageboard? I would think 80% of the people on here ARE the stereotypically yaris owner. Why even ask that?

Got any pics of the seibon lip kit on your car before it got crashed?

[anonymous user]

Jeebus crikees!! What in the heck are you gonna need a 4 bar map for? This is obviously a drag car, or a dyno queen. I see power mods but POWER IS NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL. Unless you have suspension/braking mods to handle a 4 bar map.
If you haven't guessed yet, i don't only drive in straight lines.

[Mouse]

I don't need 400hp to beat you on a track in my miata.

[Tamago]

Unless you have suspension/braking mods to handle a 4 bar map..

:laugh::laugh:

i once carried a 5bar MAP in my glove box, my suspension and brakes simply exploded from the pressure.

[The Spectacle]

Got any pics of the seibon lip kit on your car before it got crashed?

No but the lips were not damaged. Pics when I get it back.

Jeebus crikees!! What in the heck are you gonna need a 4 bar map for? This is obviously a drag car, or a dyno queen. I see power mods but POWER IS NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL. Unless you have suspension/braking mods to handle a 4 bar map.
If you haven't guessed yet, i don't only drive in straight lines.

Do you even know what a 4 bar map sensor is? Because it really has nothing to do with suspension or braking. Not even close.

I don't need 400hp to beat you on a track in my miata.

:w00t: Have fun in that Miata.


You guys are a riot.

[Tamago]

:laugh::laugh:

i once carried a 5bar MAP in my glove box, my suspension and brakes simply exploded from the pressure.



Do you even know what a 4 bar map sensor is? Because it really has nothing to do with suspension or braking. Not even close.



and this is why i LOL'd


hey, come to www.gulfcoastautocrossers.com for test and tune this saturday, i'd love to see your car

[The Spectacle]

Got the Yaris back. Goddamn its slowwww!!!

[Tamago]

come to test/tune on october 31, i want to see the S2000 in action!

www.gulfcoastautocrossers.com

[The Spectacle]

Dunno man Ft Myers is a long drive for an autocross. That, and I'm sure my car is too loud for the course.

I do want to autocross it one day though.