OZ CLUSTER

[Lewis]

Well here it is- the OZ CLUSTER thread.

I bought the cluster from eBay AU yesterday and had it shipped to our member Mad Dog who has graciously agreed to reship to me in NJ.

I paid 248 for it including the shipping in Australia. I will also have to pay to have it shipped from Oz to NJ so the final price will probably be a good amount.

Why I did it- I have a base hatch with stick and since it's a 2009 with ABS although I've been loking and looking for months, I've been unable to locate an S cluster with a tach, and abs light used and my local dealer wanted $520 for a new one.

I really think any car with stick should have a tach and although I think several on the list really did a nice job putting one in the drivers glove compartment door, I personally want a OEM look. I also believe my local dealer will flash the cluster with the correct odometer miles if this works out.

So when I saw the OZ unit I went for it even though I suppose it's probablya 50-50 chance it'll work and face in the right direction (RHD in OZ).

So I'll keep you all informed how this goes- the good news is CTScott, who I greatly respect thinks it'll probably work.

Here's hoping.......to be continued:confused:

[1NZYaris1]

Watching :thumbup:, and hoping it works out for you :thumbsup:

[*MAD DOG*]

Well here it will be the OZ CLUSTER thread.

I bought the cluster from eBay AU yesterday and had it shipped to our member Mad Dog who has graciously agreed to reship to me in NJ.

I paid 248 for it including the shipping in Australia. I will also have to pay to have it shipped from Oz to NJ so the final price will probably be a good amount.

Why I did it- I have a base hatch with stick and since it's a 2009 with ABS although I've been loking and looking for months, I've been unable to locate an S cluster with a tach, and abs light used and my local dealer wanted $520 for a new one.

I really think any car with stick should have a tach and although I think several on the list really did a nice job putting one in the drivers glove compartment door, I personally want a OEM look. I also believe my local dealer will flash the cluster with the correct odometer miles if this works out.

So when I saw the OZ unit I went for it even though I suppose it's probablya 50-50 chance it'll work and face in the right direction (RHD in OZ).

So I'll keep you all informed how this goes- the good news is CTScott, who I greatly respect thinks it'll probably work.

Here's hoping.......to be continued:confused:


Glad to be a part of this. Hope it works. If it does you'll be the only one in the US with a digital dash with tach.

[puetato89]

whats an "OZ" cluster:iono:

[*MAD DOG*]

whats an "OZ" cluster:iono:

It's one of these dash units http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=390329&postcount=111

[WolfWings]

whats an "OZ" cluster:iono:

Oz, short for Australia.

As in, someone in the US got someone from Australia to ship them their cluster. Australia gets a sweet digital cluster that looks like something out of Knight Rider (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=198945&postcount=11) instead of the analog gauges we get.

[puetato89]

oh!!!! the one that i was gonna buy, gotcha!!! thanx for the link!!

[WolfWings]

Yeah, I'm watching to see if this works on the US-spec cars. If it does? *POUNCE* Imma' get me one of those!

[puetato89]

+1

[Lewis]

I looked in the mirror this morning and saw a guinea pig!

:-)

I'll love it if it works and write it up to experience if it fails. At least as a guinea pig I'll save any one else grief by sharing and in trying to do it here.

I know I'll get the best support possible in the effort.

It would be great BTW if some one like Mike, who has been lucky enough to find the elusive S cluster in a junkyard and successfully did the switch - could post a sticky with good photos here on DIY for a ham handed guinea pig and others who find the holy grail of a S cluster- hint- hint!

Thanks for your good wishes!

[Lewis]

:confused:

[1NZYaris1]

don't panic , theres a few people her that should be able to help you .:thumbsup:

[*MAD DOG*]

One things for sure, if it works and there is enough interest I'll be selling them.

[Lewis]

I think even Toyota - as unresponsive as they are- admitted the stupidity of selling stick cars without tachs by adding the tachs to all Yarises with stick in the 2010's. I wrote them about how dumb it was in 2009 and maybe someone was listening?

How much did they save by deleting the tach on my base hatch - $10? Was it worth it Toyota?

Beyond the issue of the tach itself though the Oz cluster is just spiffy looking and would be fun to look at as I drive!

[WolfWings]

Swapping clusters on the Yaris Liftback is a sub-ten-minute affair for someone that's never touched a screwdriver before. Yank the trim (literally) off, unscrew four screws, unplug two cables, you're half-way there. Reverse to finish.

[*MAD DOG*]

Beyond the issue of the tach itself though the Oz cluster is just spiffy looking and would be fun to look at as I drive!

Speaking of which......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKjXEI43FjQ&feature=related

[jouna]

if it works. it will be hot in puerto rico

[puetato89]

diablo otro hispano lol "clusters for hispanic":biggrin:

[texkid]

This is not good. If this works then I will end up doubling the computer works and car washing to save up for the part!! :tongue:

[JumpmanYaris]

Sedan ?

[puetato89]

:tongue:nope sorry, lb only:wink:

[kustom play]

so this guy is shipping it to you then?

[advocate]

good luck on this. watching as well.

[devinlamothe]

Ya if this works I am SOOOO buying one!

[*MAD DOG*]

so this guy is shipping it to you then?

Can you read? :iono: If so try the op's op. I've even made it easier for you by cutting it down and putting the important words in BOLD.

Well here it will be the OZ CLUSTER thread.

I bought the cluster from eBay AU yesterday and had it shipped to our member Mad Dog who has graciously agreed to reship to me in NJ.

[kustom play]

i more so wondering IF HAS BEEN SHIPPED YET

[*MAD DOG*]

i more so wondering IF HAS BEEN SHIPPED YET

You can read :clap:

I have not received the package yet. When I do I'll let everyone know. Then I'll forward it onto Lewis.

Be assured I will be keeping people posted, all they'll need to do is read what post :thumbsup:

[1NZYaris1]

ouch :clap:

[puetato89]

australian sarcasm, wait its the same where ever you go:biggrin:

[advocate]

australian sarcasm, wait its the same where ever you go:biggrin:

haha :bellyroll:

[*MAD DOG*]

australian sarcasm, wait its the same where ever you go:biggrin:

I've been asked a lot of stupid questions lately, both via posts and pm and even in real life, so yes the sarcasm does tend to appear.

[puetato89]

not offended here, but pleased and encouraging lol, i have been asked by numerous car enthousiests, "Hey, whats that tow hook in front of you car," my response, "you just said it,"

[CtrlAltDefeat]

I hope it works, I would love one for my car...

[Lewis]

i'm as anxious as anyone but it can take quite a while to ship a package from Australia to the States

and Tony will not even recieve the unit from the eBay seller for a few days himself

also i have our son's wedding in early october out of town and a busy work schedule the next few weeks so please be patient

i Promise i will post the news as it happens.........please- let's make this fun.

[puetato89]

we usually do make it fun by ranting on off topic lol

[jouna]

:tongue:nope sorry, lb only:wink:

shit!!!! but still i have the sedan that haves revs. :biggrin:

[puetato89]

i actually really like the sedan cluster

[JumpmanYaris]

shit!!!! but still i have the sedan that haves revs. :biggrin:

There u go :thumbsup:

[advocate]

we usually do make it fun by ranting on off topic lol

don't forget that we also beg constantly for updates!:biggrin:

[puetato89]

very true, and do stuff like HURRY UP AND GET THIS MAD DOG, not that im rushing, or any thing:tongue:

[Lewis]

:iono:don't forget that we also beg constantly for updates!:biggrin:

Well I can update you every day but problem is that the updates will really be very very boring until the cluster gets here from Australia.

Todays update- I just had a bagel and coffee for breakfast while I waited for the cluster to arrive from Australia.

:wink:

Hope that helps!

[*MAD DOG*]

Update:

Just got home from work. No packages or cards to collect packages, just bills. If anyone wants to pay my bills pm me.

[*MAD DOG*]

Update:

Went to mailbox. No packages, just an Amex bill.

[puetato89]

f-in bills:thumbdown:

[advocate]

:iono:

Well I can update you every day but problem is that the updates will really be very very boring until the cluster gets here from Australia.

Todays update- I just had a bagel and coffee for breakfast while I waited for the cluster to arrive from Australia.

:wink:

Hope that helps!

+1 for bagels!

[*MAD DOG*]

Update:

No mail arrived today, hence no cluster to send on.........yet! Stay tuned :P

[*MAD DOG*]

Update: 8:21AM Friday 2nd October 2009

BANG BANG BANG at the front door. I get out of bed and to myself "What the f was that"? Go to front door to find a package. Drumroll.......................................

Yup it's the cluster. I picked up the box and it had a rattle noise to it :rolleyes:, I thought to myself this aint gonna be good :mad:. Took it inside and took some photo's and opened it up. This is what I saw.

Package
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb65/MADDOGZONER/cluster1.jpg

I then open the package. When I open the package I am shocked to find that the douchebag eBay seller has not put any padding in the package at all. :mad: No bubblewrap, nothing. It's just the cluster. :(
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb65/MADDOGZONER/cluster2.jpg

I take the cluster out and here it is.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb65/MADDOGZONER/cluster3.jpg

:coolpics: :laugh:

It needs a clean, has fingerprints all over it. Other than that to the naked eye it looks like if I was to pull my dash apart and put it in it would work. In the bottom of the box is what to appears to be a broken clip. Nothing serious.
As i'm working today, tomorrow and the next day I will get around to pricing shipping it onto Lewis on my day off on Monday.

Sidenote:

Lewis,

I would give the Ebay seller a message at least or bad feedback at a maximum on his shipping. No padding what so ever and it appears a clip has been broken because of it. The postage cost to the eBay seller was $13.60 and i'm pretty sure you payed more $30 and the tightwad could not spend another couple of bucks on padding? Feel free to pm me or just post in this thread any response, or questions.

Cheers

---
*MAD DOG*

[Sabretooth]

Just from looking at that cluster, I feel it wont fit on the Yaris USDM models, due to we dont have that larger black box in the front? Who knows if it will even fit in our dash?

[AlexNet0]

^guess we'll find out

[etheliters]

oh crap batman! THAT black box...

[Sabretooth]

I am to assume the black box has something to do withall the extra lcd playtoys in there... If u look at your usdm one though, even thecable hookups appear to be different...as said, guess we will find out soon enough

[CTScott]

I still think it will work. The connectors (D1 and D2) are identical in shape and pin layout to the USDM one (they just look different because they are molded black instead of white).

I noticed the lower chunk in the original Ebay pics, but I think that is fine as well. There is space between the bottom of the cluster and the top of the A/C duct below it.

[advocate]

Even if it doesn't fit perfectly, it would still be worth a bit of modification to get this bad boy to fit into the car. Thanks for the update mad dog!

[kustom play]

trying to think how the stock USDM cluster goes in, im thinking it was a tight fit when i had my center out. I cant remember for sure

we'll have to see

[*MAD DOG*]

Even if it doesn't fit perfectly, it would still be worth a bit of modification to get this bad boy to fit into the car. Thanks for the update mad dog!

No worries.

[puetato89]

i feel like a a little kid in christmas!!! and it aint even mine, lol

[birdman]

Guinea pigs. Yummy!

[AznGouki]

Oh man this is awesome. I would be down for one if the price is reasonable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQJT8hwDBFY&feature=related
What cluster is this? It would be awesome if we could change the text to a white color.

[kustom play]

yea i would agree, the green reminds me of the old 87 camry's with the same green digital speedos

if you could figure out how to change to the new orange, i would be down for sure

[*MAD DOG*]

yea i would agree, the green reminds me of the old 87 camry's with the same green digital speedos

if you could figure out how to change to the new orange, i would be down for sure

Use coloured Cellophane. Cheapest and easiest mod ever.

[kustom play]

prob is green is a secondary color, so any color blended with green will push it to the tertiary color ring

maybe a nice aqua or something would be cool unless there is another way

[ezhacker1]

yea i would agree, the green reminds me of the old 87 camry's with the same green digital speedos

if you could figure out how to change to the new orange, i would be down for sure

ditto on wanting it in Amber, need all light up lights to be Amber, cept for my digi tach and ecometer.

[WolfWings]

prob is green is a secondary color, so any color blended with green will push it to the tertiary color ring

maybe a nice aqua or something would be cool unless there is another way

That's additive colors when mixing pigments.

When dealing with subtractive color filtering (AKA, light) green is a primary, which means you need to add other colors to it to make anything else. So unfortunately you can't shift pure green light to anything else, and LEDs make INCREDIBLY pure light.

So if it's green LEDs to start with... no changing that to anything else. Might be some kind of LCD's with fixed-color backlighting though based on LEDs.

[Lewis]

here I am on break from the wedding weekend

hoping CTScott is right and thinking maybe that 50-50 are my chances

i do so appreciate everyone's good wishes and help but i guess we all will not know until i get it and plug it in

the color is of no importance to me - i just hope it physically fits and functions properly as i can't see myself cutting up the dash to make this work out

and remember CTScott is doing everyone here a big favor because- while i'll have a unique and spiffy cluster if it works out- i'll still have to go begging to my dealership to get the odometer reset - while with CTScott's solution of replacing our clock with the tach - while maybe not as spiffy - the odometer will be fine as is

so when you add up the cost of the cluster and postage in Australia, then the postage to the USA (a hefty amount i'm sure) and then the stealership cut to reflash the odometer- this will definately be the high cost solution.

Might even end up rivaling the cost of a new Toyota parts "S" cluster before I'm done. The catnip here is having something unique and very spiffy.

Lewis

[CTScott]

here I am on break from the wedding weekend

hoping CTScott is right and thinking maybe that 50-50 are my chances

i do so appreciate everyone's good wishes and help but i guess we all will not know until i get it and plug it in

the color is of no importance to me - i just hope it physically fits and functions properly as i can't see myself cutting up the dash to make this work out

and remember CTScott is doing everyone here a big favor because- while i'll have a unique and spiffy cluster if it works out- i'll still have to go begging to my dealership to get the odometer reset - while with CTScott's solution of replacing our clock with the tach - while maybe not as spiffy - the odometer will be fine as is

so when you add up the cost of the cluster and postage in Australia, then the postage to the USA (a hefty amount i'm sure) and then the stealership cut to reflash the odometer- this will definately be the high cost solution.

Might even end up rivaling the cost of a new Toyota parts "S" cluster before I'm done. The catnip here is having something unique and very spiffy.

Lewis


I've been doing some more reading from the European service manual docs, and I'm up to 90/10 for it working. There are a couple connections that we'll have to add to pick up some features (like a two wire connection for the ambient temperature sensor). Those pins are not populated on the USDM connector, but we have the same sensor for the A/C, so we'll just need to tap it.

I also found that the digital cluster is configurable for Km or Miles (of course via the TechStream tool), so that's another big plus.

For fit, I really think it will be fine. Look a Crashy's open dash, I see plenty of space under the flat area for the chunk.

[puetato89]

this is 2 exciting, i think imma have 2 take a cold shower

[kustom play]

That's additive colors when mixing pigments.

When dealing with subtractive color filtering (AKA, light) green is a primary, which means you need to add other colors to it to make anything else. So unfortunately you can't shift pure green light to anything else, and LEDs make INCREDIBLY pure light.

So if it's green LEDs to start with... no changing that to anything else. Might be some kind of LCD's with fixed-color backlighting though based on LEDs.

yea that is true, i should be thinking in terms of RGB

i dont think you can change it, it would rock if it was orange, like the nice bright orange Pontiac use to have :drool:

[CTScott]

I am pretty sure that the display is a VFD (vacuum fluorescent display). I thought the color or colors of the display were not changeable, but I ran into these:

"The light produced by most VFDs contains many colours and can often be filtered to produce a more-pure (saturated) colour such as a deep green or deep blue, depending on the whims of the product's designers."


"Optional Color Optical Filters & Luminance
Every Noritake VFD has a self emitting light with a wide color spectrum. This distinctive characteristic of the display will allow for virtually any display color presentation by adding a cost effective 3rd party colored material."

[CTScott]

I remembered that the clock in the USDM non-tach clusters is a VFD. I grabbed Crashy's and did some experimentation.

Clock display with redish lens removed (display is greenish blue without lens):
28828

28830


Powered with red lens on, as it would be in the car (display is white):
28833

With blue film, display is blue:
28831

With red lens and amber plastic, display is yellow:
28832


So, matching the 09 orange display is probably just a matter of adding an orange colored film plus a red film.

[kustom play]

NICE!

great work!

now i would be down for one of these clusters if this works

both that blue and yellow is kinda cool as well

[puetato89]

ct your the best!!

[AlexNet0]

CTScott has become a considerable addition to the community, great props!

[puetato89]

hes secretly me lol j/k, (i just want crashy:biggrin:)

[*MAD DOG*]

hes secretly me lol j/k, (i just want crashy:biggrin:)


Drive like a loon and you could have your own crashy :smile:

[Sodium Duck]

lol

[puetato89]

nah, the original is best :)

[*MAD DOG*]

Update:

In about 10 hours i'm going to go to the post office to get a quote on a price to ship the cluster to Lewis.

[Sodium Duck]

...What'd you have for breakfast today?

[*MAD DOG*]

It's 1:25Am here. I had breakfast yesterday and it was McDonalds. 1 Sausage McMuffin, 1 hash brown and a large OJ.

[puetato89]

mcdonalds is gonna rule the world, just like toyota has:eek:

[*MAD DOG*]

Update:

Been to the post office to get a price to get the cluster shipped to Lewis. Will send him a pm when I get home about prices and options.

[puetato89]

yay, just one step closer :)

[advocate]

It's 1:25Am here. I had breakfast yesterday and it was McDonalds. 1 Sausage McMuffin, 1 hash brown and a large OJ.

Wow I started busting up laughing when I read this.

[*MAD DOG*]

It's 1:25Am here. I had breakfast yesterday and it was McDonalds. 1 Sausage McMuffin, 1 hash brown and a large OJ.

Wow I started busting up laughing when I read this.

Why? I didn't make a funny. What was so humorous about my statement?

[Lewis]

Hi all-

Just paypaled Tony for the shipping on the cluster to the US - costs so far 248 eBay for the cluster and shipping to Tony - and 44 to ship the cluster from Tony to me.

Fingers and toes crossed (boy that makes it tough to type!)

Lewis

[puetato89]

not 2 shabby on the typing :smile:

[*MAD DOG*]

Update:

Running late for work, will check my paypal account at work and post the cluster some time today after work (2:45 Pm).

[*MAD DOG*]

Update:

Payment confirmed in paypal account. Will ship today :thumbsup:

[Sodium Duck]

This is better than hockey.

[Lewis]

the suspense builds............................................ .....(to be continued)

[CTScott]

the suspense builds............................................ .....(to be continued)

I think when you receive it you need to come up to Connecticut with it to test it out and figure out the wiring to get the ambient temperature, etc. fed to it.

[Lewis]

That is a very kind offer CT- if and when it arrives safely from OZ I intend to take you up on it.

You've forget more about auto electronics then I'll ever know!

And I still think your solution makes great sense for many of us- I would love to not have to have my car reprogrammed by the dealer after this is done to get the kph to mph and the odometer correct.

I guess I'd refer to this solution as "the high priced spread".

But I do think some people can and would pay the price for something spiffy and unique and if this works out - it will be both!

Now for daily breakfast updates until it arrives- many bagels and coffee I imagine- any one know how long it takes to recieve a package from Australia? I guess we're about to find out.

Lewis

[1NZYaris1]

Should take about 8-10 days if sent airmail prioritywith out tracking number .
0r 6-8 if you have a tracking number :thumbsup:

[Lewis]

That's about 7 bagels time- thanks 1NZYaris1

[enviri]

lol i wanna drive up there too with beer/pizza and see things go poof :D lol

[advocate]

You mean *poof* as it magically inserts itself perfectly into the car, adjusts to MPH and his odometer, and displays "please drive me!" right?

[Sodium Duck]

Uh oh, I think there might be a party in the works...

[*MAD DOG*]

Update:

Purchased bubblewrap for cluster so I can pack it properly for international shipping.

[kustom play]

i like this cluster, but i think the total price for everything including getting it flashed is going to throw a lot of people off the idea

[*MAD DOG*]

There's no need to reflash unless you want to. However you probably want to swap Km/h for Mp/h.

[Lewis]

not counting these until they hatch!

[CTScott]

Uh oh, I think there might be a party in the works...

I think so. This could be bigger than the tree lighting at Rockefeller Center.

[puetato89]

plane tickets?? i got a place 2 stay if some one will pay for the ticket:biggrin:

[enviri]

i heard there's a comfy seat inside crashy, puetato :P

[puetato89]

yay!!!

[puetato89]

is it true scott??

[*MAD DOG*]

Update:

Got home and there was a FedEx package on my doorstep. Got excited as I knew what it was, it was my 2nd hand NST pulley from tk-421 from Mexico. After opening my package I decided it would be a good idea to use the same wrap on the cluster.

So I wrapped up the cluster in wrap, then in bubblewrap I bought previously today. But alas time got away from me and the post office is now closed. I will have to ship it tomorrow.

[puetato89]

atleast you got more wrapping:thumbsup:

[*MAD DOG*]

Update:

Cluster shipped. Cost me more than my original quote because I used more protective wrapping than originally anticipated and the extra weight cost more to send.

The Post Office says it should take anywhere from 3-15 Business Working Days to arrive. It's all out of my hands now.

[puetato89]

WOOT WOOT!!!

[Lewis]

3 days to 3 weeks

WOW a very broad bagel and coffee range!

Thanks to the kind offer from CTScott I will drive up to get some expert help with the install- so rest easy everyone- the install will be in good hands with CTScott providing the brains of this operation.

Imagine - I'll be dreaming tonight of having the only Yaris in the western hemisphere (1/2 of the globe!) with a digital cluster- a sweet dream indeed.

BTW- the off road vehicle in my photo shows myself and the wife on vacation in Thailand - if anyone wondered- my Yaris accelerates a bit faster than the elephant did but the elephant had much bigger gas tank and a way larger trunk.

[Kioshi]

3 days to 3 weeks

WOW a very broad bagel and coffee range!

Thanks to the kind offer from CTScott I will drive up to get some expert help with the install- so rest easy everyone- the install will be in good hands with CTScott providing the brains of this operation.

Imagine - I'll be dreaming tonight of having the only Yaris in the western hemisphere (1/2 of the globe!) with a digital cluster- a sweet dream indeed.

BTW- the off road vehicle in my photo shows myself and the wife on vacation in Thailand - if anyone wondered- my Yaris accelerates a bit faster than the elephant did but the elephant had much bigger gas tank and a way larger trunk.

I have one question for you Lewis....and I didnt read through the previous posts or prior threads leading to this, so pound my stupidity if you'd like (anyone?)

How are you going to deal w/ the kilometers on the digital cluster? Are there tools to adjust the mileage on the cluster to that of the mileage on your car's engine in the U.S.?

[*MAD DOG*]

I have one question for you Lewis....and I didnt read through the previous posts or prior threads leading to this, so pound my stupidity if you'd like (anyone?)

How are you going to deal w/ the kilometers on the digital cluster? Are there tools to adjust the mileage on the cluster to that of the mileage on your car's engine in the U.S.?

Oooh I can answer this one. There is a way to switch the unit from Km/h to Mp/h. It's in the back of the unit, all you need to do is take the cover off and switch, It's kinda like using a jumper on a master HDD or slave HDD, you just move the jumper to signify which one you want it to do.

[Lewis]

Hi Kioshi,

Maddog took care of your query regarding kph versus mph.

But also the odometer can (should) be reset to reflect the actual miles on the car.

You must however go to the dealer since the only known way to do it is via the Techstream system which is uneconomic for anyone but Toyota dealers to have. Several people have tried different "homemade" techniques to do it without the dealer to no avail when they upgraded to the USA "s" cluster with a tach. My dealer already has done a mod for me via Techstream for free when they turned off the chime for the seatbelt warning so I am hoping for the same cooperation from the dealer with this mod (assuming it works).

Bottom line is I think you have to really want the Aussie digital cluster to go through the amount of expense and effort I will have expended to do the mod when all is said and done. I think it also helps if you enjoy the process- as I guess I must.

But in all honesty I think more than 1/2 of the trouble is the uncertainity of it all based on the fact that I don't know if it will be for naught until I plug it in.

At least I will save the rest of our readers that headache if the cluster arrives intact and working- as it will be qualified for many frequent flyer miles by the time it reaches New Jersey and the original eBay seller did not pack it with any padding for shipping to Maddog so damage is possible.

Readers have raised many issues- whether it would fit in the dash (it has an extra box attached to it), whether it would be tilted incorrectly (Aussie = right hand drive) and whether it is simply compatible with the electronics system in USA vehicles. Time will answer all these concerns for all of us if it reaches NJ in working order- so there was a good amount of risk associated with this effort.

But if it works- WOW! it will be special.

Lewis

[Kioshi]

Thanks for the prompt response MAD DOG, appreciate it.

I should have been more clear, I was referring to the odometer readings. I dont mind if its the cluster is in kilometers but I'd like the odometer to be converted to the correct kilometers from what my engine has (27,209 miles)....

My cluster is from Asia, just w/ a tach( it has roughly 6,100 kilometers on it). The dealer here wanted $280 plus labor fees (what labor fees LOL) for the S cluster USA, so i said F-that and got a Asian (kilometer) cluster for WAY cheaper...

Now when you said I have to go to the dealer to reset and reflect the mileage on my car, I fear that the assholes there won't do this for me.

[*MAD DOG*]

Thanks for the prompt response MAD DOG, appreciate it.

I should have been more clear, I was referring to the odometer readings. I dont mind if its the cluster is in kilometers but I'd like the odometer to be converted to the correct kilometers from what my engine has (27,209 miles)....

My cluster is from Asia, just w/ a tach( it has roughly 6,100 kilometers on it). The dealer here wanted $280 plus labor fees (what labor fees LOL) for the S cluster USA, so i said F-that and got a Asian (kilometer) cluster for WAY cheaper...

Now when you said I have to go to the dealer to reset and reflect the mileage on my car, I fear that the assholes there won't do this for me.


Maybe CTScott can do it for you if you ask him nicely. I dunno if he can, but you could always ask.

[CTScott]

Maybe CTScott can do it for you if you ask him nicely. I dunno if he can, but you could always ask.

Not yet. I need a little intimate time with a techstream tool first. I'm saving my pennies for the $1500 Chinese clone. I just need to sniff the communication between the techstream tool and the cluster and I can create a device to do it. Then we can ship the device around like another Bambo!

[Lewis]

Kioshi- I find expectations have a lot to do with a positive interaction with my dealer. I approached my dealer with the attitude "sure they will do it" when I wanted them to shut down the seatbelt chime (which is done via techstream too) and sure enough the service department refused. LOL

So I wrote a letter to the general manager of the dealership - very polite- making the same request. He immediately told service to do it for free.

Even Toyota dealers in this economy need to treat their customers well. Dealers are going out of business left and right so as a consumer we need to be clear, consistant and polite but firm about our rights and at this point the buyers are king.

I am expecting the same treatment if the Aussie cluster works and I need the odo reset.

Lew

[Kioshi]

Lewis - Thank you for sharing your method. I had a positive attitude when going to Fremont Toyota Dealers when my intake kept throwing CELs, i wanted the reset done there because I had an oil change to do (so why not kill two birds w/ one stone), and they refused to do so...lol

Did you write the letter to the manager the same day, right after rejection?

I will have to resort to the letter, but I'd rather talk to the manager in person instead. I think dealers vary, and I hope the manager doesn't refuse after the letter/talk....
I'll pay for what it costs to do the reset, I dont mind.

When is your cluster arriving?

Could I get a copy of that letter you wrote? LOL

[Lewis]

I wrote the letter the next day. I wrote the letter after being refused by both the service advisor and then the service manager so I just climbed the ladder of responsibility to the general manager of the dealership. Unfortunately I didn't save the letter but basically I told them that 1. I bought the car from them and expect better service, and 2. I quoted the Yaris World forum to show them I knew it could be done easily- that's why they agreed to do it for free.

In fairness it probably helped that the car was only two months old at the time. I do expect they'll do the odometer too though because I established the precedent with the seatbelt chime.

But with car sales so low now I think you can expect good service if they think you'll go elsewhere if dissatisfied for your next purchase IMO.

p.s. Maddog was told the shipment can take from 3 days to 3 weeks so stay tuned.

[puetato89]

HURRY UP PACKAGE!!! :smile:

[Kioshi]

I see. Were you polite to the service manager after refusal from the service adviser? I ask because I tend to get a bit feisty, especially if its a well over 10k priced item I own.

Unfortunately I didnt buy my Yaris from this Toyota dealership. The one i bought from originally, they cut my wires off from the switch that tells the transmission that your car is in reverse, so my reverse lights stopped working. I go to this dealership for honesty, mainly....

Should i tell them that or write in the letter that I'll be taking my business elsewhere as a local?

Sorry for asking, I'm trying to learn to be polite, even with refusal already stamped to my forehead:tongue:

Keep in touch. My cluster wont be in my palms till a few days later..

PS: touchstream, now do I have to have the cluster installed (when the reset is being done) or does the connectors on the back of the cluster plug into this techstream w/o cluster intact to the car?

[CTScott]

I see. Were you polite to the service manager after refusal from the service adviser? I ask because I tend to get a bit feisty, especially if its a well over 10k priced item I own.

Unfortunately I didnt buy my Yaris from this Toyota dealership. The one i bought from originally, they cut my wires off from the switch that tells the transmission that your car is in reverse, so my reverse lights stopped working. I go to this dealership for honesty, mainly....

Should i tell them that or write in the letter that I'll be taking my business elsewhere as a local?

Sorry for asking, I'm trying to learn to be polite, even with refusal already stamped to my forehead:tongue:

Keep in touch. My cluster wont be in my palms till a few days later..

PS: touchstream, now do I have to have the cluster installed (when the reset is being done) or does the connectors on the back of the cluster plug into this techstream w/o cluster intact to the car?

The cluster has to be installed in the car for the update to be done.

[puetato89]

:)

[Kioshi]

The touchstream taps into the engine's mileage/ECU, correct? So....if i went ahead and installed and started driving for a few days and later went to dealers for a accurate reset to the miles already on car and the ones added after the initial miles said on the kilometer cluster, would it mess up or no?

Thanks for the answer CTScott :)

[advocate]

I'm also curious to as to what the effects of driving a car with a replaced tach that's out of sync to the car's actual mileage would be.

If you don't write the mileage down on the new cluster before driving then you'd have no idea how many miles are actually on the car!

[Lewis]

Kioshi- I was polite but firm. I'm 62 with grey hair and I notice that helps make me less threatening to people and more likely they will cooperate since I got older. Maybe your father or uncle etc. would consider helping by coming to the dealer with you?

Advocate- my dealer asked me to show them the original cluster inside the car before I change it so they could see the odo miles, to go home (I live very close by) and change the cluster, and then they will run the Techstream to reset the odo.

That seems reasonable to me- they don't want to participate in fraud.

[Kioshi]

I wish you come come here for a day or two hahah.
My dad would be able to come to the dealer, but then again....he's really not firm, just my Mom and I...and my Mom speaks very little english :P

What I'll probably end up doing is the same as you Lewis. Keeping stock on and showing the dealers first...

Thanks for all the help, i really hate dealing w/ electronic add-on equipment, but really I've been wanting this cluster for a while now ;)

I'll keep you updated about my situation lol....

[Lewis]

good luck Kioshi

I certainly understand your desire to have a cluster with a tachometer. That desire is what started this trek for me too.

Lewis

[Lewis]

update- 10/10 Saturday- no package- may be several weeks so I/we must be patient

I have family in Holland and customs can be pretty slow clearing overseas parcels for the reasons we all sadly know

[*MAD DOG*]

Lewis,

It's been 5 days has it showed up yet?

[Lewis]

no - Tony- not by Saturday and both Sunday and Monday no mail in USA (Monday is Columbus Day) so patience will be required. Scott made a kind suggestion that we plug it into Crashy before trying it in my car just in case there's an issue with compatibilty and the outside chance it could cause damage so I will not know if it works until I get together with Scott to test it as I think that is the saest course of action.

rest assured - I am as anxious as I can be to try it.

I haven't made a date with Scott yet because you said it could take up to 3 weeks.

Lew

[*MAD DOG*]

no - Tony- not by Saturday and both Sunday and Monday no mail in USA (Monday is Columbus Day) so patience will be required. Scott made a kind suggestion that we plug it into Crashy before trying it in my car just in case there's an issue with compatibilty and the outside chance it could cause damage so I will not know if it works until I get together with Scott to test it as I think that is the saest course of action.

rest assured - I am as anxious as I can be to try it.

I haven't made a date with Scott yet because you said it could take up to 3 weeks.

Lew

If either of us had thought about it I could have shipped it directly to Scott :frown: Ah well the waiting game continues......

[Kioshi]

Lewis, could you post up the pictures of the cluster front and back, if possible. I'm sure it will fit into the allotted space...As for compatibility, there shouldn't be a problem unless the car was a hybrid or electric. A cluster for an automatic tranny or CVT tranny will work fine w/ a manual transmission, already tested by people on here.

Does the yaris the cluster came off of have a different ECU than the rest of the Yaris models, if not, no worries...

[*MAD DOG*]

Lewis, could you post up the pictures of the cluster front and back, if possible. I'm sure it will fit into the allotted space...As for compatibility, there shouldn't be a problem unless the car was a hybrid or electric. A cluster for an automatic tranny or CVT tranny will work fine w/ a manual transmission, already tested by people on here.

Here's a pic of the front. I did not take any pictures of the back.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb65/MADDOGZONER/cluster3.jpg

Hope that helps

[Kioshi]

The connector on the right side (from your pic) looks to be moved to a vertical position, instead of horizontal but the connector looks same as my clusters. The piece in the front is what bothers me, I will take a pic of the area inside or see if it would accomodate that into the space..

thanks Mad Dog for the image..

[CTScott]

The connector on the right side (from your pic) looks to be moved to a vertical position, instead of horizontal but the connector looks same as my clusters. The piece in the front is what bothers me, I will take a pic of the area inside or see if it would accomodate that into the space..

thanks Mad Dog for the image..


There's plenty of space for that chunk:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=28951&d=1254948883

[Kioshi]

LOL I just tried out my cluster and took a pic of the inside. Was going to post it here but you beat me to it....

By the way, the connector on the right looks to be bigger on the OZ cluster compared to our clusters.... maybe its just the picture :(

UPDATE: On my cluster, the passenger seat belt and passenger air bag indicator does NOT turn on w/ my new cluster...it does w/ the stock USDM cluster~ AND the gauges on new cluster aren't dim-able~~

[advocate]

LOL I just tried out my cluster and took a pic of the inside. Was going to post it here but you beat me to it....

By the way, the connector on the right seems bigger on the OZ cluster compared to our clusters.... :(

UPDATE: On my cluster, the passenger seat belt and passenger air bag indicator does NOT turn on w/ my new cluster...it does w/ the stock USDM cluster~ AND the gauges on new cluster aren't dim-able~~

You forgot to mention that you're using a freshly imported authentic JDM cluster! I'm sure that's the cause of the problems unfortunately.

[Kioshi]

You forgot to mention that you're using a freshly imported authentic JDM cluster! I'm sure that's the cause of the problems unfortunately.

The connectors were generic fit, I thought the rest would've been the same too...:laugh: I guess not...

Just alerting Lewis w/ his OZ cluster..

[advocate]

Just alerting Lewis w/ his OZ cluster..

It has to work because I want one. Therefore I believe! :headbang:
Always had a soft spot for a digital MPH readout ever since I learned to drive in my dad's cadillac sedan de ville.

[puetato89]

sedan de ville would be se ville lol :tongue:

[Kioshi]

It has to work because I want one. Therefore I believe! :headbang:
Always had a soft spot for a digital MPH readout ever since I learned to drive in my dad's cadillac sedan de ville.

:thumbup: You'd be the only one on the west coast with it. NorCal would have Yaris meets w/ unique/rare equipment, thats for sure.

Learned in a cadillac de ville? Shit....i learned in a 90' ford escort wagon :barf:

Here's hoping Lewis, gets the cluster on Tuesday.

[Lewis]

remember guys- a watched pot never boils

the package will arrive when the post office and customs say it will arrive!

luckily the next couple of weeks are mostly open for me so if Scott's schedule is flexible we can do this pretty quickly when it comes

we are about 2 - 2 1/2 hours drive from one another so the trip is not a big obstacle

.......and after Scott if all works out there - we have my trip to my friendly Toyota dealer to do the Techstream flash- to me the job isn't done until I see mph on the screen with the correct odometer miles


this is like a soap opera- patience will definately be needed- me thinks I will be celebrating my new cluster on Thanksgiving!

[CTScott]

LOL I just tried out my cluster and took a pic of the inside. Was going to post it here but you beat me to it....

By the way, the connector on the right looks to be bigger on the OZ cluster compared to our clusters.... maybe its just the picture :(

UPDATE: On my cluster, the passenger seat belt and passenger air bag indicator does NOT turn on w/ my new cluster...it does w/ the stock USDM cluster~ AND the gauges on new cluster aren't dim-able~~

If your cluster came out of a RHD car, then the orange wire in pin 9 of the right side connector needs to be swapped with the green wire (tail light) in pin 16.

The brake fluid warning level wire (purple) and fog light indicator wire (red) need to swapped from pin 2 to pin 7 on that right connector.

The alternator indicator wire (light blue in pin 1) needs to swap with the left turn signal wire (light green in pin 8).

The check engine light wire (black in pin 4) needs to move to pin 5.

The beam indicator wire (pink in pin 11) needs to swap with headlight power wire (gray in pin 14).

The right turn signal wire (brown in pin 15) needs to move to pin 10. (the white in pin 10 gets pulled an taped off as there isn't a washer level low indicator).


There's no input for the dimmer rheostat, hence the no dimming, but the JDM digital clusters have a magic button press sequence of the odo button that adjusts the dimming level. The JDM analogs may have the same.

Put the odometer in "odo" mode.
Press and hold the odometer changing button for 3 seconds.
Auto dimming will toggle on or off.

[Kioshi]

My cluster came from a RHD.

Scott, just for clarification,

Doing the swapped wiring configuration from what you've explained to me above....will that get my passenger seatbelt & passenger airbag light indicator working?

My turn signals work correctly, the light beam indicator in the cluster (different icon than US icon), turns on when i have car's lights on perfectly.

Now if I do your wiring swap config. would that mess up things already working properly ie: turn signals, light indicator on cluster showing, etc..?

As for the dimming, thank you for the help. I will try that out when the whole flashing of the miles to accurate kilos gets done...

P.S. I forgot to mention....E-brake icon stays on in the cluster even though I have the e-brake all the way down LOL....

Techstream update: Toyota dealers said they can't flash my cluster. The mechanic there said himself they dont do it all, comes from factory. They send all there clusters/gauges (that need to be calibrated) out to a company that burns the odometer readings into the clusters for Toyota dealerships.....and then ships back to the dealers. I have to go to this company to get it done...weird right?

Will update soon (I'm going either tomorrow or Wednesday)....and if the company is good, and for some reason Lewis's dealership doesnt do it, I will work w/ Lewis to get it done through this company...

Company URL: http://www.paspeedo.com/

[*MAD DOG*]

If your cluster came out of a RHD car, then the orange wire in pin 9 of the right side connector needs to be swapped with the green wire (tail light) in pin 16.

The brake fluid warning level wire (purple) and fog light indicator wire (red) need to swapped from pin 2 to pin 7 on that right connector.

The alternator indicator wire (light blue in pin 1) needs to swap with the left turn signal wire (light green in pin 8).

The check engine light wire (black in pin 4) needs to move to pin 5.

The beam indicator wire (pink in pin 11) needs to swap with headlight power wire (gray in pin 14).

The right turn signal wire (brown in pin 15) needs to move to pin 10. (the white in pin 10 gets pulled an taped off as there isn't a washer level low indicator).


There's no input for the dimmer rheostat, hence the no dimming, but the JDM digital clusters have a magic button press sequence of the odo button that adjusts the dimming level. The JDM analogs may have the same.

Put the odometer in "odo" mode.
Press and hold the odometer changing button for 3 seconds.
Auto dimming will toggle on or off.

:clap: I applaud your work. What do you do for a job or are you that rich from selling ideas you sit at home doing drywall and modding Crashy?

[Kioshi]

I honestly have to say, CTScott the smartest fucking person on here, maybe ever..that I've come to known....seriously. Very cool helpful information....deserves an award :)

[CTScott]

My cluster came from a RHD.

Scott, just for clarification,

Doing the swapped wiring configuration from what you've explained to me above....will that get my passenger seatbelt & passenger airbag light indicator working?

My turn signals work correctly, the light beam indicator in the cluster (different icon than US icon), turns on when i have car's lights on perfectly.

Now if I do your wiring swap config. would that mess up things already working properly ie: turn signals, light indicator on cluster showing, etc..?

As for the dimming, thank you for the help. I will try that out when the whole flashing of the miles to accurate kilos gets done...

P.S. I forgot to mention....E-brake icon stays on in the cluster even though I have the e-brake all the way down LOL....

Techstream update: Toyota dealers said they can't flash my cluster. The mechanic there said himself they dont do it all, comes from factory. They send all there clusters/gauges (that need to be calibrated) out to a company that burns the odometer readings into the clusters for Toyota dealerships.....and then ships back to the dealers. I have to go to this company to get it done...weird right?

Will update soon (I'm going either tomorrow or Wednesday)....and if the company is good, and for some reason Lewis's dealership doesnt do it, I will work w/ Lewis to get it done through this company...

Company URL: http://www.paspeedo.com/



Hmmm. So, beam, and turn signals work. How about the headlight indicator and the check engine light?

If the headlight indicator doesn't work, I would do the 9 and 16 swap.

The 2 and 7 swap should fix the brake light issue.

[CTScott]

:clap: I applaud your work. What do you do for a job or are you that rich from selling ideas you sit at home doing drywall and modding Crashy?

I'm an Engineering research fellow for a medical equipment company.

[puetato89]

genius

[Kioshi]

CTScott, i dont want to hijack Lewis's thread....so here is a new thread for my arising problems.

Thanks, really need your help now desperately....

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23127

[WRW76]

AND the gauges on new cluster aren't dim-able~~

Push the button above the clock and it should go to a dimming option(3 bars i think).could be a good bartering option you may have started up Tony!! A cluster for aftermarket parts!:w00t:

[Lewis]

.....Kioshi- it was fine with me to read this here because remember Australia is right hand drive too so your experience may be all too relevant to the OZ cluster.

Furthermore if my experience in recieving parcels from Europe is any indication it might be a good while until I'll be writing about how the OZ cluster works out.

I can just update folks on bagels and coffeee for so long before they die of boredom.

[*MAD DOG*]

Tic toc tic toc tic toc. Counting the seconds as they go by.

[Lewis]

Update- no bagel this morning, but a nice cup of tea. Oh by the way- package not here yet.

Qantas forgot to pay their fuel bill?

Or perhaps the cute little Koala Bear ate my package in the cargo hold?

My arrival prediction- any day day now!

[Kioshi]

You guy's didnt get a tracking number for this?!

[Lewis]

Never got one from Maddog......not sure if it was available.

[Kioshi]

you should be able to get a tracking number option when shipping from any country....just have to tell the original sender or the second (in this case, Mad Dog)...i used tracking to ship to CTScott just because I dont trust the assholes at the post office....$15 tops...

International shipping should be at most $35-$40 tops, as I have shipped an expensive item to a friend in Japan to her obscure house address... and package got to her within a week :)

[*MAD DOG*]

Never got one from Maddog......not sure if it was available.

Tracking was available, but it was another $20. I sent it registered post and have my receipt. There is a barcode on the receipt.

[Lewis]

The pot will boil when we stop watching it Kioshi.

:-)

Before too long poor CTScott will be struggling with both our our clusters!

[spookz]

Does the AUDM digital cluster get the 'Auto-Dimming' as well? I don't think I've noticed it before. Let me go and try. So I'm assuming there's a light sensor installed somewhere for the the auto-dimming to work?

[advocate]

I have to agree that seeing CTScott's awesome knowledge makes me envious I didn't finish my electrical engineering degree.

Ah well Software is more my style anyways =)

Can't wait to see the results on kioshi's and lews' clusters!! wooooooooooo!

BTW i think it's time for a new bagel update Lewis.

[CTScott]

Does the AUDM digital cluster get the 'Auto-Dimming' as well? I don't think I've noticed it before. Let me go and try. So I'm assuming there's a light sensor installed somewhere for the the auto-dimming to work?

It auto dims when the headlights are switched on if you enable that mode. It doesn't do smart dimming with a light sensor.

[*MAD DOG*]

Scott,

When you get the Oz Cluster you will notice that it has a display area that says what gear your in, mpg, distance to empty, etc. But for some reason it's not switched on or does not seem to work here. If you could figure out a way (i'm sure you can) to make that stuff work that would be fantastic.

[Lewis]

Bagel update- no package from Oz (if you're married you know there are ALWAYS packages :-) ).

It's only been a week and Tony said the post office down there told him up to 3 weeks time so let's all try to be patient. It might take Scott a bit of time to get to it too- remember he just might have things like work, family etc. to attend to before he can get to his and our hobby projects.

We'll get there - as soon as is feasible- I promise.

Lew

[jouna]

Bagel update- no package from Oz (if you're married you know there are ALWAYS packages :-) ).

u got that right :drinking:

[CTScott]

Scott,

When you get the Oz Cluster you will notice that it has a display area that says what gear your in, mpg, distance to empty, etc. But for some reason it's not switched on or does not seem to work here. If you could figure out a way (i'm sure you can) to make that stuff work that would be fantastic.

Interesting. So, Oz cars don't get MPG. I wonder if EU cars with the digital display do?

Can you give me the part number off of your ECM? I have a feeling that the MPG is calculated by the ECM and is sent to the cluster.

[*MAD DOG*]

Interesting. So, Oz cars don't get MPG. I wonder if EU cars with the digital display do?

Can you give me the part number off of your ECM? I have a feeling that the MPG is calculated by the ECM and is sent to the cluster.

Ummmmm WTF is ECM? Sorry i'm not a tech head. As for the part number of this ECM where would I find that?

Also over here it would be Kilometers to the litre Km/L as opposed to Miles Per Gallon MPG.

I'm off to bed now as it's Saturday 17/10/2009 1:06 AM.

[CTScott]

Ummmmm WTF is ECM? Sorry i'm not a tech head. As for the part number of this ECM where would I find that?

Also over here it would be Kilometers to the litre Km/L as opposed to Miles Per Gallon MPG.

I'm off to bed now as it's Saturday 17/10/2009 1:06 AM.


The ECM (or ECU) is the main computer. It is mounted to the firewall, under the hood and has two huge connectors plugged into it. The part number is on a sticker. In this picture you can see ECM with its part number sticker (and one of the connectors unplugged):


29201

[spookz]

I forgot where I read it.. possibly in the manual. But the MPG display only works with South African models. There must be a module which we don't get in Australia.

[Lewis]

Update- not in Saturday's mail

:-(

[Kioshi]

:(

What method was it sent through? I forget, if mentioned previously....

[Lewis]

ordinary certified post Kioshi......week one is done- there could possibly be two more weeks to go according to what Tony was told

:-((((((

[*MAD DOG*]

The ECM (or ECU) is the main computer. It is mounted to the firewall, under the hood and has two huge connectors plugged into it. The part number is on a sticker. In this picture you can see ECM with its part number sticker (and one of the connectors unplugged):


29201

Scott,

I've forgotten to look at the part number but will do so tomorrow.

But I have found a good quality picture of what I was talking about....

Oz Cluster

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb65/MADDOGZONER/TonyYrx001.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb65/MADDOGZONER/TonyYrx001-1.jpg

See what I mean by it should display those things but it does not.

[*MAD DOG*]

Here are all the numbers on the ECU

89661-52C30
212000-2230 12V
2012230A

Here is a pic of the Oz ECU. It was behind the battery on the firewall.

[advocate]

Good lookin Mad Dog! CTScott is gonna need the part numbers to do RND to see if we can get the gear indicator and MPG to work.

[CTScott]

Here are all the numbers on the ECU

89661-52C30
212000-2230 12V
2012230A

Here is a pic of the Oz ECU. It was behind the battery on the firewall.

Very interesting. The 89661-52C30 ECM is specific to the Australian market on NCP91R-AGPRKQ and NCP91R-AHPRKQ (3 door and 5 door automatics). I forgot that on RHD cars that they hide the ECM behind the battery.

[Lewis]

UPDATE-

The box arrived to NJ today and is on it's way to CTScott.

.......now the next chapter?

[Kioshi]

wow, mailed it that fast to Scott huh...

Next chapter is always interesting..... ;)

[Lewis]

wow, mailed it that fast to Scott huh...

Next chapter is always interesting..... ;)

yes Kioshi we have certainly gave Scott some challenges!

[*MAD DOG*]

So glad it arrived. Now it's all up to Scott to weave some magic :)

[Kioshi]

I have a feeling since you have an 09 w/ ABS, your cluster will be an easy swap...lol
I looked at Mad Dog's hi res pics in the previous page and you too have the ABS icon and stuff.....so no problem with that ;)

I love it when I end up w/ complications in life..

[CTScott]

I have a feeling since you have an 09 w/ ABS, your cluster will be an easy swap...lol
I looked at Mad Dog's hi res pics in the previous page and you too have the ABS icon and stuff.....so no problem with that ;)

I love it when I end up w/ complications in life..

Lewis mentioned an interesting dilemma with it; The connectors are on opposite sides, so the cables won't reach.

[Kioshi]

Thats something I didn't catch in the photos from Mad Dog. The only thing I can think of for that at the moment would be do find a salvaged Yaris and cut the wires off that, unless the same gauge wires can be spliced and soldered onto the ones on the connector.

[CTScott]

Thats something I didn't catch in the photos from Mad Dog. The only thing I can think of for that at the moment would be do find a salvaged Yaris and cut the wires off that, unless the same gauge wires can be spliced and soldered onto the ones on the connector.

I'll fire it up on the bench first and then to run it in Crashy, I'll have to splice an extra foot onto each wire.

[Lewis]

yes Scott -the humor of this situation can help offset the extra work involved for you regarding the cables.

imagine if everything is inverted like the cables- for instance the speed would go down on the speedometer as you go faster etc.!

I know i bit off more than i can chew with the OZ cluster- luckily we have somebody here with very sharp teeth- Scott!

p.s. they say water goes down the drain anti-clockwise in OZ- perhaps that was a warning!

[Kioshi]

:laugh::laugh:

Gotta love the people here.

[CTScott]

Update: I received the OZ cluster from Lewis today!

I immediately had to open the box and hook it up on Crashy. With the swapped connectors (since it is for a RHD Yaris) I just hooked up connector D1, which has power, CAN bus, fuel gauge, tach, speed, etc (the other just has the feeds for a bunch of the indicator lights).

It powered up fine and the fuel gauge showed proper level. So, I started the car and the tach worked correctly, but the speedometer stayed at zero. This cluster is off an ABS car, so that makes sense, as Crashy is non-ABS.

The issue though is that the cluster is indeed angled to... the passenger (at least on this side of the world). The VFD (vacuum fluorescent display) is reversed and is mounted in that chunk at the bottom and is pointed to the left. A concave mirror magnifies and inverts the VFD and angles the display to the USDM passenger.

Being an Engineer, I just had to take it apart to see how it was setup and to snap some pics. Here they are:

Powered up:
29417

Close up of the VFD:
29418

Close up of the clock/mileage VFD:
29419

Concave mirror:
29420

[1NZYaris1]

So could you transplant the guts of the aussie cluster , into the USDM
unit , or is it not that easy :laugh:

[CTScott]

So could you transplant the guts of the aussie cluster , into the USDM
unit , or is it not that easy :laugh:

The USDM one is just a flat plane. The Aussie one has the lens in the same place, but the guts and case are completely different to make the VFD work correctly. I was initially thinking that you could modify the bottom chunk and the back to point towards the left, but the upper portion has a molded tunnel that is angled from left to right. It would take some creative plastic work to make the display point left.

[*MAD DOG*]

Scott and Lewis,

Glad it works. Looks like some more work is required to make it useable for you though.

Scott,

I know you just got the unit, but is there any chance of a fix so the Km/L would work for us Aussies?

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29419&d=1256158055

[*MAD DOG*]

I think this picture sums up this thread.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb65/MADDOGZONER/cool.jpg

:)

[kustom play]

bummer it doesnt work

so how does it look from the driver side? not well or is it kinda tolerable?

well back to looking for a USDM S Cluster

[CTScott]

bummer it doesnt work

so how does it look from the driver side? not well or is it kinda tolerable?

well back to looking for a USDM S Cluster

Without modification the speedometer/tach portion are really not viewable at all from the driver's side.

[kustom play]

Without modification the speedometer/tach portion are really not viewable at all from the driver's side.

so it looks like its a bust for LHD cars then :(

so looks like the only way to get a tachometer and speedo is the get the USDM tach/speedo combo then

Scott, Anyway to rig up a sedan cluster? How far off is the fit?

I always see those for sale and there super cheap!

[Kioshi]

sedan cluster should be the same size as the liftback cluster, but the plugs to connect are different from the liftback......

Also.....is your car ABS enabled kustom? If not, you will run into problems like Lewis and I.... :P

[kustom play]

i dont think I have ABS

I think the 08+ USDM cluster works on both i think so i guess its the one way to go at the moment

[Kioshi]

I have someone on here who is test fitting a 09 w/ ABS cluster on his 07 non-ABS car....I'll let you know whether it works or not..

But: 08 w/ ABS accepted my RS cluster.
Scott's 08 w/o ABS didnt accept it His 09 with ABS did...

So i highly doubt yours would accept a cluster w/ a tach...speed data won't be sent the same way like it is through the speedometer only cluster~ jus saving you the trouble and money...

But go for it, we already have 2 other guinea pigs on here hahaha

[Lewis]

R.I.P. Oz Cluster

[CTScott]

so it looks like its a bust for LHD cars then :(

so looks like the only way to get a tachometer and speedo is the get the USDM tach/speedo combo then

Scott, Anyway to rig up a sedan cluster? How far off is the fit?

I always see those for sale and there super cheap!

The sedan cluster may (?) be the same size, but it mounts differently. It's mounting screws are out on the ends, rather than out in front. The right connector is the same (pinout and all). The left is a wider connector, but the pin functions are identical.

[kustom play]

The sedan cluster may (?) be the same size, but it mounts differently. It's mounting screws are out on the ends, rather than out in front. The right connector is the same (pinout and all). The left is a wider connector, but the pin functions are identical.

so maybe it would fit if we could find a way to mount it?

but would it have the issues with the read outs? like say an 07 sedan with an 07 liftback?

[CTScott]

so maybe it would fit if we could find a way to mount it?

but would it have the issues with the read outs? like say an 07 sedan with an 07 liftback?

I was just looking at sedan cluster pictures on ebay and the sedan one is a very different shape than the LB one.

[kustom play]

ok get back to making the tach fit the clock area

[CTScott]

ok get back to making the tach fit the clock area

I'm making good progress on it.

[Kioshi]

ok get back to making the tach fit the clock area

so demanding....lol

I wonder if the OZ cluster will have odo adjusting problems like my RS cluster....?

[CTScott]

so demanding....lol

I wonder if the OZ cluster will have odo adjusting problems like my RS cluster....?

I hooked it up to my test bench last night and had the same result with making the speedo change but the odo didn't increment. I just need to get to the bottom of the extra bytes in the speed message.

[Kioshi]

I hooked it up to my test bench last night and had the same result with making the speedo change but the odo didn't increment. I just need to get to the bottom of the extra bytes in the speed message.

Did your 09 send any additional messages from my RS cluster that could help you out with that? I know you said you were going to try that out in my thread...dont know~

[CTScott]

Did your 09 send any additional messages from my RS cluster that could help you out with that? I know you said you were going to try that out in my thread...dont know~

My 09 sent the same data to both its own cluster and to your RS cluster. It's entirely possible that the odo increment data is sent in an entirely different message. I have 11 more messages from the 09 data capture to decipher.

[Lewis]

Scott - what about starting a new thread keeping us informed on the progress and release of the Yargauge? It seems like the best answer for so many of us who want a tach but within the confines of the existing OEM cluster setup (i.e. not a separate tachometer on the dash and don't want to have to mess with the odometer flashing.

This thread on the OZ cluster is about as dead as a doornail.

[*MAD DOG*]

This thread on the OZ cluster is about as dead as a doornail.

Maybe for you but not for me. I'm hoping Scott can figure out a way to make the Km/L and gear display work.

[Lewis]

sorry Tony- my mistake in wording- I just meant that for all the folks looking for a tach in the cluster it was dead- not dead for everyone.

[CTScott]

Scott - what about starting a new thread keeping us informed on the progress and release of the Yargauge? It seems like the best answer for so many of us who want a tach but within the confines of the existing OEM cluster setup (i.e. not a separate tachometer on the dash and don't want to have to mess with the odometer flashing.

This thread on the OZ cluster is about as dead as a doornail.


The YarGauge has its own thread that I update.

Lewis, If you don't mind I'll attempt to make the necessary modifications to make the OZ cluster visible to the USDM driver.

[CTScott]

Maybe for you but not for me. I'm hoping Scott can figure out a way to make the Km/L and gear display work.

Tony, we need to find someone who has a digital cluster that actually displays it. I can send them one of my CAN bus sniffers and walk them through grabbing some data for me.

Based on the reverse engineering that I've done so far on the clusters, I believe that we will find that the ECM does the calculations and sends the message up to the cluster. I just need to figure out the message ID and packet structure of that message, as all of the data needed to do the calculation is already available.

[*MAD DOG*]

Tony, we need to find someone who has a digital cluster that actually displays it. I can send them one of my CAN bus sniffers and walk them through grabbing some data for me.

Based on the reverse engineering that I've done so far on the clusters, I believe that we will find that the ECM does the calculations and sends the message up to the cluster. I just need to figure out the message ID and packet structure of that message, as all of the data needed to do the calculation is already available.

Looks like i'm up shit creek without a paddle then cause it don't work here in Australia or next door in New Zealand..........

All I can find is you tube videos of it working....

Gear Display works (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlNEq-xNwHQ)

It appears on this one the Km/L works as there is something lit up under the clock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDzBT9kxC2I&NR=1)

I don't think any of these guys are on the forum and from what I understand the Km/L and Gear display works in Europe and I ain't anywhere near Europe.

[*MAD DOG*]

The YarGauge has its own thread that I update.

Lewis, If you don't mind I'll attempt to make the necessary modifications to make the OZ cluster visible to the USDM driver.

Don't give up hope yet. :thumbsup:

[CTScott]

Looks like i'm up shit creek without a paddle then cause it don't work here in Australia or next door in New Zealand..........

We just need to find someone who has a paddle... Maybe a YW member in Europe or Japan who's Yaris has the mileage section active.

[advocate]

I don't think all hope has to be given up. Does the plastic cover on the cluster help angle the display more towards the RHD or is the VFD the part that is angled really far over?

[Lewis]

Scott- use it any way you think it can be helpful.

Lew

[CTScott]

I don't think all hope has to be given up. Does the plastic cover on the cluster help angle the display more towards the RHD or is the VFD the part that is angled really far over?

The plastic cover is flat like on the USDM ones. All the smoke and mirrors happens behind there.

[*MAD DOG*]

Any updates Scott?

[CTScott]

I haven't done much more with the OZ one. I am still trying to figure out the protocol for the odometer when using an ABS cluster on a non ABS car. I have the speedo working, but still can't get the odo correct. So far it either increments way too slow or way too fast.

As for figuring out the MPG / kML display for you, we need someone with a Yaris that has the fuel economy display working in their country to do a CAN bus capture for me to figure out the messaging from the ECM to the cluster that makes that display active. If we can find a volunteer, I can supply the CAN bus sniffer.

[birdman]

Are there left hand drive digital clusters out there? Seems to me I saw one on an acceleration video.

[CTScott]

Are there left hand drive digital clusters out there? Seems to me I saw one on an acceleration video.

Yes.

[Lewis]

I guess a left hand drive digital cluster would be the HOLY GRAIL for us here in the USA. Sort of like a left handed monkey wrench? Actually I think it's what Toyota supplies to Germany, France, Italy etc.

After my frustration with the RHD one I'll be going with the Yargauge which in it's own way IS digital and analog --- so Scott has invented the Hybrid cluster which probably gets the best mileage?

[birdman]

Having a digital cluster would be very cool if there would be some way to convert it from kilometers to US miles. Is that realistically possible?

[CTScott]

Having a digital cluster would be very cool if there would be some way to convert it from kilometers to US miles. Is that realistically possible?

Yes. The digital clusters have text on them for km and miles. The can be reprogrammed to switch from one mode to the other via the techstream tool.