ultra-light 14" or 15" wheels for Yaris 3dr

[leandro82]

What's a good choice for a light but durable wheel at 14" or 15" to replace the stock 14" steelies on a base liftback?

I am not interested in anything bigger than 15" and 14" would prob. be better. I like to do solo and some other AutoX from time to time. TE37s were recommended but these are ~$300 each. Cannot find SSR-C in the small size. Any other choices?

Thanks

[ItsMyDaily]

I'll be getting the ssr competitions myelf. 8lbs for the 15"!!!! Tire rack only has 16" right now, but if your patient like I am being then you can get the 15" in due time.

If your looking for cheap rims that weigh nothing then try the rs watanabe's. They also weigh around 8lbs i believe for the 15" and aren't nearly as expensive as the te37's

[leandro82]

I'll be getting the ssr competitions myelf. 8lbs for the 15"!!!! Tire rack only has 16" right now, but if your patient like I am being then you can get the 15" in due time.

If your looking for cheap rims that weigh nothing then try the rs watanabe's. They also weigh around 8lbs i believe for the 15" and aren't nearly as expensive as the te37's

Thanks, who sells the RS Watanabe's and how do they rate in durability?

SSR-C seems to be the best option right now. I know they make small wheels for Miatas and the like, will keep my eyes on Tire rack for them.

[ItsMyDaily]

not sure where you can get them, but they have been around for a long time. You often see them on 86 corolla's, or 240sx's, datsuns, etc. Try searching to see who can supply these online. Actually I think there is a yarisworld member who has a set himself if I remember correctly. Sometimes you can find them on ebay for around $400

[jmew0ng]

make sure it's rs watanabe and not konig rewinds haha.

[ItsMyDaily]

make sure it's rs watanabe and not konig rewinds haha.

true. the konig rewinds look great, but they are a bit heavy.

[BulletProofAuto]

i can source the rs watanabe's for you brand new, but you'll find that the pricing is really not much better then the volks.

best price on wheels right now are between the buddy clubs and the work emotion cr-kai.
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1818
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1189
if you want some crazy widths and offsets look at the work equips. the rays gram lights are cheaper then the volks also, and they're very light.

[leandro82]

i can source the rs watanabe's for you brand new, but you'll find that the pricing is really not much better then the volks.

best price on wheels right now are between the buddy clubs and the work emotion cr-kai.
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1818
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1189
if you want some crazy widths and offsets look at the work equips. the rays gram lights are cheaper then the volks also, and they're very light.

Thanks John - how do the gram lights compare to Volks, which I always hear great things about? These days it seems 14's just out of the question / only for track use. Call me crazy but I like the look of the small, tidy wheels on this car.

Looking at 185's or 195's with 50-60 series, that gives about 6.0-6.5 width let's say?

So far I've got:

Volk TE37s (http://www.enduromotorsports.com/RaysTE37s.html) 14x6 to 15x6.5 $265 to $320
Volk CE28N (http://www.enduromotorsports.com/RaysCE28N.html) 15x6.5 $300
Kodiak (http://www.kodiakracingwheels.com/wheel-prices.php) 14x6.5 about $300 and up but can get them cheap from a friend
SSR-C (http://www.gruppe-s.com/SSR/SSR_TypeC.htm) 14x6 $253, 15x6 $281
Gram Lights 57s (http://www.enduromotorsports.com/Rays57S.html) 15x6.5 $200
Work Emotion CR Kai (http://www.evasivemotorsports.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=WORKCR-1570&Category_Code=WORK-EMO-CR-KAI&Store_Code=EM) 15x7 $241

I don't know what kind of leeway I can handle in terms of offsets, will keep lookin into this.

[SAKU]

how about some work rims???
they look pretty good
somethin like the emotion cr kai???
:iono:

[leandro82]

how about some work rims???
they look pretty good
somethin like the emotion cr kai???
:iono:

How much do those weigh, do you know? The Emotion CR 15x7 in wheelweights is listed at 15lbs which is not that much lighter than the 14" steelies (about 18 lb).

[ItsMyDaily]

you know if your just looking for track rims with a good price then maybe something like the rota attacks. 15x6.5 and they weigh 10lbs. Very cheap rims also. Probably can get all four for around 300-400.

[leandro82]

Well frankly I would prefer the strength of forged wheels as this car will be a daily driver. I already have a Miata which will become the dedicated track machine.

Paying $250 a corner for wheels on a Yaris is kinda silly I will admit, but I don't mind so much for high quality rims. It is looking like SSR-C or Volks at this point. Thanks everyone for the replies.

[grimez]

I am down to either the Rota Attacks (http://www.wheelspecs.com/specs/wheelmodels/1013) or the Konig Heliums (http://www.wheelspecs.com/specs/wheelmodels/489).

[OK Yaris]

I am down to either the Rota Attacks (http://www.wheelspecs.com/specs/wheelmodels/1013) or the Konig Heliums (http://www.wheelspecs.com/specs/wheelmodels/489).


I've been running the Heliums with the 185/60/15 stock tires for a month now. I bought them from the e-bay seller on your link. We had a problem with some casting flash on the hub of one of the wheels. The seller replaced it with no problems.

I feel the handling improved just by replacing the wheels. The tire sidewall is more straight up and down now due to the wider rim width of the Helium vs. stock 15" steelie. I have photos in the garage area of Yarisworld.

:thumbup: for the seller and the wheels.

[ItsMyDaily]

I've been running the Heliums with the 185/60/15 stock tires for a month now. I bought them from the e-bay seller on your link. We had a problem with some casting flash on the hub of one of the wheels. The seller replaced it with no problems.

I feel the handling improved just by replacing the wheels. The tire sidewall is more straight up and down now due to the wider rim width of the Helium vs. stock 15" steelie. I have photos in the garage area of Yarisworld.

:thumbup: for the seller and the wheels.

The heliums are 15x7 correct? no problems with using the stock tires on them at all?

[OK Yaris]

The heliums are 15x7 correct? no problems with using the stock tires on them at all?

Absolutely no problems. The Heliums are 15x6.5.

[grimez]

I love the look of the Rota Attacks, but the heliums are cheaper, and lighter... im stuck in a tough decision.

[SimmZ]

Choose any wheels you want, but please stay far away from the Konig Helium...

Ref.:
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2328

[bigsky2]

Heliums are fine, no need to spread paranoia SimmZ :thumbdown:

[SimmZ]

Heliums are fine, no need to spread paranoia SimmZ :thumbdown:

Picture speak by itself! There's nothing to add when you saw a picture like that! :rolleyes:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e117/BlackBalt/heliumcrack1.jpg

[ItsMyDaily]

Picture speak by itself! There's nothing to add when you saw a picture like that! :rolleyes:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e117/BlackBalt/heliumcrack1.jpg

That does look bad, but I've also seen plenty of the same type of pictures of different rims from different companies. I can see them having a flaw once in a while out of the thousands they produce, and you also have to look at driving condition. How were they driving, repeated stress, not cautious of bumps, etc. Personally I like the wheels, but pictures like these are always good to see. Gives you an idea of what may or may not happen to you.

[bigsky2]

Picture speak by itself! There's nothing to add when you saw a picture like that! :rolleyes:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e117/BlackBalt/heliumcrack1.jpg

I agree SimmZ, the picture does speak for itself.

But that's one, two, a few out of how many sold and still on the road today?
Wheels are wear goods, they will crack, or worse, break like the picture above at any given time.

I'm more concerned about how these particular wheels cracked..

[johnnyfive]

my guess would be some kind of road racing...and there have been plenty of rota's that have broke auto xing..sorry no pics, but that is just the truth for budget rims...

[SimmZ]

my guess would be some kind of road racing...and there have been plenty of rota's that have broke auto xing..sorry no pics, but that is just the truth for budget rims...

I don't think it only happen during road racing. I have a friend who break a budget light weight wheel only when coming back from work and hitting a stupid little hole on the road when driving at speed limits on highway. :frown:

[leandro82]

Ouch! This is why to me it's worth the extra $$$ for forged wheels, even though they will break too if you abuse them...

[grimez]

The picture was enough to freak me out, I think im going to go with the Rota Attacks. However, anyone else got any good 16x6.5's with the 4x100 bolt pattern?

[static808]

can people give a breakdown as to which budget lightweight wheels are forged alloys and which aren't?? i was about to buy some konigs as well, but now am completely lost as to what to do. rotas look nice and are inexpensive (circuit 10s are calling to me), but i dont think they are forged alloys either, so they might break just as easily as the konigs. any insight would be grealty appreciated!!

--B

ps: this will be a commuter car, so maybe we should just get the toyota 15in accessory alloys. we do like how that looks, and the warranty issue would be a plus...they run $165 a pop...

[OK Yaris]

Just don't run black wall tires. They'll blow out. There's thousands of photos all over the internet. Better get some white-walls. You never see them blow out. Safest tire on the road, I tell ya' :bellyroll:

[03Z33]

The US importer for RS-Watanabe are www.takumiproject.com Awesome wheels, and very light, but $$$

There is a set of 15x7 +35 Volk CE28's at Aspec for CHEAP (~$1200 for all four). I personally weighed these on a postal scale and they weigh in at 9.2lbs. each! www.aspecproducts.com

If you're interested in my track wheel setup, I'm considering selling them also... 15x7 +35 RS-Watanabe Cyclones (forged magnesium), they weigh 8.7 lbs. each and have Bridgestone RE55S 195/55/15 R-compound tires mounted. These are discontinued and super rare (probably the only set in North America) and I'll let them go for $1300 with tires.

[grimez]

I don't have a ton of cash, and it is just a Yaris... so im just looking for a quality wheel to replace the ones I have. Looking around tirerack.com for 15 inchers that fit on the Yaris, I found the Rial Campo's, but they are cheaper than the Konig Heliums. This leads me to the question: With the controversy of the quality of the Heliums goin on, how good can a wheel that is cheaper really be? I don't know much about comparative brands for wheels, so I could use some guidance here.

[ChinoCharles]

There is no controversy... the Helium is a really good option for the price if you're looking for lightweight rims. If there were ANY concerns about the safety of the wheels, Rota would have pulled the plug on that model immediately. Do you honestly think that a wheel company wants thousands of people rolling on their faulty product in America, the lawsuit capitol of the world? HELL NO

Simmz is just trying to start shit, haha. Take that picture/video with a large, large grain of salt. Like, pretzel salt or something... rock salt. IDK

[SimmZ]

Simmz is just trying to start shit, haha. Take that picture/video with a large, large grain of salt. Like, pretzel salt or something... rock salt. IDK

The pics talk by themselves! The video is a kind of animated slideshow with a SHIT LOAD of pictures... what can I say more? Just check by yourself, there's nothing to argue when you have pictures like that. No photoshop, no shit, just real life. Helium are pure crap. You can't pay 75$ a wheel and expect to have a high quality strong wheel, it's doesn't make sense! :rolleyes:

[OK Yaris]

The pics talk by themselves! The video is a kind of animated slideshow with a SHIT LOAD of pictures... what can I say more? Just check by yourself, there's nothing to argue when you have pictures like that. No photoshop, no shit, just real life.

No, the pics don't really speak for themselves. There's no story with the photos(BS or otherwise). So, you're right, there's nothing to argue about since we really don't know how these wheels were damaged.

Drop off your most expensive forged wheels to my shop, made of Kryptonite for all I care, and in less than 5 minutes I can make them look like your photos(or worse). OK, maybe even 30 seconds if you let me use power tools.

I think the story would have been different if these were actually your photos and you had something to back it up. But, you just scraped them off wwwdotpimpleonyourbuttcrackdotcom...........and all we keep seeing are re-runs.

(Gee, I hope that isn't a real website)

I think the Heliums are fine for me and a lot of other folks on the road under normal conditions you would expect to find. Would they make a good rally wheel? Definitely not. But, for my 76 mile round trip drive to work on the highway, they'll work just fine.:burnrubber:

[bigsky2]

The pics talk by themselves! The video is a kind of animated slideshow with a SHIT LOAD of pictures... what can I say more? Just check by yourself, there's nothing to argue when you have pictures like that. No photoshop, no shit, just real life. Helium are pure crap. You can't pay 75$ a wheel and expect to have a high quality strong wheel, it's doesn't make sense! :rolleyes:

Like I said SimmZ, the pictures you posted show one, two, maybe only a handul of incidents with the Konig Helium.

Yes, the picture speaks for ITSELF, but not for the entire line of Konig Heliums.

And like I also stated before, I would really like to know how these wheels cracked and subsequently deteriorated. What circumstances? What conditions were they subjected to? Were these individuals being idiots and loading their cars with too much weight? Were these individuals running them on extended wheel studs without proper configuration?

We honestly do not know, and until we do, it cannot be said that the entire line of Konig Heliums are asbolute crap and everyone should avoid it like a disease.

It's doesn't make sense to take a picture of one broken rim, and say that the all the same wheels sucks. Does it?

This sort of paranoia is no different than fanboyism, in fact it's the same thing.

[03Z33]

We all know Rotas suck, they've always sucked and will continue to suck. Get over it. If you like them that's fine.

If you plan to track your car, stay away.

You need first decide what your priorities are:

Cheap
Strong
Light

You can't have all three.

If you want cheap and light get the Rota's (but be warned, they are not the strong)

If you want cheap and strong get something like the wheels you mention from the Tire Rack (but be warned they are HEAVY)

If you want strong and light get something like the Volks or Watanabes (a little pricier, but well worth it IMHO)!

:thumbup: :thumbup:

[the_saint]

^^well said.

[bigsky2]

We all know Rotas suck, they've always sucked and will continue to suck. Get over it. If you like them that's fine.

If you plan to track your car, stay away.

You need first decide what your priorities are:

Cheap
Strong
Light

You can't have all three.

If you want cheap and light get the Rota's (but be warned, they are not the strong)

If you want cheap and strong get something like the wheels you mention from the Tire Rack (but be warned they are HEAVY)

If you want strong and light get something like the Volks or Watanabes (a little pricier, but well worth it IMHO)!

:thumbup: :thumbup:

Yes, Rotas are quite cheap. But we are talking about the Konig Helium :wink:

No doubt, the Helium is also a cheap wheel.

What really irritates me is how some people use "cheap" wheels like Rotas, Konig Heliums, etc, for high stress purposes like auto-x and then complain that they fail. Come on people, are you going to enter a construction site wearing a bicycle helmet?

These wheels weren't meant for auto-x'ing, depsite the RACING label on the rim. They just aren't designed for that purpose.

My gut feeling is that some people bought Rotas, cheaper Konigs, ran them at auto-x, fucked them up, and then presented their sob story on a forum.

Again, I see no reason how these wheels (Konig Helium) would crack or fail under normal driving conditions.

[03Z33]

Haha, it must have been a slip... I automatically think Rota, Konig, etc.. as all the same :wink:

I have to disagree about the track driving though... most racetracks are well maintained and smooth, the only times you usually see damage is when people go off track or are using mega sticky race tires with very stiff cars/suspension.

Most times I see damaged wheels is on roads where people hit pot-holes, curbs, uneven roads, drain ditches, etc... To me that is a lot more abuse and that is where you really need to make sure you have the strongest wheel possible. In fact, many "race" wheels are rated for "track use only" and are not DOT approved and aren't recommended to be used for street for that very reason.

One thing to consider is that the wheel the Konig Helium or Rota copy was originally designed as a Forged wheel. This is the only reason they could get away with making such thin spokes and still keeping the necessary strength. When this wheel is copied using a lesser design, such as casting with lesser materials, that is when it becomes unsafe. Don't get me wrong, chances are most people will never have a problem with the wheel, and even I'm tempted by the low cost and good looks. But you need to be aware that there is some risk when compromising on this type of product.

[eTiMaGo]

http://www.rayswheels.co.jp/emenu/datas2/GARCIA/010_ROTTY/logo.jpg

End of story. If you manage to break this wheel........ lol

[03Z33]

I used to have these on my VW

http://www.work-wheels.co.jp/wheels/index/lsled/view1.jpg

They're actually not so heavy :laugh:

[eTiMaGo]

yeah gotta love that funky retro styling :wink:

[Russelt3hPirate]

"attached image"

is the smily covering up a crack? :lol:

[OK Yaris]

is the smily covering up a crack? :lol:


Nope. It's covering up the duct tape I used to fix the crack. :bellyroll:

[YarisPR]

Get some 16 steelies and have fun:biggrin: they are bigger maybe the are wider and not that heavy :biggrin: and wount cost u a lot :thumbsup:

[grimez]

I really like the looks of these (http://www.tirerack.com/servlet/CallJsp?target=wheelSearchCloseUp&wheelIndex=4&sizeIndex=0&showRear=no&setIndex=0&filterSize=15&filterFinish=&filterSpecial=).

They say they are lightweight at 18.5lbs... for 15 inchers, isn't that a lil heavy to be considered lightweight?

[the_saint]

I really like the looks of these (http://www.tirerack.com/servlet/CallJsp?target=wheelSearchCloseUp&wheelIndex=4&sizeIndex=0&showRear=no&setIndex=0&filterSize=15&filterFinish=&filterSpecial=).
They say they are lightweight at 18.5lbs... for 15 inchers, isn't that a lil heavy to be considered lightweight?The number you are trying to reach is no longer in service. Pease hang up and try your call again.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/mlsaint78/pics/tirerack.jpg

But to answer your question, yeah 18.5# is kinda heavy for a 15"

[grimez]

Oh, I was looking at the OZ Superleggra's FYI.

[the_saint]

Do you mean superturimso?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/mlsaint78/pics/bspsuperturismo.jpg
They are sharp looking. :cool:

[grimez]

Ya, those are the ones... pretty sure I'm going to get those. They are a lil' heavy, but the price is right for the quality.

[03Z33]

But to answer your question, yeah 18.5# is kinda heavy for a 15"


Kinda heavy? :eek: Those are heavier then my 18x10" wheels for my other car! That's also heavier then the stock steel wheels. You can find much lighter wheels for this budget without having to worry about cheap quality..

[ChinoCharles]

So, c'mon 03Z33, divulge!

[03Z33]

A great site to search most common wheel weights is www.wheelweights.net

Here are some common choices:

5Zigen FNO1R-C $80-$160 each depending on size and color
15x7 +33 and 15x7 +42 both 14lbs
16x7 +33 and 16x7 +42 both 15lbs
17x7 +42 16lbs

5Zigen GN+ $100-$140 each depending on size and color
15x7 +42 15lbs
16x7 +42 16lbs
17x7.5 +42 17.5lbs
18x7.5 +43 19lbs

Buddy Club P1 Racing $135 each
15x6.5 13lbs

AME-Wheels Tracer TSSC $225 each
15x7 10.8lbs

Enkei RP-F1 $190 each
15x7 +35 9.8lbs
15x7 +41 9.5lbs

Falken Hanabi $89 each
15x7 +42 11lbs

Enkei Rs5 $100 each
15x7 +40 15lbs

there's plenty more, these are just the first ones that came to mind. You can search all day, some of the easier sites to search are:

www.tirerack.com
www.tires.com
www.edgeracing.com
www.vilventire.com

and of course don't forget our forum sponsors when it comes time to buy :smile: