first oil change?

[wushumasterku]

the sticker on the windshield says 8000 km. isn't that a bit too long? usually i do it every 5000km or so. any comments on the first oil change?

[stuffy]

toyotas have a much better oil filter than most cars and don't need the oil changed as often

[echo_hrs]

I still do mine at either 6 months, or 5000 km, whichever comes first...

My first oil change was just done, 6 months with only 900 km on it...

[jcove]

the sticker on the windshield says 8000 km. isn't that a bit too long? usually i do it every 5000km or so. any comments on the first oil change?

I went in at a little over 5000. I just couldn't wait, but I also have 4 free oil changes, so I also didn't have to worry about the cost. This was on another thread. It's good insurance to change it sooner rather than later, in my opinion. There are sever duty maintenance schedules that cover what we drive in here in Canada, so I think it's a good idea. Just my two cents.

[Mad Munchkin]

the sticker on the windshield says 8000 km. isn't that a bit too long? usually i do it every 5000km or so. any comments on the first oil change?
I just picked up my car this Monday and the sales guy pointed out that even though the manual says 8000K for the first change, he already booked my in for a Sept. service. He also suggested that by that time if I'm not at 8000K yet, I should still come in. I will because a wise man once told me that the best mechanic for any car is really regular oil changes (dad) and so far so good. I changed the oil on my tercel every 3 months. Besides, I found out at my dealership I'll never have to pay for any of my oil/filter changes as long as I own the car! So no skin off my (|).

[jcove]

I just picked up my car this Monday and the sales guy pointed out that even though the manual says 8000K for the first change, he already booked my in for a Sept. service. He also suggested that by that time if I'm not at 8000K yet, I should still come in. I will because a wise man once told me that the best mechanic for any car is really regular oil changes (dad) and so far so good. I changed the oil on my tercel every 3 months. Besides, I found out at my dealership I'll never have to pay for any of my oil/filter changes as long as I own the car! So no skin off my (|).

Sweet deal!!! How'd you manage that?:bow:

[why?]

Odds are no matter how long you wait it will not be long enough. I knew a dude that worked for a really expensive car place and he did oil changes for BMW's, benzes, etc. He said he was able to take the oil from the cars and use it in his for 3000 or so miles. Even the BMW's that had oil change testers always had the cars coming in with 80% clean oil or so.

However, you can't do the first oil change too early.

[foober]

MY dad said that during the depression that people only replaced the oil filter.

[swng]

Odds are no matter how long you wait it will not be long enough. I knew a dude that worked for a really expensive car place and he did oil changes for BMW's, benzes, etc. He said he was able to take the oil from the cars and use it in his for 3000 or so miles. Even the BMW's that had oil change testers always had the cars coming in with 80% clean oil or so.

However, you can't do the first oil change too early.

That is very interesting. Sounds unbelievable but as a matter of fact, Mercedes Benz nowadays requires oil to be changed on their newer models every 20,000 km, that is about 12,000+ miles.
So nice to be able to read vastly different views.

[swng]

MY dad said that during the depression that people only replaced the oil filter.
Also, in some places, people still recycle used oil. In other words, they make used oil reusable. Some places even have such oil on sale. I have forgotten where this happens but I firmly believe that this is true. In fact in Canada, used oil cannot be discarded casually. There are locations that one must take their oil to. I suspect(note: suspect)that apart from for environmentally safe disposal, some if not all used oil may just be collected for recycling.

[harves]

On the echo it was 5k for me or 6 months what every come first

[Mad Munchkin]

jcove:
Honestly, I didn't manage it at all; it's their dealership policy (Country Hills Toyota, Calgary). Trust me, I was shocked when I heard because it was the first time I'd been told that in the whole two months I've been talking to them. So only on the day I picked up my car, did they tell me as we went over the service schedule. Obviously, it's an awesome policy and it ensures that you keep coming back to their dealership.

swng:
interesting factoids and opinions about recycled oil...you could have something there with the recycling of used oil from the used oil depots; and lucky us, we get to pay the environmental taxes up front so they can then recycle our used oil and sell it back to us in a different form? I would'nt be surprised.:iono:

[swng]

jcove:
Honestly, I didn't manage it at all; it's their dealership policy (Country Hills Toyota, Calgary). Trust me, I was shocked when I heard because it was the first time I'd been told that in the whole two months I've been talking to them. So only on the day I picked up my car, did they tell me as we went over the service schedule. Obviously, it's an awesome policy and it ensures that you keep coming back to their dealership.

swng:
interesting factoids and opinions about recycled oil...you could have something there with the recycling of used oil from the used oil depots; and lucky us, we get to pay the environmental taxes up front so they can then recycle our used oil and sell it back to us in a different form? I would'nt be surprised.:iono:

Free oil changes for life!? Lucky you friend!
As for recycled oil, I tend to think that it is done, apart from for environmental reasons, also for political correctness. And taxes we pay..............

[hoahmaru]

jcove:
Honestly, I didn't manage it at all; it's their dealership policy (Country Hills Toyota, Calgary). Trust me, I was shocked when I heard because it was the first time I'd been told that in the whole two months I've been talking to them. So only on the day I picked up my car, did they tell me as we went over the service schedule. Obviously, it's an awesome policy and it ensures that you keep coming back to their dealership.

swng:
interesting factoids and opinions about recycled oil...you could have something there with the recycling of used oil from the used oil depots; and lucky us, we get to pay the environmental taxes up front so they can then recycle our used oil and sell it back to us in a different form? I would'nt be surprised.:iono:

I also got free life time oil change at Country Hills Toyota as well. I think celica girl got it as well.

[Island Boy]

I feel that if it's Toyota who is saying every 6 months or 8000km, then why waste money getting it done any sooner(unless of course you have free oil changes). Unless you plan on putting 400,000 km on it before selling it, why bother changing oil before it needs to be done. because changing at 5000km instead of 8000 isn't going to make a difference if you only plan on keeping the car for under 5 years. I had a 1990 Civic with over 300,000km on it when I sold it and I did oil/filter every 6 months 8-9000km and it ran perfect, no blue smoke, nothing. But thats just me, if someone has money to spare, go for it. but if you bought a Yaris to save money on gas, why spend money saved on un-needed oil changes. :iono:

[wushumasterku]

i'm leasing.. what should i do...??

[swng]

If I were in your same position, I will just follow the owner's manual and let Toyota deal with any problems that may arise. It should be their problem:wink:.

[why?]

It really depends on whether or not you are going to keep the car at the end of the lease.

If you are, take care of it. If not, then don't worry too much and do only what is prescribed.

[echo_hrs]

Heck, neglect the sucker, and when it blows up, swap the 1.8 into it...:biggrin:

[why?]

Heck, neglect the sucker, and when it blows up, swap the 1.8 into it...:biggrin:

Heck, if you are going to swap an engine in why not go all the way and drop a MkIV Twin Turbo Supra engine in the back and make it rwd.:clap:

[jcove]

Heck, if you are going to swap an engine in why not go all the way and drop a MkIV Twin Turbo Supra engine in the back and make it rwd.:clap:


:bow: :bow: :drool: :drool: :tongue:

[Mad Munchkin]

I also got free life time oil change at Country Hills Toyota as well. I think celica girl got it as well.
That's awesome...I was stunned and made the salesman repeat it to me three times...great perk. BTW, has celica girl got her car yet? She's probably out burning fuel this weekend like I did the first day I got mine. Suddenly, I had so many errands to run that day...he he.:biggrin:

[hoahmaru]

That's awesome...I was stunned and made the salesman repeat it to me three times...great perk. BTW, has celica girl got her car yet? She's probably out burning fuel this weekend like I did the first day I got mine. Suddenly, I had so many errands to run that day...he he.:biggrin:


I'am not sure if she got her's yet. She'll probably post some pics soon if she did get it. Make sure you post yours soon, can't wait to see it.

[Ron]

i went in for my first oil change at roughly 6500km. my next service is not due until 14,500km, so 8000km interval or 6 months. i will most likely do my own oil/filter changes at the 10k, and 15k intervals just to keep things easily trackable. at the 15k interval, i will be going to a synthetic oil

had i known that my first service was not free, i would have done the oil change myself and save myself the $20 difference.

[stuffy]

hey ron, what are the advantages of synthetic oil, and why are you waiting until 15k?

[Ron]

a full synthetic oil is better at lubricating the engine parts, and has detergents and other additives to help the motor run cleaner reducing carbon build up. it is also more durable than conventional dino oil, allowing oil change intervals to increase.

it is recommended to switch to a synthetic after 12-15k km's so that the rings are properly seated in the motor. the initial break-in for the motor is 1000-1500km's according to the manual, but the actual break-in continues on until 12-15k km's. if you switch to a synthetic too soon, its superior lubricating properties may cause the rings to not fully seat as well as with a dino oil.

for older high mileage (200k and up) cars that have been using dino oil all along, switching to a synthetic may actually cause leaking to occur as the detergents in the synthetic oil 'cleans' out any build ups and deposits internally which may be preventing oil leaks. so older cars that have been on dino oil all along, are recommended generally to stick with dino oil.

[jcove]

a full synthetic oil is better at lubricating the engine parts, and has detergents and other additives to help the motor run cleaner reducing carbon build up. it is also more durable than conventional dino oil, allowing oil change intervals to increase.

it is recommended to switch to a synthetic after 12-15k km's so that the rings are properly seated in the motor. the initial break-in for the motor is 1000-1500km's according to the manual, but the actual break-in continues on until 12-15k km's. if you switch to a synthetic too soon, its superior lubricating properties may cause the rings to not fully seat as well as with a dino oil.

for older high mileage (200k and up) cars that have been using dino oil all along, switching to a synthetic may actually cause leaking to occur as the detergents in the synthetic oil 'cleans' out any build ups and deposits internally which may be preventing oil leaks. so older cars that have been on dino oil all along, are recommended generally to stick with dino oil.

I don't agree 100% on the old car scenario. I agree it CAN cause leaking, but it also cleans up the engine, it runs smoother and you get better milage, due to less friction from the synthetic. I think the pro's outweigh the con's on an older engine. It'll keep it running longer. The leak that you may see in theory, shouldn't be much more than a slight leak, so it's not going to be a huge deal. Just my 2 cents though, not trying to argue.

[why?]

Also note some luxury car manufacturers like BMW and Mercedes deliver their vehicles to the dealerships with synthetic oil already in them.

[foober]

i've used synthetic mobile 1 oil in my two trucks for the last 10 years or longer. And my mechanic has mentioned that my engine is like brand new. That there is no sludge in the engine at all. They both still run very well so I guess I'm doing the right thing.

[Ron]

I don't agree 100% on the old car scenario. I agree it CAN cause leaking, but it also cleans up the engine, it runs smoother and you get better milage, due to less friction from the synthetic. I think the pro's outweigh the con's on an older engine. It'll keep it running longer. The leak that you may see in theory, shouldn't be much more than a slight leak, so it's not going to be a huge deal. Just my 2 cents though, not trying to argue.

true, that is just a scenario. it doesnt happen all the time, but my last 2 cars before the yaris, were at 290k and 255k km's. both had been on dino oil for their life, and its not that dino oil doesnt work well. its just that synthetic works better. IF a leak was sprung from switching to synthetic, there really isnt any way to fix it without replacing seals, gaskets, etc etc. personally for me, the cons outweigh the pros. with a high mileage car, i just make sure the dino oil gets changed every 3-4k km's.

[stuffy]

thanks for the feedback guys

[Ziv]

Hey guys, for those who are in Ontario, I just received a new coupon that if I do my oil change before end of May or somethin' I receive a LED flashlight. If you did not receive the coupon, bug them now.

[yariman]

Not going to get into the whole shpeel again, but synthetic oil sometimes leaks cause it "flows" better. It will seep out of spots that conventional oil won't. Because it flows better, it is better oil. Switch to it when you want, however in past posts Toyota recomends waiting til 16000KM. :wink: As far as oil change intervals, the more often the better. 5000K intervals will help your engine last longer, but if you are not going to keep the vehicle forever, 8000K will certainly not harm it.

[eight_heads]

yeah, full synthetic oil will tend to "slip" by easier than non-snyth. but that only really matters on engines with alot of miles... i'm going to let the rings seat and the engine wear in properly and then go full synthetic

[swng]

Hey guys, for those who are in Ontario, I just received a new coupon that if I do my oil change before end of May or somethin' I receive a LED flashlight. If you did not receive the coupon, bug them now.
Yes, I have received mine too. I am in BC. I had my oil changed on June 1st. I stayed with conventional oil. The flashlight was probably one of the last few that the dealership had. I am glad I have acted fast enough. Thanks!

[eight_heads]

how did you guys get the lifetime oil change? and my car won't be here until the 10th... do you think i will still be able to work that in? i live in Louisiana, USA

[Ziv]

Yes, I have received mine too. I am in BC. I had my oil changed on June 1st. I stayed with conventional oil. The flashlight was probably one of the last few that the dealership had. I am glad I have acted fast enough. Thanks!

Lucky you got it! I was lil late when I arrive at RH Yota, they said they ran out already and doubt there are any left in ontario.

[swng]

Sorry to learn about that :frown: :tongue:. Good luck next time!
Anyway, it may cost you only a few dollars to buy one from the market:smile:.

[Ziv]

yeah, i know. ha ha. How is it tho, nice?

[swng]

Thanks again. It is nice but a bit bulky, probably because of the hand cranking and battery charging mechanisms. I hope next year Toyota will do a similar promotion again and give you a flashlight when you do your oil change.

[jay]

I also received the flashlight. It was a good promotion for Toyota Canada to drum up business and goodwill (they have the $, and know how to make more :wink:).

If there are any inquiring minds out there about the the flashlight itself...

It's an OK promo item. I had to chuckle a bit upon seeing the gift box it came in :tongue: Like other low-cost LED flashlights, it works fine for general close proximity apps, and not so great if you want to illuminate into the distance. As swng mentioned, the unit is a bit bulky, though it's about the same size as what a typical consumer would associate w/a traditional 2D cell flashlight.

Curiosity got the best of me, so I opened it up. Turns out that the thing is much bigger than it needs to be. The NiMH battery (OEM welded, not something you could easily replace w/o proper equipment) is tiny, and there's empty space a-plenty, including a circuit board that is one of the sparsest I've seen in a long time.

IIRC, when fully charged the light ran for about 4.5 hours before it became unusably dim. So hopefully these things will be useful for a few years.

[Ziv]

Interesting, thanks for the info guys, now I hope they do the same promotion soon, sounds like an interesting toy, not great, but wouldn't hurt if it's free. ha ha.