RHD Vitz RS cluster

[Kioshi]

I'll be less discrete in here....

To answer your question from previous thread CTScott...

Cluster indicators working:

High beam
regular beam
fogs (i dont have)
driver seatbelt working
engine sign
no maintenance light
Temp cool and hot
Tach working

Cluster indicators and other indicators on car not working:
passenger seatbelt (the one near the right side center vents...)
passenger airbag (although, after i clicked the seatbelt w/ no passenger, it shows: Airbag off light, I haven't tried w/ passenger seated)
E-brake light on ((!))

NEW DISCOVERY....tonight i went out for a 2 mile drive....i noticed the speedometer DOESN'T work, :iono:???

[Kioshi]

Something just hit me.... Its a direct swap, BUT only for 08 Yaris models and up, because.....08 models started to have the S models which came with a tach (i believe)...so to accomodate the tach, the wiring had to be different setup on 08 basic models too. 07 models and below did not have S models or tachs. The wiring is different on 07 versus the 08....

Gideon on here had the cluster working perfectly (08' model), but my speedometer wont work on mine (07' model)

KM conversion to mph I'll get use to....just use my GPS as a reference guide for a few days, then i have it memorized lol.
I have to adjust the kms on the cluster to those miles on my current one...

EDIT: Anyone w/ an 08' base or S Yaris model...could you show me a close up shot of the two connectors that connect to the cluster? Or a diagram from the 08 S Owner's manual...?

[Kioshi]

The 08 S cluster, does that work on an 07 Yaris? A base no tach cluster will work on an 07... I've seen that....

Gideon's 08 base made the JDM cluster work plus his current one...i strongly think it has to do w/ wiring on the 07 versus 08 models....

[Gideon]

Yeah, the cluster worked fine in my car.

Advocate and I took it in my car for a spin to verify it was all good, and as far as I was aware, it worked fine. I don't know about dimming, (it was bright, but I had my instrument lights on the highest setting as usual) but I recall that everything else was operational because I was taking note of my shift speed at redline to verify it was reporting speed correctly.

Also I recall pointing out that it was nice to have just one light on the cluster, which was my airbag light, (always on because of the driver seat removal) instead of two (TPMS light going off on my stock cluster, JDM doesn't have it AFAIK) so as far as I was aware, indicators worked fine. (Headlight, high beam light, etc)

[Kioshi]

Funny...the (SRS) airbag light stays ON in my car too...And i have stock seats haha. I want to see if a passenger sitting on the right side will make it go away. Nonetheless, the SRS light and brake light don't bother me or effect the car in any way.

I'll wait for you and CTScott tomorrow and conquer this piece~

[CTScott]

USDM 07-09 wiring is identical, except for additional signals that were added with new features (none were moved though). The tach is not fed by signal wire on the cluster. The clusters with a tach actually get the tach data from the ECM via CAN bus.

The speedometer is fed off of the transmission speed sender unit on non-ABS cars, and via CAN bus from the Brake Actuator on ABS equipped cars.

Emergency Brake signal is sent over CAN bus, but brake fluid level is fed by direct signal.

Where wire swaps come into play is with RHD vs LHD cars, and there are some differences
with European (TMMF) vs Japanese (TMC) cars.

The EWD that I am referencing is a European one, which has the details for TMC and TMMF manufactured cars, ones with and without VSC, with and without automatic A/C, and with and without the entry and start system (push button start). I would really like to get my hands on a set of JDM EWDs to see if there are any differences from the one I am looking at.

[CTScott]

Looking at Gideon's post about the Speedo, etc. working properly in his car; It really makes we wonder if your 07 ECM is the issue. For example, if Gideon has ABS and you don't, that could explain the speedo working in his but not on yours.

[Kioshi]

Then how come my ECM sends signal to the tach instead of the speedometer. whereas when I switch back to stock, the speedometer works.

Also, due to my stupidity, i drove to work w/ the JDM cluster.

Update 2: Aside from speed not working, the odo kilomters dont work either. It stayed at 60809 kilometers during my 3 mile commute to work...I hope this helps.

I would still like to see the wiring config on the 08'...something tells me in the back of my mind, that that can be the cause....lol..

And the cluster dims when holding the button 3 secs. Thanks for that help :)

Would pics of my connector with the wiring help CTScott?
I know the pins had to be taken out and rewired to make the JDM Vitz RS tail lights work correctly....i think this is the case here too?~

[CTScott]

Then how come my ECM sends signal to the tach instead of the speedometer. whereas when I switch back to stock, the speedometer works.

Also, due to my stupidity, i drove to work w/ the JDM cluster.

Update 2: Aside from speed not working, the odo kilomters dont work either. It stayed at 60809 kilometers during my 3 mile commute to work...I hope this helps.

I would still like to see the wiring config on the 08'...something tells me in the back of my mind, that that can be the cause....lol..

And the cluster dims when holding the button 3 secs. Thanks for that help :)

Would pics of my connector with the wiring help CTScott?
I know the pins had to be taken out and rewired to make the JDM Vitz RS tail lights work correctly....i think this is the case here too?~


I have the USDM EWDs for 07, 08 and 09, so I am sure its not a pin difference thing between the two USDM cars. I just triple checked the USDM ones and the only difference wiring-wise between the three years is the addition of TPWS to pin 6 of the right side connector, everything else is identical.

As for the speedometer issue, My theory is if you don't have ABS, then you have a different ECM than a car with ABS (or at least for 07). The ECM would be programmed to send speed data to the cluster on an non-ABS ECM, whereas on a ABS car it would be programmed to not send it, as the meter would get it from the Brake actuator.

So, why have people been able to swap USDM clusters? Well, maybe it was only 07 USDM ECMs that didn't send the speedo data to the cluster, as maybe ABS was atypical in 07. Then, in 08 the ECM would send it whether it needed to or not. (Again, just me speculating)

Your odo not working makes sense if the speedo isn't working, as the odo is based on the speedo.

[CTScott]

Oh, and as for the tach working, the tach was always CAN based. It didn't have two different feeds like the speedo.

[Kioshi]

I see. Would there be any solution to this, lets say if I installed ABS on my 07..?I think there was an option to do, not quite sure..

Now what really has me sparked is....if i took Gideon's or anyone else's 08 base cluster ( with speedometer only) and tried it on mine..would it work? Since you said 08 ECM sends signal through Brake Actuator..and the 07 sends through transmission speed sensor. And I'd like to see if thats the case~

This is a CVT cluster from the RS. It works flawlessly with my manual tranny, the gears are accordingly done. I took 3rd to 6000rpm, no flaw what so ever..

EDIT: Just read your post about the tach working through the CAN....

[CTScott]

I see. Would there be any solution to this, lets say if I installed ABS on my 07..?I think there was an option to do, not quite sure..

Now what really has me sparked is....if i took Gideon's or anyone else's 08 base cluster ( with speedometer only) and tried it on mine..would it work? Since you said 08 ECM sends signal through Brake Actuator..and the 07 sends through transmission speed sensor. And I'd like to see if thats the case~

This is a CVT cluster from the RS. It works flawlessly with my manual tranny, the gears are accordingly done. I took 3rd to 6000rpm, no flaw what so ever..

EDIT: Just read your post about the tach working through the CAN....

I am thinking that the simplest solution to the speedo issue may be to pick up a newer ECM.

I am very curious as well about trying a newer USDM cluster (ABS equipped) on your 07.

[Kioshi]

I'm totally an idiot when it comes to these things...

Could you obtain the ECM part number by any chance?
And is it something a dealer will only do or can i have tuner shops do this as well?

I will have to arrange w/ Gideon or anyone else in the Bay Area to let me swap out for 5 mins to try the 08+ base cluster..
Advocate, fmicle, ezhacker, can one of you be nice enough to let me do that for 5 mins? :redface: I will buy the person lunch (seriously)...

[CTScott]

I'm totally an idiot when it comes to these things...

Could you obtain the ECM part number by any chance?
And is it something a dealer will only do or can i have tuner shops do this as well?

I will have to arrange w/ Gideon or anyone else in the Bay Area to let me swap out for 5 mins to try the 08+ base cluster..anyone nice enough to let me do that for 5 mins? :redface:


I would try the cluster swap test first. If the speedo doesn't work, then I'd start looking for an ebay or junkyard ECM that is off of an 08 with the same type of transmission. Ideally, you'd want to first try the cluster in someone's 08 that doesn't have ABS. (Or, if Gideon doesn't, then that's already been done.)

[WolfWings]

I'll try to grab my friend's 09 cluster (with ABS) and slap it into my 07 Yaris Liftback (without ABS) and verify the speedo works or not, nothing is a substiture for a live-fire test, ya' know?

May not get it done this week, but I'll try just to rule that in/out.

[Kioshi]

WolfWing - That would be GREATLY appreciated if you could test that out for me. And true that, for a live-fire test :smile:
Also, thanks for the dimmer tip....it worked. When my lights were on, they toggled to dim and then back to bright when lights off..Keep us updated~

CTScott - I just texted Gideon, he has ABS on his. So...i will try to find someone to test out JDM cluster on a non-ABS 08' model...With WolfWing's test results and mine after swapping the clusters from our friends, i hope it will provide you with more concrete solution...

I know Kragen Auto Parts can order refurbished car parts for almost any model...can they order ECM too? I may order it through them instead of ebay or junkyard..

P.S. What does ECM actually stand for? (electronic control management?)
Sorry for asking this so late in this problem...:laugh:

[CTScott]

WolfWing - That would be GREATLY appreciated if you could test that out for me. And true that, for a live-fire test :smile:
Also, thanks for the dimmer tip....it worked. When my lights were on, they toggled to dim and then back to bright when lights off..Keep us updated~

CTScott - I just texted Gideon, he has ABS on his. So...i will try to find someone to test out JDM cluster on a non-ABS 08' model...With WolfWing's test results and mine after swapping the clusters from our friends, i hope it will provide you with more concrete solution...

I know Kragen Auto Parts can order refurbished car parts for almost any model...can they order ECM too? I may order it through them instead of ebay or junkyard..

P.S. What does ECM actually stand for? (electronic control management?)
Sorry for asking this so late in this problem...:laugh:

The ECM (engine control module) is also know as the ECU (engine control unit). If you shop around ebay and junkyards (www.car-parts.com is a national registry of junk yard parts), you can sometimes find them for $50 or less. I missed out on an ebay one for $34.99, when I was looking for one to run on my test bench (Garm loaned me his and I actually have it running one my desk with a bunch of simulated sensor feed circuits for my YarGauge development).

Typically when people sell them they either list the vehicle's VIN and/or what year/features it had (3dr, 5dr or sedan, transmission type, ABS, etc.)

[Kioshi]

I wanted to say if it was similar to ECU or that actually..but thanks for clarifying CTScott. And very much appreciated for the link. I will look on that for the 08 ECU after cluster tests....

I dont mind spending another $100 on making this cluster work.

I know Toyota wont install an 08 ECU on an 07...so best possible place to get this done?

I just checked that link out Scott, no ECU on there in the list for the Yaris...I'll check ebay mostly as i dont think i have time to go to junkyards and look for one...

[Gideon]

Yeah Kioshi there are tons of ECUs on eBay for about $150.

Although I found this one interesting:

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3411/15293047.jpg

[Kioshi]

^^^^Wow.....

Lots of 2007 ECUs on there..I'll keep looking for an 08 manual tranny LB ecu..

If you guys happen to find them before me, post the link on here kindly

[CTScott]

I wanted to say if it was similar to ECU or that actually..but thanks for clarifying CTScott. And very much appreciated for the link. I will look on that for the 08 ECU after cluster tests....

I dont mind spending another $100 on making this cluster work.

I know Toyota wont install an 08 ECU on an 07...so best possible place to get this done?

I just checked that link out Scott, no ECU on there in the list for the Yaris...I'll check ebay mostly as i dont think i have time to go to junkyards and look for one...

Best place is right in your driveway. 4 screws and 2 connectors and your done.

[CTScott]

Yeah Kioshi there are tons of ECUs on eBay for about $150.

Although I found this one interesting:

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3411/15293047.jpg

That's for a 1st gen Vitz.

[Gideon]

Damn, I thought it looked different than our ECU too. Boo.

[Kioshi]

I did search for a DIY on swapping ECUs...and found this thread - http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20371&highlight=ecu+swap

Mike aka mikenacarato says all 09' are equipped w/ ABS, have to find out if all 08's were ABS as well.....

CTScott - this is the location of the ECU i have to swap for an 08 one right? http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5063&stc=1&d=1179195530

Sedan and hatchback share the same ECU? or should i get a hatchback one specifically?
Do i have to remove the whole dash, looks to be that way to get to the 4 screws....

[mr9865]

not all 08s had abs

[CTScott]

That's the main body ECU (which handles things like door locks on a so equipped car). The ECM is the silver box under the hood against the firewall on the left side (with the two big black connectors).

[Kioshi]

So I would need to be looking for Engine ECM/ECU, correct?

Are there reports of anyone having done this in the past, compatible....? CTScott, you have an Garm's ECU..is it identical to the 09's?
Going to small junkyard next week..

[CTScott]

So I would need to be looking for Engine ECM/ECU, correct?

Are there reports of anyone having done this in the past, compatible....? CTScott, you have an Garm's ECU..is it identical to the 09's?
Going to small junkyard next week..

Correct on what you are looking for.

The 06-09 ECMs all look identical, but there are different part numbers on them depending on the features of the car they are used on.

[Kioshi]

Now from what you've told me, the main features the Engine ECM needs to hold is: Manual tranny, liftback, and ABS?

Would a sedan ECU make a difference, or does it have to be liftback? Lots of sedan ECUs on ebay......

[CTScott]

Now from what you've told me, the main features the Engine ECM needs to hold is: Manual tranny, liftback, and ABS?

Would a sedan ECU make a difference, or does it have to be liftback? Lots of sedan ECUs on ebay......

Actually, if Gideon's car is non-ABS and the speedo worked, then you want a non-ABS one. If you put an ABS one in your car, it still may not work, since you don't have the Brake Actuator to send the speed info to the cluster.

I believe that a sedan ECM would be fine in a LB.

[Kioshi]

CTScott, Gideon confirmed to me that his car had ABS in it. Installing an ABS enabled ECM would enable to send speed info through brake actuator then for me? Or would i need to hunt down a brake actuator as well?

Ok, I'll dig up on sedan ECMs as well now...

[CTScott]

CTScott, Gideon confirmed to me that his car had ABS in it. Installing an ABS enabled ECM would enable to send speed info through brake actuator then for me? Or would i need to hunt down a brake actuator as well?

Ok, I'll dig up on sedan ECMs as well now...

You don't have ABS, so you don't have the brake actuator.

I really think that before you spend money on an ECM, that you should test it on an 08 with no ABS.

[Kioshi]

I'll go ahead and do that. But chances of finding someone with an 08 without ABS is slim to none, at least for me in California.. :(

I called my Toyota dealership today and they said they cannot install ABS on my car. Supposedly it comes from the factory installed... So I'm shit out of luck if ABS is required CTScott....

Update 3: SO i had a passenger sitting in my car and the airbag light indicator near the right side vent DOES turn on, but seatbelt indicator does NOT...thats fine for me...no more beep noise~

Do you know of anyone around you w/ an 08 non-ABS yaris lb CTScott? I could ship it out to you, me paying the expenses both ways...

[CTScott]

I'll go ahead and do that. But chances of finding someone with an 08 without ABS is slim to none, at least for me in California.. :(

I called my Toyota dealership today and they said they cannot install ABS on my car. Supposedly it comes from the factory installed... So I'm shit out of luck if ABS is required CTScott....

Update 3: SO i had a passenger sitting in my car and the airbag light indicator near the right side vent DOES turn on, but seatbelt indicator does NOT...thats fine for me...no more beep noise~

Do you know of anyone around you w/ an 08 non-ABS yaris lb CTScott? I could ship it out to you, me paying the expenses both ways...


Actually, Crashy is an 08 non-ABS LB.

[Kioshi]

Actually, Crashy is an 08 non-ABS LB.

Is it still functional, to drive a few mph at least? Sorry I haven't been reading the thread :frown:

If so, would you do the honors?

[CTScott]

Is it still functional, to drive a few mph at least? Sorry I haven't been reading the thread :frown:

If so, would you do the honors?

She's fully drivable (not road legal, but still she can cruise).

She'd be a perfect test platform. And, if it doesn't work on her, I can try it on my 09 while sniffing the CAN bus to see if I can figure out a way to make it work. Thanks to my YarGauge development project I now have a fully functional homemade CAN bus sniffer.

I'll PM you my shipping address.

[Sir A.Y. Atoyot]

That's the main body ECU (which handles things like door locks on a so equipped car). The ECM is the silver box under the hood against the firewall on the left side (with the two big black connectors).
Left side? I thought that the reference for the left and right sides of the car were the driver's left and right hands when seated behind the wheel. For example, on North American cars, the steering wheel is on the left side. The ECU is on the right side. Or am I wrong?

[Kioshi]

Lets hope it works on Crashy.
That be really nice if you could figure out to make it work on an 07 Yaris LB if the latter doesn't work.

Actually I have a gap in my schedule to ship out tomorrow, first thing in the morning. You should get it by Monday at the latest....

Thank you Scott.

Sir A.Y. Atoyot - i think CTScott meant from the perspective of looking at your engine bay standing in front of it. It is on the right from that view..

[CTScott]

Correct. I was thinking of your right or left as you are standing there with the hood open.

[advocate]

Friday Kioshi. But you don't need to buy me Lunch =)
I'll be on the 5th floor of the 7th garage parked near the stairs down. Although you'll beat me there you should park up there first.

For reference my car has 0 packages. It's completely bare bones.

Edit: Just saw you're about to ship it to CTScott. Texting you now just because we might as well try it in my car to make sure that it didn't just break or something. Might as well give it a shot before you send it off for a week or two.

[Kioshi]

The cluster is in CTScott's hands now.
advocate - my moron brother mailed it earlier...

Now the fun begins....

[CTScott]

The cluster is in CTScott's hands now.
advocate - my moron brother mailed it earlier...

Now the fun begins....

It arrived late this afternoon. I will give it a try in the morning.

[Kioshi]

hope it was packed good enough...

Ok, cool.

[CTScott]

hope it was packed good enough...

Ok, cool.

It was well packed. I hooked it up as soon as I got home tonight, but unfortunately with Crashy not having any lights, it was too dark to take it for a spin.

[CTScott]

I just tested it on Crashy, and the speedometer doesn't work either. She is an 08, with an automatic transmission and no ABS. The gear indicator does work, as you can see in the video below.

http://s372.photobucket.com/albums/oo163/ctscott329/International%20Parts/?action=view&current=JDMCluster-Nospeedo.flv



So, now to figure out how to make it work.

[Kioshi]

strange...maybe your assumption of it needing ABS could be true....

fingers crossed that the CAN bus can tell you how to bypass the ABS...

[CTScott]

strange...maybe your assumption of it needing ABS could be true....

fingers crossed that the CAN bus can tell you how to bypass the ABS...

My CAN bus sniffer is proving very helpful. Last night I isolated all of the CAN bus message ID's (about 24 distinct ones on Crashy, who's an 08) to specific CAN devices. This requires unplugging all of the CAN devices except the ECM, and then plugging them in one at a time and sniffing the BUS.

I then sniffed my 09 (who has ABS) and found 12 additional message IDs. I haven't isolated the 09 ones to specific devices yet, as the devices are no where near as accessible as they are on Crashy. One of the new ones that I found on the 09 corresponds with one that someone doing CAN development on the Prius figured out to be the broadcast message of the vehicle speed.

So, hopefully tonight I'll have time to run my 09 on stands while sniffing the "speed" message to see if it does correspond.

[Kioshi]

My CAN bus sniffer is proving very helpful. Last night I isolated all of the CAN bus message ID's (about 24 distinct ones on Crashy, who's an 08) to specific CAN devices. This requires unplugging all of the CAN devices except the ECM, and then plugging them in one at a time and sniffing the BUS.

I then sniffed my 09 (who has ABS) and found 12 additional message IDs. I haven't isolated the 09 ones to specific devices yet, as the devices are no where near as accessible as they are on Crashy. One of the new ones that I found on the 09 corresponds with one that someone doing CAN development on the Prius figured out to be the broadcast message of the vehicle speed.

So, hopefully tonight I'll have time to run my 09 on stands while sniffing the "speed" message to see if it does correspond.

If the 09 corresponds to the Prius broadcast message of the vehicle speed, what would that mean?

Isn't the speed some how related to the mpg meter on the Prius. I know on the older models depending on what speed you were cruising at, it corresponded to the mpg you would be getting....

[CTScott]

If the 09 corresponds to the Prius broadcast message of the vehicle speed, what would that mean?

Isn't the speed some how related to the mpg meter on the Prius. I know on the older models depending on what speed you were cruising at, it corresponded to the mpg you would be getting....


The ECM gets the speed info and then broadcasts it over the CAN for whomever needs it (power steering ECU, etc.). The only significance to the Prius is that someone figured out that particular message. Other than the standard OBD protocol over CAN, there is little to no information out there, so it typically takes lot of work to figure out what data the messages contain.

[Kioshi]

The ECM gets the speed info and then broadcasts it over the CAN for whomever needs it (power steering ECU, etc.). The only significance to the Prius is that someone figured out that particular message. Other than the standard OBD protocol over CAN, there is little to no information out there, so it typically takes lot of work to figure out what data the messages contain.

Oh, i see, that would make it easy then. Hope it matches up to the Prius's code, seeing that they both use the 1.5 liter engine...

This cluster just went from being interesting to complicated in my head now...lol

[CTScott]

Oh, i see, that would make it easy then. Hope it matches up to the Prius's code, seeing that they both use the 1.5 liter engine...

This cluster just went from being interesting to complicated in my head now...lol


It is looking like the two possible solutions for it may be:

1. Install an ABS equipped ECM (but then the question is if you have an ABS ECM without actually having ABS will there be any issues).

2. Build a device that simulates the broadcasting of the speed data. This one sounds crazy, but is actually not that bad. With my YarGauge development work, I have a reference design that I can use. I can already read the speed from the ECM, so I just need to repackage that data into the correct message for the cluster.

Provided that I can figure out the CAN messaging for speed (or that the Prius message ID is the same and therefore I already have), then this is actually fairly simple. And, the hardware that I am using is not too expensive, so I should be able to provide a packaged solution for about $30.

[CTScott]

sounds like a lot of work

looks like it would of been better just to get the USDM cluter, its a bit more but at least everything will read out in MPH rather then KM.

I would buy a car with a swapped cluster that was in KM



It's definitely not a trivial swap, but the USDM ones with a tach seem to be pretty hard to come by.

Now that you mention the km issue, I realized that I can do the conversion in the data sent to the cluster so that 100 kmh = 100 MPH.

[advocate]

It's definitely not a trivial swap, but the USDM ones with a tach seem to be pretty hard to come by.

Now that you mention the km issue, I realized that I can do the conversion in the data sent to the cluster so that 100 kmh = 100 MPH.

Jesus Scott now THAT'S impressive :bow:

I'm loving this thread!

[Kioshi]

It is looking like the two possible solutions for it may be:

1. Install an ABS equipped ECM (but then the question is if you have an ABS ECM without actually having ABS will there be any issues).

2. Build a device that simulates the broadcasting of the speed data. This one sounds crazy, but is actually not that bad. With my YarGauge development work, I have a reference design that I can use. I can already read the speed from the ECM, so I just need to repackage that data into the correct message for the cluster.

Provided that I can figure out the CAN messaging for speed (or that the Prius message ID is the same and therefore I already have), then this is actually fairly simple. And, the hardware that I am using is not too expensive, so I should be able to provide a packaged solution for about $30.

For solution 1, I would have to ask Gideon if he could volunteer for an ECM swap to try that out....(very low possibility of happening, i think)

CTScott, if you could construct a device that broadcasts the speed data, I'd be willing to take that chance and option MORE than a ECM w/ ABS running on a car without an ABS system. I'd rather not have problems down the road w/ an ECM enabled for something and the actual car not having it at all.

CTScott, I'm willing to put down an extra $100+ towards your R&D work (seriously, just ask Gideon) to make the cluster work....

I'm keeping fingers crossed its the same message data from the Prius.

Converting 100 kmh to actual 100 mph? As awesome as it sounds, wouldn't the speed limiter have to be set to 120 kmh then, I dont think the car can handle going 180 kmh ~ 180 mph.....?

[CTScott]

For solution 1, I would have to ask Gideon if he could volunteer for an ECM swap to try that out....(very low possibility of happening, i think)

CTScott, if you could construct a device that broadcasts the speed data, I'd be willing to take that chance and option MORE than a ECM w/ ABS running on a car without an ABS system. I'd rather not have problems down the road w/ an ECM enabled for something and the actual car not having it at all.

CTScott, I'm willing to put down an extra $100+ towards your R&D work (seriously, just ask Gideon) to make the cluster work....

I'm keeping fingers crossed its the same message data from the Prius.

Converting 100 kmh to actual 100 mph? As awesome as it sounds, wouldn't the speed limiter have to be set to 120 kmh then, I dont think the car can handle going 180 kmh ~ 180 mph.....?



It actually wouldn't affect the speed limiter, as I would be getting the "correct" data from the ECM, and then broadcasting the adjusted data to the cluster.

[Gideon]

For solution 1, I would have to ask Gideon if he could volunteer for an ECM swap to try that out....(very low possibility of happening, i think)

Noooope. Not messing around with my ECU. Sorry. :laugh:

This seems like a huge headache, I'm glad you have the patience and drive to get this to work.

Although I can give you a partial refund and give you my Canadian cluster. I forget what year it was from, but it was off of a Yaris w/o ABS that way you at least have a tach. :smile:

[Kioshi]

Noooope. Not messing around with my ECU. Sorry. :laugh:

This seems like a huge headache, I'm glad you have the patience and drive to get this to work.

Although I can give you a partial refund and give you my Canadian cluster. I forget what year it was from, but it was off of a Yaris w/o ABS that way you at least have a tach. :smile:

Nope not letting you finish off the Vitz RS transformation :laugh:

Could you reconfirm that the Asian/Canadian cluster was off from a non-ABS Yaris? If thats the case, would an ECM w/ ABS work with the cluster on a non-ABS car...? hmmm....

[CTScott]

OK - Big time progress. I captured the speed CAN messages on my 09 while driving my little one to dance class tonight. When I got home I analyzed the data and sure enough it is the ECM sending the speed to the cluster.

Here is a quick video of me telling your cluster that I'm revving up to 52 kmh. I have the cluster hooked up to Garm's 07 ECM on my desk with the core processor for my YarGauge project sending the messages that the ECM isn't:


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[Kioshi]

You were right on dot suspecting the ECM to be the cause.

So could the core processor be somehow enabled to send speed signal to the cluster, via ECM?

[CTScott]

You were right on dot suspecting the ECM to be the cause.

So could the core processor be somehow enabled to send speed signal to the cluster, via ECM?

Yes. My solution #2 is spot on. I can have my core talk to the non-ABS ECM to get the speed, and then retransmit it as the message that the cluster needs (and I can do the kmh to MPH translation).

[Kioshi]

Nice.

I'm still a bit confused about the kmh to mph translation/conversion....

Ie: if i were driving 60 kmh looking at the cluster, it would be transmitted as 60 mph if to be clocked by a radar gun? If so, then i would not have any use of going beyond 120 kmh?

Thanks Scott.

[yarisugi]

Just imagine the letters "mph" instead of "kmh" - the numbers on the speedo will be the same.
That way, whatever you see on your speedometer will be the mph reading. (if I understand correctly)

[CTScott]

Nice.

I'm still a bit confused about the kmh to mph translation/conversion....

Ie: if i were driving 60 kmh looking at the cluster, it would be transmitted as 60 mph if to be clocked by a radar gun? If so, then i would not have any use of going beyond 120 kmh?

Thanks Scott.

Correct. If I translate it then when you are doing 60 MPH the pointer will be at the 60kmh line. It would mean that the pointer would never see the right side. I wonder if that's how it works when they get reflashed from kmh to MPH, or do they change the overlay to correct the scale?

[Kioshi]

Correct. If I translate it then when you are doing 60 MPH the pointer will be at the 60kmh line. It would mean that the pointer would never see the right side. I wonder if that's how it works when they get reflashed from kmh to MPH, or do they change the overlay to correct the scale?

Would this effect the rpm of the car then (relate correct rpms to engine speed), i guess i would just reach redline a lot sooner haha...

I can find the answer out tomorrow from Speedo, the place i will go to get my odometer flashed to correct mileage on my car currently...

[Kioshi]

CTScott - If it's too much trouble of translating kmh to mph, i wouldn't mind not having it done on the cluster. I kind of feel bad that I kind of reined on Lewis's cluster and had you work on mine before his, and his being the first priority...:frown:
Unless Lewis is okay w/ it, then yeah...

It would be a learning experience for me to adjust myself to kmh as well...so yeah I wouldn't mind not having it translated if its to much time consuming~

[Lewis]

ok with me Kioshi- we'll need to clone Scott- one genius is not enough!

[CTScott]

The kmh to MPH conversion is no big deal (and would allow a metric cluster to be used without reflashing). I also realized that if the cluster has lower mileage than your car, I can change the ODO with no problem (the cluster doesn't speed limit, so I can feed it max speed {255 kmh}) until it gets to the correct mileage). So this would mean that the clusters could be used without reflashing.

Many of these things which I am learning with Kioshi's cluster will have applicability to Lewis's cluster as well. Even though he has ABS, if he decides to sell, rather than use the cluster, the non-ABS cluster converter could come in handy.

[Kioshi]

From what i remember, the RS cluster has 6080 kilos on it. My USDM cluster has roughly about 27,980 miles...

That would save me a trip to Speedo to get the cluster reflashed. That'd be really nice if you could adjust the odometers to the correct ones on my cluster. If you could let me know before you get to that step, I can give you the exact or a higher estimated number that i have at that time...

True, you could sell multiple copies of the non-cluster converter unit to those wanting to swap in the future.

P.S. with your cluster converter, this is going to be all plug n play, correct? I dont want to be splicing wires and whatnot, esp that smal of a gauge wires..lol

On a second thought, I'd actually like to see the needle hit the other side..dont know why :)

Lewis - so true :laugh:

[CTScott]

From what i remember, the RS cluster has 6080 kilos on it. My USDM cluster has roughly about 27,980 miles...

That would save me a trip to Speedo to get the cluster reflashed. That'd be really nice if you could adjust the odometers to the correct ones on my cluster. If you could let me know before you get to that step, I can give you the exact or a higher estimated number that i have at that time...

True, you could sell multiple copies of the non-cluster converter unit to those wanting to swap in the future.

P.S. with your cluster converter, this is going to be all plug n play, correct? I dont want to be splicing wires and whatnot, esp that smal of a gauge wires..lol

Lewis - so true :laugh:

Sounds good on the ODO piece.

As for plug and play, it will be fairly so. The module will have require four tap splices to existing wires. They can be done at the cluster or at the OBDII port.

I still have to sort out the indicator issues as well. For those I can do cuts and jumps on the circuit board so you don't have to swap any wires.

[Kioshi]

As for plug and play, it will be fairly so. The module will have require four tap splices to existing wires. They can be done at the cluster or at the OBDII port.

Your going to have to tell me how to do that, I've never tapped any wires into any other wires at all. I think the OBDII port would be easier, longer wires? Wires to the cluster seem very short and very little space to work with...

I think you can guide me on this later, when the cluster arrives to me...

[CTScott]

Your going to have to tell me how to do that, I've never tapped any wires into any other wires at all. I think the OBDII port would be easier, longer wires? Wires to the cluster seem very short and very little space to work with...

I think you can guide me on this later, when the cluster arrives to me...

Agreed. The cluster wires are as tight as banjo strings. there's a good amount of slack at the OBD port.

[POORSHA]

Maybe an obdII plug?

[CTScott]

Maybe an obdII plug?

That would be an option, but since it's driving the speedometer, I'd want it more permanent.

[Kioshi]

If tapping wires into other wires is easier than what I'm making it seem in my head, I'd go for that route (waiting on Scott's instructions :tongue:). Techinically, I'd like to keep the OBD II port open for something like..scangauge in the future...and like Scott said, for speedometer, so it should be permanent..

I've soldered wires, thats about it, but that was on R/C cars w/ 12 gauge wires~

[Gideon]

Nope not letting you finish off the Vitz RS transformation :laugh:

Could you reconfirm that the Asian/Canadian cluster was off from a non-ABS Yaris? If thats the case, would an ECM w/ ABS work with the cluster on a non-ABS car...? hmmm....

Nooooooes!! :cry:

Actually, I just got an email that one was found, a 2007 RS cluster so it'll be here in a few weeks. (Although it's for an auto tranny, so we'll see how that goes.) :biggrin:

The Canadian cluster I have was off of a non-ABS Yaris. That I can confirm because I bought it from IKQ and they're pretty top notch on reporting.

What was originally sold to me as the "mad jdm tyte" cluster, I still don't know where it came from, so I don't know anything about it other than it worked in my car. I have the Canadian in my car right now, and the Euro (I'm guessing) cluster is in pieces as I try not to obliterate it by changing the LED colors for fun. :smile:

[Kioshi]

Nooooooes!! :cry:

Actually, I just got an email that one was found, a 2007 RS cluster so it'll be here in a few weeks. (Although it's for an auto tranny, so we'll see how that goes.) :biggrin:

son of a bitch, there's no way to stop you, is there? :laugh::cry:

I guess it'll be named as the infamous Asian cluster. You say Canadian, but I only see kilometers on the cluster and no mph....strange....

I'm sure the RS cluster will work on your car....:thumbsup:

You got PM..lol

[advocate]

Do I see a swap occuring? And jesus james how many clusters do you have? If you have an extra one at the end of all this madness with a tach I'll probably buy it off you with the HIDs. Assuming I can pay off these damn seats in the next century:cry:

[CTScott]

Update on progress with the JDM one:

I can read the vehicle speed from the ECM and send it to the cluster, so the pointer does the correct thing. The issue I am having now is that I can not reliably get it to increment the odo. There are two extra bytes in the CAN message that thus far I can't make sense of (nor find any documentation for). I'll have to do some more watching of data from my 09 to try to make some sense of it.

[Kioshi]

Update on progress with the JDM one:

I can read the vehicle speed from the ECM and send it to the cluster, so the pointer does the correct thing. The issue I am having now is that I can not reliably get it to increment the odo. There are two extra bytes in the CAN message that thus far I can't make sense of (nor find any documentation for). I'll have to do some more watching of data from my 09 to try to make some sense of it.

To increase the kilometers on the odo to the correct ones on my stock cluster?

[CTScott]

To increase the kilometers on the odo to the correct ones on my stock cluster?

That, and just having the odo function correctly.

[Kioshi]

Is the odo taking a slower time to show accurate kilo/miles traveled? Or just misses a few odometers every now and then?

I dont know if this would help or not....i know my stock cluster (adjusted) the miles/kilos i drove testing out the RS cluster. You could try to see after driving a bit, that if the RS cluster adjusts the miles it just did right after starting up your car again....?

[CTScott]

Is the odo taking a slower time to show accurate kilo/miles traveled? Or just misses a few odometers every now and then?

I dont know if this would help or not....i know my stock cluster (adjusted) the miles/kilos i drove testing out the RS cluster. You could try to see after driving a bit, that if the RS cluster adjusts the miles it just did right after starting up your car again....?

It's only incrementing 1/10 km every once in a while (like one or two per hour). I am thinking that the extra bytes are some form of security in the packet to make it difficult to modify the odo data.

That auto update is interesting. The ECM separately receives and stores the mileage, so the cluster must grab a delta from the ECM on powerup. So far I have identified one message from the ECM to the cluster and four from the cluster to the ECM (which send the ECM the indicator status).

[Kioshi]

It's only incrementing 1/10 km every once in a while (like one or two per hour). I am thinking that the extra bytes are some form of security in the packet to make it difficult to modify the odo data.

That auto update is interesting. The ECM separately receives and stores the mileage, so the cluster must grab a delta from the ECM on powerup. So far I have identified one message from the ECM to the cluster and four from the cluster to the ECM (which send the ECM the indicator status).

Those extra bytes can be override somehow when the odo gets reflashed though....

Is there any companies in your area that do odo reflashing? I was thinking of paying you to get it reflashed by a company and do a trial run to see if the odo is functioning correct kilos/miles traveled.....

I can do it here through Speedo, but just in case there is any adjustments that need to be made to the cluster itself, it'd be easier and in your hands already to take a look at and do.... (just a thought)

[CTScott]

Those extra bytes can be override somehow when the odo gets reflashed though....

Is there any companies in your area that do odo reflashing? I was thinking of paying you to get it reflashed by a company and do a trial run to see if the odo is functioning correct kilos/miles traveled.....

I can do it here through Speedo, but just in case there is any adjustments that need to be made to the cluster itself, it'd be easier and in your hands already to take a look at and do.... (just a thought)

The extra byte issue has to do with making it function correctly on a daily basis. The reflashing is completely different.

[Kioshi]

I see.

Toyota really has to make it complicated from jumping 1-2 years ahead in the car model...

[Kioshi]

Any update on the message ID deciphering? Also, a bit thinking ahead, but what happens if out of those 11 remaining messages there is no link to the odo? Could you make another unit that helps the odo to increment accordingly?

I mean, i could...drive it as is, but i would have to calculate how many miles i drove whenever got back home....

[CTScott]

Any update on the message ID deciphering? Also, a bit thinking ahead, but what happens if out of those 11 remaining messages there is no link to the odo? Could you make another unit that helps the odo to increment accordingly?

I mean, i could...drive it as is, but i would have to calculate how many miles i drove whenever got back home....

It's been a busy weekend, but I did make some progress Friday night. I have deciphered how the cluster sends the mileage back to the ECM, but am still working on the other direction.

[Kioshi]

good to hear. It gets closer and closer in solving how the two clusters work on USDM cars.

I meant no rush by my previous comment. I just had a thought and usually I like to prepare myself for worse case scenario.

Enjoy your weekend Birthday guy.

[Kioshi]

I have the speedo working, but still can't get the odo correct. So far it either increments way too slow or way too fast.


From the OZ thread....

Around what estimate would it be that the odo is increasing too fast? If I have to change my oil sooner than 5000 miles...lets say at +/-1200 miles...i wouldn't mind. I just switched to Eneos 0w-20 oil for my car, it can go 10k before changing the oil...so just curious now~

[CTScott]

You wouldn't want it in the high speed mode. The two modes I've been able to achieve so far are ~ .1 km per hour and ~.1 km per second.

[Kioshi]

You wouldn't want it in the high speed mode. The two modes I've been able to achieve so far are ~ .1 km per hour and ~.1 km per second.

.1km per second is pretty fast, understood. What would be manageable then? In the hundredths or tenths digits ~.0025 km per second, if that's possible to get that low....

[CTScott]

I'm not sure yet. The two that I've run into so far were achieved by experimenting with values that I captured from my 09. I really need to figure out the algorithm that is used for the values. I am thinking that it is related to bus timing between message transmissions.

[Kioshi]

I just wanted to throw this on here.

On Friday night, computerlove87 was kind off to let us take out his 09 Yaris S cluster to try onto advocate's 06 Yaris non ABS. To our surprise, the cluster works. The speed was give or take +/- 1-2 mph difference when advocate and I did a 20 mph side by side comparison run....

ABS light stays on but the speedometer works fine and the odo works correctly according to advocate.

CTScott, I was windering does the odo increasement really matter...because, talking to some people and knowing that the RS cluster does not have a maint. light on it..it wouldn't matter for me to be to be keeping track of when to oil change...I dont know?

Or if you've made progress on the odometer at this moment...

[CTScott]

I just wanted to throw this on here.

On Friday night, computerlove87 was kind off to let us take out his 09 Yaris S cluster to try onto advocate's 06 Yaris non ABS. To our surprise, the cluster works. The speed was give or take +/- 1-2 mph difference when advocate and I did a 20 mph side by side comparison run....

ABS light stays on but the speedometer works fine and the odo works correctly according to advocate.

CTScott, I was windering does the odo increasement really matter...because, talking to some people and knowing that the RS cluster does not have a maint. light on it..it wouldn't matter for me to be to be keeping track of when to oil change...I dont know?

Or if you've made progress on the odometer at this moment...


Very interesting. It sounds like on 09s they may have gone back to the speedometer being fed from the speed sensor, rather than from the ECM by way of the ABS speed sensors.

The issue with having the ODO not increment would be that you'd have no idea as to how many miles you've driven (for maintenance purposes) and of course you wouldn't be able to sell the car with the non-functioning ODO in it.

I'm still trying to figure this out, but I think what you found with the 09 cluster may mean that I am chasing my tail. I've been trying to emulate my 09 ECM talking to my 09 cluster. I think I need to sniff the CAN bus on an 08 with ABS to see if the message structure is different (which based on the above, I am 99% sure it will be). Enviri lives fairly close to me and he has an 08 with ABS, so his car would be perfect.

[Kioshi]

kustom - what model was it swapped from and to what model? The mileage works and increments accordingly from advocate and I's study on last friday night. His was an 06, i remember seeing an 07or 08 swap, but not early as an 06 model.....and from what CTScott could be getting on, the message from the CAN bus could be difference depending on the year of the car~~

CTScott - have you PM'ed enviri about having him be a test car for the CAN bus study...
So which option would you be taking now? Have you got better results w/ the odo w/ playing around with different calculations/algorithms?

[CTScott]

kustom - what model was it swapped from and to what model? The mileage works and increments accordingly from advocate and I's study on last friday night. His was an 06, i remember seeing an 07or 08 swap, but not early as an 06 model.....and from what CTScott could be getting on, the message from the CAN bus could be difference depending on the year of the car~~

CTScott - have you PM'ed enviri about having him be a test car for the CAN bus study...
So which option would you be taking now? Have you got better results w/ the odo w/ playing around with different calculations/algorithms?

I haven't hit him up yet, but I will in the near future.

Your JDM one is obviously not an 09 one based on what Kustom play is saying. I forgot about the fact that the 09 ones worked fine in older non-ABS cars. That confirms that Toyota changed the speedometer input back to normal in 09. It also shed some light on why I haven't been able to make sense of the data I am seeing on my 09. It looks like getting 08 ABS cluster comm data is going to be the key for your JDM cluster.

[Kioshi]

Totally didn't cross my mind till late last night. At last fridays meet, there was a Yaris member who is Wisher23 on YarisWorld...he has an 08 non-ABS Yaris S hatchback....w/ a tach in th cluster...

I dont know if this helps you in your further research...

I can contact him to see if he can volunteer for a quick swap on mines to see the results....

My Vitz RS cluster is from an 07 model.....not sure if i mentioned it on the OZ cluster via here~

I dont know why toyota changed the cluster messages for an 08 and revert back to 06-07 models....:thumbdown:

[CTScott]

Enviri and I are getting together this week so I can check out the comm on his ABS 08.

[Kioshi]

Enviri and I are getting together this week so I can check out the comm on his ABS 08.

Sounds good, keep me updated on what you find out from his 08 ABS.

I hope your findings make the odo work correctly :)

I dont want either of us to be stuck at a dead end for several months.

And I'd be willing to pay for enviri's efforts in this research too....

[CTScott]

OK. Good news and bad news: The good news is that Enviri just took a ride up to my place so we could do the test with his car. The bad news is that it turns out that his dealer sold him a Yaris with ABS, but he didn't actually get ABS.

So, I still need to find an 07 or 08 that has ABS to grab some data from.

[Kioshi]

Hmm...that is a bit disappointing news from enviri's side, yours, and mines.

Does he have an S cluster on his 08, or a stock one? If he has an S cluster, maybe you could pull some readings from that and apply that somehow to the RS cluster....no?

I would be saddened if dealer tells me i purchased an 08 w/ ABS but in fact it didn't have one... :(

[CTScott]

Hmm...that is a bit disappointing news from enviri's side, yours, and mines.

Does he have an S cluster on his 08, or a stock one? If he has an S cluster, maybe you could pull some readings from that and apply that somehow to the RS cluster....no?

I would be saddened if dealer tells me i purchased an 08 w/ ABS but in fact it didn't have one... :(

His is a bare bones 08, so no S cluster.

He was saying that he thought that he paid extra for ABS.

[Kioshi]

Ok, so i think finding an 07 or an 08 ABS equipped Yaris might be a tough challenge...maybe impossible unless someone can do the drive to you~

How much would you say the kilometers increase to real time miles travelled? I honestly, dont mind servicing my vehicle sooner than expected, if it happens to be the case....

Or the other option, i wait it out till you play around with the calculations even more to get the odo to increment better?

[ezhacker1]

something else to consider is that Computer's (taylor) is an automatic S model.

[advocate]

something else to consider is that Computer's (taylor) is an automatic S model.

True, and also, that the +/- 2MPH is actually because my wheels are oversized so the speedo reads slower than the car is actually moving.

From what I could tell everything worked fine in the cluster swap EXCEPT the brake light was always on, as well as the TPMS and the ABS lights.

high beams worked, low beams worked, ODO incremented from 171.8 to 172 or something like that (trip meter).

Should we try and import '09 JDM clusters?

[CTScott]

Ok, so i think finding an 07 or an 08 ABS equipped Yaris might be a tough challenge...maybe impossible unless someone can do the drive to you~

How much would you say the kilometers increase to real time miles travelled? I honestly, dont mind servicing my vehicle sooner than expected, if it happens to be the case....

Or the other option, i wait it out till you play around with the calculations even more to get the odo to increment better?

I'm searching the local dealers to see who might have a used one that I can "test drive". If I find one, I'll just have to go to the dealership in my Xterra with a man purse with my netbook and CAN sniffer.

[CTScott]

I just located an 08 Sedan with ABS about 20 minutes from me. Hopefully I can swing by before they sell it.

[Kioshi]

ezhacker1 - thanks for the information on that for this thread.

advocate - thanks for taking note on what indicators were left on the display, it will help us out in the future in case someone DOES want to disable these...

CTScott - How long would it take to sniff the CAN bus? I know test drives don't usually last long here:laugh:
Awesome, fingers crossed that a sedan w/ ABS is no different than a Liftback ABS....:eek:

[CTScott]

ezhacker1 - thanks for the information on that for this thread.

advocate - thanks for taking note on what indicators were left on the display, it will help us out in the future in case someone DOES want to disable these...

CTScott - How long would it take to sniff the CAN bus? I know test drives don't usually last long here:laugh:
Awesome, fingers crossed that a sedan w/ ABS is no different than a Liftback ABS....:eek:

Literally about 30 seconds with the car moving is all that I need. I'm shooting for hitting the dealership on Monday, as I'm off all of next week. I'll have my wife come with me so that the sales dude doesn't tag along.

The VIN number for the sedan checks out as having ABS, so provided the car doesn't sell before then, I will be in good shape.

[CTScott]

So, I test drove the 08 Yaris Sedan with ABS today. Unfortunately, the dealership that had it requires a salesperson to come along on all test drives. After we returned, my wife even asked if just she and I could take it out again to discuss the purchase. The salesman explained that riding along is an official policy, so we could not.

We were so close - My wife had my gear stashed in her pocketbook, so if we could have had the car alone for 2 minutes I could have gotten the data.

[yarisugi]

Salesperson probably thought you and your wife were gonna steal it or do some hanky panky. lol.

[CTScott]

Salesperson probably thought you and your wife were gonna steal it or do some hanky panky. lol.

That's exactly what I said to my wife. She thinks we should go back for another test drive with the two kids, so the sales dude won't fit.

[Kioshi]

Aw damn.....that sucks:frown:

Maybe another dealership...or when that salesperson isn't working perhaps....I know some other salesperson won't mind it...

If you find a Liftback, i doubt the salesperson would want to cram back in the back seats....

[advocate]

Great attempt nonetheless Scott.

[ezhacker1]

Great attempt nonetheless Scott.

seriously, i dont know anyone who would risk doing something like that AND bring the wife along as an accomplice lol. Least she cant say, "honey, you never do anything with me" and next time bringing the kids? Thats commitment to our community :)

[Kioshi]

CTScott, is the maintenance light connected to the odometer or some sort of sensor where it detects engine level of engine oil and fluids?

Seeing that the stock cluster adds the miles from what was achieved w/ the RS cluster...i figure i could slap the RS cluster in and after 3 weeks of driving w/ RS cluster on, i could swap the 07 cluster in and see if my maintenance light goes on or not~ I could overcome the odometer not functioning w/ this possibly....

Just an idea....

[CTScott]

CTScott, is the maintenance light connected to the odometer or some sort of sensor where it detects engine level of engine oil and fluids?

Seeing that the stock cluster adds the miles from what was achieved w/ the RS cluster...i figure i could slap the RS cluster in and after 3 weeks of driving w/ RS cluster on, i could swap the 07 cluster in and see if my maintenance light goes on or not~ I could overcome the odometer not functioning w/ this possibly....

Just an idea....

The maintenance light is triggered by the odometer reading. When swapping clusters I don't believe that the maintenance data would come over to another cluster, as that data is only used within the cluster and is not passed to the ECM.

[Kioshi]

Oh i see. Hmm...thought I'd ask. *sigh*

[Kioshi]

CTScott, you should try that when you have free time. I think kustom play taking the assertiveness route might work with that dealership...

That is..if the dealership has an 08 w/ABS....

[A1phazu1u]

I purchased this speedo from a canadian merchant and i've scanned the gauge to custom mph which i currently have made but can't upload the image of for some reason. This speedo already has the mph conversion on it so there's no need to do the math. I made a custom mph version that i think is pretty precise. all i need to do know is find a place where i can get it screen printed on some opaque plastic so that i can use my cluster. i tried using transperencies from kinkos but those are too transparent. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/A1phaZu1u/Scan.jpg

[Kioshi]

I purchased this speedo from a canadian merchant and i've scanned the gauge to custom mph which i currently have made but can't upload the image of for some reason. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/A1phaZu1u/Scan.jpg

I want to see how this looks and turns out on the actually interior of the car (video).Though I particularly am after the strictly kilometers 180km max cluster, I think if you could offer this service for people with canadian clusters like member: advocate and others...they'd really appreciate it.

Keep us posted on here.

[A1phazu1u]

So i got a custom photoshopped overlay. Now to find someone who can make it for me. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/A1phaZu1u/Final.jpg

[Kioshi]

Any progress on the RS cluster's ODO increment accuracy Scott?

Advocate and a few others running KMH clusters without doing a ODO adjustment have been going by 2000-3000 mile intervals/3-4 month period for oil change. I could live by the 3 month rule of changing the oil, as I do use Eneos Synthetic Motor Oil. And my commute has been shortened by 15 miles since switching Universities. Running the ODO at slow increments shouldn't be too much of a problem.

[CTScott]

Any progress on the RS cluster's ODO increment accuracy Scott?

Advocate and a few others running KMH clusters without doing a ODO adjustment have been going by 2000-3000 mile intervals/3-4 month period for oil change. I could live by the 3 month rule of changing the oil, as I do use Eneos Synthetic Motor Oil. And my commute has been shortened by 15 miles since switching Universities. Running the ODO at slow increments shouldn't be too much of a problem.

I still haven't been able to get at a 2007 or 2008 that has ABS to grab some data off of the CAN bus. I even carry my sniffer when I travel for business, as National rents Yaris in many locations.