Which rear sway bar?

[IsLNdbOi]

Which rear sway bar should I get?

I have the stock 15" steelies, stock shocks / struts, Tanabe NF210 springs, Tanabe front tower bar and Tanabe Medalion Touring exhust.


Not sure which sway bar to get:
19mm Ultra Racing Rear Sway Bar
http://shop.microimageonline.com/product.sc?productId=100&categoryId=4

23mm Ultra Racing Rear Sway Bar
http://shop.microimageonline.com/product.sc?productId=125&categoryId=4

TRD Rear Sway Bar
http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=638&Part_cat=11&parts_id=1374

[kac]

any of 'em would be an improvement. You just have to decide how serious you are about stiffening up that suspension. Personally I ordered the cheapest. The 19mm Ultra Racing bar. I can't add input and exactly how different they all are though. Good Luck

[yarisugi]

How are your driving habits? From the info you provided about your car, I'd say the Ultra 19mm - best bang for the buck.

[1NZYaris1]

i have the TRD sway bar ,but if i had the choice when i bought mine i would
have gonr for the Ultra 23.mm bar .
Thats my 2 cents worth :thumbup:

[IsLNdbOi]

This car is my daily driver, but I do tend to drive fast and sometimes make sharp and hard turns.

What size is the TRD bar? 19 or 23mm? What differences does the 4mm make?

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

TRD is 19mm and id go with the ultra racing 23mm just for the price.....

[schleppy]

I have a TRD rear sway and it was hands-down one of the best mods I've made to the car. For a daily driver I'd say the TRD or the 19mm Ultra would be fine. If you want to go all out get the big 23mm.

[cruz-gsr]

i got the trd used here on the forum and the only reason i got it, for the price the ur is just does the same. save the difference money for another mod

[fmicle]

I would imagine the 23 mm bar is heavier than the 19 mm one. And stiffer of course, but do you really need it? I've had the Ultra Racing 19 mm from Garm for about a month now and I'm very happy. I can take turns at much higher speeds now, without body roll and tires losing traction. And already I get comments that this looks like "wreckless driving" :biggrin: As far as I am concerned the sway bar is working perfectly for me.

Like others have said above 19 mm is the best bang for the buck.

[IsLNdbOi]

Thanks guys. 19mm Ultra then. I'm a cheapo though. Does Garm give discounts to YW members?

[fmicle]

Garm's stuff is already heavily discounted, trust me, you won't find a better price anywhere else on the Internet... Not on this planet anyways... :smile:

[IsLNdbOi]

Hehe. Yeah, the price is already pretty good. Just asking 'cause there's a coupon code field on his store during checkout.

[schleppy]

Garm's prices are good. He'll take care of you!

[CtrlAltDefeat]

I love my 19mm ultra racing sway bar, but I'd have bought the 23mm ultra racing one if it had been available when I bought mine... the larger one is stiffer and the effect is more pronounced from what I hear. The TRD one... well it's 19mm and from what I can tell you are paying extra just because it's TRD...

[cali yaris]

^ all true. And on that part, I'm sorry but I can't do better than the $134.95 shipped price for the 19mm sway bar. Also, yes there is a 3-4 pound difference between the 19mm and the 23mm bars.

I can do deals when people order more than one thing, as many of you have discovered.

Just trying to pay the rent and buy my race gas, LOL

[IsLNdbOi]

Thanks Garm. Still going through my available options. After all the posts here, I'm not sure now whether to go w/ the 19mm or the 23mm. I'd also need to have it installed somewhere that will install it right. I don't have the tools to do it myself.

[CtrlAltDefeat]

Thanks Garm. Still going through my available options. After all the posts here, I'm not sure now whether to go w/ the 19mm or the 23mm. I'd also need to have it installed somewhere that will install it right. I don't have the tools to do it myself.

it's very easy to install you might not even need to lift the car to do it... you pretty much only need a wrench. (I think lifting the car would be safer tho)

[IsLNdbOi]

Yeah, me installing it is not going to happen. :tongue:

I've never worked under the car and don't know where I'd even attach it. I could go to my Toyota dealer and have them install it, but then that would bring the total cost way over what it's worth.

[CtrlAltDefeat]

pity you are too far from me, I'd do it for $20 :biggrin:

[window_lee]

Garm's stuff is already heavily discounted, trust me, you won't find a better price anywhere else on the Internet... Not on this planet anyways... :smile:

+1

just try to plz more parts at once and then ask for discount ahahhah

[cali yaris]

If you can change a tire you can install this. OR you must have a friend that can help (two people makes it so much more fun).

If you want to call me on the phone, I will coach you, in person, through the whole thing.

[coffiend]

^ what other parts dealer would do that?

None that I know of....
:w00t:

[Altitude]

Yeah, me installing it is not going to happen. :tongue:

I've never worked under the car and don't know where I'd even attach it. I could go to my Toyota dealer and have them install it, but then that would bring the total cost way over what it's worth.

Everybody starts somewhere and this is a good place to start. It *really* is as easy as everyone says it is. Four bolts and you're done.

[detroiter]

Garm really will help you through it over the phone. I know firsthand because he helped me get the 23mm UR bar on when I thought there is no way it would fit. Thanks again for that help!

[IsLNdbOi]

If you can change a tire you can install this. OR you must have a friend that can help (two people makes it so much more fun).

If you want to call me on the phone, I will coach you, in person, through the whole thing.

I've never changed a tire before, but if you can coach me over the phone that might work.

[supmet]

I've never changed a tire before, but if you can coach me over the phone that might work.

I asked out of morbid curiosity at the dealer when I got mine, and they wanted 100 dollars for the install :eek:

Just find the DIYs on here, print them out, and call garm if you get stuck(which you really shouldn't)

[IsLNdbOi]

I don't have any tools or gear to raise the car and someone said it would be dangerous and difficult to do w/o raising the car.

[CtrlAltDefeat]

I don't have any tools or gear to raise the car and someone said it would be dangerous and difficult to do w/o raising the car.

you will have to remove the nuts that hold the shocks on both sides... one side you can just slip on over the bolt... the other side you have to pull the bolt out in order to get that side into position, personally I'd be afraid to move the bolt out of the shock with the weight of the car pressing on it. Not to mention how hard it would be to move the bolt... I put my car on jack stands then jacked up the crossbar a tiny bit to loosen the pressure on that bolt, but beyond that, it's 4 bolts you have to deal with...

[IsLNdbOi]

I was following just fine until you got to the words jack stand. Is that the thing under the driver seat? Won't "jacking" up the car on one small point like that put too much pressure and then warp that small point you jack the car up on?

[bearda]

If the car is a daily driver, I'd worry more about the suspension setup of a 23mm than I would the price. Assuming the material is similar and that both bars are solid there's a much better chance of inducing snap oversteer withn the stiffer rear bar.

[IsLNdbOi]

So you recommend the 19mm one?

[CtrlAltDefeat]

I was following just fine until you got to the words jack stand. Is that the thing under the driver seat? Won't "jacking" up the car on one small point like that put too much pressure and then warp that small point you jack the car up on?

No the jack stands are these things. You can buy the cheap ones (which is all our cars need) for about $20 at walmart or other retail store. It's more of a safety thing. You jack up the car on one side and place the jack stand on the hard point just in front of the rear wheel at the highest setting you can get it on. then you lower it down onto the jack stand. You repeat for the other side. once the but of the car is in the air it should be cake to install the sway bar. You'll just need to place the jack under the shock that has the bolt you have to remove and jack it up a hair to remove the pressure. Here (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17087) is my install with pictures...

[bearda]

So you recommend the 19mm one?

I recommend knowing what problem you're trying to fix and what side effects it has before starting to throw parts on your car. That's it.

[RedRide]

I got Garm's 23mm bar and I have absolulty no regrets.

My Yaris is a DD used in comunting to work in all kinds of weather and there is no downside to the 23mm.

[tomato]

I recommend knowing what problem you're trying to fix and what side effects it has before starting to throw parts on your car. That's it.

OP, did you read this thread?

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14084

It might help you answer the 19" v. 23" question.

If you don't have any tools, maybe you could go to a meet and see if some of the members are willing to help you out?

[fmicle]

Installing my 19 mm Ultra Racing sway bar was really easy. I didn't even try to jack up the car from under the shocks; you don't need to. Keep it simple. You only need to remove the nuts from the bolts in order to install the sway bar, so pressure on the bolt from the shock is no issue here...

[ozmdd]

I thinkt he 19 mm bar makes sense for you. I run a TRD, which is essentially the same as the 19 UR bar,a nd I like the balance. I feel like the 23mm bar would cause too much rotation for me, with my autocross setup, but everyone is different on that. If its just a street-driven DD, don't think you'll see any advantage in the 23mm.

[IsLNdbOi]

I've come to the same conclusion. The 19mm bar is just right for my needs. Just waiting for more cash to come in now and looking for a place that can install it at a reasonable price and that can torque the bolts properly.

[tomato]

I've come to the same conclusion. The 19mm bar is just right for my needs. Just waiting for more cash to come in now and looking for a place that can install it at a reasonable price and that can torque the bolts properly.

makes sense to me too.

[ozmdd]

Just waiting for more cash to come in now and looking for a place that can install it at a reasonable price and that can torque the bolts properly. .

Any private mechanic shop should do it for very little, but you'd be even better-off going onto scionlife.com or a honda forum and finsing someone who'll throw it on for $20. It really is that easy, and fast. Took me 20 minutes, and that's with a smoke break. :)

[justjesus]

.. I'm sorry but I can't do better than the $134.95 shipped price....

I can do deals when people order more than one thing, as many of you have discovered.

Just trying to pay the rent and buy my race gas, LOL

Garm, I think you should really consider a price increase. JUST a small one, for JUST Jesus. Yeah. That way you can pay for MY race gas too! !yayyyy
LOL
wait, I don't need race gas. Okay, keep them great prices. yayyyy :thumbup:

[fmicle]

Any private mechanic shop should do it for very little, but you'd be even better-off going onto scionlife.com or a honda forum and finsing someone who'll throw it on for $20. It really is that easy, and fast. Took me 20 minutes, and that's with a smoke break. :)

I'd do it for free, just for the fun of it :smile:

I'm trying to get a friend from work to buy some upgrades, so I can install them for him.

[MUSKOKA800]

Yeah, me installing it is not going to happen. :tongue:

I've never worked under the car and don't know where I'd even attach it. I could go to my Toyota dealer and have them install it, but then that would bring the total cost way over what it's worth.


It's four bolts! Follow the instructions and take a walk on the wild side.
Or bring some lubricant along to the $tealership because they're going to bend you over. :eyebulge:
The corner garage might be more $ane.

[cali yaris]

If its just a street-driven DD, don't think you'll see any advantage in the 23mm.

Agreed!

[RacerFreakXXX]

If its just a street-driven DD, don't think you'll see any advantage in the 23mm.

unless you live in a place where the roads are full of twists and turns, like me. Even then I think you'd have to do 3x the speed limit for it to really help... so you are definitely better off with a 19mm if price is a concern.

[why?]

i don't know, snap oversteer sounds like fun. I think I'd for for the 23mm just because of that comment. Nothing like the rear end sliding out on a fwd. Pretty cool thing in my book.

[tomasmgid]

This car is my daily driver,