Yaris Sedan gets better mileage than Yaris Hatchback

[captainm27]

.....well, at least according to this chart from consumerreports. Check it out:

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=585804

On another note, driving slower improves Fuel Economy....but you already knew that... Check out what the Yaris gets. It's the last on this chart.

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1090496

[JumpmanYaris]

hell yea

[supmet]

I'm guessing between all the cars listed in both tests they drove less than 5000 total miles.

Consumer Reports are bought out shills who don't understand anything about scientific method.

[BuildCode]

sedan could have a much better coefficient of drag

[toad]

i believe the sedan weighs a little less, but i can't imagine it making 'that' much a difference(33avg. vs 30avg.)!

[captainm27]

Maybe it's like BuildCode says, lower coefficient

[supmet]

coefficient of drag is 0.29 for both, I don't remember the exact numbers, but they are within half a percent weight wise

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/goodiesforyou/2007yaris_s.pdf

I promise you the answer is CR is retarded and probably 5-10 mile trips which will generally lead to wildly inaccurate conclusions when it comes to a car's fuel efficiency. On top of that they probably let one warm up longer(or cool down less in between other cars' tests).

Consumer Reports was a good unbiased source of information up until about 5 years ago..

[TwoBearWisconsin]

I lost all faith in CR back in the 80's when they gave the Dodge Colt a much better rating than the identical Plymouth Colt.

[captainm27]

Or maybe it's because the sedan RULEZ!! :biggrin:

[Yaris Hilton]

Yep, the sedan rules.

I can't imagine how they got such low city mileage with either the sedan or the liftback. Bad driving, for sure.

[fujiwaru]

sedans FTW!!!! i still love the LB Yaris as well even though i don't drive it. just saying it as a fellow yaris owner :)

[Kal-El]

Nice links but they do seem inaccurate.

23 mpg in the city for the sedan, but 44 on the highway? It does a lot better than that in the city. The highway number is achievable if you keep it under 60-65 mph.

[b_hickman11]

Nice links but they do seem inaccurate.

23 mpg in the city for the sedan, but 44 on the highway? It does a lot better than that in the city. The highway number is achievable if you keep it under 60-65 mph.


44 mpg is achievable at 70 mph.

[127.0.0.1]

44 mpg is achievable at 70 mph.


Not without hypermiling techniques.

[such as high pressure in the tires]

[127.0.0.1]

Nice links but they do seem inaccurate.

23 mpg in the city for the sedan, but 44 on the highway? It does a lot better than that in the city. The highway number is achievable if you keep it under 60-65 mph.

I call shenanagins.

driving normally and not caring about mpg my piglet
in a pretty hilly area gets 28mpg city on a bad day.

how they came up with 23..must have been smack downtown
Boston on halloween night or something to come up with such gross numbers

and 44 highway....shenanagins again

[b_hickman11]

Not without hypermiling techniques.

[such as high pressure in the tires]

I have got 44 mpg @ 70 mph, tires at 32 psi, 100+ degress outside, with the AC on 3 and 4, the whole trip. I don't call those hypermiling techniques....

[Lazerdot]

43MPG highway, without tryin hard....

[DevilGirl]

I have got 44 mpg @ 70 mph, tires at 32 psi, 100+ degress outside, with the AC on 3 and 4, the whole trip. I don't call those hypermiling techniques....

Hills or no hills? That's more the question.

Best I can get on a daily commute that involves up and down hills often, was 37.3mpg. And that's with an average speed of about 68-70, no AC. (Not that I noticed a difference when the AC was running.)

[127.0.0.1]

I have got 44 mpg @ 70 mph, tires at 32 psi, 100+ degress outside, with the AC on 3 and 4, the whole trip. I don't call those hypermiling techniques....

Ok

[YarisOwnersDad]

I just averaged 40.0 on a 1500 mile round trip with the A/C or Defroster on a good bit of the time while driving 70 MPH and crossing the mountains of WV on I-64 twice, once eastbound and once westbound.

I can see where a steady speed on perfectly flat ground might give me 44 MPH.

Tomster

[127.0.0.1]

I just averaged 40.0 on a 1500 mile round trip with the A/C or Defroster on a good bit of the time while driving 70 MPH and crossing the mountains of WV on I-64 twice, once eastbound and once westbound.

I can see where a steady speed on perfectly flat ground might give me 44 MPH.

Tomster

yeah. I agree on that. I lived in Austin for a while and also San Antonio, and the drive between those two towns would probably get me 44. from Austin to san Antone would be flat to downhill.

[Yaris Hilton]

Not without hypermiling techniques.

[such as high pressure in the tires]

I just made a trip from Bristol down to Gatlinburg and back. Mostly 70 MPH Interstate, and really congested slow traffic through the Pigeon Forge area, with a few miles up a twisty mountain road at 45 MPH to Gatlinburg. Averaged 44.2 MPG for the trip.

[minicorolla]

Getting 43 with winter gas on the highway some rural at 50, some on the freeway at 62 in a sedan. Was getting 46.

[b_hickman11]

Hills or no hills? That's more the question.

Best I can get on a daily commute that involves up and down hills often, was 37.3mpg. And that's with an average speed of about 68-70, no AC. (Not that I noticed a difference when the AC was running.)

Mainly flat. East Tx to Galveston(through Houston) and back. My daily commute which is about 38 miles one way is filled with massive hills. The best I can get is 37.6 with the AC running.

[DevilGirl]

Mainly flat. East Tx to Galveston(through Houston) and back. My daily commute which is about 38 miles one way is filled with massive hills. The best I can get is 37.6 with the AC running.

Ahh. At least now I know I'm not the only one who can't get that magical 40mpg. I was beginning to think I was doing something wrong...

[1stToyota]

43MPG highway, without tryin hard....

Figured @ pump after fillup, or an instant reading, looking at a meter, going down the highway? I drive 70 mph, and usually average better than 43 mpg at fillup time, running 32 psi, etc...

[YarisOwnersDad]

My TYPICAL tank of gas is expended driving to work and back, a trip of 24 miles each way. I drive in town at lunchtime on work days in order to get to a restaurant. There are usually a couple short trips from home, like to church or to the store.

For my work commute, I use two lane roads and have to come to three complete stops before reaching the town where I work. Then, depending on how I catch the lights, I may have to stop as many as five more times, and a couple of those lights hold forever. I don't shut off the engine at stoplights.

I drive between 55 and 60 MPH, and it seems like I ALWAYS need either the A/C or the defroster going.

I get about 38 MPG with this type of driving.

Tomster

[firemachine69]

From what I've discovered in my research, temperatures play a HUGE factor in Yarii fuel-economy. I don't doubt that some of you guys get 40mpg (US), but there likely is never a flake of snow that makes it to the ground, either. Not only that, but start-stops kill the gas mileage, as well as cold-starts.

[TLyttle]

We deliver mail with our 07 sedan, which is ALL stop & go, and get 30+mpgUS consistently. Long trips around here are pulling 45mpgUS, and we are in the mountains; we are surrounded by 5,000' passes.

I don't understand the chirping about fuel mileage, we still get better than anyone except the hybrids!

[b_hickman11]

Ahh. At least now I know I'm not the only one who can't get that magical 40mpg. I was beginning to think I was doing something wrong...


If you read my previous post you would have seen where I have got over the 40 mpg mark...

[derickveliz2]

43 mpg average, 100 miles commute, average speed 44 mph (according to GPS) back roads around 40 mph, high way around 70 mph ...
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Love my Sedan!

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[minicorolla]

derickveliz2 you have it figured out!

[Wattz]

My hatch has been right around 43mpg since I got it. 90 mile round trip daily. The only "hill" is the on-ramp to the interstate. I spend 80% of drive time around 60mph on the highway, the other 20% in stop and go morning and afternoon traffic.

[1stToyota]

My hatch has been right around 43mpg since I got it. 90 mile round trip daily. The only "hill" is the on-ramp to the interstate. I spend 80% of drive time around 60mph on the highway, the other 20% in stop and go morning and afternoon traffic.

Sounds a little like me, except my round trip is only about 45 miles, and my highway speed is 65mph, or a little better; filled up this morning, got 43.4mpg. I :wub: my Yaris.

[roxy1]

absolutely no info about how they arrived at any of those numbers: conditions, miles driven, routes, who was driving each car. based on history, CR has a poor record of using standardized methods when they are testing this many different products. there are tons of different variables when doing such tests and i'd bet my left arm that they werent identical for each and every car.

there is no reason there is going to be much, if any, disparity between the yaris sedan and hatch. both have the same coefficient of drag at .29 and the weight differences would be inconsequential.

they came up with a 2 mpg advantage of a corolla over a yaris hatchback. now, i love my corolla mileage wise, but i cannot, under the same routes and driving style i had with my yaris hatch, achieve better mileage than i did with the yaris (consistently 1-2 mpg lower).

if there was really a 6 mpg variance between the two, all the high mpg reporting would be coming from sedan drivers in a pretty high percentage. alas, we know this is not the case.

i couldnt have gotten as low as 38 mpg highway in my yaris hatch if i tried.

[Hershey]

C.R. takes the E.P.A. fuel economy of the YARIS and other vehicles which is divided it by 2 . Not from actual test drive . :thumbdown:

[yaristotle]

Yaris sedans are capable of going 400,000+ miles without repairs, while Yaris Hatchbacks are lucky to go 50,000 miles without repairs:biggrin:

[Yaris Hilton]

Oh yeah, there's no reason to seriously believe one gets better mileage than the other.

[b_hickman11]

Yaris sedans are capable of going 400,000+ miles without repairs, while Yaris Hatchbacks are lucky to go 50,000 miles without repairs:biggrin:


noob.....

[2+2]

This thread is blasphemy!

What? No rocket launcher emoticon thingy? :evil:

[chew246214]

Don't know whats better, But I only have put three tanks of gas in her so far.... A few lights to the highway but about 45 mph for about 10 miles, then 65 or better for the next 25 miles then back to a few lights and 35 or so average...... 1 st tank 39.9 (beating her a little to see what she can do)
then 43.9 then lastly 46.3 mpg... not the best, but not bad for a car that is brand spanky new, and I don't drive in a totally pleasant manner.. I like to merge quickly .. I know why no dirt on her yet to weigh her down....

[YotaYaris]

Best of 44mpg and worst of 39mpg(first tank) for me. Last 3 tanks have been 42mpg on the money, mixed driving, 60%highway 40%city.

It all depends on the driver, mods if any, altitude, different build days(even the same are cars are not =)

PEACE

[captainm27]

Wow, you guys get real good mileage. My highest was only 41, and I only got that twice.

[DevilGirl]

Wow, you guys get real good mileage. My highest was only 41, and I only got that twice.

My highest was 38.18. That was obtained while making the trip to the Bear Mtn run this past weekend (2 hour trip each way for me, almost all highway, consistent speed level, fewer hills than daily commute).

[firemachine69]

I'm actually going to guesstimate that one was tested in mid-afternoon, the other at dawn or dusk.

Let me explain:

I recently took a trip from Sudbury to Ottawa (roughly 320 miles for you US folks. :biggrin:) The first trip, I travelled with the engine hot (I had been rolling on the highway for about 50 miles already). I drove with the intent to be as efficient as possible (without getting killed or run over on hwy. 17), which means I was holding about 98kph (or 60mph) where-upon I reached the 417, on which I maintained the posted speed limit (100km/h, or roughly 62mph). I got to Ottawa, and proceeded to give the wheel to my female friend. Let's just say her driving is far from 'efficient', with lots of gas-and-go, as well as heavy speeding (I was tired, didn't really care). She did all the driving in Ottawa, we did lots of stop and go in downtown Ottawa the next day as well (on the same tank). Take into account that it was a very warm day travelling up.

I dropped her off at work the next day, and filled up right before leaving town (average: 40mpg :thumbsup:). I attempted maximum efficiency on my return trip (once again, sparing my life). The highway was particularly quiet, and I made my best efforts to maintain the speed limit (90kph, or 56mph), as well as avoid going into third gear (my hatch is an auto), climbing the hills. This was something that was impossible the day prior going up to Ottawa. My travels the next day consisted of smooth in-town Sudbury driving.

I only reached 38mpg on the way back home.

You're likely asking yourself how that's possible. It's actually pretty easy. On the way up, remember I noted it was warm? I noticed the temperature because I had just mounted my winter tires (since it snowed the week before in Sudbury), and it really was too warm to be driving on snow's, but I was too lazy to change them out before leaving. However, on the trip back, it was nightime most of the way, but more importantly, it was brutally cold.

My example, as well as many anecdotal others, have shown me that the Yaris platform is extremely sensitive to temperature variances, in terms of fuel efficiency.

[docB]

I got my 5 speed sedan as a cash for clunckers deal. < 4300 miles, 40+ miles to date for all the gas. I got all of 44mpg on a road trip at 100 kph. That is 62 miles per hour. Did some slow speed driving that weekend, too. This Yaris has been near triple digit speeds. It can be done.
doc

[mimelio]

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1090496


Toyota Yaris 55 mph 65 mph 75 mph
1.5-liter 4-cyl. 42.5 37.9 34.0

[77W]

Yaris HB is taller than Sedan. Higher Headwinds for HB must be the reason, if everything else is same.

[captainm27]

The reason the Sedan gets better gas mileage is because the sedan is 'teh best'

[YarisSedan]

Its obviouse the sedan is better than the LB in more ways than one =)

[Astroman]

Yaris HB is taller than Sedan. Higher Headwinds for HB must be the reason, if everything else is same.

Not true, they both have the same COD of .29

Probably its because the hb owners are more aggressive performance drivers. :biggrin:

[YarisSedan]

Not true, they both have the same COD of .29

Probably its because the hb owners are more aggressive performance drivers. :biggrin:

i supose thats a possibility too. People tend to buy a 4 door for family reasons verses a 2 door.

[docB]

When the family is not in the car, many things "go". I can drive as aggresively as any. Many more expensive cars get my tail lights.
doc

[127.0.0.1]

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1090496


Toyota Yaris 55 mph 65 mph 75 mph
1.5-liter 4-cyl. 42.5 37.9 34.0



just about exactly what I am getting

[chai]

I get 34 MPG city driving, with hills and stops. I have also had 39 MPG @ 90 MPH on a trip across Minnesota.

I bet if I had 90% highway driving and eased off on the acceleration a bit I would hit 44 MPG... in a flat part of Texas :)

[b_hickman11]

Probably so

[Hypermiler]

The sedan was likely tested with a 5-speed manual transmission, whereas the hatch (at least the 5-door hatch like I have) only was available with a 4-speed automatic in 2009.

Maybe that's the key diff? I often think, as I drive the car on the highway, "I wish this had one more gear...."

[Yaris Hilton]

Lots of folks fussed about the 5 door only being available with the auto in 2009. The 3 door could be had with the 5 speed manual, as could the sedan.

[Yaryaryaris]

I would have bought a 5-door if the manual was an option. I will NEVER drive an auto trans. Even one as good as the Yaris/Echo's have.

[Hypermiler]

I like the fun of a manual, but my wife doesn't drive a manual and has no interest in learning how to... And honestly, with 18,000 - 20,000 miles per year behind the wheel, well, maybe I like the idea of the slushbox doing the shifting for me... Especialy after being at work for 12 hours!