Turbo kit

[Maitre_Te_Te]

Hello

What do you think about a Greddy Turbo kit dor Scion XB on Yaris 1.5 1nz???

[cali yaris]

1. Don't know if the downpipe will fit, or the other piping also. Don't know how you're going to tune it.

Why not just get a manifold, small turbo, and make what you need?

More info in your PM.

[Maitre_Te_Te]

1. Don't know if the downpipe will fit, or the other piping also. Don't know how you're going to tune it.

Why not just get a manifold, small turbo, and make what you need?

More info in your PM.

ok, tanks, I wait your PM. Tanks very much

[Maitre_Te_Te]

ok, tanks, I wait your PM. Tanks very much

Hello, i'm sorry but it's normal that Have have no PM !?!?

[Indianspringsaz]

Just PM him and ask, he might have forgot.

[gmodder]

yea sometimes garm gets sidetracked he is a busy man...

[Giupo]

for installed the Scion Xb turbo kit (I'm seeling this : http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23812) in yaris 1nzfe You must modify the last downpipe part and the last part of manifold pipe these modifications are not difficult.

[cali yaris]

I PM-ed him immediately, what the heck. That's ok, what I said is:

Should be able to run 8 psi on a stock motor, but how do you plan to tune it? Need a good tuner with a dyno available or know what you are doing.

Further, since the downpipe and piping both have to be changed, why not just get a turbo manifold, a turbo and make the rest? Probably cheaper that way instead of buying a kit that doesn't fit.

GT25 turbo with internal wastegate
manifold
oil lines
water lines
piping
intercooler
BOV
air/fuel gauge
boost gauge and/or controller
management
tuning

[Giupo]

I have tried the gt25 and greddy turbo in stock 1nzfe engine and for me the greddy turbo for stock engine is the best because have a fast respons at 2000 rpm have a full boost, with gt25 you have full boost at 3000 rpm. Gt25 is the best for future upgrade ;)

(the first part of greddy downpipe is good for yaris 1nzfe you must be modify only the last part)

[thebarber]

pretty sure exhaust manifolds are differnt from the yaris and echo hatch

im assuming you're on clubecho-yarisquebec.com?

you can get to PM's by clicking the name of the person who posted....its not like other forums

[Nexus1155]

Giupo, where did you hookup coolant lines from and to? Oil shouldn't be a problem

[Maitre_Te_Te]

pretty sure exhaust manifolds are differnt from the yaris and echo hatch

im assuming you're on clubecho-yarisquebec.com?

you can get to PM's by clicking the name of the person who posted....its not like other forums

Yes, I'M on clubecho-yarisquebec! But on yaris world, at the top: (Private messages: unread 0, Total 0.) So, it's ok!

I have read that if the turbo you use have a good boost at low rpm, in high rpm, the turbo loss her performance. So, If I want a good boost in high rpm, I most use a turbo that the boost of turbo is at the 4000 rpm. Sorry for my english seriously :redface: ! For a good boost on high rmp, I must use a turbo that the boost are at 4000 rpm. For a good boost on low rpm but dificult at high rpm, I must use a turbo that the boost are at low RMP. Is't true?

It's not, how read this graph?
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/images/catalog/Turbochargers/gt25_images/466541-1&4comp_e.jpg

[Nexus1155]

your English isn't as bad as you think don't worry hahaha just a little mixed up.

There are some calculations you have to do compared to engine size in correlation of what turbo to choose for your application and where full boost comes on. I was never good at reading those maps anyways.

But obviously a GT25 will spool earlier than a GT28 and a GT28 will produce more power at the same boost levels depending because it flows more air. But the GT25 will probably boost the whole range of the RPM, on a yaris you will probably never go past its efficiency level for it to matter. and obviously a GT28 one will too, but just produce full boost later on

Hope this helps you out a bit.

[Giupo]

Giupo, where did you hookup coolant lines from and to? Oil shouldn't be a problem

on coolant hose with adapter for water gauge sensor :wink:

[Giupo]

gt25 for 1nzfe stock is a big turbo I council this turbocharger if you have a pistons, rods and others parts because in stock engine you can go with 7-8 psi of boost max and for this low boost the gt25 is wasted.

[Maitre_Te_Te]

your English isn't as bad as you think don't worry hahaha just a little mixed up.

There are some calculations you have to do compared to engine size in correlation of what turbo to choose for your application and where full boost comes on. I was never good at reading those maps anyways.

But obviously a GT25 will spool earlier than a GT28 and a GT28 will produce more power at the same boost levels depending because it flows more air. But the GT25 will probably boost the whole range of the RPM, on a yaris you will probably never go past its efficiency level for it to matter. and obviously a GT28 one will too, but just produce full boost later on

Hope this helps you out a bit.

ok good. Yes we help me. But Greddy do a little turbo and I have read for the 1nz, it is a very turbo to use. I don't know wich greddy turbo.

So, If I understand, I need:
Turbo
Turbo manifold
piping
intercooler
Air fuel
Intake Air presure
Turbo timer
Boost controler
ECM

But for the ECM, I must use a full engine control? (Greddy Ultimate) Can I use just a piggy back? If I use a Ultimate, The original ecm stay on the car or the ultimate replace totally the original ecm?

For the turbo manifolt, do you have a good choice? Go at turbinetech, he do a turbo manifolt for echo. But it is very different about all other. http://www.turbinetech.ca/produit_detail.php?id=32&SESSID=73510516f3ccd44604abf2c0b3d8a9d5&lang=AN

so, overall, it is easy to put a home made setup turbo on Yaris?

[Nexus1155]

if you are not building the engine, an ebay log cast manifold should be fine.

You can use a piggyback, you just need to know what you are doing to use it.

But yeah

Turbo
Lines
Piping
Intercooler
Manifold
Downpipe
Tuned Management

Thats the basic kit...

[cali yaris]

Nexus, why did you leave out the things from my list (post 8)? Doing this project without a BOV or gauges is nuts, IMO.

Giupo, sorry but I disagree.

My GT25 spooled and produced boost at 2200rpm. I ran it at 8psi on a stock motor (EXACTLY what the OP is asking about), and it was responsive and powerful (183 whp). The Greddy would never make that much power at 8psi.

Maitre, Greddy management products are ALL piggybacks; your ECU stays in the car. Examples of replacement management ("standalone") are MoTeC, AEM EMS, etc.

I'm going to say it now, with all due respect and just trying to help. I made the mistake of not thinking ahead about tuning,and it cost me months of time and plenty of money to get it right.

Based on your posts, you're going to need a great shop with a very experienced tuner and dyno to help you with this project. If you don't have that ready to go (and you should be asking THEM all these questions too, by the way, so you know if they can answer them), you're not ready.

[Maitre_Te_Te]

Based on your posts, you're going to need a great shop with a very experienced tuner and dyno to help you with this project. If you don't have that ready to go (and you should be asking THEM all these questions too, by the way, so you know if they can answer them), you're not ready.

I know cali. But if all what i want to do with my car, I go at tuner shop, I NEVER got the experience for to do my own setup later. I have 2 good peaple with for help me. One with a subaru wrx with STi convertion and other one that y work on her Nissan Silvia K's, sr20det rebuilt, with new setup turbo for maybe 400 whp.

I very not ready for to do this project. But it's not for tomorow this project. I start this with a the base. Read, read read and read yet. I can imagine the base of a setup turbo. But, I need to learn very some informations and this is for this reason that I talk to you about this project and this is not on clubecho-yarisquebec that I found all of the nessesary informations. I respect them also!

So, tanks for your help.

[cali yaris]

Maitre, sounds good, I'm glad you have a "team" that will help you with a successful boosted car!

camelll, I had trouble making the FIC work, both the problem you mention and idling. After that I drove the car on the ECU alone. I couldn't run it 'all out' that way (WOT to redline, racing, etc), it was lean over 5000rpm, so at 8psi it definitely needs some management. Ran pretty good with normal driving though. I THINK it might handle 5-6psi without management, but no one has tried that as far as I know.

[Giupo]

Cali yaris , I have tried the garrett gt2554r and i have full boost at 3000 rpm but I have used the E-manage blue piggyback ecu, What kind of ecu do you use?

[Nexus1155]

Sorry i was high on percs for my wisdom teeth when i wrote that, but you do need either a bov or recirculating valve and i would consider an AFR gauge, oil pressure, and boost gauge the 3 essential ones. But expect tuning to take up the majority of the time as garm said if you don't have previous experience with it.

[cali yaris]

@giupo -- I used the FIC and I also used no management at all. This did not affect when the turbo spooled up and produced boost. I think we must have different manifold and different piping routes to explain the difference.

[Giupo]

I don't know... I have a 2,5" of free exaust pipe
What do you thick about the AEM FIC vs Greddy E-Manage Ultimate? Who is the best piggyback?

[cali yaris]

Do you have a pic of your turbo manifold and your intercooler piping, the way it is routed?

As for piggybacks, I had bad luck with the FIC (which does not mean someone else can't get it right!), and no experience with Greddy on the Yaris.

I believe PeterPoop is going to try and tune with the Greddy, I'm curious to see how that turns out. Anyone else in the USA?

[Giupo]

ok, I'm sorry but I don't have pictures of gt2554 setup...

[Giupo]

Have you a oem compression ratio with gt2554?