Window Tint Ticket

[nickhjort]

F%^*@ NEW YORK STATE!!!! 105 bucks for window tint!! BULLSHIIT! I can't wait to get the F*!@ outta here!!!

[kac]

When I was a police officer it amused me how much people complained and bitched about getting in trouble when they were breaking the law... when most of the time it was very simple laws that are very easy to follow....

[AzNguy]

woah, that's almost as much as speeding ticket. tickets are alittle too high nowadays. probably next time, you should have your windows rolled down when you go out. :)

[advocate]

Whatever you do don't move to California. Our tint laws are just as bad and speeding tickets are $400.

[supmet]

Fight it. Its more expensive then paying it, but we need someone to set the precedent.

"Our initial findings confirm that there is a correlation between more time spent driving and a higher incidence of left-sided skin cancers, especially on sun-exposed areas in men,"

"Tinting or using UV filters on auto glass may help, along with wearing broad-spectrum sunscreen and protective clothing, Fosko notes in the news release."

http://www.webmd.com/melanoma-skin-cancer/news/20070202/skin-cancer-linked-to-frequent-cancer


So I really don't see why the state or county(its not a federal law) has the right to tell you, that you have to be subjected to getting cancer, just so a police officer can see when he pulls you over. They can do felony stops on everyone they pull over if its that big of a deal.

[BailOut]

When I was a police officer it amused me how much people complained and bitched about getting in trouble when they were breaking the law... when most of the time it was very simple laws that are very easy to follow....
Well said. It's not as if the law is a mystery, and it's not as if you can't find the law within 10 seconds on the Internet.

When one willingly and knowingly breaks the law, one has absolutely no right to complain when they get caught.

[WeeYari]

Tint tickets happen everywhere buddy. Getting out of NY ain't going to help you!

[supmet]

Tint tickets happen everywhere buddy.

except vegas, palm springs, and most desert communities...

[ddongbap]

Well said. It's not as if the law is a mystery, and it's not as if you can't find the law within 10 seconds on the Internet.

When one willingly and knowingly breaks the law, one has absolutely no right to complain when they get caught.

Oh I'm sure they have every right to complain. Cause its a free country or something. But it doesn't take away from the fact they look pretty dumb for doing so.

[Treyz]

You can have tints in NY, but only to a certain darkness. I had smoked in my last Yaris as I plan on doing with this one. No problems from the cops at all because they were smoked. Limo tint is a bit extreme and IMO doesn't look good at all. The cop has to be able to see you in the day time and especially with the cell phone/texting laws, that's why more people are getting pulled over for dark tint.

[DerFlosser]

When I was a police officer it amused me how much people complained and bitched about getting in trouble when they were breaking the law... when most of the time it was very simple laws that are very easy to follow....

The funny thing is that 9 out 10 cops where I live are either speeding, on their cell phone, texting or hitting on teenage girls. This is not me trying to be funny but boy have I seen and met a ton of cops who just thing that they are way above the law. And...it's not surprising to turn on the news to see cops around the state constantly fucking up. Cops are people just like everybody else and are held to the same societal standards and rules....all I ask is not to be hippocrit and boy...it sure seems like there are lot of them out there. I went to a wedding before I married my wife and there were about 7-10 cops there. Every one of them was cocked out of their mind, talking like they ruled the world and obnoxious as all get out AND...they were all driving home that night not the least bit worried about hurting an innocent person and or getting a DWI. I lost a LOT of respect for cops in general that night.

[ddongbap]

Whoa. You have an e30. I love e30s. I've had 3. I'm getting a e30 m3 in a year.

[jamal1984]

FFFCCCCCCUUUUUKKKKKKKKKKK NEW YORK STATE!!!! 105 bucks for window tint!! BULLSHIIT! I can't wait to get the FFFAAKKKK outta here!!!

i feel your pain man, but as other said get out of state won't help you as all.
The tint law is just another way to make moneys from citizen like us.
any tints that darker than 15% is acceptable for the tint law but if a cop give you a ticket for 18% or lighter than that he is a F*&^ing %$^hole. Keep the front driver and passenger light around 35% or so than you will be ok.

[nickhjort]

Well I would understand not complaining if I had LIMO BLACK or some shiit that made it very hard to see out, but I bought the car in Florida and it came with the LEGAL LIMIT there. I'm not just being a deuchbag bitching about cops and stuff. Obviously if I was I would have opened with "FUKCING COPS or PIGS or whatever. I am complaining about the PRICE. $105 for some tint that's at the legal limit in most states. That seems a little ridiculous to me. I was expecting maybe $40 or $50 tops, but when they charge me $50 in fines and then another $55 (court charge) for some guy to open an envelope, say "OK, $50 fine for tinting", and then mail it back to me...that's what's bullshiit!! And I can agree with that skin cancer stuff. Now that I took it off, my arms are burning whenever the sun hits 'em. That's why the limits are higher in sunnier states I guess, but unless you're an idiot you realize we have the same sun in every state. I dunno It's just annoying.

[rihdrkc]

When I bought my last car, it was used and had tint on the rear window and the rear door glass. I rode around with it and never had a problem. Also when I purchased it I had to take it to the police dept so they could check the vin. They never mentioned anything about it being illegal. So when it came time to be inspected, the inspection station refused to pass it for the tint and also the tinted plate covers. Best part was, as this is being explained to me, a state trooper drives in with the governor's vehicle. It was a Ford Explorer with full limo tint in the back, and lighter tint on front door glass. Talk about ironic. Cost me 150.00 to get tint removed so car would pass.


I feel your pain!

[UTVitz]

Got stopped July 4th weekend headed north through Idaho for no other reason than they thought my my windows were too dark and I had no front plate. Mind you the car actually is completely legal in Utah(where its licensed) and Idaho which is 50% on the front and the back can be whatever which in my case is 35% about the same as factory SUV's/Minivans. But, I had a combination of overcast skies rolling into dusk and yeah, they looked black to someone setting on the side of the road watching cars go by. Fortunately, he had his little tint checker box with him and he said it tested legal, but I really need to get a front plate which is also required in Utah-I know, but hate the look of it. I've had tinted windows before and never a problem-yes, it seems to be getting worse about tinting pull-overs/tickets.

[markitect]

The thing I find funny is if you get busted for not buckling up your children it only cost $55. At least here in Michigan. I'm glad the legal system is all about keeping people safe.

[Yaris Hilton]

In this case it's about helping keep police officers safe. It's a scary thing to walk up to someone in a stopped car. You don't know what he may pull.

[BailOut]

but I really need to get a front plate which is also required in Utah-I know, but hate the look of it.

That's the silliest thing I've read on these forums this week! :laugh:

A law is a law, which totally trumps your unquantifiable sense of aesthetics. What's even sillier is that you were initially issued 2 plates by your State's DMV!

[UTVitz]

It's a secondary offense in UT. so I guess that places it low on the totem pole for the importance of the law. Yep, still have the other plate, but I'm not put'n it on to display my pure disdain for the law more than aesthetics actually.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Well I would understand not complaining if I had LIMO BLACK or some shiit that made it very hard to see out, but I bought the car in Florida and it came with the LEGAL LIMIT there. I'm not just being a deuchbag bitching about cops and stuff. Obviously if I was I would have opened with "FUKCING COPS or PIGS or whatever. I am complaining about the PRICE. $105 for some tint that's at the legal limit in most states. That seems a little ridiculous to me. I was expecting maybe $40 or $50 tops, but when they charge me $50 in fines and then another $55 (court charge) for some guy to open an envelope, say "OK, $50 fine for tinting", and then mail it back to me...that's what's bullshiit!! And I can agree with that skin cancer stuff. Now that I took it off, my arms are burning whenever the sun hits 'em. That's why the limits are higher in sunnier states I guess, but unless you're an idiot you realize we have the same sun in every state. I dunno It's just annoying.

I feel your pain. I had to remove my tints as well. However, if you purchased a car in a different state and move to another, you must comply with their vehicle codes. Sucks big time, but that's how it goes. As for me, I just purchased two of those shades that are suction applied onto the window. Yeah, it looks tacky, but my arms are thanking me. hahahahaha.

[RedRide]

All states have tint laws so, you can't fault NYS.

As others have alluded to, people flaunt the law with illegle tints and lights then bitch when they get pulled over.

[MadMax]

Front plates are required in Texas as well; but you wouldn't know it from the number of people who aren't concerned about it until they get caught!

Funny thing was, I got stopped driving into France because I didn't have a license plate on the front of my car (it was registered in Florida therefore it wasn't required). All European countries have laws requiring license plates on the front. The border officials were quite concerned at first, then they were taken back by the fact that I had University of Florida license plates on the back of my car (it's my alma mater). They asked if I had been to their Disney World and if so, how it compared to theirs. I replied I hadn't had the opportunity to visit the French one yet, but it was on my list after the battlefields of the Somme.

Oddly enough, the window tint I had on my car in Belgium for three years was illegal; but I was able to get it through inspection every year thanks to the help of a local mechanic friend...but I did manage to rack up quite a few speed camera tickets! The bottom line is, you get caught, you pay the fine; simple enough!

Cheers! M2

[2+2]

What level of tint is legal in all 50 states? If I were about to tint my car I'd just do that. There's already enough to worry about when traveling.

As for getting a too much tint ticket in your own state? There's this thing they came out with called the internet. If what I hear is true it's very easy to look stuff like that up now. :smile:

Edit: In case it helps anyone I looked it up.

http://www.tintlaws.com/

[DerFlosser]

That's the silliest thing I've read on these forums this week! :laugh:

A law is a law, which totally trumps your unquantifiable sense of aesthetics. What's even sillier is that you were initially issued 2 plates by your State's DMV!

Law may trump the unquantifiable sense of aesthetics but there is no getting around the fact that a front plate ruins a car. Whether a supercar or an econocar. I have never had a front plate on any of my cars. I couldn't imagine buying a new Porsche/Audi/BMW and having 2 or 4 holes drilled in the bumper and the front plate slapped on. I'll take the ticket everytime....:thumbsup:

[Sodium Duck]

Just because, "a law is a law," doesn't mean you should obey it. What happened to this countries sense of independence? What happened to your ability to question, and think for yourself? I hate how weak and sheepish you people sound when you say things like, "You have to obey this law because ... it's the law!" It's people who blindly obey laws that create a runaway, crazy, out of control government.

This country was founded on dissent, and the thought that if the government was not meeting the needs of the people that it should be dismantled.

However, for the time being... the law is in place. If you were complaining about this before you got a ticket, and were actively taking steps to petition your local legislators to even attempt to get something changed, then I would understand.

P.S. Thomas Jefferson rules.

[ryota]

You can have tints in NY, but only to a certain darkness. I had smoked in my last Yaris as I plan on doing with this one. No problems from the cops at all because they were smoked. Limo tint is a bit extreme and IMO doesn't look good at all. The cop has to be able to see you in the day time and especially with the cell phone/texting laws, that's why more people are getting pulled over for dark tint.


i don't mean to call you out, but this is slightly wrong. in NY you can have window tint on you TRUCK , VAN, OR SUV but you can not have any window tint on you car at all UNLESS it is registered as a vehicle that transports people for a job (limo). the reason for this is because a car is considered a passenger vehicle and the police re required to be able to see all passengers inside the car at any time, but an suv, van, or a truck are considered work vehicles and aren't considered vehicles the carry around people therefor it isn't as important for the police to see inside the windows. yes it is stupid and really makes little sense all together, but that is the NYS law about window tint.

every window comes with a 75% tint to it already (except the windshield which is why you can see a slight difference) and i'm pretty sure they have UV protection to them too, so you skin cancer argument probably won't work too well. also, even though still illegal, if your back door windows and back window are tinted but your front door windows aren't you usually won't have any problem at all. 99% of the police will consider that perfectly fine. and you knew it was illegal before you put it on... if you did it yourself the package mentions it possibly being illegal and only for offroad use or something to that extent and if a shop did it they usually tell you up front that it is illegal so that when you do get the ticket they can't be held liable.

what worked for me when i got my window tint ticket (i did my research before being a dick to the courts) was i went to the court for that first date, talked to the DA they had there and worked out a deal. if i took the tint off and had a note signed by any local police dept. as being legally acceptable they would throw the ticket out... cost me $20 to take the tint off my front 2 windows and 30 mins to find the dumbest cop to say that was perfectly fine and write a note. took that to them with my dads car (so they didn't see the tint left on it) and ticket was gone... for much cheaper than what it would have been. since then i refuse to put tint on my car because i don't enjoy run ins with the cops for stupid reasons... it just wastes me time having to figure out how to be an ass for something that was my fault to begin with

[127.0.0.1]

Just because, "a law is a law," doesn't mean you should obey it.

keep with these ideals, and a wood shampoo is in your future

[MadMax]

What level of tint is legal in all 50 states? If I were about to tint my car I'd just do that. There's already enough to worry about when traveling.

As for getting a too much tint ticket in your own state? There's this thing they came out with called the internet. If what I hear is true it's very easy to look stuff like that up now. :smile:

Edit: In case it helps anyone I looked it up.

http://www.tintlaws.com/

You only have to be legal in the state in which your car is registered...

[supmet]

the reason for this is because a car is considered a passenger vehicle and the police are required to be able to see all passengers inside the car at any time

Well, I'm going to put forth a bill for a law that says blinds and window shades on houses are illegal, because its too dangerous for police to not be able to see you inside your house.... :rolleyes:

Actually, we should just all live in greenhouses, that way the police will know what were doing 24/7 and we can all live happily ever after.

every window comes with a 75% tint to it already (except the windshield which is why you can see a slight difference) and i'm pretty sure they have UV protection to them too, so you skin cancer argument probably won't work too well.

Uhhh... I've gotten sunburns from rolled up windows before dude. They might have slight UV protection, but its no where near enough, especially if you drive for long periods of time on a regular basis..

[RedRide]

Just because, "a law is a law," doesn't mean you should obey it. What happened to this countries sense of independence? What happened to your ability to question, and think for yourself? I hate how weak and sheepish you people sound when you say things like, "You have to obey this law because ... it's the law!" It's people who blindly obey laws that create a runaway, crazy, out of control government.

This country was founded on dissent, and the thought that if the government was not meeting the needs of the people that it should be dismantled.

However, for the time being... the law is in place. If you were complaining about this before you got a ticket, and were actively taking steps to petition your local legislators to even attempt to get something changed, then I would understand.

P.S. Thomas Jefferson rules.


Yeah well, some laws are absolutly nessary, some laws just make sense, and some laws are a bit confusing, etc.

However, Thomas Jefferson did not advocate totall disobedience of a law simlpy becase you do not like or understand it!
There are reasons for tint, LP, lights laws etc.

Jefferson has been misquoted out of contex a lot recently and it seves no other purpose other than attempting to justfy unlawful actions.

Also, those who often cry the loudest that liberties are being taken away and misquote Jefferson, say that states should make the laws and that is exactly what the states are doing. :smile:

[90tsi]

you should read exactly what your state stature says. In missouri were required to have 2 plates on our cars but it says something to the effect of being afixed to the front of the vehicle, not specifically mounted to the bumpers. so i have my wedged on my dash. it can b seen from the front of vehicle. our tint law is written funny as well.

[nickhjort]

Damn, I guess I hit a few nerves...all I was complaining about was the amount of the fine, and the ridiculous court fee that's actually more than the fine. I'm all about there being laws as long as there's reasons for them, but on a law that has reasons that are obviously bullshiit and when they figure so many people are gunna break it that they try to make an "example" by charging outrageous amounts in fines for it...that's what I'm disagreeing with.

[DandiDani]

our tint ticket was like $200

[Richie76]

I think it's ridiculous that different states have different rules and regulations, (don't worry it happens here in Australia too) Road rules and registration requirements should be uniform so that a car that is legal in one state is legal in all states...

[MadMax]

I think it's ridiculous that different states have different rules and regulations, (don't worry it happens here in Australia too) Road rules and registration requirements should be uniform so that a car that is legal in one state is legal in all states...

Since you're not an American, you probably don't understand the importance of state's rights in this country. It is guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment of our Bill of Rights, which restates the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states by the constitution of the United States are reserved to the states or the people. It is similar to an earlier provision of the Articles of Confederation: "Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled. It makes explicit the idea that the federal government is limited only to the powers granted in the Constitution, is generally recognized to be a truism in this country. It is complex, but serves as the foundation of our government and is intended to maintain a balance of power...

Consider the right to own firearms in this country. It is supported by the Second Amendment of our Constitution, but it is up to each individual state to determine the extent of that right. Some states such as Texas, Florida and Arizona are pretty adherent, other such as NY or California are very stringent. That allows people to decide where they want to live based on the government that best aligns itself to their beliefs. As an adamant collector, I could not live in states where such strict limitations are placed on gun ownership; but those who feel opposite of that can choose to live in such a place that supports those beliefs.

However, as mentioned earlier there is reciprocity amongst the states, more so for thing such as driving and somewhat for things like concealed carry. As such, as I stated with a vehicle you only have to comply with the laws of the state in which it is registered. However, when driving in another state you have to follow their transportation code for things such as speed limits and other laws.

[jamal1984]

Speeding ticket is the right law
Tint Law = bullshit - another way to suck citizens blood and hard working moneys.
If you want to kill somebody you will do it.
Normal Peoples don't go and waste their moneys to get their window tinted then go and kill somebody.

[Yaris Hilton]

"Normal Peoples" don't go around killing folks, period.

Watch the cop car camera videos on Tru TV for a while. You can't tell what people may do.

[jamal1984]

:laugh:
__________________________________________________ ______________
When you are a killer you not normal anymore :tongue:

[Yaris Hilton]

I tend to agree, though a lot of them seem pretty normal. Society frowns on that kind of behavior, at any rate.

[monchito18]

I love Puerto Rico :D, I get stopped by cops alot for window tints I just remove them and install them again :bellyroll:

[127.0.0.1]

Speeding ticket is the right law
Tint Law = bullshit - another way to suck citizens blood and hard working moneys.
If you want to kill somebody you will do it.
Normal Peoples don't go and waste their moneys to get their window tinted then go and kill somebody.

incorrect

if you want to save your 'hard working moneys' (as you put it)
don't put ridiculous tint on your car and don't break the law

[monchito18]

incorrect

if you want to save your 'hard working moneys' (as you put it)
don't put ridiculous tint on your car and don't break the law

:laughabove:
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s219/djucw/yaris/042709_181700.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s219/djucw/yaris/042709_181701-1.jpg

[BaknBlak]

I'm starting to think that the high fines are so that ppl won't retint. When I got my back 3 done, the shop was doing driver and passenger windows left and right. They said they remove and reapply all the time. Maybe if they layered the fine like cellphones and seatbelts, that fine'd be cut in half. That's what I'd tell the judge, might agree and reduce your fine.

[Zaphod]

incorrect

if you want to save your 'hard working moneys' (as you put it)
don't put ridiculous tint on your car and don't break the law

I know this doesn't apply to the OP as he bought his car that way, but you do see a lot of people around here put in ridiculous stereos, window tint, fart cans, etc, just to complete that whole gangsta look.

Well, duh. Paying hard working money to outfit your car and make yourself look like a dealer and then wondering why you get a ticket when the law is there to protect officers from people transporting illegal substances that don't like getting pulled over is just silly.

It's not just the gangsta wannabes either, a lot of people make very expensive mods to trucks that they never take off road for that monster truck look and then get pissed when they can't pass inspection.

LoL

[kac]

In the county in which I live window tint tickets that get faught in court often get dropped, especially if the person who got the ticket is willing to remove the tint.

[Treyz]

i don't mean to call you out, but this is slightly wrong. in NY you can have window tint on you TRUCK , VAN, OR SUV but you can not have any window tint on you car at all UNLESS it is registered as a vehicle that transports people for a job (limo). the reason for this is because a car is considered a passenger vehicle and the police re required to be able to see all passengers inside the car at any time, but an suv, van, or a truck are considered work vehicles and aren't considered vehicles the carry around people therefor it isn't as important for the police to see inside the windows. yes it is stupid and really makes little sense all together, but that is the NYS law about window tint.

every window comes with a 75% tint to it already (except the windshield which is why you can see a slight difference) and i'm pretty sure they have UV protection to them too, so you skin cancer argument probably won't work too well. also, even though still illegal, if your back door windows and back window are tinted but your front door windows aren't you usually won't have any problem at all. 99% of the police will consider that perfectly fine. and you knew it was illegal before you put it on... if you did it yourself the package mentions it possibly being illegal and only for offroad use or something to that extent and if a shop did it they usually tell you up front that it is illegal so that when you do get the ticket they can't be held liable.

what worked for me when i got my window tint ticket (i did my research before being a dick to the courts) was i went to the court for that first date, talked to the DA they had there and worked out a deal. if i took the tint off and had a note signed by any local police dept. as being legally acceptable they would throw the ticket out... cost me $20 to take the tint off my front 2 windows and 30 mins to find the dumbest cop to say that was perfectly fine and write a note. took that to them with my dads car (so they didn't see the tint left on it) and ticket was gone... for much cheaper than what it would have been. since then i refuse to put tint on my car because i don't enjoy run ins with the cops for stupid reasons... it just wastes me time having to figure out how to be an ass for something that was my fault to begin with
Every precinct gives a different story as every cop. I don't think the 24hr local precinct thing applies anymore. They pretty much look to see if they can see you really. I just add on another 75% onto the factory for tint. PLUS, if that were the case, then the dealerships should know and not offer it to customers so there's gotta be something up with that as well. I got my first Yaris tinted at the dealer (never again because they messed up twice) and gave me a weird look when I asked them for the lightest tint they had. What, because I'm in my 20's means I automatically want my windows dark lol?

[nickhjort]

At Zaphod's post...
When the guy pulled me over he took my license and registration, and then proceeded to walk around my car and look in the windows. After he gave me the ticket I asked if I had to take all the tint off and he said, which surprised me by the way since up here we have some stereo and sub laws too, "No you only have to remove the front windows. Normally you'd have to remove it all, but I noticed you have some nice SUBS (he said subs) back there. You shouldn't really have to worry about anyone wanting to steal them around here though." Fucked up man...My tint in the back was darker than the front and isn't that where most of my "illegal substances" or weapons would be sitting were I to have them? It's just weird. Oh yeah and I was going 80mph in a 65, but I think I crossed jurisdictions right as I sped up so he couldn't get me on that.

[RedRide]

At Zaphod's post...
When the guy pulled me over he took my license and registration, and then proceeded to walk around my car and look in the windows. After he gave me the ticket I asked if I had to take all the tint off and he said, which surprised me by the way since up here we have some stereo and sub laws too, "No you only have to remove the front windows. Normally you'd have to remove it all, but I noticed you have some nice SUBS (he said subs) back there. You shouldn't really have to worry about anyone wanting to steal them around here though." Fucked up man...My tint in the back was darker than the front and isn't that where most of my "illegal substances" or weapons would be sitting were I to have them? It's just weird. Oh yeah and I was going 80mph in a 65, but I think I crossed jurisdictions right as I sped up so he couldn't get me on that.
In NYS you are allowed darker tint in the rear as oppose to the "front."

[kac]

In NYS you are allowed darker tint in the rear as oppose to the "front."

similar in Illinois. You can go as dark as you want in the rear as long as there is none on the front side windows, but they just modified the law to allow some tint on all windows (except windshield) as long as it meets certain requirements.

[fmicle]

Oh yeah and I was going 80mph in a 65, but I think I crossed jurisdictions right as I sped up so he couldn't get me on that.

And you're still bitching for a $105 fine??? :laugh: I'd be happy and say "thank you" :laugh:

[fmicle]

Just because, "a law is a law," doesn't mean you should obey it.

:laugh: So, what should we do then? You are contesting the very definition of law. I guess we shouldn't obey Newton's first law either... :laugh:

Let me explain to you how democracy works: people vote other people to represent them in some kind of legislative body. Those people then make laws, because we put them there and paid them to do just that...

I fully agree that there are silly laws and there are good laws, but I guess they are not the same in everyone's view... What can I say, life is not always easy in a civilized society :smile:

[Zaphod]

At Zaphod's post...
When the guy pulled me over he took my license and registration, and then proceeded to walk around my car and look in the windows. After he gave me the ticket I asked if I had to take all the tint off and he said, which surprised me by the way since up here we have some stereo and sub laws too, "No you only have to remove the front windows. Normally you'd have to remove it all, but I noticed you have some nice SUBS (he said subs) back there. You shouldn't really have to worry about anyone wanting to steal them around here though." Fucked up man...My tint in the back was darker than the front and isn't that where most of my "illegal substances" or weapons would be sitting were I to have them? It's just weird. Oh yeah and I was going 80mph in a 65, but I think I crossed jurisdictions right as I sped up so he couldn't get me on that.

No sir, they don't care about what "illegal substances" or weapons you may be hiding in the back (or more likely the trunk in that case).

Heck depending on the amount of time left on officer's shift, they may rather not even want to know ;)

The concern is that they can't see the weapon that the driver is pulling on them as they approach. It's about safety, not privacy.

And when you think about it, it's for your safety as well. After all, why make a man carrying a loaded weapon edgy and nervous?

[supmet]

Let me explain to you how democracy works: people vote other people to represent them in some kind of legislative body. Those people then make laws, because we put them there and paid them to do just that...

That's what is called a representative democracy, which is pretty far from actual democracy.

It's about safety, not privacy.

It's not about safety, its about privacy and health. Like I said, if you don't feel safe coming up to my window, do a felony stop. Pulling me over on the side of the freeway is retarded anyway - speaking of TruTV, how many times watching cop shows have you seen someone get rear ended pulled over by a cop on the side of the freeway? It should be standard procedure to pull off the freeway at the next exit, get out, put your hands on the car, and wait for the cop.

I haven't even touched on being able to keep something in my car without some thief being able to see it and want to steal it.

[Zaphod]

How many times watching cop shows have you seen someone get rear ended pulled over by a cop on the side of the freeway? It should be standard procedure to pull off the freeway at the next exit, get out, put your hands on the car, and wait for the cop.
How many times has a policeman been hit on the freeway after pulling someone over? (I personally know one who was saved by the guard rail in an incident just like that, messed up his back to this day)

I don't think you'd see too many officers argue against people getting out of their car and putting their hands on the vehicle :)

Idiots are idiots, it's actually quite a challenge to encourage someone to pull over in a safer area, which is exactly what you're supposed to do in the first place.

[ddongbap]

I don't get it. Tint means you'll probably get a ticket. Just don't get tint. Then you don't have anything to qq about.

[RUFFSTUFF]

I love it when people quote documents written over 200 years ago as the reason why things are the way they are... As if our "Founding Fathers" had window tinting tickets and buying guns at Walmart in mind when they wrote all that stuff!

[supmet]

I don't get it. Tint means you'll probably get a ticket. Just don't get tint. Then you don't have anything to qq about.

You are absolutely correct. Our legal system is 100% perfect, and nobody should ever question it.

I love it when people quote documents written over 200 years ago as the reason why things are the way they are... As if our "Founding Fathers" had window tinting tickets and buying guns at Walmart in mind when they wrote all that stuff!

Uh.....

You DO realize, the supreme court uses the constitution, which was written over 200 years ago, as the basis for all its rulings on laws correct?

[RUFFSTUFF]

Uh.....

You DO realize, the supreme court uses the constitution, which was written over 200 years ago, as the basis for all its rulings on laws correct?

You DO realize I'm not talking about the Supreme Court but the average Joe on the street and even then the Justices of the Supreme Court are smart enough to not try to enforce blind compliance of archaic texts but the principles of the guidance within.

[supmet]

You DO realize I'm not talking about the Supreme Court but the average Joe on the street and even then the Justices of the Supreme Court are smart enough to not try to enforce blind compliance of archaic texts but the principles of the guidance within.

and who exactly is "enforcing blind compliance of archaic texts??"

[RUFFSTUFF]

That's my point... very few, if any, are. Pay attention.

[ryota]

Every precinct gives a different story as every cop. I don't think the 24hr local precinct thing applies anymore. They pretty much look to see if they can see you really. I just add on another 75% onto the factory for tint. PLUS, if that were the case, then the dealerships should know and not offer it to customers so there's gotta be something up with that as well. I got my first Yaris tinted at the dealer (never again because they messed up twice) and gave me a weird look when I asked them for the lightest tint they had. What, because I'm in my 20's means I automatically want my windows dark lol?

you're right every one will give you a different story, that's why i said to take the front tint off and find the dumbest cop to sign off on it, that's what i did, but the original rules come from the state not the precincts. and about the dealerships, they can offer you anything they want... it's up to you to make the decision of whether to buy it or not. it's in no way illegal to sell window tint... it's illegal to have it on your car. just like it's not illegal to sell someone a gun but it's definitely illegal to shoot someone (unless you're dick cheney)

when i got my windows tinted i had to sign a waiver stating that i knew it was illegal and that the shop that put it on is in no way at fault or liable for any tickets. when they do this, like most dealerships will, it put the legalities entirely upon you. and if they don't... they aren't the smartest place.

personally i feel the window tint thing is a way for the state to get money, but if we're (and i include myself in this) dumb enough to break their rules we should take one on the chin. i won't put tint on my car as long as i live in NY for the sheer fact that it is one less reason to have to deal with the cops

[RUFFSTUFF]

Pitch black is the only way to go. 5% FTW.

[fmicle]

Pitch black is the only way to go. 5% FTW.

:bellyroll:

[RUFFSTUFF]

:bellyroll:

What? Too light?

[fmicle]

What? Too light?

Not at all, that's what I got :smile:

But only on the back, so I'm purrfectly legal :thumbsup:

I'll get 55% in the front in the spring probably.

[ddongbap]

You are absolutely correct. Our legal system is 100% perfect, and nobody should ever question it.



Uh.....

You DO realize, the supreme court uses the constitution, which was written over 200 years ago, as the basis for all its rulings on laws correct?

Ok, lets start twisting words.

If you're so against it, go protest. Or go move to Puerto Rico, where apparently you can have black windshields and not have an issue.

IDK why you're assuming that I think the US Gov is perfect. Do you always assume like that? I'm not sure whats worse. A guy who assumes, or a guy who would rather bend over and complain about bending over?

Still, with the qq.

[jamal1984]

it's like a war in here after a few post that blame on the government for the window tinting law :laugh:.
I do have a window tinting shop at GA. And a reason of 95% Customer that wanted a dark tint on their car is about PRIVACY. Not a GANGSTA looking or trying to kill peoples or "drug trafficking :bellyroll:" and about 90% got baby seat(s) on their back seat. Or what kind of tints will look good, or match the color, block more heat, feel cooler, stop the sun, save the dash.....A lot of peoples out there who worry and take a very good care of their cars inside out, that is why they need window tinting.
I do understand that the cop worry about their SAFETY = TRUE. That is why i always explained to my customers very carefully about the law.
Ok there is alot of young kids who wanted to look cools.....so they can put whatever tints they like on their car as long they are responsible for it.
To me they should low down the tint law to at least 20% it's look almost like 32% which is the legal tint law here in GA.
Alot of peoples got a tint ticket for like 20-28% which is ridiculous for those who wrote that tickets.
If you can see the driver let's them go, some cops just have to pull out their tint meter and trying to make moneys out of it.

my 2 cents.

[DevilGirl]

It should be standard procedure to pull off the freeway at the next exit, get out, put your hands on the car, and wait for the cop.

That would work in areas where there are exits close enough together to make this worth while. However, in other areas of the country where you can easily go like 20-30 miles between exits, not such a good idea.

[ddongbap]

it's like a war in here after a few post that blame on the government for the window tinting law :laugh:.
I do have a window tinting shop at GA. And a reason of 95% Customer that wanted a dark tint on their car is about PRIVACY. Not a GANGSTA looking or trying to kill peoples or "drug trafficking :bellyroll:" and about 90% got baby seat(s) on their back seat. Or what kind of tints will look good, or match the color, block more heat, feel cooler, stop the sun, save the dash.....A lot of peoples out there who worry and take a very good care of their cars inside out, that is why they need window tinting.
I do understand that the cop worry about their SAFETY = TRUE. That is why i always explained to my customers very carefully about the law.
Ok there is alot of young kids who wanted to look cools.....so they can put whatever tints they like on their car as long they are responsible for it.
To me they should low down the tint law to at least 20% it's look almost like 32% which is the legal tint law here in GA.
Alot of peoples got a tint ticket for like 20-28% which is ridiculous for those who wrote that tickets.
If you can see the driver let's them go, some cops just have to pull out their tint meter and trying to make moneys out of it.

my 2 cents.
Totally seeing your point.

But it sucks to be a cop, not knowing whats going on inside the car. Cops die. They need to not. So they need to be safe.

At the same time, Police can give you tickets for a FMIC, even tho they come stock with Evos. Its not the Cop's job to know whats what from the factory. Thats what a REF is for.

Maybe Police should just require people to turn on their dome lights.

[MUSKOKA800]

It's a shame that tint shops don't have the integity to apply only legal tint rather than take whatever money walks through the door.
That said it's the officers call here in Ontario (Canada). No specific specification is written into the law, it's just the officers discretion.

[RedRide]

it's like a war in here after a few post that blame on the government for the window tinting law :laugh:.
I do have a window tinting shop at GA. And a reason of 95% Customer that wanted a dark tint on their car is about PRIVACY. Not a GANGSTA looking or trying to kill peoples or "drug trafficking :bellyroll:" and about 90% got baby seat(s) on their back seat. Or what kind of tints will look good, or match the color, block more heat, feel cooler, stop the sun, save the dash.....A lot of peoples out there who worry and take a very good care of their cars inside out, that is why they need window tinting.
I do understand that the cop worry about their SAFETY = TRUE. That is why i always explained to my customers very carefully about the law.
Ok there is alot of young kids who wanted to look cools.....so they can put whatever tints they like on their car as long they are responsible for it.
To me they should low down the tint law to at least 20% it's look almost like 32% which is the legal tint law here in GA.
Alot of peoples got a tint ticket for like 20-28% which is ridiculous for those who wrote that tickets.
If you can see the driver let's them go, some cops just have to pull out their tint meter and trying to make moneys out of it.

my 2 cents.

Why do people feel they need so much "privacy" when driving on public roads? It's like wakling down the street and not wanting people to see you.

IMO, the majority of tint law are reasonable and allow for a dark enough tint, unless you are afraid of what someone might see inside your car for whatever reason.

Save the dark tints show cars but, keep the tints light enough when on public roads so I can see WTF you are doing in there!

[supmet]

Why do people feel they need so much "privacy" when driving on public roads? It's like wakling down the street and not wanting people to see you.

IMO, the majority of tint law are reasonable and allow for a dark enough tint, unless you are afraid of what someone might see inside your car for whatever reason.

Save the dark tints show cars but, keep the tints light enough when on public roads so I can see WTF you are doing in there!

I already said valuables in the car while your parked for one. And honestly, with psychotic episodes of road rage these days, I like just being able to ignore everyone on the road. There have been random freeway shootings on the freeways here in california, and I feel slightly better with darker tint, making a clear shot just a little harder. Also I've heard women feel safer in bad neighborhoods, because random people can't see that there's just one 100 lb girl in the car. Are we good on privacy yet?

I think the real question is... why do you want to see in my car so bad??

[jamal1984]

I already said valuables in the car while your parked for one. And honestly, with psychotic episodes of road rage these days, I like just being able to ignore everyone on the road. There have been random freeway shootings on the freeways here in california, and I feel slightly better with darker tint, making a clear shot just a little harder. Also I've heard women feel safer in bad neighborhoods, because random people can't see that there's just one 100 lb girl in the car. Are we good on privacy yet?

I think the real question is... why do you want to see in my car so bad??
+1
But if redride is a girl i don't mind at all :)

[RUFFSTUFF]

It's a shame that tint shops don't have the integity to apply only legal tint rather than take whatever money walks through the door.
That said it's the officers call here in Ontario (Canada). No specific specification is written into the law, it's just the officers discretion.

Businesses need money otherwise they will no longer be businesses. If a customer wants a dark tint and they are informed of the consequences (as I have been everytime even when I go to my neighbor's shop) then it's on them. Tint legality is hardly the cause to argue over though....

[RUFFSTUFF]

IMO, the majority of tint law are reasonable and allow for a dark enough tint, unless you are afraid of what someone might see inside your car for whatever reason.



I disagree.

[fmicle]

Businesses need money otherwise they will no longer be businesses. If a customer wants a dark tint and they are informed of the consequences (as I have been everytime even when I go to my neighbor's shop) then it's on them. Tint legality is hardly the cause to argue over though....

+1

What's next, rules and laws to protect us from ourselves? I can't sell you a knife because you may cut yourself with it...

[RUFFSTUFF]

Here if you get a tint ticket all you have to do is pay it. You don't have to remove the tint. Have gotten 2 in a bizillion years... the first the cop wrote the wrong violation code, so it went away, the second cost $80. Both times, the cop only made the stop for tint, nothing else.

[ddongbap]

Why do people feel they need so much "privacy" when driving on public roads? It's like wakling down the street and not wanting people to see you.

IMO, the majority of tint law are reasonable and allow for a dark enough tint, unless you are afraid of what someone might see inside your car for whatever reason.

Save the dark tints show cars but, keep the tints light enough when on public roads so I can see WTF you are doing in there!

Have you ever looked around while driving? I see people pick their noses all the time. I'd assume people see me when I do it.
Here if you get a tint ticket all you have to do is pay it. You don't have to remove the tint. Have gotten 2 in a bizillion years... the first the cop wrote the wrong violation code, so it went away, the second cost $80. Both times, the cop only made the stop for tint, nothing else.

You obviously haven't gotten a ticket in California.

You know what that reminds me of? The cellphone laws here in Cali. Its 20 bucks for first violation, then 50 bucks each violation on top of that. An accumulating total. So its 20, then 20+50, then 20+50+50. But heres the catch. The 20 dollar violation fee from the DMV, jumps to 130 after court fees.
+1

What's next, rules and laws to protect us from ourselves? I can't sell you a knife because you may cut yourself with it...

Damn the emissions laws. I want to cut my cat out from a muffler shop without THE MAN over my shoulder! Damn him!

[fmicle]

Deleted my original comment... by me :smile:

[Kioshi]

keep the tints light enough when on public roads so I can see WTF you are doing in there!

During holiday season, Christmas trees come in from semi trucks to The Home Depot. And our store being too cheap to have chaps to cover the employees jeans and jackets...i usually, when driving back home, take my pants off, because I dont want to get my seats all dirty and smelling like Christmas trees..

I'm sure you'd want to see past my 20% front window tints to see a brown dude driving in his boxers on the public road?:eek::rolleyes:

FYI, I have already dealt w/ 2 fix-it tickets in California for my tints.....F-the stupid tint law....it makes no sense for law abiding citizens and trying to be safe from maniacs shooting on freeways~~~

[ddongbap]

This matter has already been hotly debated here :smile:
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7202

You totally missed the large amounts of sarcasm in that.

[RedRide]

I already said valuables in the car while your parked for one. And honestly, with psychotic episodes of road rage these days, I like just being able to ignore everyone on the road. There have been random freeway shootings on the freeways here in california, and I feel slightly better with darker tint, making a clear shot just a little harder. Also I've heard women feel safer in bad neighborhoods, because random people can't see that there's just one 100 lb girl in the car. Are we good on privacy yet?

I think the real question is... why do you want to see in my car so bad??

I can't begin to tell you how many times I saw a very inattentive driver a on cell phone, putting on make up, eating etc in proximity to my vehicle.
I steer clear or these a-holes.
It's a matter of public record that they are a major cause of accidents.
When someone is on a public road their privacy is limted due to the very nature of it being public.

[supmet]

I can't begin to tell you how many times I saw a very inattentive driver rubbernecking at others on a cell phone, putting on make up, eating etc in proximity to my vehicle.

I guess my point is you should be watching the road, not inside my car...

I guarantee the person paying attention to driving rather than other drivers and trying to classify each one as safe or dangerous is the safer driver.

Quit lying anyway, you know your just mad because the tint on the escalade in front of you on the way home last night was just a little to dark, preventing you from watching finding nemo with their kids on the flip down screen.

[fmicle]

You totally missed the large amounts of sarcasm in that.

Ooops, I deleted my comment :wink:

[JumpmanYaris]

tint tickets, :bellyroll: just pay up and move on, dont want to pay, remove. it as simple as that. ME? I give a shit if I have to pay I will not remove any of my films front, sides or back

[jamal1984]

tint tickets, :bellyroll: just pay up and move on, dont want to pay, remove. it as simple as that. ME? I give a shit if I have to pay I will not remove any of my films front, sides or back

my man:w00t:

[ddongbap]

Why can't people just be like that?

Tint? Expect a ticket.

Got a ticket? Pay it.

Remove the tint, or keep it.

Keep it? Be prepared for another ticket.

Pissed? Write to your US government.

[RedRide]

I guess my point is you should be watching the road, not inside my car...

I guarantee the person paying attention to driving rather than other drivers and trying to classify each one as safe or dangerous is the safer driver.

Quit lying anyway, you know your just mad because the tint on the escalade in front of you on the way home last night was just a little to dark, preventing you from watching finding nemo with their kids on the flip down screen.

I would say to you that a good driver must pay attention to other cars and their drivers That is part of the "road" that you speak of. :wink:

[toyo]

in my country we can tint the hell out of a car

I guess that doesn't not benefit one when thieves tint their cars and come at you and you don't have a clue they have guns pointing at you. :thumbdown:

[supmet]

in my country we can tint the hell out of a car

I guess that doesn't not benefit one when thieves tint their cars and come at you and you don't have a clue they have guns pointing at you. :thumbdown:

because, you know, there's no way anyone in japan could steal stuff on a motorcycle or anything...

[ddongbap]

Says Japan I wish. I'm sure that means he wishes he was in Japan.

[JBougie]

Just because, "a law is a law," doesn't mean you should obey it. What happened to this countries sense of independence? What happened to your ability to question, and think for yourself? I hate how weak and sheepish you people sound when you say things like, "You have to obey this law because ... it's the law!" It's people who blindly obey laws that create a runaway, crazy, out of control government.

This country was founded on dissent, and the thought that if the government was not meeting the needs of the people that it should be dismantled.

However, for the time being... the law is in place. If you were complaining about this before you got a ticket, and were actively taking steps to petition your local legislators to even attempt to get something changed, then I would understand.

P.S. Thomas Jefferson rules.

+1 :thumbsup:

[JBougie]

+1

What's next, rules and laws to protect us from ourselves? I can't sell you a knife because you may cut yourself with it...

Seat belt laws ..........

[fmicle]

-1 :thumbdown: Yeah, that's why it's called "law" for everyone to obey it...

[JBougie]

It's a shame that tint shops don't have the integity to apply only legal tint rather than take whatever money walks through the door.
That said it's the officers call here in Ontario (Canada). No specific specification is written into the law, it's just the officers discretion.

That's concerning that an officer can just create the law as he goes.....

[fmicle]

Seat belt laws ..........

I don't wear a seat belt because the law says so, I wear it because I don't want to die like an idiot in a car crash. Seat belts save lives, I'd wear it even if the law didn't say so. I find it ridiculous that we need laws to make people wear seat belts. I'd say if some people want to take themselves out of the gene pool, go ahead, be my guest...

The perfect example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBjajREZTk

[JBougie]

-1 :thumbdown: Yeah, that's why it's called "law" for everyone to obey it...

There are a lot of stupid and pointless laws out there.

I am for tint laws, within reason. I don't think that 5% tint should ever be legal. 20% is the darkest I think should be legal on a regular vehicle. Why?

1. It IS harder to see at night (I have 20%, and I without a doubt can tell a difference)
2. Police DO have to worry about their safety ALL the time; not being able to see in a vehicle when pulling someone over IS a concern.
3. 20% is plenty dark enough to keep thugs from seeing in your car while driving, and as a girl who drives around alone a lot, I get added comfort in knowing they can't see me
4. The UV rays are blocked well before you throw 20% on your windows

I just don't think that limo tint is attractive, and there is no point of having windows if they are so f'n dark you can't see out or in them at all. It's ridiculous.

Just my .02

Oh, and tinting your windshield is retarded.

[JBougie]

I don't wear a seat belt because the law says so, I wear it because I don't want to die like an idiot in a car crash. Seat belts save lives, I'd wear it even if the law didn't say so. I find it ridiculous that we need laws to make people wear seat belts. I'd say if some people want to take themselves out of the gene pool, go ahead, be my guest...

The perfect example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBjajREZTk

+1

I wear mine, I am absolutely against being forced into having to wear it though.
I don't want to die in a horrible wreck and wearing it lowers those odds - but if I feel like not wearing it, as a grown ass adult, I don't feel that I should get a ticket for not doing so.

[fmicle]

There are a lot of stupid and pointless laws out there.

Absolutely no arguing with that :smile: But unfortunately it's not our call to choose which laws we like and obey and which we don't. One of the basic reasons our society works is because it's based on laws. Anarchy doesn't serve any good. Revolution, now that's a different story :wink:

[2+2]

I can't begin to tell you how many times I saw a very inattentive driver a on cell phone, putting on make up, eating etc in proximity to my vehicle.
I steer clear or these a-holes.
It's a matter of public record that they are a major cause of accidents.
When someone is on a public road their privacy is limted due to the very nature of it being public.

You gotta love it when someone cuts through the fog.

When you're in private - you have the right to privacy.
When you're in public you don't.
When you're driving on a public road, yeah you guessed it, you're in public.

The rest of us have a right to see what you're up to at the moment, whether you're paying attention etc and whether or not we have eye contact at a critical moment (THE cardinal rule for motorcyclists btw). It's helps the police too when they can see inside your vehicle at a stop (oh and the driver standing outside the car with his hands on the roof doesn't do shit for the cop, there might be someone else in the car with a gun).

When you're driving on a public road, you're in public so please keep your zipper closed and your finger out of your nose. Keep some napkins in a cubby hole or invest in a little box of kleenex for crying out loud. Oh and paleeze do us all a favor and do the makeup thing before you leave the house. And hang up the freakin phone and drive!!!!!!

[supmet]

You gotta love it when someone cuts through the fog.

When you're in private - you have the right to privacy.
When you're in public you don't.
When you're driving on a public road, yeah you guessed it, you're in public

Please show me where it says I don't have a right to privacy in public. Can I close the door in a public bathroom?? Can I cover the keypad when I'm entering my pin at the gas station?

None of your arguments make sense either, because I can black out all of my black windows, and you wouldn't be able to see anything going on in the back.


oh and the driver standing outside the car with his hands on the roof doesn't do shit for the cop, there might be someone else in the car with a gun).

hey, then everyone can get out of the car... again, not my problem

[2+2]

Please show me where it says I don't have a right to privacy in public. Can I close the door in a public bathroom?? Can I cover the keypad when I'm entering my pin at the gas station?
You're pointing out places where the societal norm is to give people a private space in public. But you're forgetting that my safety doesn't depend on my seeing you use the bathroom. I'm probably safer if I don't. :smile:

None of your arguments make sense either, because I can black out all of my black windows, and you wouldn't be able to see anything going on in the back.I wouldn't see what your up to very well from behind anyway and eye contact isn't likely.



hey, then everyone can get out of the car... again, not my problemSorry but I don't get this. When a police officer pulls a car over he should assume that everyone is obeying the law and gets out of the car because the law says they should? Sounds like a good way to get shot to me!

[ddongbap]

I don't wear a seat belt because the law says so, I wear it because I don't want to die like an idiot in a car crash. Seat belts save lives, I'd wear it even if the law didn't say so. I find it ridiculous that we need laws to make people wear seat belts. I'd say if some people want to take themselves out of the gene pool, go ahead, be my guest...

The perfect example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBjajREZTk

True that. I've flipped some cars. Seat belts help you from moving the wrong way through your windshield.

Absolutely no arguing with that :smile: But unfortunately it's not our call to choose which laws we like and obey and which we don't. One of the basic reasons our society works is because it's based on laws. Anarchy doesn't serve any good. Revolution, now that's a different story :wink:

Thank you. Now, for those of you who disagree with a useless law, then go fight it. I disagree with the tint laws. But I don't care enough to go out and change it. But I still have tint. So ticket, come at me.

You're pointing out places where the societal norm is to give people a private space in public. But you're forgetting that my safety doesn't depend on my seeing you use the bathroom. I'm probably safer if I don't. :smile:
I wouldn't see what your up to very well from behind anyway and eye contact isn't likely.



Sorry but I don't get this. When a police officer pulls a car over he should assume that everyone is obeying the law and gets out of the car because the law says they should? Sounds like a good way to get shot to me!

I like this guy, btw. Common sense should be this easy.

[JumpmanYaris]

beating a dead horse

No Tint= No ticket
TINT over the % limit= Ticket as SIMPLE AS THAT
DONT LIKE IT??? TAKE THEM OFF OR USE A LIGHTER %
DONT CARE???? GOOD MOVE ON, GET A TICKET?? PAY IT!!!!!!!! AND JUST KEEP ON
Whether YOU LIKE IT OR NOT the LAW IS THE LAW and these ppl will not change the TINT LAW its for the protection of POLICE and AND UR SELF
I CARE LESS ABOUT IT BUT like I said it has its consequences
So it doesnt matter anyones point of view at the end the law is gonna remain the same

[fmicle]

But I still have tint. So ticket, come at me.

:bellyroll:

[JBougie]

Absolutely no arguing with that :smile: But unfortunately it's not our call to choose which laws we like and obey and which we don't. One of the basic reasons our society works is because it's based on laws. Anarchy doesn't serve any good. Revolution, now that's a different story :wink:

I am all about a good revolution :laugh:

I am pretty hard-core against the government being in my life at more than they were originally set up to be, and I absolutely can't stand them dictating what I do in my private life or in my private property. HOWEVER, after discussing seat belt laws/tint laws with some of my like-minded (and a few years older, so a bit wiser when it comes to most things) friends a couple of weeks ago a very valid point was brought up: While our cars are our private property, we received the privilege to obtain a drivers license by agreeing to adhere to state and federal driving laws. So, therefore as much as I hate the fact that they tell me I can only have xx% tint, and if I don't wear my seat belt it's a $130 ticket - I have to be OK with it to a point, because I agreed that in exchange for the privilege to have a drivers license I would STFU and deal with the laws surrounding that little picture card I carry in my wallet.

I have gotten pulled over 3 times for my tint so far, and have not yet gotten a ticket ... I know my time is limited, but I am waiting for it and I will accept it when it happens. I have some good connections though, so I might be able to get away with it for a bit longer than the average Joe. :drinking:

[fmicle]

I have some good connections though, so I might be able to get away with it for a bit longer than the average Joe.

You hate the government to death, yet you have "some good connections" inside that very government. Hmm, some people... :rolleyes:

[RedRide]

Please show me where it says I don't have a right to privacy in public. Can I close the door in a public bathroom?? Can I cover the keypad when I'm entering my pin at the gas station?

None of your arguments make sense either, because I can black out all of my black windows, and you wouldn't be able to see anything going on in the back.



hey, then everyone can get out of the car... again, not my problem

Both of the examples you stated will not endanger anyone and by law, is considered private.

However driving with a cell phone in one hand and a "big mac" in the other will.:wink:

Besides, laws in all states that eveyrthing you do in public is no longer private.
This is why it is legal to put a camera in any public setting, even at an ATM.

[ddongbap]

beating a dead horse

No Tint= No ticket
TINT over the % limit= Ticket as SIMPLE AS THAT
DONT LIKE IT??? TAKE THEM OFF OR USE A LIGHTER %
DONT CARE???? GOOD MOVE ON, GET A TICKET?? PAY IT!!!!!!!! AND JUST KEEP ON
Whether YOU LIKE IT OR NOT the LAW IS THE LAW and these ppl will not change the TINT LAW its for the protection of POLICE and AND UR SELF
I CARE LESS ABOUT IT BUT like I said it has its consequences
So it doesnt matter anyones point of view at the end the law is gonna remain the same

*clap*

[JBougie]

You hate the government to death, yet you have "some good connections" inside that very government. Hmm, some people... :rolleyes:

I don't hate the government itself. The government is very much needed - I hate those who are blood-sucking, tax-hiking, self-interested, republic ruining leeches within our government (on all levels, federal, state and local).

I can't stand the individuals (politicians are 99% of the time worthless), I like the concept. Our government wasn't set up to be what it is now - if it followed the traditions of our founding fathers I wouldn't have a bad thing to say about it.

My chosen career is also in the criminal justice field - cops are the last people I hate.

[JBougie]

Both of the examples you stated will not endanger anyone and by law, is considered private.

However driving with a cell phone in one hand and a "big mac" in the other will.:wink:

Besides, laws in all states that eveyrthing you do in public is no longer private.
This is why it is legal to put a camera in any public setting, even at an ATM.

Have you ever seen anyone in rush hour traffic reading a NEWSPAPER while driving?? Those people scare the hell out of me!

[JumpmanYaris]

Just so you have an IDEA of how DARK its

[Yaris Hilton]

Last night I was gassing my wife's Yaris when a small Japanese car of some sort pulled up across the pumps. It had really dark windows, and I couldn't see inside at all. A very unattractive young woman got out. If any cop pulls her over for the no-see windows, they really ought to cut her some slack! She's doing us all a favor. That's what I'll think is going on whenever I see black windows from now on, the driver must be hideously fugly!

[JumpmanYaris]

Last night I was gassing my wife's Yaris when a small Japanese car of some sort pulled up across the pumps. It had really dark windows, and I couldn't see inside at all. A very unattractive young woman got out. If any cop pulls her over for the no-see windows, they really ought to cut her some slack! She's doing us all a favor. That's what I'll think is going on whenever I see black windows from now on, the driver must be hideously fugly!

rlmfao:bellyroll::bellyroll:

[JumpmanYaris]

in this case is the other way around sir got to keep all this sexiness to my self dont want any scratches on my car from chicks jumping towards the car trying to get to me :bellyroll:

[Yaris Hilton]

I'm sorry, but there are things you just can't "un-see." :eek:

[ryota]

Last night I was gassing my wife's Yaris when a small Japanese car of some sort pulled up across the pumps. It had really dark windows, and I couldn't see inside at all. A very unattractive young woman got out. If any cop pulls her over for the no-see windows, they really ought to cut her some slack! She's doing us all a favor. That's what I'll think is going on whenever I see black windows from now on, the driver must be hideously fugly!

couldn't have been said any better!

[ddongbap]

Last night I was gassing my wife's Yaris when a small Japanese car of some sort pulled up across the pumps. It had really dark windows, and I couldn't see inside at all. A very unattractive young woman got out. If any cop pulls her over for the no-see windows, they really ought to cut her some slack! She's doing us all a favor. That's what I'll think is going on whenever I see black windows from now on, the driver must be hideously fugly!

I IRL LOL'd for this one.

[JumpmanYaris]

I'm sorry, but there are things you just can't "un-see." :eek:

lol if u hit ur head really hard it may cause temporary loss of memory tho I dont recomend it hahaha

[wiirenet]

I disagree with the tint rules but I follow them. Here 35% all around is legal, but only recently and I waited until it was legal to get it. I think if someone is going to shoot a cop, they won't NOT try it because they don't have tinted windows, they can just have the gun hidden and whip it out.. it just sounds stupid that everyone is stopped from having dark windows because a mad man might use it to hide a gun.

Our homes aren't required to have cleared windows and someone could be pointing a gun behind blinds at whoever comes up to the door..

Of course, I do think once the driver's visibility is affected by the darkness, that should obviously be illegal as it affects safety of everyone on the road if you can't see something off to the side. But visibility of someone outside of your car looking in? None of their business..

I was getting creeped out at work when people would ask me where I live because they saw me on so and so road. Someone else joked about seeing me sing in my car.. maybe I did, idk, then when I got my new car again, people started mentioning it to me and I know I never see them in the parking lot so they must have seen me driving.

I'm sorry that's creepy and weird, I personally almost never see what another driver looks like. I've never in my two years working here seen a coworker driving. I don't understand how they saw me unless they're staring into people's cars intently looking at their faces, and I never do that. I feel like its an invasion of privacy, yes I know the roads are public but well, I don't have a reason other than its uncomfortable people can stare at you in your own private space on the road.

I really don't know how much my 35% tint blocks me now, I don't think its that dark.. but I hope it is.

[JumpmanYaris]

wiirenet I totaly agree with u but u sound just a lil to paraniod about ppl finding u on the streetz :laugh:

[kac]

wiirenet, there are differnet expectations of privacy in someone's home and someone vehicle. The constitution protects from unreasonable searches but homes are more protected there as well... Like you said if someone could have dark tinted windows on the front sides it could possibly cause them to miss something they needed to see at night and be hazardous, so it is for the safety of the driver and those around them that we can't have blacked out front side windows in Illinois. At lot of people don't agree with it, and there are plenty of people every year that get tickets for it.

[JumpmanYaris]

wiirenet, there are differnet expectations of privacy in someone's home and someone vehicle. The constitution protects from unreasonable searches but homes are more protected there as well... Like you said if someone could have dark tinted windows on the front sides it could possibly cause them to miss something they needed to see at night and be hazardous, so it is for the safety of the driver and those around them that we can't have blacked out front side windows in Illinois. At lot of people don't agree with it, and there are plenty of people every year that get tickets for it.

GET EM GET EM!!!:biggrin: I am going to roll with u when I go up there if I get pulled over for it ill be like naaa uhhh I got him >>> lol

[wiirenet]

wiirenet I totaly agree with u but u sound just a lil to paraniod about ppl finding u on the streetz :laugh:

It just creeps me out lol! 40-50 year old guys saying to a 22 year old girl "... I saw you in your car on ___ street today..." And I've gotten that multiple times by different people.. I just think its weird.

Its cool when its a friend but not coworkers.

Oh yea, I got it once from the Fed Ex delivery guy at my work that I see just 3 times a week... "Where do you live? I think I saw you driving this morning." I guess I'm just that weird looking that people instantly recognize me from afar

Anyway, yes I do agree it shouldnt be dark enough to affect the driver's vision. But it was dumb that no tinting (up front) was allowed in IL just up until recently.

[JumpmanYaris]

It just creeps me out lol! 40-50 year old guys saying to a 22 year old girl "... I saw you in your car on ___ street today..." And I've gotten that multiple times by different people.. I just think its weird.



and thats why because ur a female, guys dont tell guys that they be like oh there goes OJ ahh who gives a fuck lol but when its a girl they think on how good u was looking yesterday and when they see u they try make coneversation

YOU CAN PUT TINT ON UR FRONT WINDSHIELD?!?!?!?! WTF
I wish indiana was like that

[wiirenet]

Haha no, I'm not really good looking.. just odd I think, I dont like being looked at!

And oops no sorry! I meant front SIDES are allowed now.

[JumpmanYaris]

wow what a selfsteem:laugh:
I am sure u r

[yarisitis]

I got a ticket for my tinted front windows today in San Luis Obispo, CA. Have never had a problem in SoCal where I'm from, given that every other person has their windows tinted and cops have better things to do, but today I happen to be driving on highway 1 in a small beach town on the central coast and a CHP officer pulled me over and wrote me up a ticket.


So I have a couple of questions that I'm hoping some of you with prior experiences can answer:

1. How much is the fix-it ticket if I have the tint removed?

2. How much is the full fine if I choose not to get my tint removed?

3. Do I have to show up to court on the date indicated on the ticket regardless if I pay the fine in full or get the tint fixed?

4. If I don't get the tint removed and pay the full fine, will I continue to get tickets sent to me every month until I do fix it since they'll have me in their records as not getting the tint removed and paying the full fine?



Any input would help, thanks!

[matthewai]

most of the time its because of the front windows prob about 50 bucks to get them taken off (its possible to take them off yourself but can but a pain in the a hole) or pay the fine and risk more tickest but still have a cooler looking car .

i am in ny and i had 50% on my front windows and still got pulled over i took them off and now im trying to go even lighter like 65 - 70% but everywhere i go they say "oh we cant get them that light 50% is the lightest" but i know i dont want 50% again

[xhifer]

Off topic but for all of you who think cops have nothing to do, think again. Most of you won't survive a day in their shoes. Also, when poop hits the fan, who do you call? Who's going to drive code 3 to try to save your ass and to keep you safe. The reasons cops pull over people with tint is to get a probable cause on a bigger arrest. Maybe a person with a gun going to a robbery or etc. If you don't want to be pulled over, then don't tint your windows or leave the front plate off. Don't give Mr/Ms Popo a probable cause to pull yo asses over. You pay to play. Simple /rant. I'm going to tint my fronts 35%

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Off topic but for all of you who think cops have nothing to do, think again. Most of you won't survive a day in their shoes. Also, when poop hits the fan, who do you call? Who's going to drive code 3 to try to save your ass and to keep you safe. The reasons cops pull over people with tint is to get a probable cause on a bigger arrest. Maybe a person with a gun going to a robbery or etc. If you don't want to be pulled over, then don't tint your windows or leave the front plate off. Don't give Mr/Ms Popo a probable cause to pull yo asses over. You pay to play. Simple /rant. I'm going to tint my fronts 35%

Have fun with that. I had 35% in the front and got pulled over twice. Both times the officers acted like douches with power trips. Almost all cops I've met have power trips, which is why a lot of people do not respect cops in general.

Seriously, both spoke to me in a belittling manner. Really pissed me off, but I had to hold my tongue. One of them assumed that I exited because I saw him and had my windows partially down to hide my tint. uhhhh, wtf!? I exited because that was the exit to my school since I was on my way to a study group and I don't use my AC and roll my windows partially down to cool off. Neither of them actually tested my windows, and the one that saw my windows partially down didn't even really see them since they were all the way down when I pulled over. He even said, "you intentionally did all this, so you knew you were breaking the law, so I'm not even going to give you a warning ticket, just a straight ticket." What about cops doing 85-90 mph on the freeway without any emergency lights on or sirens? What about them using their lights just to pass a red light? What about all the laws they break, but think they are above?

I could have been a jerk and pulled out my parking permit to my school, pulled out my backpack with my studying material, and said I exited because it's my exit.



/rant

[Kaotic Lazagna]

most of the time its because of the front windows prob about 50 bucks to get them taken off (its possible to take them off yourself but can but a pain in the a hole) or pay the fine and risk more tickest but still have a cooler looking car .

i am in ny and i had 50% on my front windows and still got pulled over i took them off and now im trying to go even lighter like 65 - 70% but everywhere i go they say "oh we cant get them that light 50% is the lightest" but i know i dont want 50% again

I've done both you said. Paid the fine and kept it on, then the second time, I took off the front tint myself. Wasn't going to pay to get them removed. lol. I also took off the front tint off another car too.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I got a ticket for my tinted front windows today in San Luis Obispo, CA. Have never had a problem in SoCal where I'm from, given that every other person has their windows tinted and cops have better things to do, but today I happen to be driving on highway 1 in a small beach town on the central coast and a CHP officer pulled me over and wrote me up a ticket.


So I have a couple of questions that I'm hoping some of you with prior experiences can answer:

1. How much is the fix-it ticket if I have the tint removed?

2. How much is the full fine if I choose not to get my ticket removed?

3. Do I have to show up to court on the date indicated on the ticket regardless if I pay the fine in full or get the tint fixed?

4. If I don't get the tint removed and pay the full fine, will I continue to get tickets sent to me every month until I do fix it since they'll have me in their records as not getting the tint removed and paying the full fine?



Any input would help, thanks!

1. Fine is on the ticket (was $50 when I had my tint. I think it's $150 now in Cali)

2. I'm not sure that's an option

3. No, you only show up to court if you want to contest the ticket

4. If you can get the ticket signed off somehow and still have your tint, you will continue to get pulled over.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Also, from what I've seen, no domestic cars that have tints in the front (in Cali) ever get pulled over. It's always tuner cars...racial profiling much?

[CPALK719]

Off topic but for all of you who think cops have nothing to do, think again. Most of you won't survive a day in their shoes. Also, when poop hits the fan, who do you call? Who's going to drive code 3 to try to save your ass and to keep you safe. The reasons cops pull over people with tint is to get a probable cause on a bigger arrest. Maybe a person with a gun going to a robbery or etc. If you don't want to be pulled over, then don't tint your windows or leave the front plate off. Don't give Mr/Ms Popo a probable cause to pull yo asses over. You pay to play. Simple /rant. I'm going to tint my fronts 35%

your wrong numb nuts.... i work for my Sheriff's office in my county, any REAL cop wont waste time doing that, they respond to real calls.... if a cop gives you a tint ticket, straight up their just being an asshole.

[matthewai]

orrr.... limo tints all around windows down at all times boom no reason to get pulled over for tints ahahha jay kay

but when i did have front tints i at least tried to roll down my windows everytime i saw a cop

[yarisitis]

1. Fine is on the ticket (was $50 when I had my tint. I think it's $150 now in Cali)

2. I'm not sure that's an option

3. No, you only show up to court if you want to contest the ticket

4. If you can get the ticket signed off somehow and still have your tint, you will continue to get pulled over.

Really? The ticket I got doesn't say how much the fine is.

Does getting this ticket get reported to the DMV and negatively affect my driving record?


I'm thinking I might get the tint removed, go get it signed off by the CHP and pay the reduced fine. Then go get my windows re-tinted lighter.

[matthewai]

Really? The ticket I got doesn't say how much the fine is.

Does getting this ticket get reported to the DMV and negatively affect my driving record?


I'm thinking I might get the tint removed, go get it signed off by the CHP and pay the reduced fine. Then go get my windows re-tinted lighter.

tints do not affect driving record as its an equipment violation not a moving violation

and thats exactly what im trying to do get lighter tints like 65-70% but they are had to find for some reason every where i go they say 50% is the lightest

[Mead]

Also, from what I've seen, no domestic cars that have tints in the front (in Cali) ever get pulled over. It's always tuner cars...racial profiling much?

:laughabove: There's some truth to that, when I had my Mustang, cops were cool, they drove Crown Vics, we're (Ford) family :laugh:

Anyhow that's life in Cali, no front plates, tinted front windows = tickets. While they won't admit it... racial and social economic profiling is alive and well.

[xhifer]

your wrong numb nuts.... i work for my Sheriff's office in my county, any REAL cop wont waste time doing that, they respond to real calls.... if a cop gives you a tint ticket, straight up their just being an asshole.

The way you come off already tells you're not a "real cop." "Real calls" do not happen every second, so why can't a "fake cop" enforce the vehicle code? What exactly do you do for the Sheriff's Office?

[xhifer]

I do agree that there are some jerk off cops but if you did their job for years and years, you'd be the exact same. I wouldn't say it's a power trip. I mean, imagine being called names and maybe even getting hit by a suspect and all you can do is arrest him. Any normal person would want to smack em. Imagine you arrest a suspect who raped your mother and all you can do is arrest them with "reasonable force." imagine a cop doing their job and arrests a robbery suspect and then is released because of insufficient evidence because the DA doesn't have $ to prosecute and you see the criminal in the street laughing at your face. Imagine the person who break your yaris window to steal your deck and gets away because of "insufficient evidence." wouldn't all the pressure build up? So when a cop see some petty little violation, it's quite angering ( I'm nice though ). I suppose it's not an excuse but it's understandable. All I have to say is don't let the media make you think otherwise of cops. They are there to protect you when you're in shit or when your family is in shit. Sometimes it's better to be thankful. If you have problems with the law, go fist fight the law makers. Morning posts... IDK what I just typed :) /rant2

[matthewai]

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[xhifer]

I'm Asian and I drove a 2002 Camaro Z28 for a while and was pulled over due to 35% tint up front. Ohhhh it happens. It was an Asian cop too. Couldn't haven't seen my face.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Really? The ticket I got doesn't say how much the fine is.

Does getting this ticket get reported to the DMV and negatively affect my driving record?


I'm thinking I might get the tint removed, go get it signed off by the CHP and pay the reduced fine. Then go get my windows re-tinted lighter.

It doesn't say it anywhere? They might have changed it now.

Any tint unless it's 70% or lighter is illegal in Cali. 70% is basically a UV filter and doesn't really darken the windows.

[matthewai]

Any tint unless it's 70% or lighter is illegal in Cali. 70% is basically a UV filter and doesn't really darken the windows.

yeah true but i used to have a saab that had that all around and it didnt look half bad

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I do agree that there are some jerk off cops but if you did their job for years and years, you'd be the exact same. I wouldn't say it's a power trip. I mean, imagine being called names and maybe even getting hit by a suspect and all you can do is arrest him. Any normal person would want to smack em. Imagine you arrest a suspect who raped your mother and all you can do is arrest them with "reasonable force." imagine a cop doing their job and arrests a robbery suspect and then is released because of insufficient evidence because the DA doesn't have $ to prosecute and you see the criminal in the street laughing at your face. Imagine the person who break your yaris window to steal your deck and gets away because of "insufficient evidence." wouldn't all the pressure build up? So when a cop see some petty little violation, it's quite angering ( I'm nice though ). I suppose it's not an excuse but it's understandable. All I have to say is don't let the media make you think otherwise of cops. They are there to protect you when you're in shit or when your family is in shit. Sometimes it's better to be thankful. If you have problems with the law, go fist fight the law makers. Morning posts... IDK what I just typed :) /rant2

I know being a cop is hard work and there's a lot of pressure, but that still doesn't give them the right to go on power trips and basically choose who they want to pull over (speaking from experience). Like really though, I was driving 60 mph that one time and the officer chose to pull me over rather than the people who were going like 80+ mph. Who is more dangerous, me with tint and driving 60, or people weaving in and out doing 80+? Like seriously?

Also, I don't let the media influence me in anything (I haven't really seen cops on the media either, but then again, I don't really watch the news).

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I'm Asian and I drove a 2002 Camaro Z28 for a while and was pulled over due to 35% tint up front. Ohhhh it happens. It was an Asian cop too. Couldn't haven't seen my face.

That's rather unfortunate then, maybe the Asian cop was just profiling against domestics? :laugh:

I think out of all the people I've seen pulled over (on the freeway), only one or two have been domestic cars. I would say 90% were tuner cars and Asian brands in general, and the rest were European cars.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Oh, and I know several cops. One parks his cars in handicap parking all day long and "tells" people to not bother citing his car. Yup, power trip.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Oh, and just for the record, not trying to argue, just ranting on my experience. hahaha

[matthewai]

i spit on cop cars

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I can also give a good experience if you'd like ;)

[yarisitis]

It doesn't say it anywhere? They might have changed it now.

Any tint unless it's 70% or lighter is illegal in Cali. 70% is basically a UV filter and doesn't really darken the windows.

Nope, doesn't have the fine amount anywhere.


Yeah, I know basically any tint on the front windows is illegal in CA, but I'm hoping by going lighter cops will be less inclined to pull me over for it. I have 15% on my front windows which is pretty dark so I guess I was asking for it. Especially driving in this area.

[RedRide]

I just parked next to car In "NY state" that has tint (side and and rear) so dark, I could not see a thing insided even standing right next to it. Anyone who gets a tint ticket deserves it if they purposely install tints that they know is not legal.
WTF do they expect?

BTW, it's not only the police that need to see inside a car.
As a driver on the road, I also want to know WTF the driver next to me is doing.
Are they drinking? Are they on their phone, etc?
WTF are they trying to hide??

I'm sorry to be so harsh but, I take driving very seriously.

[why?]

Off topic but for all of you who think cops have nothing to do, think again. Most of you won't survive a day in their shoes. Also, when poop hits the fan, who do you call? Who's going to drive code 3 to try to save your ass and to keep you safe. The reasons cops pull over people with tint is to get a probable cause on a bigger arrest. Maybe a person with a gun going to a robbery or etc. If you don't want to be pulled over, then don't tint your windows or leave the front plate off. Don't give Mr/Ms Popo a probable cause to pull yo asses over. You pay to play. Simple /rant. I'm going to tint my fronts 35%

Pure and total BS. Most days a cop does nothing, unless they are in a large city.

Any body that needs a cop to keep them safe is pathetic. The cop isn't going to be their at 1am in the morning to stop that mugger. The cop isn't going to be their when someone tries to break into your house. If you can't protect yourself, your toast. Police were never meant to deal with every little thing, they were meant for the big things. Our society is just so screwed up that those in power want every else to be weaklings. Screw that.

tints do not affect driving record as its an equipment violation not a moving violation

and thats exactly what im trying to do get lighter tints like 65-70% but they are had to find for some reason every where i go they say 50% is the lightest

Thats bs. Maybe the shops in your area are just morons. I have my windows tinted and I've never had a problem. Just went to a good shop I trust and had them put on the legal limit.

If you really can't have front tint in CA you should really fix that. So stupid.

I do agree that there are some jerk off cops but if you did their job for years and years, you'd be the exact same. I wouldn't say it's a power trip. I mean, imagine being called names and maybe even getting hit by a suspect and all you can do is arrest him. Any normal person would want to smack em. Imagine you arrest a suspect who raped your mother and all you can do is arrest them with "reasonable force." imagine a cop doing their job and arrests a robbery suspect and then is released because of insufficient evidence because the DA doesn't have $ to prosecute and you see the criminal in the street laughing at your face. Imagine the person who break your yaris window to steal your deck and gets away because of "insufficient evidence." wouldn't all the pressure build up? So when a cop see some petty little violation, it's quite angering ( I'm nice though ). I suppose it's not an excuse but it's understandable. All I have to say is don't let the media make you think otherwise of cops. They are there to protect you when you're in shit or when your family is in shit. Sometimes it's better to be thankful. If you have problems with the law, go fist fight the law makers. Morning posts... IDK what I just typed :) /rant2


no i woudn't. I've met some jerk cops, some cops that were in a bad mood, and some good cops. Good cops never have power trips. They understand who they are and what they are suppose to do. Bad cops think they are above the law. They give all cops a terrible reputation.

Now our society is being screwed up because their are morons that hate everyone. Everyone, including police, need to fight people tooth and nails with everything they have when they want to make a big deal about something stupid. They're are people with no life trying to make a fight about the dumbest shit. If we don't fight them every single time as hard as possible, we're all going to be screwed.
Nope, doesn't have the fine amount anywhere.


Yeah, I know basically any tint on the front windows is illegal in CA, but I'm hoping by going lighter cops will be less inclined to pull me over for it. I have 15% on my front windows which is pretty dark so I guess I was asking for it. Especially driving in this area.

So stupid. I can never remember the name of the organization, but this is why we need groups to fight the government on idiotic rules like this. SUV's tint can be anything, yet cars can't?

[xhifer]

sigh... close minded people.. You say cops think they're above the law and you tinting your window doesn't make you think you're above the law? Don't contradict yourself. Your logic is flawed buddy(s). Cops are public servants, if you're nice, they have no reason to be assholes to anyone. Cops are human too. I am not going to comment anymore.

[CPALK719]

The way you come off already tells you're not a "real cop." "Real calls" do not happen every second, so why can't a "fake cop" enforce the vehicle code? What exactly do you do for the Sheriff's Office?

I never ONCE said i was a "COP" i said i work for the broward county sheriff's office. i work in one of the county jails. but as i said, i know and speak to numerous deputies, and city police on a regular basis. as well as i own dark tints on ALL of my vehicles. i have never been pulled over once for illegal tints in the 11 years of myself owning and driving vehicles.

I can see if your speeding and the cop is a dick and he just wants to give you a few extra tickets such as tint, seat belt, registration etc because yourself is acting rude ... but not just pull you over and waste time on a matter like that. yes there arent always emergency calls there is quite abit of down time in the law enforcement and corrections fields believe me i know lol but as the old saying goes " We dont get paid for what we do, we get paid for What could happen."

By the way since your speaking like your a "cop" yourself, what is it you do ?? Are you just one of the fanboys who dreams to be one, but doesn't have the gumption to actually go out and try?? Or maybe one of these guys who has a picture of yourself in swat gear on your facebook page trying to impersonate one??? either way i can tell you ARE NOT ONE.......

[xhifer]

I said I won't post but since you're being direct. I have already finished the police academy and am currently going through backgrounds with several agencies. I learned a lot being in the academy. I also learned a lot being a normal person and encountering cops. I have encountered some ASSHOLE cops in San Francisco. I suppose living in San Francisco is completely different from other cities. I guess we're all bias when it comes to opinions. YOU are right, I am not a LEO YET. :) And If I were, I'm sure I'd say the same thing.

FANBOY, I am.. If I wasn't, I wouldn't want to become one myself. I respect what they do on a day to day basis. I've had the gumption and went out and qualified myself and obviously tried. I had to work my ass off to make $ to self-sponsor myself (Was 20 y/o and getting hired then was 0 to none possibility). Thank you. I have never had any swat gear and do not have a facebook page and have never impersonated a cop. Either way, one day I will be a LEO.

Are you a CO for the SO? I don't want to make assumptions like you did me...

[CPALK719]

I said I won't post but since you're being direct. I have already finished the police academy and am currently going through backgrounds with several agencies. I learned a lot being in the academy. I also learned a lot being a normal person and encountering cops. I have encountered some ASSHOLE cops in San Francisco. I suppose living in San Francisco is completely different from other cities. I guess we're all bias when it comes to opinions. YOU are right, I am not a LEO YET. :) And If I were, I'm sure I'd say the same thing.

FANBOY, I am.. If I wasn't, I wouldn't want to become one myself. I respect what they do on a day to day basis. I've had the gumption and went out and qualified myself and obviously tried. I had to work my ass off to make $ to self-sponsor myself (Was 20 y/o and getting hired then was 0 to none possibility). Thank you. I have never had any swat gear and do not have a facebook page and have never impersonated a cop. Either way, one day I will be a LEO.

Are you a CO for the SO? I don't want to make assumptions like you did me...


I'm a dentention aide, and you ask what is that ? you know how cops and sheriffs have police aides and community service aides? well thats me but the jail version. i have 8 years in already, and if you ask why didnt i try to get certified after so long its because i have tried a few years back, didnt have any luck. plus when the ecomomy tanked, not only did they stop doing academies but they also demoted 250 deputies at my agency. they did however started to accept apps again for dentention and road deputies, so im actually starting the process again.

Ohh... so you put yourself in an academy?? you didnt get sponsored... hmmmm well best of luck to you bro :thumbsup:

by the way dont take anything personal remember this is just an online forum :laugh:

[xhifer]

I didn't take anything personally. Trust me, I have thick thick skin. Hope you feel the same. Tell me about it... I self-sponsored myself because the economy is/was crap and plus I was only 20 when I self-sponsored myself. I am 21 now and still looked down as inexperience. I have to go on the oral board and sell myself and explain why I am "experienced" and had "life-exp."

Good luck in your process as well. With 8 years in, I don't see why you won't make it through the process. I just hope you're in shape now after working in the jails for 8 years. Haha.

We are going way off topic. My apologies.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

if you're nice, they have no reason to be assholes to anyone. Cops are human too. I am not going to comment anymore.

Again, coming from personal experience, I was nice/polite both times I was pulled over for tint, and BOTH times the officers talked to me like I was shiznit. Why, I have no clue. They could have been on their rag or having a bad day, but that doesn't mean they should take it out on me.

And as stated before, there are good cops and bad cops, and it is those who think they are God that gives cops a bad rep. It is very similar to doctors.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

So stupid. I can never remember the name of the organization, but this is why we need groups to fight the government on idiotic rules like this. SUV's tint can be anything, yet cars can't?

I don't think trucks/SUV's can have front window tint in Cali. The back windows in cars can be any darkness you want in Cali, just can't have anything darker than 70% in the front two windows, and the front windshield can't be touched except the top 4 or so inches.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

And xhifer, hope will be one of the good cops that still obey the road laws. lol. We need more good cops out there.

[CPALK719]

I didn't take anything personally. Trust me, I have thick thick skin. Hope you feel the same. Tell me about it... I self-sponsored myself because the economy is/was crap and plus I was only 20 when I self-sponsored myself. I am 21 now and still looked down as inexperience. I have to go on the oral board and sell myself and explain why I am "experienced" and had "life-exp."

Good luck in your process as well. With 8 years in, I don't see why you won't make it through the process. I just hope you're in shape now after working in the jails for 8 years. Haha.

We are going way off topic. My apologies.

i appreciate it, by the way the doughnut eaters are the cops not the jailers :laugh: ... im 28 and im definetly in shape

[1.5]

I had a tint ticket a little over a year ago. I originally got 5% installed but the cop had one of those little readers and it read 2%. I got a ticket for the tint but went to court and had the judge toss it when I complained about this wild Florida sun.

This was some dude in an unmarked officer car who probably had a bad day and had nothing to do but give me a hard time.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I didn't realize Florida had tint laws. lol. The sun is not a legit reason tho unless you have a doctor's note. You're lucky that it was tossed out. hahaha

[Mead]

Cops are human too.

:w00t:

...and nobody's perfect but people on this thread argue like the world is black and white :laugh:

[CPALK719]

I had a tint ticket a little over a year ago. I originally got 5% installed but the cop had one of those little readers and it read 2%. I got a ticket for the tint but went to court and had the judge toss it when I complained about this wild Florida sun.

This was some dude in an unmarked officer car who probably had a bad day and had nothing to do but give me a hard time.

Thats what im saying, here in south florida to say the least, they wont pull you over just to give you a tint ticket, but if they pull you over for whatever other reason and you give them an attitude they definetly will give you one for tints.


:w00t:

...and nobody's perfect but people on this thread argue like the world is black and white :laugh:

technically speaking it is.....

[RABYARIS]

Many people think the Government is the biggest threat to their freedoms but it really is our fellow citizens who are the real threat to our freedoms. Think about it, a man cannot put tint on his personal property in the United States of America. Window tint for Christ sake...we are not talking about fully automated weapons. We are talking about window TINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The excuse is always the same, protect the police...blah, blah, blah...and remember folks that there are many laws on the City, State and Federal level that we are all criminals. Just wait for your turn.

Live free or die!!!!!!!!!!!

[RedRide]

Many people think the Government is the biggest threat to their freedoms but it really is our fellow citizens who are the real threat to our freedoms. Think about it, a man cannot put tint on his personal property in the United States of America. Window tint for Christ sake...we are not talking about fully automated weapons. We are talking about window TINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The excuse is always the same, protect the police...blah, blah, blah...and remember folks that there are many laws on the City, State and Federal level that we are all criminals. Just wait for your turn.

Live free or die!!!!!!!!!!!

You can put all the tint you want on your house windows as it is on private property.
However, when you are in a vehicle on public roads it is everone busines how dark the tint is!

You give up the right to privacy when in public. Even the most consevative supreme court justice agrees with this.
Would you want to pass a law that no one can look at you when in walking in public?

I'm a firm believer in keeping the goverment out of our lives but, when on a public road, it become my businees what you may or may not be doing in your car!

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I'm all for front window tint, but if it gets to the point where I can't see the driver, that's just too dark. I wanna know if some lunatic is pointing a gun at me while driving or at a light.

[xhifer]

I think a lot of people forget the fact that driving is a privilege. It is not a RIGHT. I'm sure when you sign up to get your DL you're signing that you'll abide by THEIR LAW and if you don't, you may get fined. Period.

[CPALK719]

As i said in my other post, i know Here at least in South florida, cops wont fuck with you about tints, unless they pull you over for other reasons as well. state of florida LEGAL tint limit is 20%. i have on my yaris which i just got 3 weeks ago 15% my evo 15% and my del sol 15% tint.

NEVER have i once been pulled over and ticketed for it. trust me here in florida you got scumbags driving with DOUBLE LIMO TINT and even their front windsheild tinted up. so as i said to say the least florida isn't to bad when it comes to that. not so sure how it is in some of these little hick states and im sure state of california is very strick considering they have those crazy laws about modding cars and and impounding and crushing cars. i can only imagine.

[RABYARIS]

Before the Government takes away our rights in terms of our private property they should have to prove their claims of safety issues with window tint. For example, what % of window tint drivers shoot other people through their tinted windows? I have never heard of a case. Or how about a study that shows how increasing your window tint reduces your visibility by "X" amount.

We are now to the point where citizens give up their rights without statistical or scientific proof of the necessity of the law. Our Constitution was set up to protect the rights of the individual citizen not the rights of an over reaching government.

"You can put all the tint you want on your house windows as it is on private property. However, when you are in a vehicle on public roads it is everone busines how dark the tint is!" - I can hear the new law now..."Your house faces a public road therefore the police have the right to see into your home in case you shoot at them through your window".

"I'm a firm believer in keeping the goverment out of our lives but, when on a public road, it become my businees what you may or may not be doing in your car!" Absolutely false..."may or may not" gives you no right what so ever to interfere with my rights to privacy. That is 1946 Joseph Stalin speak.

"I think a lot of people forget the fact that driving is a privilege. It is not a RIGHT. I'm sure when you sign up to get your DL you're signing that you'll abide by THEIR LAW and if you don't, you may get fined. Period." With this logic then voting can become a privilege, citizenship and then breathing.

The Government is not our parent. It is supposed to serve us not vice versa. It is supposed to be restrained from unnecessarily interfering with our lives.

I am sorry for the rant and I do not wish to offend or insult anyone but Thomas Jefferson once said, "Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God?"

[SAV912]

^ Wat.

I've drunkenly stumbled into The Situation Room. :drinking:

-C

[Mead]

In California, you can tint the front with Doctor's permission or be an A-List Celebrity.

[Mead]

Before the Government takes away our rights in terms of our private property they should have to prove their claims of safety issues with window tint. For example, what % of window tint drivers shoot other people through their tinted windows? I have never heard of a case. Or how about a study that shows how increasing your window tint reduces your visibility by "X" amount.

We are now to the point where citizens give up their rights without statistical or scientific proof of the necessity of the law. Our Constitution was set up to protect the rights of the individual citizen not the rights of an over reaching government.

"You can put all the tint you want on your house windows as it is on private property. However, when you are in a vehicle on public roads it is everone busines how dark the tint is!" - I can hear the new law now..."Your house faces a public road therefore the police have the right to see into your home in case you shoot at them through your window".

"I'm a firm believer in keeping the goverment out of our lives but, when on a public road, it become my businees what you may or may not be doing in your car!" Absolutely false..."may or may not" gives you no right what so ever to interfere with my rights to privacy. That is 1946 Joseph Stalin speak.

"I think a lot of people forget the fact that driving is a privilege. It is not a RIGHT. I'm sure when you sign up to get your DL you're signing that you'll abide by THEIR LAW and if you don't, you may get fined. Period." With this logic then voting can become a privilege, citizenship and then breathing.

The Government is not our parent. It is supposed to serve us not vice versa. It is supposed to be restrained from unnecessarily interfering with our lives.

I am sorry for the rant and I do not wish to offend or insult anyone but Thomas Jefferson once said, "Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God?" Hey we know you're pissed about the government, but there is some level of safety involved with driving and the rules to protect the public. The rules are dumbed down to meet the skill level of all drivers. Based on your world, we can tint the windshield and ban all speed limits right? you want ulitmate freedom? where do you draw the line and keep in mind you're sharing the road with 90 yo grannys, illegals, deaf people, drunks, the list goes on and on. The public is not all perfect like you and the world is not the same when Thomas Jefferson was alive :iono:

[why?]

^ Wat.

I've drunkenly stumbled into The Situation Room. :drinking:

-C

eww a georgia bulldogs fan...:tongue:

[bentjazz]

I live in Northern Kentucky, and my windows are tinted. Never been hassled, but I'd be a little anxious if I took a long road trip.....
As for police officers, and I don't mean to offend anyone, but I've known more than a few. There are good cops, but there are a hell of a lot of asshole cops out there who combine their egos with that gun and a badge mentality. Not a fan....

[RedRide]

It speaks volumes that the ones who cry the loudests about losing "rights" are the exact same ones who want to shove a probe up a woman's privates when no doctor says it is warrented or nessary.

The "we are loosing rights" crowd has lost all credibility long ago.
Even Ron Paul is a study in hypocrisy.

BTW, the loosing "rights" crowd also fails to realize that even the founding fathers recognized that certain things shoudd be illegal and some things should be limited by the federal government and...... the wild west that they long for had much more gun control laws than they are aware of.
Example......... it was a law in most every town that guns were not allowed in any salloon for obvious reasons. This is why small, "hidden" weapons were developed back then. Also many towns had laws that guns were not allowed in churches, etc. So, even then there was much gun control, paticularly considering that there were only a few types of guns available back then, unlike today.

Their view of the wild west where guns ruled is from historically inaccurate Hollywood movies, etc.
They worship a time that never was and never will be!

Everyone who signed the consitution did not agree with all the provisions and wording but, they all reluctantly signed it anyway. They all compromised for the good of the (new) country! If they could see us now......!

Anyway, this "losing rights" argument has no place in this discussion about tints except that we have a right to know what you are doing in your car on public roads.

About cops.......
Yes, there are good and bad cops just like in every other profession.
However, we all can agree that cops are absolutely nessary.
Now, how can we fault either a good or bad cop when they point out that you have knowingly, purposely violated a law whith the full knowledge that they do not make the laws and are only sworn to enforce them?

Would you pound your hand with a hammer and then, expect it not to hurt?
Let's grow up a bit here people.

[47_MasoN_47]

I want tint, but don't want the hassle from it. I could probably get doctor permission or whatever since I have a pretty rough case of Excema, but it's just not worth getting pulled over for.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I agree, crazy dark tints up front shouldn't be legal, but I think darker than 70% tint should be legal in Cali. I mean, the thought about banning selling black cars since it makes people use the AC more? Wtf, (good quality) tint helps keep the interior of a car cool.

I agree that cops are necessary, but little things like not that dark of a tint isn't that big of a deal. They let people who drive 75 mph slide, which I think poses more danger to people than not that dark of tints. Also, again, speaking from experience, I don't think cops should talk down on citizens like how BOTH of them did to me.

[Altitude]

Way back in 1984 I got a ticket for window tint. That was the first and last time. I still like tint on the windows, but I keep the fronts clean to avoid the hassle. Problem solved.

[SAV912]

eww a georgia bulldogs fan...:tongue:

Damn right. Sic 'em. :headbang:

You are? I can handle Florida, Auburn or even Georgia Tech. But we are gonna brawl if you bring up the Crimson Tide...:mad:

-C

[RedRide]

I agree, crazy dark tints up front shouldn't be legal, but I think darker than 70% tint should be legal in Cali. I mean, the thought about banning selling black cars since it makes people use the AC more? Wtf, (good quality) tint helps keep the interior of a car cool.

I agree that cops are necessary, but little things like not that dark of a tint isn't that big of a deal. They let people who drive 75 mph slide, which I think poses more danger to people than not that dark of tints. Also, again, speaking from experience, I don't think cops should talk down on citizens like how BOTH of them did to me.

Cops generally ignore speeders when they are going with the flow of traffic However, if you are the lone speeder, you will get pulled over.


The same goes for tints.
It you were to wear a mask in a public place you will draw the attention of the police every time. If your car has a very dark mask (dark tint) on a public road, it will also draw the attention of the police..
It's simple human nature and logic!
People who wear masks generally have something to hide.

Besides, the darker the tint, the less visability you have and this is why there are legal limits. :wink:

[why?]

Damn right. Sic 'em. :headbang:

You are? I can handle Florida, Auburn or even Georgia Tech. But we are gonna brawl if you bring up the Crimson Tide...:mad:

-C

lols. What about Boise? made y'all look pathetic. I'll always be a gator fan at heart, bu I love what Steve Spurrier is doing with the Gamecocks. Means there is two games I look forward to every saturday.

[SAV912]

lols. What about Boise? made y'all look pathetic. I'll always be a gator fan at heart, bu I love what Steve Spurrier is doing with the Gamecocks. Means there is two games I look forward to every saturday.

Boise did make us look bad. I was there at that game. It was DEAFENING in the first quarter when Boykin ran that 82 yard end-around. And then Kellen Moore did what he does best: make a secondary look outright silly.

Thankfully, the 0-2 start still ended with SEC-E champion rings, and a rare win over your Gators. :wink:

Spurrier is doing awesome things at USC. If Lattimore returns healthy this coming season, they will be scary good on offense. Just hope the D can replace all those departing linebackers.

-C

OP: Sorry for off topic, but football is better than politics. :biggrin:

[Mead]

Besides, the darker the tint, the less visability you have and this is why there are legal limits. :wink:

yep in a perfect world we could tint the windshield :rolleyes: but in LA I share the road with serial killers, child molesters and :smoking:... seeing who's next to me is kinda important :laughabove:

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Cops generally ignore speeders when they are going with the flow of traffic However, if you are the lone speeder, you will get pulled over.


The same goes for tints.
It you were to wear a mask in a public place you will draw the attention of the police every time. If your car has a very dark mask (dark tint) on a public road, it will also draw the attention of the police..
It's simple human nature and logic!
People who wear masks generally have something to hide.

Besides, the darker the tint, the less visability you have and this is why there are legal limits. :wink:

Odd since most cars I see while driving on the freeway had darker tints that I did at the time, I guess they singled me out because I was driving slower than the speed limit! Facking bullshiznits.

I also understand the legal limits, but come on, it gets to be over 100 degrees out here in Cali. 70% just isn't going to cut it.

[JumpmanYaris]

Damn right. Sic 'em. :headbang:

You are? I can handle Florida, Auburn or even Georgia Tech. But we are gonna brawl if you bring up the Crimson Tide...:mad:

-C

UK ALL THE WAY BITCHES LOL

[SAV912]

UK ALL THE WAY BITCHES LOL

So did you enjoy that first win over the Vols in 25 years? :laugh:

-C

[landrym28]

I run 50% on my front drivers and passengers side windows. When I went for my yearly inspection, I was told that as long as they could still see in, they'd inspect it, which, technically, you could still see in.

I was also told that for the most part, something like window tint (especially at only 50%) is almost like a secondary ticket. In order words, if I were to get caught for speeding, they would probably check the tint as well. As long as I'm not driving like an asshole and looking to get pulled over, I'd be ok. I've driven by the local police station plenty of times while they're waiting to pull out of the parking lot, and they never even gave me a second look.

-Matt

[why?]

Boise did make us look bad. I was there at that game. It was DEAFENING in the first quarter when Boykin ran that 82 yard end-around. And then Kellen Moore did what he does best: make a secondary look outright silly.

Thankfully, the 0-2 start still ended with SEC-E champion rings, and a rare win over your Gators. :wink:

Spurrier is doing awesome things at USC. If Lattimore returns healthy this coming season, they will be scary good on offense. Just hope the D can replace all those departing linebackers.

-C

OP: Sorry for off topic, but football is better than politics. :biggrin:

Spurrier has always had a knack of finding the best D coordinator possible for his teams. The list of people that have been his d coaches is rather amazing.

The gators are in trouble, that jackass Urban Meyer left them with no talent. Winning two championships is great, but what he did to them at the end if cowardice.
UK ALL THE WAY BITCHES LOL

Rooting for UK now is a little like rooting for the Patriots from the 60's to 2000. I feel for you.

[RedRide]

I run 50% on my front drivers and passengers side windows. When I went for my yearly inspection, I was told that as long as they could still see in, they'd inspect it, which, technically, you could still see in.

I was also told that for the most part, something like window tint (especially at only 50%) is almost like a secondary ticket. In order words, if I were to get caught for speeding, they would probably check the tint as well. As long as I'm not driving like an asshole and looking to get pulled over, I'd be ok. I've driven by the local police station plenty of times while they're waiting to pull out of the parking lot, and they never even gave me a second look.

-Matt

I have to agree with that for the most part.
Having had a close friend and also a close familiy member who were both cops in the past.....
They both said that unless a motorist does something dumb like speeding past them etc , they will ignore most minor things they see.

In other words, if you "dare" a cop to stop you by willfully doing something stupid, you will get stoped.
"Stupid" dark tints "dare" a cop to stop you.

BTW both also told me that monthly ticket quotas are very true for many police departments.
There is a reason for the quotas. Fine money it fugured into the bugets and when they do not have enough close to a moth's end, they wiil stop you for most anything!

[SAV912]

Spurrier has always had a knack of finding the best D coordinator possible for his teams. The list of people that have been his d coaches is rather amazing.

The gators are in trouble, that jackass Urban Meyer left them with no talent. Winning two championships is great, but what he did to them at the end if cowardice.


Rooting for UK now is a little like rooting for the Patriots from the 60's to 2000. I feel for you.

Famous Kentucky football quote: Yeah?! Just wait til basketball season! lol

I knew Meyer was a flake. He brought a masterful execution of the spread to the SEC and a once in a generation player like Tebow certainly made the most of it. After Tebow left, it was clear that there needed to be some changes of how to execute the spread, as it was taking three quarterbacks to do what one was previously capable of. I do think it was cowardly how he backed out and "retired" twice when the going got tough. An 8-5 season like the Gators had in 2010 was hardly dreadful and worth retiring over, only to end up in Columbus like we all knew he would. :/

-C

[yarisitis]

I resolved my ticket for anyone interested in knowing the outcome and cost.

The full fine for the ticket was $208, but only $25 if I got the tint removed which is what I did. Just an FYI for those in CA, take your car to a CHP station to get the proof of correction certified because they don't charge you. If you take your car to a regular police department, they will charge you for certifying the proof of correction on top of the $25 you have to pay to the court.

[1.5]

I resolved my ticket for anyone interested in knowing the outcome and cost.

The full fine for the ticket was $208, but only $25 if I got the tint removed which is what I did. Just an FYI for those in CA, take your car to a CHP station to get the proof of correction certified because they don't charge you. If you take your car to a regular police department, they will charge you for certifying the proof of correction on top of the $25 you have to pay to the court.

What crooks.They make you think you're getting a deal by removing it when in actuality it probably would have cost more than 208 to remove it and have it certified had you not gone to CHP.

[12 yaris]

I had to remove tint from front doors,I just couldn't see at night.
I will install a lighter tint though.

[RedRide]

I had to remove tint from front doors,I just couldn't see at night.
I will install a lighter tint though.

That's one of the main reasons why there are legal tint limits. :thumbsup:
Someone who does not have the good sense you do is a hazzed to themselves and everyone else on the road.