"Flush" look (test fit on my car)

[Walter]

I tried on my new set of wheels, I figure a little bit of negative camber in front and they should fit fairly well. 16X9 ET20 :biggrin:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii117/Waltdeezie/16x9testfit3.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii117/Waltdeezie/16x9testfit4.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii117/Waltdeezie/16x9testfit2.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii117/Waltdeezie/16x9testfit.jpg

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

nice. are those projec stars off your vw?

[coheed]

How much are those tires stretched? Look like 195 or 205's.

[aucorium]

those are AWESOME !!! i love it man !!!!

[YAR1S]

too bad you dont live in hawaii.... you could have been the first hella flush yaris. :)

looks awesome.... stick a rear wheel on there too!

[Tamago]

rears won't fit without cutting the fenders.. not in those offsets/widths anyway.

[Brentorius]

Isn't that more of a 'poke' :p

[dinamix]

more pics!!!

[blacksandiegovitz]

more pics!!!

+ 2
Looks badass man ! you've always had a low offset rims but these are killin' it :thumbsup:

[Black Yaris]

white grilles in the front look awesome, stretched tires look like crap

[Walter]

Thanks for the comments guys. To those that think the stretch looks like crap, to each their own. Theyre 205/40/16 Falkens. Theyre off of my friend's GTi, my set is the same size/ offset but theyre a silver finish with machined lip. The rears will have absolutely no problem at all, I ran 15x8 ET0 in the past and these poke less. I just wanted to test fit the front to make sure I didnt want to swap them out for a narrower front... I like the look of 9s all around though.

[yarisugi]

HOTNESS! I'm with you all the way, Walter. You always got sick wheel setups.

[jekqmb]

Nice man, read my sig :thumbup:
Im buying 14x9 Diamond Racing rims in the spring....Heading to hella flush this year too! Im on silk roads....

[Walter]

Yarisugi- Thanks! My Beetle is running 18x10.5 :D

jekqmb- Nice! Diamond racing steelies are really cool! I was very close to widening my stock steelies but decided to go this route. Post up pics when theyre mounted.

Heres another pic to show the poke, Im thinking -2 degrees...
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii117/Waltdeezie/16x9testfit5.jpg

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Yarisugi- Thanks! My Beetle is running 18x10.5 :D

jekqmb- Nice! Diamond racing steelies are really cool! I was very close to widening my stock steelies but decided to go this route. Post up pics when theyre mounted.

Heres another pic to show the poke, Im thinking -2 degrees...
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii117/Waltdeezie/16x9testfit5.jpg

I think it's going to need more than -2 degrees. I was looking online, and -2 doesn't seem too much. I PS'ed one with probably more than -2.

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/YarisKaos/16x9testfit5negcam.jpg

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Sorry for a crappy job, it's getting late. lol.

[counterfiend]

Yeah. Your going to need camber and to pull the fenders to get those to fit in there without rubbing. Unless you have the stiffest springs with the stiffest set dampers you can find.

[cali yaris]

Walter FTW... again. :bow:

[DerFlosser]

I have owned so many deep dish wheels and owned those exact wheels in the stock silver finish with flat caps and can tell you that to fit on a yaris, you will need atleast 3.5 degrees of camber along with rolling the fender. Unless you want to wear a mouthpiece when you drive...then you might be able to get away with less camber but you'll still have to pull/roll. Looks good though...especially on white.

[ctrj]

Is stretching the sidewall like that safe?

[jekqmb]

Hey i would go -3 with a rolled fender and you should be good, cause you want it prefectly flush with the lip. This is going to be awesome!

[hatchblack]

walter, that fitment will look sweet! you can't let the vdub guys have all the fun!

[minired5stby]

Whatever you end up with I'm sure it will look sick bro.

[Black Yaris]

Is stretching the sidewall like that safe?

no it is not

[DerFlosser]

no it is not

Why is that? I have never had any issue at all with stretched tires. As long as they are inflated properly, they should be just fine.

[Black Yaris]

stretching tires puts extra stress on the sidewall, and tires are not meant to be seated at that steep of an angle. If you over inflate to keep the tire seated you put even more stress on the sidewalls, and if you under inflate to keep the stress down on the sidewall, you run the risk of unseating the bead.

Over all forcing something way beyond it's normal limit is usually a bad idea

[PHXDEMON]

Stretched tires lol

[PHXDEMON]

seriously though I would never stretch tires for the following reasons

Tires distorted due to being fitted to too wide a rim requiring much higher inflation pressures to prevent excessive wear on the edges of the tread surface
Rough choppy ride due to higher inflation requirements
Likelyhood of actually having the tire coming off the bead if impacted
Higher wear rate on suspension components
Higher wear rate on wheel bearings
Poor directional stability due to wrong offset being used

[PHXDEMON]

This actually originated on euro cars due to laws passed that only allowed a certain width of tire tread on vehicles. So people started running ridiculously wide wheels with the same size tires to "rebel" against the new standards.

http://www.searchviews.com/wp-content/themes/clean-copy-full-3-column-1/images/the_more_you_know2.jpg

[DerFlosser]

Never heard of any of those complaints from anybody running stretched tires. I don't find the ride quality any different and suspension components are doing just fine. The biggest problem I can see is unseating the bead. Aside from that, I think most of the rest of the complaints against stretched tires don't really hold up very well.

[marlondog]

GDF's: God Damn Flushaholics!

[cali yaris]

Never heard of any of those complaints from anybody running stretched tires.

+1.

phxdemon, state your source for all the claims in post #28 -- then we can have a real, informed discussion on the matter.

[Tamago]

common sense would tell you that a stretched tire is not as safe as a tire on the correct width wheel:

1. grip is reduced
2. tire will be much hotter during operation (you are placing more load on the sidewalls, because they're designed to support weight on a "vertical" plane, not leaned over to the side. because the sidewall of the tire is now being stressed outside of it's safety zone, the extra movement of the sidewall during motion will create much more heat
3. more heat = less speed capability. if the tire is rated to 118mph on a stock wheel, give it about 80mph stretched.
4. when you stretch a tire, you are creating a "cup" in the center of the tread. this leaves the "corners" of the tires pushing more onto the road unless the pressures are raised internally.
5. raising the internal pressure of the tire to prevent weird wear patterns decreases contact patch, and increases growth during the hot cycle (see boyle's law)

common sense people.

stretching is for poseurs and show queens. would you trust your life to half a comdom? no? you'd rather have a whole condom in place during intercourse? but a half a condom looks so much more "flush"!!

[YAR1S]

would you trust your life to half a comdom? no? you'd rather have a whole condom in place during intercourse? but a half a condom looks so much more "flush"!!
:laugh::thumbsup:

[RacerFreakXXX]

common sense would tell you that a stretched tire is not as safe as a tire on the correct width wheel:

1. grip is reduced
2. tire will be much hotter during operation (you are placing more load on the sidewalls, because they're designed to support weight on a "vertical" plane, not leaned over to the side. because the sidewall of the tire is now being stressed outside of it's safety zone, the extra movement of the sidewall during motion will create much more heat
3. more heat = less speed capability. if the tire is rated to 118mph on a stock wheel, give it about 80mph stretched.
4. when you stretch a tire, you are creating a "cup" in the center of the tread. this leaves the "corners" of the tires pushing more onto the road unless the pressures are raised internally.
5. raising the internal pressure of the tire to prevent weird wear patterns decreases contact patch, and increases growth during the hot cycle (see boyle's law)

common sense people.

stretching is for poseurs and show queens. would you trust your life to half a comdom? no? you'd rather have a whole condom in place during intercourse? but a half a condom looks so much more "flush"!!


people in touge and drift have been stretching there tires for plenty of years and you don't see them complaining. Drifting requires maximum grip out of a tire and I see lots of pro's stretching. Although most of those people actually care a lot about show, but to each their own. No one said you had to stretch tamango.


I give the op credit just for trying it :thumbsup:

[jekqmb]

Stretching a small tire on a wide rim correctly is very hard too do...If done properly it will not fail and looks amazing, and to go flush it must be done because the lip of the wheel has to line up with the fender edge to be considered "Flush", there can be no poke at all. They actually make tires that are made to pretty much be stretched and are used for negative camber. Alot of VW owners use them....

[coheed]

They actually make tires that are made to pretty much be stretched and are used for negative camber. Alot of VW owners use them....

Actually these tire are tried and true stretchers. Some pros use them in D1GP so idk why anyone would feel unsafe using them on the street.

toyo t1-s
dunlop sp9000
dunlop sp8080e
falken fk451

[jekqmb]

Actually these tire are tried and true stretchers. Some pros use them in D1GP so idk why anyone would feel unsafe using them on the street.

toyo t1-s
dunlop sp9000
dunlop sp8080e
falken fk451

Thank you sir!:thumbup:

[RacerFreakXXX]

enough of the bickering... when are you getting your wheels? I want to see these bad boys on your car

[supmet]

+1.

phxdemon, state your source for all the claims in post #28 -- then we can have a real, informed discussion on the matter.

How about you find one tire manufacturer that recommends putting a 205 tire on a 9 inch rim, and then we can have a discussion. Or Racerfreak can put up a link of a "pro drifter" using some ridiculous stretch. I'm not talking 5-10% out of specs, I'm talking a 205 on a 9 inch rim

[RacerFreakXXX]

do some reading cuz it'll take me too long to find a pic of a pro drift car streched considering they are pics of them drifting.

http://www.drifting.com/forums/tech-discussion-forum/10088-streching-tires-the-truth-behind-them.html


I'm not gonna lie I'd rather put a 215 on a 9" but it could be a 195

[supmet]

do some reading cuz it'll take me too long to find a pic of a pro drift car streched considering they are pics of them drifting.

http://www.drifting.com/forums/tech-discussion-forum/10088-streching-tires-the-truth-behind-them.html


I'm not gonna lie I'd rather put a 215 on a 9" but it could be a 195

Post 1 from your link:

Ive heard that hey give you better grip, but ive also heard that its more for show and a lot more stuff.

Post 2 from your link:

but in all honesty, if i can stretch a 245 on a rim designed for a 275, id run the 275.


Thanks! Even wannabe drifters disagree with you.

[RacerFreakXXX]

Post 1 from your link:

Ive heard that hey give you better grip, but ive also heard that its more for show and a lot more stuff.

Post 2 from your link:

but in all honesty, if i can stretch a 245 on a rim designed for a 275, id run the 275.


Thanks! Even wannabe drifters disagree with you.


I love subjective reading :clap: ... I'm not saying stretch is better but saying it serves a purpose and is not bad. I would never run a major stretch on car for grip but then again your not gonna fit a 245 on a 9" wide wheel on a yaris.

[Thirty-Nine]

I think stretched tires look pretty cool, I'm not gonna lie. However, if it were advantageous to stretch your tires for performance, don't you think most racecars (not just D1 drivers) would do it?

Stretching, from what I understood, came from the need to pass inspection in Germany/Belgium. The inspection required that the tire's tread be completely under/inline with the fender. This, of course, didn't allow for very wide wheels or low offsets. So, people started to stretch the tires—tread was still in the fender, but the sidewalls and whatnot poked out a bit.

[RacerFreakXXX]

well small stretching actually eliminates side wall flex... that's about all it does for grip racing. It helps create a smoother drift but most people just get bigger wheels to cut down on side wall flex. I still give the op lots of credit for stretching the wheels on the little yaris.

[cali yaris]

How about you find one tire manufacturer that recommends putting a 205 tire on a 9 inch rim, and then we can have a discussion.

Why wouldn't you call for phxdemon to state his source also, as I requested? He stated an opinion; I did not. I asked for information. Something wrong with that?

I'm sure Toyota doesn't recommend half the crap we do to our cars, but they in point of fact run better and/or make more power -- so what's your point about manufacturers?

[supmet]

Why wouldn't you call for phxdemon to state his source also, as I requested? He stated an opinion; I did not. I asked for information. Something wrong with that?

Because 99.9% of people don't stretch their tires, and its widely accepted as bad for the tire, and the rest of the car.

I'm sure Toyota doesn't recommend half the crap we do to our cars, but they in point of fact run better and/or make more power -- so what's your point about manufacturers?

It doesn't offer performance gains, find me an auto crosser running a ridiculous stretch and placing.

[DerFlosser]

Because 99.9% of people don't stretch their tires, and its widely accepted as bad for the tire, and the rest of the car.
gains, find me an auto crosser running a ridiculous stretch and placing.

Useless argument....99.9% of the population doesn't modify their car or even know what "tire stretching" is given this frame of context.


OBVIOUSLY....autcrossing is totally different than being on a track or on the street. It's night and day....

[Tamago]

i've come to the conclusion that arguing with boneheads who want to do what they want to do, regardless of other data out there, is a giant waste of time. therefore i'm leaving one last thought.







to each their own.

[wildmongoose26]

I say let the man do whatever he wants to do. YOur style or not just let him do it.

And DerFlosser, it seems like all you do is get in arguments.

[cali yaris]

how did autocrossing become the point, supmet? Irrelevant to a guy with a street car running stretched tires. Hey Walter and other stretched-tire-guys, how many flats or tires coming off the rims have you ever had? THAT is real data, which is all I keep asking for.

[Astroman]

Got enough complaints gonna close this till everyone settles down.