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sujonol78
01-29-2010, 04:56 AM
Hi there, I guess some of you had read some of my comment in the thread, and yes you can call me the crazy guy from Indonesia. So in this time I just want to share how we do things in Indonesia, specifically for our beloved 1NZ-FE engine. What we did ( my tuner and me ) is not the SOP for other tuners ( in Indonesia ), nor the only right way, some of them are also doing an even better way of tuning, or the other way around. One thing we should all remember, same car same model same engine even same manufacturing time or person is definitely has different characteristic, means that you cannot 100% copy others tuning to your own car, you can do the same style but definitely requires different fine tuning. I also apologize for using a little bit rude words to describe my feeling.

So this is what I did and will do for my 1NZ-FE ( historically ):
1. My 1NZ-FE is 2005 M/T model, I started to modify it when I start using it in the end of 2007. Previously my father used it, with very minimum maintenance and low grade gasoline. So my mileage starts at 55000km. I started to change the gasoline to the best we have in Indonesia, unfortunately at that time we only have Shell, so I used the Shell’s 95octane gasoline. Currently I’m using “Total” 95 octane gasoline.
2. I changed the engine oil and the transmission oil with a better quality oil, currently I am using Motul 5W-30 oil, and the most important thing is the transmission oil you should use the GL-5 type oil ( OEM factory recommendation, in Indonesia, is GL-3 ). You should feel the difference by now. If you are using auto tranny, I suggest you use a higher grade oil. Motul oil 5w-30 costs USD 10,- / liter
3. The next important modification is using auxiliary intake system ( intake induction system ), it is not turbo or supercharger, but think of it like a coronary by-pass, so it supplies extra fresh air for the engine. Just unplug the vacuum hose that is connected to the throttle body, use a T connector and hose, to make an extension line, then use a couple of valves ( 1 way valve ) and put a filter on the tip. You can experiment with the valves quantity and size, also the hose length until you get the right one. I trust my butt dyno for this, it really improves your acceleration and decrease the engine load. It is completely harmless ( as long as you put a filter on it ) to the engine, because the engine just take the air as much as it needs it ( unlike forced induction or supercharger ). At that time I still used my OEM standard air filter box and the air filter. When you experiment with the auxiliary intake, too much is not good, too little is also not good. There is no specific standard for the size or quantity, it is depend on your car’s characteristic and tuning. It costs no more than USD 40,- per system ( free valve and filter replacement if you are a regular customer ). FYI even if you had installed a forced induction system, this auxiliary intake induction system can also be used ( before and after the forced induction ), your butt dyno is sufficient to tell the different. Picture below.

4. Throttle Body polishing
my tuner do it for FREE ( if you are a regular customer ) and it only takes no more than 30 minutes to polish it, USD 40,- ??? 3 hours??
if you are going NA or still using it for daily transport, I strongly suggest that you don’t polish the whole surface and shiny, because it will affect your fuel consumption and power loss, for NA ( or light modification ) you should make it a slope, just polish it a on the entrance but not too much on the throttle flap area, that way you can get some air pressure and air flow. If you’re going for the forced induction, you can polish the whole surface, because you get the air flow and pressure from the forced induction. For my car, I’m doing NA, and again my butt dyno knows the difference. Picture below

5. Replace the OEM air filter
I replace it with JFC sport air filter, and I took out the intake tube.
by this time your low – mid power band should improved a lot, please excuse me for always using my butt dyno for comparison. JFC sport filter = USD 35,- Picture below

6. Spark plugs
for daily usage, I use Champion spark plugs ( not racing type ), with a little cold characteristic. At this stage I could reach 195 km/hr ( yes, the higher power band still too slow ). Spark plugs ( 4 pcs ) = +/- USD 1 or 2,- ( I got it for free )

7. Ground wiring
I am using custom ground wiring for the engine and battery ( = +/- USD10 – 15,- per set ), again I got it for free.

up to this stage, it is considered as a basic performance standard for my tuner’s shop. You will definitely feel the difference for no more than USD 150,- trust me, I’m not BS-ing.


8. Clutch set
I happened to go to Japan 1 year ago, so ( after consulting with my tuner ) I decided to buy TRD clutch plate and cover. I don’t need to tell you how TRD clutch, or other aftermarket clutch feels, the good thing about TRD clutch is that the clutch pedal is not becoming harder / heavier when you step on it. And no, it doesn’t make any noise. TRD clutch set = USD 500,-

9. Tires
I replaced the OEM tire with Yokohama C-Drive ( asymmetric type ) = USD 80,- per piece. With OEM standard spec and rims ( 185 / 55 / R15 )

10. APEXI Neo
around March of 2009, I installed APEXI Neo for the AFR. Don’t worry, it fits almost any Japanese cars perfectly. If you can’t find the diagram, you can use multi-tester to find the right slot or wire. No need to waste time to debate about the compatibility of A/T or M/T, or which year or model. APEXI Neo + dyno = USD 350,- + USD 70,-

up to this point I got 132,4 HP and max torque 173 Nm. With the total cost of no more than USD 1000,-

you can experiment with various setting for the AFR but please consult with a good tuner who understand about it.

11. Carbon Clean
carbon clean your engine once in a while, you will know the difference. Don’t use the spray type!

12. CamCon for VVTI
installing camcon is a must! I combine it with Apexi Neo ( check out my pics in the member page ). Again I use my butt dyno to feel and know the difference. Please don’t argue or complain about the wiring diagram, it is quite easy to install, just use the multi tester if you can’t find the diagram. Please remember to ask an experienced tuner how to set a suitable parameter for your car, and remember each car has different characteristic. Too much is not good, too little is also not sufficient. In the same time I also added another grounding for the ECU. Camcon price = USD325,-


13. Suspension
I changed my front shock absorber with stiffer one, I use “Monroe” shock absorber. For the rear absorber with “Tokico” shock absorber ( gas type ) and of course stiffer. I am keeping the OEM springs for driving comfort. Monroe shock absorber = USD 100,- Tokico shock absorber = USD 80,-

14. Custom exhaust manifold & Muffler
custom muffler and piping and exhaust manifold. Since I’m running NA and for daily usage, I just add about 3 – 5 mm from the OEM size for the piping and exhaust manifold, and I took out the catalytic converter. Total cost = USD 200,-

Congratulation, now you can experiment with various settings and maximize the performance of your 1NZ-FE with the cost no more than USD 1700,-.

15. Additional auxiliary intake system
I add additional auxiliary intake system on the intake manifold. I punched 2 holes and connected another set of auxiliary intake system. This is quite extreme for daily use, since I have Apexi Neo and Camcon working in the same time, my tuner can adjust the appropriate settings. Picture below

16. Pistons
I use oversize CP Pistons ( 75.5 ), still work in progress

17. Balancing
10,000 RPM balancing for the crank shaft and flywheel, still work in progress

18. Valve clearance
Re-calculate and re-set the valve clearance, still work in progress

I will post the dyno later, but I still trust my butt dyno ;)
I couldn’t have done this without the help of my tuner ( and also my friend ). So if you should ask which tuner I am using, then the answer is Mr. Andreas from the “Phoenix-r”

link for pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/sujonol78/ViosPiggybacks?feat=directlink

d1nzfe
01-29-2010, 06:43 AM
132hp on flywheel? whats the tcf?

Parmas
01-29-2010, 07:03 AM
I have some questions on this:

- Do you plan forced induction on this engine?
- The pistons are certainly lower compression... how much?
- I do not understand why upgrading the pistons and keeping stock rods?
- Can you tell more about the "auxiliary intake induction system" ?
- What will be the car used for ? Daily use or racing ?

ROCKLAND TOYOTA
01-29-2010, 07:51 AM
i have a few questions but am waiting on a few more responses.

Parmas
01-29-2010, 08:25 AM
Reviding the pictures I could answer my own questions....

The engine can't be used with forced induction because of the ""auxiliary intake induction system" since boosted air will be forced out instead. Saying this...... so why using lower compression pistons on an N\A engine cause you will only loose power that way. If you want to change pistons it would be better to plan for slightly higher compression ones keeping in mind good valve clearance.

Also ... what about fuel injectors? Are they still stock?

cali yaris
01-29-2010, 10:02 AM
up to this point I got 132,4 HP

so far in your description you have: an aux. intake, throttle body polish, and an Apexi Neo as your engine modifications.

Where does the number 132.4 (a very specific number) come from at that point?

Then, after that, you describe a mild exhaust, a camcon and "more" aux. intake mods.

I think I'll watch this one... :smile:

marcus
01-29-2010, 10:33 AM
wheres the pictures..

Parmas
01-29-2010, 11:03 AM
wheres the pictures..

http://picasaweb.google.com/sujonol7...eat=directlink

06silveryaris
01-29-2010, 11:49 AM
link is empty

Schizoprenia
01-29-2010, 12:08 PM
hello,
im from indo too...

i'm a little confused here... your target is actually say 132bhp, i dont think that you have to go to all the trouble and because for my yaris, i had what i describe as less extreme mod, with slightly more if not similar bhp:
modifications are:
-TRD Headers
-centre pipe custom- crush bent(i know i should get mandrel, but in indo, i didnt know of any shop that can do mandrel bending)
-unversal muffler 1.5l-1.8l class tanabe super medallion racing
-dastek unichip C-type
-lighten flywheel and balance
-JFC replacement filter(oiled)

as you can see, i have no port and polish involved, no throttle body works, and definitely not touching the cams, rods or anything serious... this i have 138bhp///90RON octane, 'PREMIUM' (that's what we call that gas grade in indonesia) with the dastek dynamometer dyno... judging from your spec, i suppose more bhp should be achieved...

sujonol78
01-29-2010, 09:41 PM
I have some questions on this:

- Do you plan forced induction on this engine?
- The pistons are certainly lower compression... how much?
- I do not understand why upgrading the pistons and keeping stock rods?
- Can you tell more about the "auxiliary intake induction system" ?
- What will be the car used for ? Daily use or racing ?

i don't have any plans for forced induction.

according to CP it is about 9:1 but i think it should be higher than that.

the reason i'm keeping with stock rods is because I don't want to sacrifice the lower end power band, if I were to change the rods, i would've used the titanium rods. I'm still using my car for daily transport, and occasionaly drag racing.

auxiliary intake induction system, just think of it as an air by-pass, you by-pass the air filter box and your engine gets additional fresh air. there are some time needed for the air to travel through the intake tube, then to the air filter box, then pass through the air filter and goes to another tube before arriving in the throttle body. the auxiliary intake induction travels faster than the intake system ( the engine will get the air needed before the original air from the intake arrives ) so you will get a good response in the lower end. the valve in the auxiliary intake induction reacts to the suction power of the engine ( you can adjust the stiffness of the spring, so you can manage when the valve should opens ). this way the engine will get extra fresh air along the way.

sujonol78
01-29-2010, 09:47 PM
Reviding the pictures I could answer my own questions....

The engine can't be used with forced induction because of the ""auxiliary intake induction system" since boosted air will be forced out instead. Saying this...... so why using lower compression pistons on an N\A engine cause you will only loose power that way. If you want to change pistons it would be better to plan for slightly higher compression ones keeping in mind good valve clearance.

Also ... what about fuel injectors? Are they still stock?

yes the engine can still use forced induction, because the there are 1 way valves in the auxiliary intake induction system ( the forced air can not escape through the valves ). My tuner do many forced induction cars with the auxiliary induction system.

i don't think the piston is that low compression, i will re-check again.

the fuel injectors are still stock but i clean it periodically.

sujonol78
01-29-2010, 10:24 PM
the dyno was on the engine.

sujonol78
01-29-2010, 10:28 PM
we can not judge a piston by just its' appearance, there are other influencing factors too. for the piston that i use, it is not as low as it seems, but also not as high as you might think. it depends on the other supporting factors and tuning. the end results for my piston is slightly touching the high compression area.

sujonol78
01-29-2010, 10:39 PM
hello,
im from indo too...

i'm a little confused here... your target is actually say 132bhp, i dont think that you have to go to all the trouble and because for my yaris, i had what i describe as less extreme mod, with slightly more if not similar bhp:
modifications are:
-TRD Headers
-centre pipe custom- crush bent(i know i should get mandrel, but in indo, i didnt know of any shop that can do mandrel bending)
-unversal muffler 1.5l-1.8l class tanabe super medallion racing
-dastek unichip C-type
-lighten flywheel and balance
-JFC replacement filter(oiled)

as you can see, i have no port and polish involved, no throttle body works, and definitely not touching the cams, rods or anything serious... this i have 138bhp///90RON octane, 'PREMIUM' (that's what we call that gas grade in indonesia) with the dastek dynamometer dyno... judging from your spec, i suppose more bhp should be achieved...


132HP was on Apexi, TRD clutch ( original ), auxiliary intake, JFC filter, and custom muffler only.

judging from your spec i am definitely sure you could achieve more, especially if you are using original TRD headers, original Tanabe Muffler, and setting the dastek correctly. :w00t:

1.5
01-29-2010, 10:49 PM
132 for barely any mods? what dyno is this?

TOUGEghost
01-29-2010, 10:53 PM
So it's like you gave yourself a whole bunch of vacuum leaks with all the unmetered air from the butt dyno tuned "auxiliary air intake" system, although I really can't see much air actually getting through all those tiny little tubes, filters, and valves anyway. :iono:

132HP was on Apexi, TRD clutch ( original ), auxiliary intake, JFC filter, and custom muffler only.


You're claiming you got about 23hp from an AFC, air filter, and a muffler?

sujonol78
01-29-2010, 10:55 PM
132 for barely any mods? what dyno is this?

it is called getting the most of your engine by TUNING :wink:

sujonol78
01-29-2010, 10:59 PM
So it's like you gave yourself a whole bunch of vacuum leaks with all the unmetered air from the butt dyno tuned "auxiliary air intake" system. Although I really can't see much air actually getting through all those tiny little tubes, filters, and valves anyway. :iono:

don't worry, a lot of people don't believe it either, but once you have tried it, then it is a completely different story :wink:

d1nzfe
01-29-2010, 11:02 PM
nice dyno machine u have in indo. But i dont wish to run on that dyno ever!

sujonol78
01-29-2010, 11:14 PM
nice dyno machine u have in indo. But i dont wish to run on that dyno ever!

it's not the dyno's fault :frown: it is just a different way of tuning.:smile:

d1nzfe
01-29-2010, 11:15 PM
it's not the dyno's fault :frown: it is just a different way of tuning.:smile:

your tuner should travel the world and be famous then. :wink:

sujonol78
01-29-2010, 11:25 PM
your tuner should travel the world and be famous then. :wink:

if you have a chance to come to jakarta, i will introduce him to you :thumbup:

cali yaris
01-30-2010, 12:19 AM
the reason i'm keeping with stock rods is because I don't want to sacrifice the lower end power band

How are rods related to power output, except that forged ones don't break as easily? :iono:

scioncrew
01-30-2010, 02:42 AM
:confused:

cali yaris
01-30-2010, 01:20 PM
07 Toyota Yaris 310hp

:wub:

d1nzfe
01-30-2010, 11:14 PM
omg we are pushing up his topic popularity!

1.5
01-30-2010, 11:27 PM
getting 132 with those mods is not done by simply tunning lol. theres more to it than that.

supmet
01-31-2010, 12:24 AM
I like all the disbelief from people in the US where we can't do shit with our ECU, and its well known in asia they can tune the stock ECU.

Maybe as a community we could try to learn something and improve the yaris, instead of talking crap to the new guy

If he said he was from puerto rico and used duct tape and pvc you guys would believe him huh?

06silveryaris
01-31-2010, 07:34 AM
I like all the disbelief from people in the US where we can't do shit with our ECU, and its well known in asia they can tune the stock ECU.

Maybe as a community we could try to learn something and improve the yaris, instead of talking crap to the new guy

If he said he was from puerto rico and used duct tape and pvc you guys would believe him huh?

thats true +1

rob323
01-31-2010, 07:49 PM
With all the air that's getting in without being metered by the maf, which I assume you are compensating for with the Neo, what afr do you run under full load?
And if the throttle body is such a restriction, why not just upgrade it instead of doing the above?

cali yaris
01-31-2010, 08:09 PM
I like all the disbelief from people in the US where we can't do shit with our ECU, and its well known in asia they can tune the stock ECU.

Maybe as a community we could try to learn something and improve the yaris, instead of talking crap to the new guy

Asking questions is not talking crap, just for the record. And there are a few more or less experienced tuners on here that absolutely do not get what he is doing or why. That IS trying to learn.

sujonol78
02-01-2010, 01:18 AM
So it's like you gave yourself a whole bunch of vacuum leaks with all the unmetered air from the butt dyno tuned "auxiliary air intake" system, although I really can't see much air actually getting through all those tiny little tubes, filters, and valves anyway. :iono:



You're claiming you got about 23hp from an AFC, air filter, and a muffler?


yes

sujonol78
02-01-2010, 01:53 AM
i respect all the things you've done to increase the performance of your engine, i even learn something good from this forum. i never said it is a mistake, i never said that the things i did with my engine is the only "right" way. please understand the difference between tuning and modifying ( or even "replacing" ). yes, the stock engine holds a great potential without having to modify or replacing it with performance parts, so that's why we ( my tuner and i ) are exploring the hidden potentials, and i have shown you the results without any exaggerations or lies.

the same dispute also occurs in my country, so no harm done.
now you know there are "unconventional" ways to explore the hidden potentials with, if i may say, a more efficient way.

PS: I'm not from Puerto Rico, I haven't done anything to the stock ECU, and the PCV valves really works, and I don't care for popularity.

sujonol78
02-01-2010, 03:52 AM
How are rods related to power output, except that forged ones don't break as easily? :iono:


the reason i'm keeping the stock con-rod is because the terrain that i use is uphill - downhill type, that's why i need torque not top speed. if i change the con-rod i have to change the camshaft as well.

cali yaris
02-01-2010, 11:23 AM
no, forged rods are the same exact specifications as stock ones, in terms of shape and function. I have forged rods with stock camshafts and stock crankshaft.

Changing the rods simply does not change the power output of the motor.

90tsi
02-01-2010, 01:15 PM
i dont wanna jump in on this late but if i read and caught up correctly didnt you say you had the engine dynoed? i can see the 132 to there and not at the wheels with the few mods you do have. without the drive train loss you numbers are gonna be a little higher... but correct me if i misread

cali yaris
02-01-2010, 01:41 PM
I think you are correct, he got 132.4 bhp (brake horsepower).

Even with a 15% drivetrain loss (super conservative), that's close to 113 whp. with bolt-ons AND tuning, this is certainly possible.

at a 10% loss, it's 119 whp, that is a more "interesting" result.

slothman86
02-01-2010, 02:00 PM
doing it right

ozmdd
02-01-2010, 02:08 PM
I concur that 132 at the crank doesn't seem all that hard-to-achieve. I'm pushing 110-115 at the wheels with strictly bolt-on stuff (intake, pulley, exhaust, wheels)

At the same time, this all sounds very haphazard and unscientific. I'd love to believe it, but you don't back it up with any pics or dyno sheets. When/how did you hook-up your engine to a dyno? Are you sure this isn't an "estimated HP" thing?

Also, aren't you getting any CEL's from your modified intake/throttle body?

Seriously, post a pic of this intake bypass for us to check-out.

blacksandiegovitz
02-01-2010, 06:56 PM
I concur that 132 at the crank doesn't seem all that hard-to-achieve. I'm pushing 110-115 at the wheels with strictly bolt-on stuff (intake, pulley, exhaust, wheels)

At the same time, this all sounds very haphazard and unscientific. I'd love to believe it, but you don't back it up with any pics or dyno sheets. When/how did you hook-up your engine to a dyno? Are you sure this isn't an "estimated HP" thing?

Also, aren't you getting any CEL's from your modified intake/throttle body?

Seriously, post a pic of this intake bypass for us to check-out.

+2 More info on this "aux intake " set-up , thnx

Master Shake
02-01-2010, 07:11 PM
I am a disbeliever.

sujonol78
02-01-2010, 08:58 PM
no, forged rods are the same exact specifications as stock ones, in terms of shape and function. I have forged rods with stock camshafts and stock crankshaft.

Changing the rods simply does not change the power output of the motor.

i understand, but my idea of replacing the con-rod is with "lighter" con-rod material, if it is lighter, i think it will affect the lower power band. that's why when i change to the lighter rod, i will also change the camshafts. what do you think?

sujonol78
02-01-2010, 09:02 PM
it seems that we have a misunderstanding about the dyno method. as i mentioned before, it was on engine. for the next step i will use on the wheel :wink:

changchewsoon
02-02-2010, 04:17 AM
subscribed :)

rob323
02-02-2010, 04:34 PM
i understand, but my idea of replacing the con-rod is with "lighter" con-rod material, if it is lighter, i think it will affect the lower power band. that's why when i change to the lighter rod, i will also change the camshafts. what do you think?

Reducing conrod weight will have only a very marginal effect on the reciprocating mass. In other words, I severely doubt if you could tell the difference while driving it.

cali yaris
02-02-2010, 05:43 PM
+1

sujonol78
02-02-2010, 10:18 PM
Reducing conrod weight will have only a very marginal effect on the reciprocating mass. In other words, I severely doubt if you could tell the difference while driving it.

thanks for the info, i will keep it in mind for the next step.

Jerkratt
02-03-2010, 08:30 AM
ur drive by cable?

sujonol78
02-08-2010, 05:03 AM
ur drive by cable?

if i understood you correctly, the answer would be 'yes',
i'm not using the electronic throttle control

ozmdd
02-08-2010, 01:34 PM
How did you connect the dyno to the engine?