Pedal just stuck!

[Twistoffate0817]

What the heck! I was doing 15 mph and took my foot off accelerator pedal and it kept going! I had to press hard on my brakes and it dislodged itself. I have a 2009 3-door which the VIN number claims was made in Japan. I will not drive it now, and I already had an appointment set up for Monday because of problems I am having with the brakes.

[sqcomp]

"dislodged itelf"...

Hmmm, was it stuck with the mat? Why not kick it into neutral and then apply the brakes?

That is my first reaction...kick that clutch in.

[Twistoffate0817]

I took my mat out a few months ago, so no there was no mat. Since day 1 this car has been acting weird and have had it into the shop a few times. This just is another one of those freak things. As for the whole neutral thing, I was going to do that if the car would not stop. (I was in a neighborhood so no traffic)

[slothman86]

So the pedal was stuck, was there anything that it may have got stuck on?

[Twistoffate0817]

There is nothing down there it could possibly get stuck on. While the car was off, I pressed the pedal down as far as it could with my hand to see if it could get stuck on anything. I am hoping that it was just a one time incident, and will have it checked out on monday.

[Kioshi]

strange..i've had my clutch pedal feel like it was stuck, but that due to WalMart bought plastic weatherproof mats over my Yaris mats...it would only happen if i pulled the mat too much forward towards me..

[auxmike]

Was the actual pedal part stuck so it was'nt spring back up, or did it feel like an electrical thing?
Also, auto tranny or stick+ do you have cruise control?
Please let us know what the dealer says.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Only time I felt any pedal get stuck was with some rubber floor mats from Wally World. Since then I never ran the mat on the driver's seat and it never happened again.

[DandiDani]

wierd. no problems with my 09 lb here. made in japan also

[AzNguy]

do i hear, yaris recall?

[tk-421]

This doesn't sound good at all...
I've had no problems so far (07 LB), but I would still like to know what the dealership tells you.
Please keep us updated!

[tomato]

This doesn't sound good at all...
I've had no problems so far (07 LB), but I would still like to know what the dealership tells you.
Please keep us updated!

+1

[CtrlAltDefeat]

so far there has been no Yari recalled... I would bet this is an isolated event...

[ddongbap]

That can't be good. Its not exactly easy to yank the car into neutral when you have a manual, with power applied from the engine.

[tomato]

That can't be good. Its not exactly easy to yank the car into neutral when you have a manual, with power applied from the engine.

use the brake, use the e-brake, or can't you simply cut the engine off by turning the key?

[Loren]

Nobody has asked the most relevant question: Was the engine warmed up or was it cold? What was the ambient temperature?

The Yaris idles pretty high when it's cold, and the computer does funny things sometimes when you're on/off throttle, especially when it's cold.

Stuck means stuck. If you take your foot off the gas and put the clutch in or the transmission in neutral and the engine continues to race, THEN it's stuck.

[Loren]

That can't be good. Its not exactly easy to yank the car into neutral when you have a manual, with power applied from the engine.
The throttle sticking doesn't disable your clutch, does it?

If you have a manual, just push in the clutch.

[CtrlAltDefeat]

That can't be good. Its not exactly easy to yank the car into neutral when you have a manual, with power applied from the engine.

err unless I'm missing something, pressing the clutch in should make it easy to put it into neutral on a manual...

[cali yaris]

An even more relevant question:

there are two kinds of "stuck". 1, when the pedal stays physically depressed without your foot on it, and 2, an electronic malfunction that results in signal still being sent to the throttle.

Which kind of stuck is this?

[talnlnky]

Nobody has asked the most relevant question: Was the engine warmed up or was it cold? What was the ambient temperature?

The Yaris idles pretty high when it's cold, and the computer does funny things sometimes when you're on/off throttle, especially when it's cold.

Stuck means stuck. If you take your foot off the gas and put the clutch in or the transmission in neutral and the engine continues to race, THEN it's stuck.
that was what I was thinking...

[Snappy]

This thread made me finally search for info about the pedals and the purported "fix." I found these interesting threads (with pix:)

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/exclusive-ttac-takes-apart-both-toyota-gas-pedals/

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/toyota-gas-pedal-fix-explained-with-exclusive-photos/

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/why-toyota-must-replace-flawed-cts-gas-pedal-with-superior-denso-pedal/

Both my 2007 yaris hatches have Denso pedals.

[PaddyMac]

Sounds like a TROLL.
Looks like a TROLL
Smells like a TROLL
it must be a troll
let us not feed the troll

[WeeYari]

^ OP has been around longer than you have :rolleyes:

[Twistoffate0817]

I am not a troll, I have been on here before and shared my experiences with my Yaris. This pedal issue is serious and very real. To answer your questions, my car had been running for awhile, so the engine temp was probably not cold. I had no mat there, and the pedal stuck but released as i stepped on the brakes hard. I was doing a constant 15 mph in my neighborhood.

[Twistoffate0817]

And no, I do not have cruise control. I do not even have power windows or anything. Just a base model with a radio.

[advocate]

err unless I'm missing something, pressing the clutch in should make it easy to put it into neutral on a manual...

correct. what he means though is that at high RPMs the Yaris doesn't like to get out of gear, even in a manual. and the car would certainly be at high RPM if the accelerator was stuck.

it's the stock transmission oil, it could be a bit better.

[krusty]

have you done any mods to your car?

[127.0.0.1]

hey don't ask us to diagnose this.

take it to a dealer. no one will be able to give
an simdgen of actual good advice unless they look at it in person

take it to the dealer and don't get killed doing so

[Twistoffate0817]

The only mod i have performed is an "eco meter" that tracks how many MPG I have.

And yes I know, I just wanted to see if anyone else has had a problem with their pedals and to inform everyone here that it has happened.

[kustom play]

no issues with my 07 manual

it kept going as in it kept speeding up?

[TheSilkySmooth]

If yaris has any problem ist the noisy voltage rectification causing loss of power when a big electrical load is on. Thats the issue with my car. My throttle has never acted up - unless I made it stick to the floor with Ye ole' leadish foote.

[Kal-El]

^ OP has been around longer than you have :rolleyes:

And has 12.5 times as many posts.

People need to inform themselves before they post such accusations.

[JBougie]

Please keep us posted - I have never had a problem with my 07. Do you have the Denso pedals also?

It may be nothing, but I know I'd be at Toyota asap also to check it out.

[Kal-El]

What the heck! I was doing 15 mph and took my foot off accelerator pedal and it kept going! I had to press hard on my brakes and it dislodged itself.

Couple of observations...

Doesn't the car roll at about 15 mph at normal idle with foot of the gas? Nearly all AT cars do this. Only some German cars with excessive engine braking move along slower.

And at 15 mph, would it really call for jamming on the brake? I can't really see how it would be possible for the brakes to not respond under normal stooping pressure at a crawling speed of 15 mph.

Not to doubt your situation, but it doesn't seem to add up.

[Hershey]

see if the TOYO dealer where you purchased the car is willing to pick it up at your residence on a flatbed at TOYOTA's expense . We just traded in the 2009 automatic 5 door for a 2010 automatic 3 door . Please keep us informed of your plight . Best of luck .

[Hershey]

I too believe in T.O.F.s' words . Everyone's so quick to judge . TOYOTA is no saint . Like many big corporations . Money is the bottom line .

[Hershey]

here's a page from TOYOTA in EUROPE for the accelerator pedal recall . http://blog.toyota.co.uk/toyota-accelerator-pedal-recall-in-europe . Posted JANUARY 28 , 2010 . Imagine there's more up to date info on this issue . Thing is the 2009 YARIS is not likely to be worn or corroded this early . I believe it's the computer telling throttle to stay open .

[Hershey]

T.O.F.0817 is the brake issue having to do with taking a while to kick in as if there may be air in the brake line ? Our 2010 acts like this . May have to take it in for a look . Thanks .

[Twistoffate0817]

I am not asking anyone here to believe me, I am just explaining what happened. I am no special car person who knows all the technical terms and what not. I slammed on my brakes because I was scared. All i can describe was the car kept going at 15 mph, and as i tried to brake it just kept going. The car never keeps going that long at 15 mph, and i had to forcefully press the brakes and then i felt the car jerk and it came to a complete stop.


My brake problem is that sometimes they are mushy and sometimes they are fine. Sometimes it feels like they cant stop the car good enough.

With the whole Toyota recalls going on, I am trying to keep everyone on here as up to date and informed about what happened to me.

My car is parked until Monday. When I get home from the dealership I will surely update everyone here. Safety is the main goal at this point for everyone.

[Kal-El]

I am not asking anyone here to believe me, I am just explaining what happened. I am no special car person who knows all the technical terms and what not. I slammed on my brakes because I was scared. All i can describe was the car kept going at 15 mph, and as i tried to brake it just kept going. The car never keeps going that long at 15 mph, and i had to forcefully press the brakes and then i felt the car jerk and it came to a complete stop.


My brake problem is that sometimes they are mushy and sometimes they are fine. Sometimes it feels like they cant stop the car good enough.

With the whole Toyota recalls going on, I am trying to keep everyone on here as up to date and informed about what happened to me.

My car is parked until Monday. When I get home from the dealership I will surely update everyone here. Safety is the main goal at this point for everyone.

It's not necessarily because we don't believe you. Just questioning the details of the situation to get to the bottom of it. :smile:

I'm just confused because as I mentioned, almost all automatic transmission cars crawl at around 15 mph in drive with you foot off the gas which is why you have to ride the brake to go slower than 10-15mph. So the only problem I'm seeing here is that you say you first pressed your brake and it kept going which is hard to believe but if that's the case, you have a brake problem that's a 1 in 10 million shot.

:iono:

[ddongbap]

use the brake, use the e-brake, or can't you simply cut the engine off by turning the key?

You are SOOO right. LOL.

The throttle sticking doesn't disable your clutch, does it?

If you have a manual, just push in the clutch.

Man, WTF is wrong with me

[Twistoffate0817]

A little update: Dropped my car off to toyota dealer around 1:45 pm today. I explained my problems with the car, and also explained how when I have my cell phone in the holder under the radio and someone texts or calls me, the car acts funny. He asked me to leave my cell phone and car over night so they can test it.

He also tells me I am not the first one to complain about sticky pedals/weirdness with the computers ECU. Many cell phone complaints have come in saying when the cell phone is anywhere near the speedometer the car tends to act funny.

Tomorrow I will get my car back and see what they have to say.

As for now, I hope someone tries to see if theres a difference in their car when their cell phone is on and near the speedometer.

Some differences in driving from the cell phone interference: Pedal becomes harder to press, steering wheel acts different.

[CtrlAltDefeat]

A little update: Dropped my car off to toyota dealer around 1:45 pm today. I explained my problems with the car, and also explained how when I have my cell phone in the holder under the radio and someone texts or calls me, the car acts funny. He asked me to leave my cell phone and car over night so they can test it.

He also tells me I am not the first one to complain about sticky pedals/weirdness with the computers ECU. Many cell phone complaints have come in saying when the cell phone is anywhere near the speedometer the car tends to act funny.

Tomorrow I will get my car back and see what they have to say.

As for now, I hope someone tries to see if theres a difference in their car when their cell phone is on and near the speedometer.

Some differences in driving from the cell phone interference: Pedal becomes harder to press, steering wheel acts different.

Well that is interesting... I just started placing my cell on the shallow bowl in front of the spedo since I got one of those non-slip mats for your dash... will have to keep an eye on things when my phone is up there...

[why?]

that is weird. I've had my cell near the steering wheel and speedo and haven't had a problem yet, but mine is a manual.

[Gideon]

Weird. I've had my cellphone near the speedo and have never encountered an issue.

However I use CDMA/iDEN phones and not GSM, which do cause audio interference, but I can't imagine the same 217 Hz pulse causing issue to the car's electronics like you see with audible interference in radios/speakers/etc. :iono:

[tomato]

A little update: Dropped my car off to toyota dealer around 1:45 pm today. I explained my problems with the car, and also explained how when I have my cell phone in the holder under the radio and someone texts or calls me, the car acts funny. He asked me to leave my cell phone and car over night so they can test it.

He also tells me I am not the first one to complain about sticky pedals/weirdness with the computers ECU. Many cell phone complaints have come in saying when the cell phone is anywhere near the speedometer the car tends to act funny.

Tomorrow I will get my car back and see what they have to say.

As for now, I hope someone tries to see if theres a difference in their car when their cell phone is on and near the speedometer.

Some differences in driving from the cell phone interference: Pedal becomes harder to press, steering wheel acts different.\

That's weird. I put my cell there so I could see where I was going (google maps), didn't notice any problem. I'm on a GSM network.

(my usual fave spot for the cell is in the cup holder, though. It fits perfectly there. )

Yeah, please let us know what the dealer says.

[Twistoffate0817]

Just got the call from the dealership:

They thought they duplicated what I was feeling concerning the cell phone issue. It was a slight loss of power concerning the accelerator pedal, but only one technition thought he felt it. They had four other guys try and could not duplicate it. They have no solution to my problem, not unless toyota finds that there is an electrical problem in their vehicles. His advice for me right now was to just keep driving, and if anything unsafe happens again to bring it in and they would have to get involved with Toyota.

The whole odor notice from another thread was no use for my 09 hatch. They did not fix the odor even though I have it. They claimed that notice is for 07 hatchs and not mine.

And according to my braking issue, they claim they could not duplicate my feelings.

So i guess for now I keep driving it until something weird happens again. Keep an eye on how your cars are acting, especially if you have a cell phone near the speedometer.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I used to place my cell phone in the cup holder, never had any issues. I'm on a GSM network as well. My car is stick-shift.

[sbergman27]

I would suggest that ToF sit down and really consider all the possibilities. As I posted in another thread, the actual incidence of *alleged* reports of sudden acceleration problems for Toyota vehicles is 11.8 per 312,000 sold.That's 1 in 26,488. That's compared to, e.g., 8 in 312,000 for Ford and similar numbers for other manufacturers. And an interesting 22 per 100,000 for VW, which compares to 7 per 100,000 for Toyota based upon that reporting source. So, ToF, what do you think are the chances that you won the accelerator pedal lottery, against all odds, and this widely reported spontaneous sudden acceleration happened to you? And what do you think are the chances that you are just attributing some less interesting, but unrelated, isolated, phenomenon upon the current "Sudden Acceleration" frenzy that the media, apparently fueled by a beaten and somewhat embarrased United States government and auto industry, has cooked up?

Look. Toyota is a mega-corp. I just happen to have bought a car I like which happens to have been made by them. However, I have no great love for Toyota or any of the rest of the slave-driving bunch. But... I do recognize media-fueled mass hysteria, and the considerable power of suggestion when I see it.

My advice? Forget the current media circus. Consider the facts objectively. Analyze the merits of the data regarding your own situation. And get it worked out. Turn off the TV for a while and re-embrace sanity.

And as tempting as it is for me to blame cell phones for most of the World's ills... conscience compels me to point out that it is a most unlikely cause of your issue.

-Steve Bergman

[CtrlAltDefeat]

I would suggest that ToF sit down and really consider all the possibilities. As I posted in another thread, the actual incidence of *alleged* reports of sudden acceleration problems for Toyota vehicles is 11.8 per 312,000 sold.That's 1 in 26,488. That's compared to, e.g., 8 in 312,000 for Ford and similar numbers for other manufacturers. And an interesting 22 per 100,000 for VW, which compares to 7 per 100,000 for Toyota based upon that reporting source. So, ToF, what do you think are the chances that you won the accelerator pedal lottery, against all odds, and this widely reported spontaneous sudden acceleration happened to you? And what do you think are the chances that you are just attributing some less interesting, but unrelated, isolated, phenomenon upon the current "Sudden Acceleration" frenzy that the media, apparently fueled by a beaten and somewhat embarrased United States government and auto industry, has cooked up?

Look. Toyota is a mega-corp. I just happen to have bought a car I like which happens to have been made by them. However, I have no great love for Toyota or any of the rest of the slave-driving bunch. But... I do recognize media-fueled mass hysteria, and the considerable power of suggestion when I see it.

My advice? Forget the current media circus. Consider the facts objectively. Analyze the merits of the data regarding your own situation. And get it worked out. Turn off the TV for a while and re-embrace sanity.

And as tempting as it is for me to blame cell phones for most of the World's ills... conscience compels me to point out that it is a most unlikely cause of your issue.

-Steve Bergman

+1, also to consider is the fact that Yari are not on the list of recalled vehicles (not that I'm saying they can't be, but I'm saying they currently are not)

[YarisSedan]

From what i heard the issue with the toyota gas pedal recalls is the car will take off like a rocket without any warning. From what you describe it dosnt sound like this simular issue.

[sbergman27]

Thing is the 2009 YARIS is not likely to be worn or corroded this early . I believe it's the computer telling throttle to stay open .

Personally, I think it's a defect in human psychology telling people's mouths to stay too far open. :-) I reserve the right to change my mind if and when I see any convincing *evidence* that a problem actually exists. I'm somewhat skeptical even of validity of the floor mat issue.

This shows every indication of being an exercise in crowd control. And Toyota has to at least appear to be doing something, regardless of whether a problem exists or not.

[Hershey]

time will tell :wink: . It's a edge of your seat thriller :eyebulge: . Patience is not likely for those whom fret not knowing when their car may go haywire .

[Hershey]

not surprised service center did very little . When we took the '09 5 door in because of battery dying twice was told that it tested fine and must have been our doing by leaving something on . The car had the ECO-METER in it at time of inspection of battery . Bet they figured that was the culprit . This is part of the problem with recalls . Many service centers could care less about your investment or well being . Incompetence and laziness are a factor as well . You're just a a pain in the :moon: . As I over heard a service center manager say about me to a worker when getting snow tires removed . Had been doing business there for many years . Don't mean squat . Haven't been back since .

[JBougie]

I have a non-stick pad in the center of my dash and my cell phone stays there because I connected the MP3 player to my (aftermarket) stereo - I have never had an issue with it, and I go through 4,500 texts a month so it's safe to say my phone is connnstantly blowing up in the car (I do not text while driving, so they are in-coming only! No worries!) so that is a REALLY weird connection there.

I'm really sorry you're having problems - I wish cars weren't majority computers; I think that is a great deal of our current vehicle issues!

I hope they can figure something out for you though, that has to be frustrating :/

[jambo101]

I wish they'd just go back to a simple throttle cable,costs them almost nothing and usually lasts the life of the car,, i wonder if after all the problems they are having they are giving it some thought.

[Kal-El]

I wish they'd just go back to a simple throttle cable,costs them almost nothing and usually lasts the life of the car,, i wonder if after all the problems they are having they are giving it some thought.

Only problem is that drive by wire increases fuel economy as it works with the ECU to operate the engine and transmission and fuel delivery most efficiently.

If Toyota were to stop using it, and others continued, competitors would handily surpass Toyota in FE. And that's one of Toyota's strengths and selling points.

[SailDesign]

Just out of curiosity, I checked ToF's posting history.
A full 50% of the posts he started contain the words "Issue" or "Problem". Not pointing fingers (much), just pointing out.....

[Kal-El]

Some people live life looking for problems in perfection.

[SailDesign]

Some people live life looking for problems in perfection.

:smile:

[YAR1S]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/08/california.runaway.prius/index.html?hpt=T2


Hope the Yaris is not next.

[Altitude]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/08/california.runaway.prius/index.html?hpt=T2


Hope the Yaris is not next.

This guy doesn't strike me as credible.

[Kioshi]

in the article...it says he turned off the ignition and the car came to a halt...why didn't he do that before calling the cops and whatnot....

Personally i blame the Prius driver...i bet he was going 80 mph passing up the other car...as i see everyday a Prius driver does so on the highway..

People are just stupid nowadays...that's all there is to it...

[ezhacker1]

not trying to add oxygen to an ember to potentially be a flare up of problems.

But on the trip to MI's open house, i would sometimes coast in nuetral (clutch in) and i would see that at 70+ mph, even with clutch in the rpms would stay at whatever the rpms wouldl be at that speed for as long as the clutch was pressed so i would not have to rev match to put it back into gear. Either the car knows to keep rpms up so there wouldnt be a violent jerk if someone were to clutch/shift back in or somethings up.

On that same trip, going up a mountain (GrapeVine) i felt the car lost power, i would punch it (pedal all the way down) and in a 3rd gear i believe but still went up that mountain slow. I fell behind the caravan so much that the leader (advocate) called me up to see where i was.


I am wondering about the pedal all the way to the floor yet revs dont go any higher, is this a inherent drive by wire thing? that no more power for that gear means throttle would not be opened any further to waste gas?

[Mouse]

Has anyone else noticed that in the 2 known instances that the cars speed up only to (about) 100mph? If the car is at WOT why only to 100?

Another thing I notice is that this is happening a lot on the West but haven't heard much here on the Southeast of this happening. Can topography along with something else be a part of what's going on?

I was born and lived in Miami all my life. All I know are miles and miles of flat land. The tallest hill around here belongs to Waste Management.

[bitz767]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/08/california.runaway.prius/index.html?hpt=T2


Hope the Yaris is not next.

this guy seems to be lying to me, look at his eyes moving back and forth. He didnt think to stand on the breaks in the first place or turn it off? What did he do then? And i think if you pulled the pedal it would move not be stuck to the floor, but idk. sounds like a sham

[sbergman27]

This guy doesn't strike me as credible.
One of the things that makes all these "incidents" totally unbelievable is the way the "victims" always claim that the brakes couldn't stop the car. 0-60 in the Prius is about 10 seconds. About a 0.27g acceleration. 60-0 braking distance is 128 ft, which works out to about 0.9g. The brakes can stop the car well over 3 times faster than the engine can accelerate it. And *that* is limited by the tires' traction, and not the ability of the brakes to stop the wheels. That capacity is *far* greater.

THERE IS NO FREAKING WAY IN HELL that even the most frail grandmother would be unable to stop the car using the brakes, even with the engine at full throttle. Which tells me that these people are either doing what most investigations reveal, which is stomping the wrong pedal... or in the case of this guy, lying through their teeth.

Car & Driver has done actual testing. The result? Under no conditions were they not able to easily stop any of the cars they tested. In fact, the Toyota Camry, with its throttle wide open, had a *shorter* stopping distance than the Ford Taurus' *regular* stopping distance. (A nice demonstration of yet another way in which the the Ford Taurus, and the American competition in general, sucks.)

http://tinyurl.com/yckntxs

Keep all this in mind as you evaluate future TV reports. Quite frankly, this whole situation is really starting to stink. And goes to show that world is full of people who are stupid, liars, or both.

-Steve Bergman

[why?]

oh my, shaken up by going 90 mph, do these people have no life?

[Mouse]

He drives a Prius...What do you expect.

If he really "stood" on the brakes. I wanna see the tires. I'm pretty sure the tires have a different story to tell.

[Twistoffate0817]

The reason 50% of my threads made contain those words is simple: I have felt that my Yaris has been having problems since I purchased it. As I have read threads on this site I have discovered that some of my problems may not even be problems; it is just how the Yaris is.

For this thread, that is not the case. My pedal was stuck, I took it to the dealership, they could not fix it.

I do not know why people are posting on this thread bashing me. This forum is to gain information about the Yaris and that is exactly what I am doing.

[Tamago]

this thread makes me laugh

[Hershey]

shows how considerate and caring people are these days . I'll wait it out before I pass judgement . Know how it feels loosing brakes when traveling down a very steep hill . Enough to make you cr*p your pants . This happened in a '69 BEETLE and just got my license . So , not much experience .

[sbergman27]

For this thread, that is not the case. My pedal was stuck, I took it to the dealership, they could not fix it.
...
I do not know why people are posting on this thread bashing me.

Perhaps I'm not the only one who finds your claim to be lacking in detail, unconvincing, and quite frankly, your posting history to be suspicious?

In short, I don't believe you. That's not bashing, BTW. That's telling it like it is.

As I've posted elsewhere, to anyone who has looked at, and considered the evidence (or lack, thereof) this whole sudden acceleration frenzy stinks to high heavens. And I'm very interested in just who the man behind the curtain might be. The vanquished U.S. auto industry? The U.S. government? (Of course, those are one and the same these days, aren't they?) The usual, irresponsible, sensationalistic churn of the media, in their continuing quest to sell controversy if they can't sell real news? All of the above?

I've no special love for Toyota. But I recognize an obvious witch hunt when I see one. And will continue to counter disinformation when and where I see it.

-Steve Bergman

[chriswb]

Perhaps I'm not the only one who finds your claim to be lacking in detail, unconvincing, and quite frankly, your posting history to be suspicious?

In short, I don't believe you. That's not bashing, BTW. That's telling it like it is.

As I've posted elsewhere, to anyone who has looked at, and considered the evidence (or lack, thereof) this whole sudden acceleration frenzy stinks to high heavens. And I'm very interested in just who the man behind the curtain might be. The vanquished U.S. auto industry? The U.S. government? (Of course, those are one and the same these days, aren't they?) The usual, irresponsible, sensationalistic churn of the media, in their continuing quest to sell controversy if they can't sell real news? All of the above?

I've no special love for Toyota. But I recognize an obvious witch hunt when I see one. And will continue to counter disinformation when and where I see it.

-Steve BergmanSteve,

If I am understanding you correctly, and feel free to clarify if I have misinterpreted this post, you are accusing Twistoffate0817 of being an agent working for a malicious government entity whose goal is to promote the American auto companies. What would be the motivation for hiring an individual to join a small car forum in order to sabotage Toyota's reputation?

[Kal-El]

Just out of curiosity, I checked ToF's posting history.
A full 50% of the posts he started contain the words "Issue" or "Problem". Not pointing fingers (much), just pointing out.....

The reason 50% of my threads made contain those words is simple: I have felt that my Yaris has been having problems since I purchased it. As I have read threads on this site I have discovered that some of my problems may not even be problems; it is just how the Yaris is.

For this thread, that is not the case. My pedal was stuck, I took it to the dealership, they could not fix it.

I do not know why people are posting on this thread bashing me. This forum is to gain information about the Yaris and that is exactly what I am doing.

Twistoffate0817, what were you previous cars? I just can't understand how you could find all these "problems" or "issues" with the Yaris. I and just about everyone who owns the Yaris is in total love with it.It has one of the highest owner satisfaction ratings in the industry. It is documented to be the most trouble free car on the market. My last car was a Lexus, and I like the Yaris better.

Here's the titles of some of your threads (describing a perfect economy car):

Transmission issue?

Engine Issues

A/C & Car Issues

Rough Automatic Shifting

Steering Wheel Issue.

Problems?


You're free to share your issues, but as you noted, maybe they really aren't problems but maybe you're expecting the feel of a $100K Lexus LS in a Yaris.

This is the reason we have our doubts.

That said, please stick around. No hate is intended.

:smile:

[127.0.0.1]

prove it, we'll all shut up.


scan the paperwork from the dealer visit (black out your personal info) and post
it here or be forever in the Bulls**t category. nuff said

[sbergman27]

If I am understanding you correctly, and feel free to clarify if I have misinterpreted this post, you are accusing Twistoffate0817 of being an agent working for a malicious government entity whose goal is to promote the American auto companies. What would be the motivation for hiring an individual to join a small car forum in order to sabotage Toyota's reputation?
No. That would be unjustified paranoia. More likely he's just impressionable and harbors an overactive imagination. Read his earlier posts. From the very beginning, he just knew it, knew it, knew it, that the Yaris was going to be next. And then he just knew it, knew it, knew it, that *his* car was going to be one of the ones affected. Lo and behold... he now thinks that it did happen to his car. (Shock! Amazement!) A sort of "car owner's" version of hypochondria, one might say.

Parties interested in discrediting Japanese auto manufacturers are quite unlikely to care, specifically, about what goes on in the YarisWorld forums. I do, however, think that a confluence of factors, including action by vested interests in the US, the usual penchant of the mass media for inventing controversy to suit their own purposes, and the limited capacity for critical thinking of (too) many members of the public have resulted in the ridiculous farce which we are now witnessing.

[JumpmanYaris]

this thread makes me laugh

+1 :laugh:

[chriswb]

No. That would be unjustified paranoia. More likely he's just impressionable and harbors an overactive imagination. Read his earlier posts.Steve,

I suspect it's all in his mind as well. The Yaris easily coasts at 15mph once it is warmed up without the accelerator. That being said, I do think the Toyota recalls are real. The media is paying so much attention to it because Toyota has refused to come clean, admit to the problems, and offer solutions. It stinks of an attempt by Toyota to hide issues with their cars.

[sbergman27]

You are implying that credible evidence exists in support of these alleged problems. I have looked, and found none. Every purported incident of which I am aware has unexplainable holes and/or is suspicious in other ways.

I would be more inclined to take the view that the recalls are at least in part bogus. Now that the anti-Toyota propaganda bandwagon is rolling down the hill at the speed that it is, they *must* appear to be doing something, regardless of whether a real problem exists or not. This has become a major PR problem involving public perception regarding Toyota. Even the great expense of the recalls is nothing compared to what is at stake. Again... *regardless* of whether a real problem exists or not.

And the dearth of actual evidence which bears even cursory inspection is notable, to say the least.

[Kal-El]

So far, not one piece of evidence has been discovered regarding the cause of unintended acceleration.

I stand by the belief that every single case is driver error.

[yaris2010RS]

lmfao..... this is funny.....

none the less my brake got stuck almost all the way down the other day on my way to work. it was strange. i had to slam on the brake, ABS kicked in and they wouldn't let go.....


cause......


100%my own error!! dont get me wrong it freaked the crap out of me and the first words out my mouth after i puilled over and enjoyed the smell of toasted brakes was GOD DARN TOYOTA, THEY MESSED UP ALL OF THERE SHIT!! then, after about 2 mins of snooping around and wondering what to do i realized my cd case got in the way.... lol. dont put stuff in that little compartment under the steeringwheel...that plastic should never be poped off, lol.

moral, grow up and take accountability for not taking proper planning and precautions.....

toyota did

and anyone who has a toyota must too, and not jsut use the recalls as a copout, scape goat, w.e. you will


jsut my $0.02

[sbergman27]

...then, after about 2 mins of snooping around and wondering what to do i realized...
Are you saying that you actually got down and personally investigated possible causes of the perceived incident? How very lame of you. All the cool kids either do what ToF did and park their car, refusing to drive it until someone else looks at it (making several posts to forums in the mean time) or call Fox News with the harrowing story of their Date With Death.

Whatever in the world possessed you to deign to crawl around and solve the problem yourself? You didn't even get to be on TV.

[Kioshi]

This forum is to gain information about the Yaris and that is exactly what I am doing.

You are right, i totally agree..but the information we've gained from you is barely the meat of it...please go in depth or provide the Toyota Service Rep sheet w/ your information blocked out.

Proof is all we ask of you and the rest of the people who claim of the pedal getting stuck. No proof/pics,,,you're like the rest in the media~~

There is a vast majority on here, like myself who bought the Yaris in 2006-2007, and still own the car, and drive a ton of miles (proof shown), but have yet to report this problem....even before the whole toyota recall....ONLY YOU on here my friend~

It's like a new born rabbit popping his head out of the hole because everyone else is doing it....:thumbdown:

[SailDesign]

<major snippage>

That said, please stick around. No hate is intended.

:smile:

My thoughts exactly.

[Twistoffate0817]

The Yaris is my first car. I have read some threads on here that claim the yaris has a weird ness to it. So yes, my personal error is claiming my yaris had a problem when that is exactly the way the car is supposed to be acting. I came on this website because when i bought my car the dealership said they were given this website by another yaris customer because it provided information about the car. Yes most of my threads made have to do with "problems" but that is because as I explained this is my first car and I am worried about it all the time.

As a yaris world fan, I dont appreciate the hate towards me with this thread. I have been a fan every since I signed up and support anything and everything that has to do with the Yaris.

[tomato]

TwistofFate, relax, please. :smile:

[Twistoffate0817]

TwistofFate, relax, please. :smile:

Trying lol. :)

[tomato]

I hear you.

Hey, man sorry you're having all these problems. Maybe you're worrying too much, maybe you have a lemon?

Just see what the dealer says and let us know and maybe the peeps on the board can be more helpful if you give them more specific details to work with :iono:

[JumpmanYaris]

Its like they say show them proof and they will get off ur case.

[tomato]

You know, not to jack the thread or anything, but I've been getting all these phone calls from friends and family lately, inquiring about .... my car. My car!!! They don't call to say "hey [tomato], it's been a while, how is it going? " they say "hey, we' heard the news, how is your car?" sound really concerned as if my car or myself have just been diagnosed with a terminal disease of some sort. :iono:

I keep telling them my car is FINE, has NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER, and they don't believe me!!! They say "you better have it checked out!!!" Dude, I've been driving cars looooooooooooong out of their warranties all my life, so I guess the latest Toyota recall don't scare me, but what do I know anyway :iono: . What is it I'm supposed to have checked if the car runs like clockwork?

(I still stand by my earlier threads about the clutch being touchy but that's completely different, once you get the hang of it, you're fine.)

[sbergman27]

I have read some threads on here that claim the yaris has a weird ness to it.
You keep saying this. And yet as hard as I search, the only threads I find that claim that the Yaris has this weirdness... are authored by user Twistoffate.

Don't mistake this for hate. I don't hate you. I just think that are currently ignorant and need to learn enough not to feel so helpless all the time.

Start with something simple. Start changing your own oil. Start doing the simple DIY maintenance, and then go from there. Get to know your Yaris so that you aren't so afraid of it. And you *are* afraid of it. It's obvious.

Work toward building your own self-confidence regarding your car.

-Steve

[Kal-El]

There's nothing wrong with any Toyota (relating to unintended acceleration). Amazing that people believe this nonsense.

[CtrlAltDefeat]

ugh... ok. Let me just say that I know what It's like to be basically attacked for a thread I posted, and it is not fun. The trick is to not take it personally.

What you are posting about the Yaris is hard for us to understand. From what I can tell, you are the only one (of the people who have read and posted on this thread) who has had this problem. The real issue is trust. No one here really knows you, or can vouch for you. When we read something hard to believe (from our past experiences) it's easy to call you a liar or a fake. We have no reason to trust you. For all we know, you could be a Ford fanboy, or some Chevy employee who just likes to troll import forums, and cause FUD (Fear Unrest Doubt) for fun or profit. There will always be some doubt. I find it hard to believe the "unintended acceleration" problem is as wide spread as the media has made it out to be, and seeing as the Yaris is not listed on the recall list, it is really hard to believe your post. I do, however, believe that you believe it happened. So like I said, don't take it personally, keep us updated, and perhaps show us some proof, if you really want us to take you seriously. ok? :smile:

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

this thread makes me laugh

i FEEL the same way.. ESPECIALLY with the cell phone causes havoc situation....

[eht13]

So like I said, don't take it personally, keep us updated, and perhaps show us some proof, if you really want us to take you seriously. ok? :smile:

Well said.

i FEEL the same way.. ESPECIALLY with the cell phone causes havoc situation....

Yeah... what the hell was that cell phone thing? :laugh:

[tomato]

ugh... ok. Let me just say that I know what It's like to be basically attacked for a thread I posted, and it is not fun.

+1

The trick is to not take it personally.



+100 (easier said than done, I know :smile:)

:headbang:

[sbergman27]

Yeah... what the hell was that cell phone thing? :laugh:
Could it be that the current (and obvious) wave of dementia affecting certain Toyota drivers is actually due to cell phone induced brain cancer? It's worth considering, anyway. :-)

[BLAZINBLUEVITZ]

Yeah... what the hell was that cell phone thing? :laugh:

i hand out recall parts ALL DAY long and this person's complaint is nothing compared to what ive heard. BRAND NEW car owners wanting body parts because their car's accelerated into curbs or brick walls is a daily occurance. Funniest was a 1996 camry who's owner tried to say pedal stuck which caused him to take out someone's fence, front lawn and 2 cars that were parked.....

[CtrlAltDefeat]

The only reason I give cell phone interference the benefit of a doubt, is because of the way they can interfere with speakers. If they put out enough EM to cause that, then there could, remotely, be some sort of interference with circuits it was placed near. Maybe OP does have a lemon... Maybe someone was asleep at the soldering iron. Who knows. :iono:

[sbergman27]

Maybe someone was asleep at the soldering iron.

Do Robots Dream of Electric Sheep? ;-)

[CtrlAltDefeat]

Do Robots Dream of Electric Sheep? ;-)

lol ok, well maybe someone was asleep at the control panel :-P

[Hershey]

There's nothing wrong with any Toyota (relating to unintended acceleration). Amazing that people believe this nonsense. what makes you so sure ? An acquaintance had their pedal replaced in the '09 COROLLA . Is that not reality ? Or is it just a fantasy ?

[SailDesign]

what makes you so sure ? An acquaintance had their pedal replaced in the '09 COROLLA . Is that not reality ? Or is it just a fantasy ?

And lots of women with perfectly good, ummm, "chests" get then replaced and enhanced, too. They didn't NEED to - that's the point.

[41magmag41]

I think the wave of media attention has brought out those that want to make a quick buck and see an opportunity for it. What better wave than to jump on the accerleration band wagon or stuck throttle band wagon.

When you read two of the accounts in the media you find that the drivers were told to shift the car into neutral but refused because, " they thought they would roll the car if shifted into neutral" Again driver error. Besides who calls 911 when you are having trouble with your car "accerlerating out of control" when both hands should be on the wheel trying to control the alleged uncontrolled speed. Media hipe being used to scare the popoulation.

Just my two cents worth.

[_S7V7N_]

Next time i get a speeding ticket i'm going to Blame it on the Sticky Pedal :bs:

[127.0.0.1]

pics or it didn't happen.....pics of the dealer service dept. writeup that you brought
the car in for accel problems...

[Loren]

C'mon guys... I don't doubt that the OP perceived a problem and took their car in to the dealer. I also don't doubt that the dealer could not duplicate the problem and said "sorry, we couldn't duplicate the problem".

Can this thread die now?

[Tamago]

C'mon guys... I don't doubt that the OP perceived a problem and took their car in to the dealer. I also don't doubt that the dealer could not duplicate the problem and said "sorry, we couldn't duplicate the problem".

Can this thread die now?

not if you keep bumping it :laugh:

[Tamago]

oh crap, i just bumped it too..






















crap

[tomato]

not if you keep bumping it :laugh:

+1

hey, Tamago, how have you been, btw? speaking of freak accidents, how is your eye doing? Bet all you can see by now is a minuscule, small, diminutive, barely-existent scar.

you should update your old thread :)

[sbergman27]

oh crap, i just bumped it too..
It *is* possible for a thread to heal itself. Stranger things have happened. People do have to want it too, though.

-Steve

[127.0.0.1]

op needs scan and to post the dealer visit chit... then the thread will be all OK.


there is far too much mystery and media hype about all this Toyota problem and for once, I am calling someone out. either don't post your problem at all, or post real evidence that you had the problem evaluated by Toyota experts.

[sbergman27]

there is far too much mystery and media hype about all this Toyota problem and for once, I am calling someone out.
ToF is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. It's the James Sikes's of the world that need to be targeted for crucifixion. ToF seems mostly confused and underinformed. Sikes is actively malicious.

The FBI is currently looking into Mr. Sikes' "incident".

-Steve

[Aothachos]

Maybe ill play a prank one day on my girlfriend when she is in the car with me, ill put my yaris in cruise control take my feet off the pedals and just hold the cruise control lever up to make the car go fast and ill be like "uhh....baby.....somethings wrong...." and u can tell the rest lol she would freak out lmao

[sbergman27]

...ill put my yaris in cruise control take my feet off the pedals and...
That actually brings up an interesting point. Steve Wozniak, much loved, if lesser known, cofounder of Apple commented a while back upon a software glitch in his Prius. If he held the "accel" button down for a while the car would continue to accelerate long after he took his finger off the button. Sudden, uncontrolled acceleration? Well... yes and no. You see, he did not understand how the system was supposed to work. For every second that the "accel" button is pressed, the target speed is increased by 5 MPH. It says so, clearly, in the owners manual. So this was a case of user error. Right? Or was it a completely brain dead UI implemented by the Prius designers.

As much as I think that the current media frenzy *against* Toyota is a witch hunt, I will say that that aspect of Prius's cruise control UI is an epic fail which needs to be changed as quickly as possible. Nothing that happens with the target speed should allow that much latency.

-Steve

[tomato]

Interesting. ^

OK, we have a couple of requests to close the thread, including and especially from the OP.
So what do you say we move the party to the other threads ? :)

If you weren't finished debating this particular topic, don't worry, I'm sure it'll be back in some other thread in the near future. :iono:

thanks to all for your contributions, moving on...