Toyota hit with sixteen-million dollar fine...

[Goose]

Here's a link

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100405/ap_on_bi_ge/us_toyota_recall

[sbergman27]

I'd just like to see any credible evidence at all that there really is a problem at all. Maybe there is. But mainly, and keeping to the evidence, this sordid episode has only knocked my opinion of Prius owners down a notch and made me even more ashamed of my native country than I already was.

[talnlnky]

Salem, Massachusetts anyone?

[sbergman27]

Salem, Massachusetts anyone?

Time-honored American tradition, I guess. ;-)

-Steve

[talnlnky]

Time-honored American tradition, I guess. ;-)

-Steve

it's more than just the american tradition.... it's the ignorant tradition, and ignorance spans cultures, races, and generations.

[sbergman27]

it's more than just the american tradition.... it's the ignorant tradition, and ignorance spans cultures, races, and generations.
But we are the current king of that particular hill.

[Altitude]

Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and law suits hey!

[Black Yaris]

funny shit.... you know GM has some of the exact same problems as Toyota...... but we do not see GM catching any heat at all

[Stove]

funny shit.... you know GM has some of the exact same problems as Toyota...... but we do not see GM catching any heat at all

That's because GM is government owned...

[yaris2010RS]

lol, sometime i heard (haven't looked up truth of it yet) but apparently ford uses the exact same pedel in their awkward van thinggy (think its called the transporter or something) and they have yet to do anything......

[yaris2010RS]

its called the Ford Transit Connect and it won the North American TRuck of the year award

[ddongbap]

Health care, and cars for everyone!

[IsLNdbOi]

Haha. 16 million? That's pocket change for Toyota.

[SilverBack]

^Not at the rate that they're losing money from all recalls. This could be the next blow to their demise (hopefully not)

[IsLNdbOi]

Haha.

The upper limit estimate on their loss from the recalls so far is $US 5.5 billion:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/16/business/main6304471.shtml


Toyota makes billions each year (200 billion in 2009). That 16 million is a drop in the bucket for them.

[RedRide]

Fact: There is/was a world wide gas pedal problem, not just in the US.

Fact: GM has already been hit with over over a 1 million dollar fine invloving the same laws that were violated.

Fact: Toyota is in deep crap over the gas pedal issue in China also.

[sqcomp]

I can see Toyota getting some payback from the goverment if any of the other manufacturers receive anything that could be perceived as preferential treatment...

Some how I think we all know that Ford, Chrysler, and GM messing up soon is a very real possibility.

There is NO way I'm getting rid of my Yaris...besides, it was made in Japan. No out of control American parts here. Speaking of, is anything happening to the pedal manufacturer, or is Toyota taking this all on it's own?

[RedRide]

...........There is NO way I'm getting rid of my Yaris...besides, it was made in Japan. No out of control American parts here. Speaking of, is anything happening to the pedal manufacturer, or is Toyota taking this all on it's own?

When wiil this issue be put to rest? The faulty gas pedals were not failing because of where they were made. The pedals made in the US happened to be a different (faulty Toyota design) than those made in Japan or elsewhere and that is where the trouble lies. It had nothing to do with poor mufacturing or workmamship.

Also, be aware that even cars mas in Japan are full of international parts and there is nothing super human about Japaneese auto workers!

[MUSKOKA800]

When wiil this issue be put to rest? The faulty gas pedals were not failing because of where they were made. The pedals made in the US happened to be a different (faulty Toyota design) than those made in Japan or elsewhere and that is where the trouble lies. It had nothing to do with poor mufacturing or workmamship.

Also, be aware that even cars mas in Japan are full of international parts and there is nothing super human about Japaneese auto workers!

Actually the faulty pedal assemblies are manufactured here in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada by an independant parts contactor to Toyota specification. Yes, Toyota must take any heat.
Strange that our southern Ontario (and most all Canadian) road are literally filled with Corolla's and Camry's (Corolla and Matrix/Vibe are built near here at Ingersol, Ontario) and I've never heard any first hand reports of sticky pedals. Even reading the Toronto Star 'Wheels' section cover-to-cover weekly. :iono:
After it all came to light I did hear somewhere that there were only two cases in Canada. Cha-Ching!!!!
I'm inclined to agree, it's a witch-hunt.

[sbergman27]

The faulty gas pedals were not failing because of where they were made. The pedals made in the US happened to be a different (faulty Toyota design) than
It has not been established that any pedals *are* faulty except possibly for the floor mat entrapment issue. And I've yet to see a convincing demonstration that there is actually a real issue there. In the absence of any convincing evidence to the contrary, I continue to suspect that this entire episode has been based upon sheer, manufactured fantasy, with some self-serving hoaxing mixed in. In this case, it looks to me like where there's smoke... there's a smoke machine. And members of the US Congress are taking turns operating it.

It's just amazing how many people one can convince, without presenting any evidence at all, as long as the claims are extraordinary enough and are repeated often enough.[1] And it's scary to consider that the phenomenon is hardly limited to discrediting Japanese auto manufacturers.

-Steve

[1] I believe that President Truman termed this style of scenario "The Big Lie".

[1stToyota]

That's because GM is government owned...

...and wanting to punish Toyota for taking their #1 ranking away from them.

[talnlnky]

In this case, it looks to me like where there's smoke... there's a smoke machine. And members of the US Congress are taking turns operating it.

It's just amazing how many people one can convince, without presenting any evidence at all, as long as the claims are extraordinary enough and are repeated often enough. And it's scary to consider that the phenomenon is hardly limited to discrediting Japanese auto manufacturers.

-Steve

*caugh* McCarthy *caugh*

[RedRide]

It has not been established that any pedals *are* faulty except possibly for the floor mat entrapment issue. And I've yet to see a convincing demonstration that there is actually a real issue there. In the absence of any convincing evidence to the contrary, I continue to suspect that this entire episode has been based upon sheer, manufactured fantasy, with some self-serving hoaxing mixed in. In this case, it looks to me like where there's smoke... there's a smoke machine. And members of the US Congress are taking turns operating it.

It's just amazing how many people one can convince, without presenting any evidence at all, as long as the claims are extraordinary enough and are repeated often enough.[1] And it's scary to consider that the phenomenon is hardly limited to discrediting Japanese auto manufacturers.

-Steve

[1] I believe that President Truman termed this style of scenario "The Big Lie".

What amazes me is that even Toyota admitted that there are indeed certain pedals that have a flawed design and they were fazing them out but, some people refuse to believe it. :wink:

[sbergman27]

What amazes me is that even Toyota admitted that there are indeed certain pedals that have a flawed design and they were fazing them out but, some people refuse to believe it. :wink:

Link please? And also please describe, in your own words, the flaw you are referring to.

Vague talk of "flawed design" really won't do at this point. Is its shape suboptimal? Or does it detach itself, fly around the cabin, and eat your children?

-Steve

[yaris2010RS]

Or does it detach itself, fly around the cabin, and eat your children?
-Steve
ROTF :bow:

[RedRide]

Link please? And also please describe, in your own words, the flaw you are referring to.

Vague talk of "flawed design" really won't do at this point. Is its shape suboptimal? Or does it detach itself, fly around the cabin, and eat your children?

-Steve

OK......

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/why-toyota-must-replace-flawed-cts-gas-pedal-with-superior-denso-pedal/

Note that the page is dated feb 2010 and it is not exactly late and breaking news.:wink:

BTW, this is why Toyota may be hit with a 16 million dollar fine. Toyota knew about the problem long ago but, they contiued to use them (world wide) in clear voilation of US law.
(Anyone who actually read the link from the original post would already know this.) Other countries may follow suit. As I already stated, China is really pissed at Toyota over this.

[eTiMaGo]

Chine getting pissed over some defective product, like everything manufactured there is of perfect design and manufacture? must be nice to have poo that does not stink!

[SailDesign]

Chine getting pissed over some defective product, like everything manufactured there is of perfect design and manufacture? must be nice to have poo that does not stink!

:smile:

[RedRide]

Can we at least stay on topic instead resorting to nation bashing?