Gun debate

[AND189]

THIS PERSON HAS A GUN!! LOL

am i the only one who finds this weird....lol ha ha

zachryboles Location: Ft. Worth, Tx

[zachryboles]

lol true that im a texas boy and ive pulled my piece from my car. and GARM...... AMAZING DESIGN!!!! i might want to change to that design if you can make em in the silver of my vehicle i might buy a set seriously just like they are.

[yaris2010RS]

lol, i knbow it was in texas before i made the comment, but still, lol, looks a bit scary?!

[AND189]

aaahhh yeh mate sure lol yes i agree scary but expected

[47_MasoN_47]

Why are people with weapons scary? Shoot, I have a Glock G19 w/ spare mag, and Kel Tec P3AT on me 95% of the time. I OC the Glock all the time and don't ever get any flack for it.

[GrimlockGT]

I'm so glad I live in Canada where we don't feel the need to carry guns.

[47_MasoN_47]

There has never been a crime committed in Canada? That's news to me.

I don't trust people, and anywhere that there are people, I'm going to have a weapon. I had someone try to carjack me 2 weeks after I bought my Yaris, and making the perp stare down the barrel of a .45 saved my Yaris from getting jacked and having to go through all that mess with law enforcement.

Besides, target shooting is a lot of fun anyway. My fiance and I always have a lot of fun at the range shooting targets (or computers occasionally :D).

[MadMax]

Only criminals are allowed to have guns in Canada! :evil:

[cali yaris]

There has never been a crime committed in Canada? That's news to me.

No but the violent crime rate is a lot lower. And I'm willing to bet you know that, so your sarcastic comment pretty much ends the conversation, doesn't it?

Anyways... Eleanor Edition, yeah....

[47_MasoN_47]

Regardless of the violent crime rate, there is still violent crime. Until we reach a point where there is no crime (which would basically equate to there being no people remaining on the planet) there will be a need to defend oneself against malicious individuals.

If you choose to carry a weapon of any sort to defend yourself, or if you choose not to, that's none of my business, but personally I'm not going to become a victim of some jerkoff criminal. I feel somewhat insulted by being referred to as "scary" for simply defending myself and my fiance from harm. The justice system in this country is so broken that crime will continue to increase simply because our government doesn't care.

[zachryboles]

guys stfu take it to another thread.... back to mine... GARM im deadly serious about wanting those side panels we need to discuss this further...

[yaris2010RS]

lol, okay, this started because of a picture posted and someone had a gun holstered.

are guns scary?

lol, and we will go from there :)

[yaris2010RS]

Regardless of the violent crime rate, there is still violent crime. Until we reach a point where there is no crime (which would basically equate to there being no people remaining on the planet) there will be a need to defend oneself against malicious individuals.

If you choose to carry a weapon of any sort to defend yourself, or if you choose not to, that's none of my business, but personally I'm not going to become a victim of some jerkoff criminal. I feel somewhat insulted by being referred to as "scary" for simply defending myself and my fiance from harm. The justice system in this country is so broken that crime will continue to increase simply because our government doesn't care.

Anyway, my apologies to the OP for hijacking your thread.

i agree with u on some issues, but disagree on others.
if u kill someone here (even though it was on ure property or self defence) u still go to jail, u are still a criminal (in this country)

i'm sorry but if someone tries to hijack ure car and u shoot them cuz they are a criminal, think and shoot ureself.....u've done the same and made ureself a criminal. an eye for an eye and eveyone is blind.

and gun are not scary, the picture caught me off guard (sketchy blacked out benz and guy outside it with a gun) lol

[Stove]

Short answer, No.

[SailDesign]

Guns aren't scary - people who feel the need to carry them (outside of law enforcement) are the ones who scare me.
It's nothing personal, but that's how I feel. I have a target rifle, a squirrel rifle, and a 20ga shotgun upstairs in the locker - but I don't feel the need to carry them around town. If I did, I would simply move somewhere that didn't scare me so much.

[MadMax]

It's the United States, we have a Constitutional Amendment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution ) that protects our right to bear arms…

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

While the American Bar Associations states “there is more disagreement and less understanding about this right than of any other current issue regarding the Constitution,” to most it is pretty straightforward… “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Period.

Some states try to impede on that right, but most don’t; and the trend in the US has been towards reducing restrictions on gun ownership ( http://www.gallup.com/poll/123596/in-u.s.-record-low-support-stricter-gun-laws.aspx ). Per Gallup reporting, “Americans as a whole may just be more accepting of gun rights now than in the past. Compared with views in 2000, each major demographic or attitudinal subgroup has shown a shift toward a more pro-gun stance on the question about whether gun laws should be more strict or less strict.”

It is ridiculous to be scared of a law-abiding citizen in possession of a firearm. This country was founded and has been and contiues to be defended by those very same individuals, both home and abroad. http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/images/smilies/patriot.gif

Oddly enough though, Texas is not one of the least-restrictive states concerning gun laws. There are many regulations concerning where firearms may be carried, and one of the few states that has no provisions for open carry in public…

http://opencarry.org/images/opencarrymap.png

Still, it is a very pro-gun state and that's why I love it here so much! http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/images/smilies/texas.gif

Cheers! M2

[Slick]

Guns don't kill people... nuh uh. I kill pe-ople, with guns POW!!!

Lolz I love that song

[darthbauer]

Guns are no more dangerous than any other tool. If your a LEO then it's just a tool of your trade.


But, if you should feel the need to carry ANY weapon (handgun, knife, etc...) and your only intent to use it is to defend yourself then you should be able to.

I live in Orange County, CA and here it is damn near impossible to get a concealed weapons permit and open carry of a loaded weapon is illegal. If you ask me, that is infringing on my 2nd Amendment rights.

And don't get me started on other CA gun laws.

[swidd]

Hey good news, The Yaris can easily fit a 40" total length rifle in the cargo area (hidden). You can also nicely fit boxes of ammo in the passenger side upper glove box. And under the spare wheel cover, there's room for more ammo, and you can put a hand gun in a box inside the spare wheel, and hide it nicely for interstate transportation.
And I especially love how there's no holes and cracks etc, where used ammo can easily disappear into, or begin to rattle. The interior is like its made for drive by shooting.

[47_MasoN_47]

I use my Yaris on a regular basis to carry my weapons around. M4/AR, Kalashnikov variants, and other carbine length rifles and/or shotguns fit nicely in the Yaris. The only thing I have a problem transporting are my Mosin Nagants. I generally have to take the bolt out and lay them across the back seat because they are too long to fit in the trunk.

I love the compartment to the left of the steering wheel. My Kel-Tec P3AT, P32, and a spare mag for each fit perfectly in that little compartment!

[Emerge]

Where do you people live that you need to have a gun to defend yourself? I infer from your statements that you feel that you would be completely defenseless without a gun?

[darthbauer]

Where do you people live that you need to have a gun to defend yourself? I infer from your statements that you feel that you would be completely defenseless without a gun?


I live in SoCal, and thanks to the laws here I do not carry.

Having been someone that has had a knife and a gun pulled on me I would love to be able to carry all the time. The people that think shit like that only happens in the movies and on TV need to wake up and see what's going on around them. There is major gang/Mexican mafia crap going down in Riverside and the police think it's going to start spilling over into Orange County soon.

Not to sound like a downer but this whole country is going to hell, are you prepared?

[SailDesign]

I live in SoCal, and thanks to the laws here I do not carry.

Having been someone that has had a knife and a gun pulled on me I would love to be able to carry all the time. The people that think shit like that only happens in the movies and on TV need to wake up and see what's going on around them. There is major gang/Mexican mafia crap going down in Riverside and the police think it's going to start spilling over into Orange County soon.

Not to sound like a downer but this whole country is going to hell, are you prepared?

Dood - move to RI. Except in the city (Providence) there is very little of that crap going on. "Pleasantville" is what my kids' friends called this place.

[Emerge]

There's more to it than just "mexican mafia crap" but yeah there are hot spots. Do you live in the area in which you were assaulted, or were you passing by?

[YarisPR]

Here in Puerto Rico (where the criminality rate is WAY higher than most states) only a few people have legal arms and fewer carry them around because: There's a LOT of paper work / investigating / $$$ / training to own a gun. And to carry one is another longer story.

So many people have chosen to own illegal arms, cause they are cheap and u can get a vast variety. The result there's a LOT of people carrying illegal guns around and a simple "what u looking at" receives a bullet and end of story.

Me: I want a legal gun just for target practice.

[tomato]

Guns aren't scary - people who feel the need to carry them (outside of law enforcement) are the ones who scare me.
It's nothing personal, but that's how I feel.

+1

I live in an urban area, and some areas I go through, especially when I work late, are probably not safe. I don't know that being armed would solve the problem or make it worse, though.

[darthbauer]

There's more to it than just "mexican mafia crap" but yeah there are hot spots. Do you live in the area in which you were assaulted, or were you passing by?

It happened where I live and in the middle of the day in the parking lot of a place I have been shopping since I was a little kid.

[Emerge]

Perhaps you should consider relocating. I just don't see the point in owning a gun. When the ultimate conclusion of a showdown is either:

1. You kill the guy and you go to jail
2. He kills you

I understand that it can deter a lot of criminals, but if you live in an area where this happens regularly you will eventually run in to the wrong guy who will hurt you.

Anyway, so this guy just randomly chose you from a shopping crowd to pull both his gun and knife on for no reason?

[127.0.0.1]

in Texas you can sit in your yard or house and blast anyone who
comes at you in a threatening manner. the way it should be.

[darthbauer]

Perhaps you should consider relocating. I just don't see the point in owning a gun. When the ultimate conclusion of a showdown is either:

1. You kill the guy and you go to jail
2. He kills you

I understand that it can deter a lot of criminals, but if you live in an area where this happens regularly you will eventually run in to the wrong guy who will hurt you.

Anyway, so this guy just randomly chose you from a shopping crowd to pull both his gun and knife on for no reason?

It was in the parking lot and there was no one else out there. First he pulled a knife and I quickly grabbed his hand that was holding it. Then with his free hand he went for the gun. At that point I said fuck it and gave the asshole my $40 from my pocket.

Also, I have pulled a gun on someone with the intention of shooting it and afterward I asked the cops if I would have gone to jail and they said hell no I would not have.

[47_MasoN_47]

in Texas you can sit in your yard or house and blast anyone who
comes at you in a threatening manner. the way it should be.

Same here. Castle Doctrine FTW. You invade my personal property without my consent and you get a bullet (or 3) to the brain. It's perfectly legal to defend yourself or loved ones against attackers (in the vast majority of the US) by using lethal force. I know a few people who have killed in self defense and while they generally don't feel great about taking someone's life, they all say that they'd feel even worse if inaction on their part meant the loss of a loved one's life.

I live in "the Bible belt" and have had 2 attempted robberies against me. Both times I was armed and the fact that I had a weapon prevented the crime from happening. The criminals I confronted with were not prepared to risk their lives for my possessions, and I believe that's the way that most of them would be. Why bother with someone who will put up a fight when you can find someone who won't fight later?

[Damo]

If you think its difficult carrying weapons around where you live, none of you have a clue until you live in Australia!

[Gideon]

Also, I have pulled a gun on someone with the intention of shooting it and afterward I asked the cops if I would have gone to jail and they said hell no I would not have.

That still does not protect you from civil suits, which don't care if you were within your legal rights :rolleyes:

My opinion is that everyone should be able to own a gun following proper training classes, even at a young age so children learn to respect firearms and understand the reponsibility that caring for a gun requires. Gun safety starts with the owner and no one else.

That said, time to rant. lol

Can you believe that I'm not allowed to buy rubber rounds for my home defense shotgun due to county restrictions/ban on non-lethal rounds. :rolleyes:

Hope they don't mind if/when I fill some baddy with birdshot. :laugh:

[nemelek]

I was able to apply and get a concealed weapon permit for the state that I live in. I only carry weapons when we go camping for target practice.

[Altitude]

I only carry weapons when we go camping for target practice.

...against other campers. :wink: :biggrin:

[Emerge]

It was in the parking lot and there was no one else out there. First he pulled a knife and I quickly grabbed his hand that was holding it. Then with his free hand he went for the gun. At that point I said fuck it and gave the asshole my $40 from my pocket.

Also, I have pulled a gun on someone with the intention of shooting it and afterward I asked the cops if I would have gone to jail and they said hell no I would not have.

To each his own I suppose. I wonder why he brought out a knife first if he had a gun with him as well. Makes more sense to pull out the more intimidating weapon if you are trying to intimidate someone into stealing their money.

[Emerge]

That still does not protect you from civil suits, which don't care if you were within your legal rights :rolleyes:

My opinion is that everyone should be able to own a gun following proper training classes, even at a young age so children learn to respect firearms and understand the reponsibility that caring for a gun requires. Gun safety starts with the owner and no one else.

That said, time to rant. lol

Can you believe that I'm not allowed to buy rubber rounds for my home defense shotgun due to county restrictions/ban on non-lethal rounds. :rolleyes:

Hope they don't mind if/when I fill some baddy with birdshot. :laugh:

Good post. I forgot about non lethal defensive weapons.

[yaris2010RS]

seriously i have had knives and guns drawn on me. it doesn't make me think i should have shot them. its life. and u jsut kinda have to hope the "bad ppl" go aaway.

[yaris-me]

I use to ride my bike in Orange County. One day I was chased by two teenage boys on 20" bicycles. I out ran them easily. I started to carry a knife. Then one day in a Mexican neighborhood a gang of adults started yelling at me and making threatening gestures, but I rode away calmly. Then I decided to carry a bayonet in my Yaris. On many occasions I have been threatened with road rage. Just glance at someone on the freeway the wrong way and you the bird. I thought about buying a gun.

So how do you carry a gun in a HB Yaris legally in California?

[yarisitis]

Here's something to make this thread funnier than it already is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jqLie6-Y0


Get'r dun.

[zachryboles]

i wish that was my neighbor..... fortunately for my neighbors i am that guy.... ive already scared off two people from trying to steal my neighbors whip.... and he in turn watches out for mine now... found out he packs as much heat as i do too lol

[yaris2010RS]

lol, here is another video i found a while back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkpwwoauuiQ

having guns is one more weakness and allows not only for u but others to get to them......

[zachryboles]

lol, here is another video i found a while back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkpwwoauuiQ

having guns is one more weakness and allows not only for u but others to get to them......:thumbdown:

lol.... unless the guys is looking HARD hes not finding my straps. ive never even had a homeboy run into one.

[yarrr]

zachry you gangsta mac fry home skillet. I won't be trippin up in your hood, yo.

One question. Say you pop a cap in some gang banger while he's boosting your g-ride whipilicious flymobile. Don't you think one of the homie's homies is gonna get some vengeance up in this bitch? That would be very un-church, imo.

[MadMax]

That still does not protect you from civil suits, which don't care if you were within your legal rights :rolleyes:

Since you live in California, I don't expect you to be familiar with Castle Doctrine; but in the great state of Texas if you are cleared in a shooting by a grand jury (and I cannot think of one instance where a law abiding citizen protecting themselves, their family or their property wasn't cleared), you cannot be the subject of a civil suit. That is the law here, and it works...

And Emerge, if you think you're safe in Sacramento, you are mistaken. According to the SPD's year-to-date stats, homicides are up 250% over last year, and aggravated assaults are up 7.7%!

No place is safe from crime, even Rhode Island! It may be safer than some other locations; but it still exists.

It's better to have and not need, than need and not have! :headbang:

[Gideon]

^ I'm aware, thanks.

However, you may want to notice that my reply was to dauthbauer who lives in California, the land of Wal-Mart parking lot propositions. :laugh:

Yeah, I was going to say something about Sacramento since I live on the outskirts. It is one of the 20 worst cities in the United States for crime and drugs. (Which is why I have my Remington loaded in the closet. :smile:)

Edit: I should mention for the sake of fairness that a lot of homcides in Sacramento are attributed to gang/drug violence. Obviously innocent people get involved (I had a coworker killed a few years ago at a New Year's Party for trying to look like a big man in front of some gangbangers) but for the most part a majority are gangbangers that get killed by other gangbangers.

[Emerge]

And Emerge, if you think you're safe in Sacramento, you are mistaken. According to the SPD's year-to-date stats, homicides are up 250% over last year, and aggravated assaults are up 7.7%!

No place is safe from crime, even Rhode Island! It may be safer than some other locations; but it still exists.

It's better to have and not need, than need and not have! :headbang:

You quote where I posted that I was safe in Sacramento, and I'll retract that statement. I think you have misunderstood what I have been trying to communicate.

Oh, and I still don't feel the need to buy a gun for "protection."

[why?]

the country would be a much safer place if everyone was required trained on weapons in schools. Heck, it would prolly even stop those pesky school shootings if everyone in school had a little handgun for their gun class, right?

Whether or not you are going to get attacked/accosted is not up to you, so why not be prepared?

And fyi, i don't carry and I do not own a gun. However at 6'2" i'm not anyone's idea of an easy target.

[SailDesign]

No place is safe from crime, even Rhode Island! It may be safer than some other locations; but it still exists.:

I agree, in fact, I said it first, about 15 or 20 posts back:

"Except in the city (Providence) there is very little of that crap going on. "

[Emerge]

Simply put, I feel there are other safer ways of protecting yourself. I feel that guns are unnecessary, but I would not support any initiative to take away arms from citizens until the government takes some real action to get illegal guns off the streets. There needs to be a war on terrorism here in our home.

[Kal-El]

Simply put, I feel there are other safer ways of protecting yourself. I feel that guns are unnecessary, but I would not support any initiative to take away arms from citizens until the government takes some real action to get illegal guns off the streets. There needs to be a war on terrorism here in our home.

What other safer way is there if the criminal you are facing has a gun?

Chances are, the criminal walks away leaving you dead.

And government, or anyone else, will never be effective at taking illegal guns off the streets. That's why they're illegal and criminal! Remember, gun laws/restrictions only affect the innocent. Criminals will always have their guns.
Hence why they are criminals.

[ddongbap]

http://i.peperonity.com/c/612597/935621/ssc3/home/016/mangill/_u4v7100.jpg_320_320_0_9223372036854775000_0_1_0.j pg

These are very similar to my guns. Just a lot less black.

[Black Yaris]

Well here in Toledo, there are armed home invasions... many armed robberies, guys running around raping and killing women. For that reason I always carry my .45 and usually my .38 as a back up. There are 2 shotguns one in the bedroom and one in the familyroom, the two rooms we are in the most. My 5'4" 100lbs wife can handle any of the weapons fine, so I know my wife will be to defend herself. With all the crap going on here, I open carry my .45 most of the time. We are also moving to Arizona, an even more gun friendly state :)

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

That still does not protect you from civil suits, which don't care if you were within your legal rights :rolleyes:

My opinion is that everyone should be able to own a gun following proper training classes, even at a young age so children learn to respect firearms and understand the reponsibility that caring for a gun requires. Gun safety starts with the owner and no one else.

That said, time to rant. lol

Can you believe that I'm not allowed to buy rubber rounds for my home defense shotgun due to county restrictions/ban on non-lethal rounds. :rolleyes:

Hope they don't mind if/when I fill some baddy with birdshot. :laugh:

They don't allow non-lethal rounds in Placer County?? That's lame.

Just use slugs.

I use to ride my bike in Orange County. One day I was chased by two teenage boys on 20" bicycles. I out ran them easily. I started to carry a knife. Then one day in a Mexican neighborhood a gang of adults started yelling at me and making threatening gestures, but I rode away calmly. Then I decided to carry a bayonet in my Yaris. On many occasions I have been threatened with road rage. Just glance at someone on the freeway the wrong way and you the bird. I thought about buying a gun.

So how do you carry a gun in a HB Yaris legally in California?

I was robbed by two gangster kids near my old high school as I was walking back to my car with my transcripts. They threatened to shoot me.. for my freaking phone.. lol.. After that incident I have always carried two, legal length tanto blade folders on me.

As for carrying a handgun in your car -- as long as it's unloaded and in a locked case (preferably placed in the trunk of your vehicle) which is separate from the ammunition, you should be fine. I wouldn't just carry any kind of firearm in my car though.. it's best that you take it with you when you plan to have it serviced, or taking it to the range. At least, that's what I'd do. Otherwise, you're going to have to come up with some kind of excuse explaining to an officer why you are carrying it in your car (If he has reason to search and finds it there.)

For long arm firearms (rifles & shotguns) I'll be calling LASC tomorrow because I'll be hitting up their target range for some practice.


http://i.peperonity.com/c/612597/935621/ssc3/home/016/mangill/_u4v7100.jpg_320_320_0_9223372036854775000_0_1_0.j pg

These are very similar to my guns. Just a lot less black.

ROFL

[yarisitis]

zachry you gangsta mac fry home skillet. I won't be trippin up in your hood, yo.

One question. Say you pop a cap in some gang banger while he's boosting your g-ride whipilicious flymobile. Don't you think one of the homie's homies is gonna get some vengeance up in this bitch? That would be very un-church, imo.
Best post ever :laugh: .





For those of you that have 20 guns per every square foot of your home, I hope you guys aren't this retarded:

Toddler accidentally kills herself after mistaking a real gun that daddy left on the table for a Wii gun. (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/toddler-dies-mistaking-gun-wii-controller/story?id=10056190)

Get'r dun.

[Emerge]

What other safer way is there if the criminal you are facing has a gun?

Chances are, the criminal walks away leaving you dead.

And government, or anyone else, will never be effective at taking illegal guns off the streets. That's why they're illegal and criminal! Remember, gun laws/restrictions only affect the innocent. Criminals will always have their guns.
Hence why they are criminals.

I sincerely don't believe their goal is to harm you 99% of the time. Like I said, I feel that they are just trying to intimidate you to allow them to get what they want from you.

If a government puts their minds and resources to it, things would be a lot better. My .02

Best post ever :laugh: .





For those of you that have 20 guns per every square foot of your home, I hope you guys aren't this retarded:

Toddler accidentally kills herself after mistaking a real gun that daddy left on the table for a Wii gun. (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/toddler-dies-mistaking-gun-wii-controller/story?id=10056190)

Get'r dun.

=/ Not cool.

[47_MasoN_47]

I sincerely don't believe their goal is to harm you 99% of the time. Like I said, I feel that they are just trying to intimidate you to allow them to get what they want from you.

If a government puts their minds and resources to it, things would be a lot better. My .02

Sorry, I just had to LOL at the thought of government actually using their minds to think about something instead of their pocketbooks.

While I'd bet that it's true that most criminals don't actually want to hurt you, there are still plenty that do (rapists, etc.) so I'd personally rather just kill them all. You want my Blackberry? I'm sorry, you can't have that, but you CAN have this 147grn +P+ Federal Hydroshock 9mm JHP. Or at my house, I have a Mossberg 500 Cruiser loaded with 6 rounds of 3" high velocity 00 buckshot along with my vast array of other weaponry, but the shotgun would be my first choice for practicality.

IMO, if you want a REAL way to deter crime, make the death penalty the de facto punishment for felonies. It'd be cheaper on the tax payers, not having to pay for those dirt bags to be in jail, and it'd be a lot more for someone to think about if they were going to turn to a life of crime. I'd like to see them executed with shotguns on the lawn of the courthouse. The gorier the better. Make people REALLY fear being caught by the law, instead of this stupid slap on the wrist bullcrap we have now.

[MadMax]

Well here in Toledo, there are armed home invasions... many armed robberies, guys running around raping and killing women. For that reason I always carry my .45 and usually my .38 as a back up. There are 2 shotguns one in the bedroom and one in the familyroom, the two rooms we are in the most. My 5'4" 100lbs wife can handle any of the weapons fine, so I know my wife will be to defend herself. With all the crap going on here, I open carry my .45 most of the time. We are also moving to Arizona, an even more gun friendly state :)

Wow, I'd feel right at home in a place like that! God bless ya! :thumbsup:

I don't carry a weapon/weapons (yeah, I often have a BUG as well!) with the intent of shooting somebody, I carry it to prevent being shot! I pray that I never have to use lethal force against someone; but if they threaten me, my family or my property, I sure as hell will have the ability do defend all of the above. The bad guys may not have any intent on harming any of us, but how do you know that? I'd rather not hope that the odds being in my favor, I'd rather ensure they are!

Plus, other people may depend on the police to protect themselves; but remember that when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away!

Oh, and 47_MasoN_47, I've also got a pistol-gripped Mossy (a Persuader) loaded with 3" Magnum 00-buckshot rounds. It is the HD weapon of choice! :w00t:

And what I love about Texas is that if anyone is killed or injured during a crime, everyone committing the crime is held accountable. That means if a couple of idiots try and break into my house, and I shoot and kill one of them, the "surviving" idiots will be charged with his death, not me! As we say in these parts, Don't Mess With Texas! :headbang:

"An armed society is a polite society!" - Robert A. Heinlein

Amen!

Cheers! M2

p.s Everyone reading this thread should also read On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs (http://www.gleamingedge.com/mirrors/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html) by Dave Grossman. I met then-LTC Grossman several years ago at a seminar when I was still in the military, the man knows his stuff! :thumbsup:

[Gideon]

IMO, if you want a REAL way to deter crime, make the death penalty the de facto punishment for felonies. It'd be cheaper on the tax payers, not having to pay for those dirt bags to be in jail, and it'd be a lot more for someone to think about if they were going to turn to a life of crime. I'd like to see them executed with shotguns on the lawn of the courthouse. The gorier the better. Make people REALLY fear being caught by the law, instead of this stupid slap on the wrist bullcrap we have now.

Yeah, fear the police and goverment, that's an awesome idea. :rolleyes:

Given the possiblity of error in courts of law, that is the stupidest idea ever. How many appeals will someone be given? None? So we possibly sacrifice innocent citizens in an attempt to deter the criminals and trash of this country to act like civilized people? :eek:

Sounds like Singapore would be an awesome vacation spot for you! lol. (Or Iran. :biggrin: )

Of course, we can thank the 8th Amendment for not allowing such idiotic ideas come into fruition (which btw came from the same document that allows you to own a firearm. :wink: )

[yaris2010RS]

wow..... lol, i really find it amazing, being brought up in a place that doesn't allow guns my views are completly different. dont get me wrong, my views are alot more pussy then yours, lol, but really, logically i see it as u saying shoot first, ask questions later?....thats not right, when someone rings ure doorbell and u shoot and kill them.....when the officer comes what do u say? he was GONNA attack u? wtf.....

dont get me wrong, here in canada (if i understand our own laws correctly) we cannot defend ourselves untill we have been hurt..... we cannot throw a punch untill we have been hit..... and if u use any wepon and seriously hurt them or kill them, u are now a criminal......

i agree the death penalty should be reinstated, but not death by vigilante. let the cops get the criminals, let the innocent live their lives and not worry about it.

another thing i find is lets jsut say out of the entire population(we will say of texas, just for arguement sake) of texas, 95%has a gun, out of that 95% of gun owners, 90% of them are regestered. do the cops ask each and every person who has a gun to see the papers?
or if u have a store with 30people in it, 25 of them have guns, ones of those people are gonna try to robb it.... who's it gonna be? here u can tell who its gonna be, because only that person will have a gun.

[AND189]

Hmm what a smartass comment can do .... Everyone has the right to carry a gun in the USA not saying that are all because they are not but frig WTF filling your care full of distructive tools to protect your self unlucky, spewing there are places on the world that require that kind of "crazy shit"

[Emerge]

Sorry, I just had to LOL at the thought of government actually using their minds to think about something instead of their pocketbooks.

While I'd bet that it's true that most criminals don't actually want to hurt you, there are still plenty that do (rapists, etc.) so I'd personally rather just kill them all. You want my Blackberry? I'm sorry, you can't have that, but you CAN have this 147grn +P+ Federal Hydroshock 9mm JHP. Or at my house, I have a Mossberg 500 Cruiser loaded with 6 rounds of 3" high velocity 00 buckshot along with my vast array of other weaponry, but the shotgun would be my first choice for practicality.

IMO, if you want a REAL way to deter crime, make the death penalty the de facto punishment for felonies. It'd be cheaper on the tax payers, not having to pay for those dirt bags to be in jail, and it'd be a lot more for someone to think about if they were going to turn to a life of crime. I'd like to see them executed with shotguns on the lawn of the courthouse. The gorier the better. Make people REALLY fear being caught by the law, instead of this stupid slap on the wrist bullcrap we have now.

I know I'm just being a dreamer on the whole government piece, but, you have to admit, it would be cool to see the government do something selfless for a change.

I can't agree with killing someone over a cell phone. I just can't. I think that is too impulsive, and I wouldn't want to go to jail or prison for a phone.

However, I do agree with the death penalty. Just get rid of them bastards. Better yet, put them all on an uninhibited island with no aid or resources and make a reality show of their lives. With all the non sense they'd be up to, it would make millions!

[Emerge]

I pray that I never have to use lethal force against someone; but if they threaten me, my family or my property, I sure as hell will have the ability do defend all of the above. The bad guys may not have any intent on harming any of us, but how do you know that? I'd rather not hope that the odds being in my favor, I'd rather ensure they are!


I can certainly appreciate this train of thought even if I don't personally adopt it.

Yeah, fear the police and goverment, that's an awesome idea. :rolleyes:

Given the possiblity of error in courts of law, that is the stupidest idea ever. How many appeals will someone be given? None? So we possibly sacrifice innocent citizens in an attempt to deter the criminals and trash of this country to act like civilized people? :eek:

I think he was talking about people who are actually guilty as opposed to people who have been convicted. In my mind, if there was a stiffer punishment it would only make sense to make the burden of proof to be more substantial as well.