To The MOD'S and every one

[1NZYaris1]

To who ever just removed my forsale threads thankyou
you can now close my account also , as i will no longer be
here to help anyone , all the products i have for sale in those
threads are at Micro Image and all sales where going through Micro Image . , PM Garm if you like .
Good day and good luck .:barf:

[YAR1S]

>:( wtf? dont leave! :(

[Altitude]

Don't leave over this. Maybe check with the mods to see if dealing with your sales through PM would be better than posting direct links to MI (which I'm only assuming you did as I never saw the for sale post.)

[tk-421]

@Ray: I hope you don't leave YW over this. :frown:

The threads were not removed, they are just invisible for now.

We're trying to set up some guidelines to see if we can allow personal non-profit sales, but for now we need to disallow all non-vendors until we can figure something out.

Sorry about that buddy.

[tomato]

What's going on?

Oh, OK. those threads. Yeah, just like TK said.

We had some "sale" thread reported earlier today and usually when people report stuff (non-registered vendor sale or whatever) we make the thread or the post invisible right away until the other mods are around and we can come up with a plan together.

So hang in there!

[Revsson]

Maybe the electrons take longer to reach New Zealand?

Please don't leave!

[YAR1S]

since when were we not allowed to sell personal items to other members? unless you mean non-car related items? :(

[tk-421]

Personal items are fine. Selling more than one is also fine, as long as you're willing to contribute a portion of the profit to the site.

Otherwise there wouldn't really be a point in becoming an official vendor.

[1NZYaris1]

Personal items are fine. Selling more than one is also fine, as long as you're willing to contribute a portion of the profit to the site.

Otherwise there wouldn't really be a point in becoming an official vendor.

Okay so why are the Yaris gauge and the mesh vent threads still up and running oh and the Eyelid thread and those are just for starters,
you want to close and delete threads play fair .:thumbdown:
Or is it becuase 1 or 2 Mods might have an interest in those items .

[1NZYaris1]

What's going on?

Oh, OK. those threads. Yeah, just like TK said.

We had some "sale" thread reported earlier today and usually when people report stuff (non-registered vendor sale or whatever) we make the thread or the post invisible right away until the other mods are around and we can come up with a plan together.

So hang in there!

Reported today as what a spammer , so if my thread was reported for what ever reason , where is was the curitous approach from mods to ask me about it , i would also like to know who reported my threads .
then next time they ask for help they too can go jump .

[1NZYaris1]

Personal items are fine. Selling more than one is also fine, as long as you're willing to contribute a portion of the profit to the site.

Otherwise there wouldn't really be a point in becoming an official vendor.


they are in my possesion so they are personal NO .
and the only reason i put them up here for sale was i thought some people might like a bargin considering 2 sets i was selling for less than what i paid
and the 3 new sets where samples sent to me to do and develop , test
and produce instructions for direct plug and play options :bs:

[cali yaris]

This is a good discussion now that it has started, interesting to me as the only member paying to be here and sell stuff.

I also know that the Mods are not in charge of vendor pricing or even the making the rules, ultimately. You should be.

I think the policy has been very clear.
Personal items, ok.
Used items, ok.
Non-profit, ok.
Make money on a new product, become a vendor.
Specific Group Buys on new products to get a discount for members, ok.
Where is the confusion in the existing policy?

Selling more than one is also fine, as long as you're willing to contribute a portion of the profit to the site.

I've never, ever read that on this site before. Can you point to a post or a published forum guideline about this policy?

Okay so why are the Yaris gauge and the mesh vent threads still up and running oh and the Eyelid thread and those are just for starters,

I have to say he has a really good point. What is the answer?

The worst offenders (IMO) are the ones who are either new members or members who simply don't help out around here, but openly sell stuff (especially when there is a link to a page off this site).

The LEAST of our worries, as a community, are people like Ray who are extremely helpful and add rich content to the site. Remember, the site AND the content is owned by someone who benefits from the content every member adds.

[Kioshi]

I am on Ray's side because through him, members in my area and on the forums have been expanded to greater heights. Gideon has bought RARE stuff from him and so have many other members on here and MicroImage.
I also agree why tk can have his eyelids thread and whatnot, but Ray cannot~ Makes absolute zero sense to me...

If this continues, I'm pretty much going solid on MicroImage forums as well....and the rest of the people who I have bought rare priced items from, will be given word to follow a better car community place than this.

I occasionally buy things from members here and if members can no longer sell personal stuff car related or not, I might as well be gone from here too~

Adding to Garm's comment "the worst offenders"...(and i don't like to bag or point fingers out to certain people, but this thread has made it seem like its my turn to do so) people like 1slowyaris...I dont know why the date of his post says yesterday..but that FS thread has been there for A WHILE~ he deleted them i guess and posted back again....all his posts are in the 4Sale thread...do we know if he even owns a Yaris? No contribution to the site by posts on other sections~

People like THAT...need to have threads removed and given some notice to contribute to the site...

[tk-421]

they are in my possesion so they are personal NO .
and the only reason i put them up here for sale was i thought some people might like a bargin considering 2 sets i was selling for less than what i paid
and the 3 new sets where samples sent to me to do and develop , test
and produce instructions for direct plug and play options :bs:

As I said before, Ray, I am NOT out to get anyone, especially people who are valuable to the community as a whole.

The ONLY reason we are TEMPORARILY closing GB threads is so we can determine which threads are OK and which ones aren't.

Your thread will be back up soon, so just please be patient.

[tk-421]

Okay so why are the Yaris gauge and the mesh vent threads still up and running oh and the Eyelid thread and those are just for starters,
you want to close and delete threads play fair .:thumbdown:
Or is it becuase 1 or 2 Mods might have an interest in those items .

I have to say he has a really good point. What is the answer?

The eyelids thread is up because it's not a sales thread. It is a thread for showing off cars with eyelids on them.

The Yaris Gauge and mesh vent threads are up because they are FEELER threads. No actual sales have actually happened on those threads (yet).

[tk-421]

I am on Ray's side

Me too :smile:

I also agree why tk can have his eyelids thread and whatnot, but Ray cannot~ Makes absolute zero sense to me...

Read post above.

I occasionally buy things from members here and if members can no longer sell personal stuff car related or not, I might as well be gone from here too~

Please read what has been posted about personal sales so far. I never said personal sales are at risk.

Adding to Garm's comment "the worst offenders" [...] people like 1slowyaris...I dont know why the date of his post says yesterday..but that FS thread has been there for A WHILE~ he deleted them i guess and posted back again....all his posts are in the 4Sale thread...do we know if he even owns a Yaris? No contribution to the site by posts on other sections~

If you really want to help, please report those threads so that we can sort through them.

[tk-421]

Personal items are fine. Selling more than one is also fine, as long as you're willing to contribute a portion of the profit to the site.

I've never, ever read that on this site before. Can you point to a post or a published forum guideline about this policy?

I may have explained it incorrectly. Here it goes again:

1) Selling personal items is OK
2) Selling items for profit is OK, but you need to be an official vendor

[1NZYaris1]

This site currently only has 1 Vendor for a reason , becuase
like most of us here he beleaves it's a great site .
But lets be realistic , the fee charged to be a vendor
would require $7000.+ of product a month to be sold for it to pay for itself.
Thats working on the $$$ you told me i would need to pay
to sell to work with MI and sell there Product.

i dont really care that the thread for the OEM fog Light kits has been pulled , as it will be up and running under a Mi Vendor thread in a couple of weeks , the whole idea was to get the 3 sample kits out there ,
so people could see that there is now a OEM Quality kit , worth buying
for under $99.US and that MI has worked bloody hard to get it .

And as some will know i have put money and a lot of time into this site
thats why i send out Yarisworld Cards to people who have bought stuff from me .

[tomato]

OK, enough.


1. We have had to disable some GB threads because they were reported as "illegal sales threads" in the forum yesterday.

2. The procedure when there is a conflict in the forum and the mods present are not able to do anything about it right away for whatever reason (keep in mind the limitations of mobile devices and what not), we then temporarily disable the threads until we can look at it more closely, and sometimes, when one mod isn't clear about what needs to happen in any particular case then we wait until other mods are online so we can check with the team before making a decision. *

- As a result , the decision about what to do with a thread [or an offensive post, or an offensive member for that matter, or an illegal sales thread, or a sales thread that's perfectly legal but was erroneously reported .... ] may be delayed a day or two. We apologize for that and we ask your patience.

Did I miss anything?

1NZYaris, we didn't say your thread is gone forever, would you please be patient, please?!!! :bow:




* I can explain the reason for that separately if you want, but basically we do it that way to ensure that we have team decisions rather than decisions taken by just one mod in the heat of the moment (such as bans, locked threads or whatever).

[tomato]

And another thing. Enough with the threats and the tamper tantrums "if you don't do this or that or whatever right this fucking minute...... , I'm out of here and at MicroImage where people are happy and here you're all a bunch of jerks, and I hate you, you suck, this forum is for losers, blah, blah, blah etc., etc... " did I leave anything out? :rolleyes:

Enough of that kind of crap already! There is no need for that!!! Are you forgetting that the vast majority of us are members of both forums (AND some other forums, too), so why bring up hostility and division when there is absolutely no need for this! :rolleyes:

We all end up at the same car meets, all end up buying stuff from the same people and making the same friends. Think about it!

Everybody take a chill pill please.

[tomato]

Soap box free now :sigh:

[1NZYaris1]

So who's reporting all these threads ,
or are you saying becuase i listed just a few yesterday on this thread
you have seen how Pathetic you have been , and made those invisable
as well . :bs:
One would think IF you had a problem with a tread you would contact the
Writer of that thread , with a please explain .
Instead of going on a Ego trip , and then closing more informative threads
because you realized how wrong you are , in closing just 1 persons Threads
:respekt:
I have no problem in airing this in public , but as yet not 1 MOD
has contacted via PM or Email to explain why my threads where
pulled , and reading all the answers above still dont answer that question .

[tomato]

NZ, your latest ^ speaks for itself. I rest my case.

Nobody is going on an ego trip but it looks right now that I could spend the rest of my life trying to explain it and you still wouldn't get it. You're angry and I've learned a long time ago that it's pretty useless trying to speak to someone when they can't hear you.

Sorry you weren't contacted by PM but I think the whole explanation is in this thread.

Could you please just relax and wait for resolution? it's not much asking, is it?

[tk-421]

I'm sorry you feel that way, Ray, I really am.

I've done my best to answer those questions publicly so that everyone can get an answer at the same time. Or perhaps we should PM the same answer to everyone that has the same question?

So who's reporting all these threads ,
or are you saying becuase i listed just a few yesterday on this thread
you have seen how Pathetic you have been , and made those invisable
as well . :bs:

Sorry for being "pathetic". I'm doing the best I can to fix this ASAP. I don't know how else to explain it.

One would think IF you had a problem with a tread you would contact the
Writer of that thread , with a please explain .

This will be done from now on. We are currently working on an official announcement (as I have previously stated on this very thread) which will hopefully solve this issue once and for all.

I have no problem in airing this in public , but as yet not 1 MOD
has contacted via PM or Email to explain why my threads where
pulled , and reading all the answers above still dont answer that question .

If you have no problem discussing this in public, then why do you need a PM? :confused:

[1NZYaris1]

The whole issue i have , is the fact NO ONE contacted me , OR HAS to date , to say my threads are not aloud,they where just banished.Then because i pointed out to you that there are quite a few more threads doing the same , and only then did you block those , again i bet with out talking to the Aurthor .
Yes there are spammers , and if you consider me after 2000+ post's
so be it .
As stated 2-3 times through out this thread , i no longer care about the thread you have banished, i had no finacial Gain in tem to start with .

If Yaris World would like more Vendors the owners should be a little more transparent .:thumbsup:

[tomato]

NZ yaris nobody said you're a spammer!

I understand you're hurt because you didn't get a PM. I don't know why you didn't get a PM. Probably because whoever temporarily disabled the thread didn't think it was going to be a big deal. We do it routinely, then put the threads back up when the issue (whatever it is) is resolved.

Could you please, please give us the time we need to bring this thing to resolution?
Thanks.

(for what it's worth, I was told to take my GB thread down too, so you're not alone)

[1NZYaris1]

That is my whole piont , how do i know its an issue
if no one has informed me :iono:. My thread just's dissappears :thumbdown:

it appears threads are being banished becuase , the MOD's or Owners
of this site see fit to do so .

So be it , i must abide by the Forum rules , then so must everyone else
was the other point to this thread . It would also be great if this was in the Forum Rules , before Banishing threads .:frown:

[tomato]

That is my whole piont , how do i know its an issue
if no one has informed me :iono:. My thread just's dissappears :thumbdown:

it appears threads are being banished becuase , the MOD's or Owners
of this site see fit to do so .

So be it , i must abide by the Forum rules , then so must everyone else
was the other point to this thread . It would also be great if this was in the Forum Rules , before Banishing threads .:frown:

yeah, I hear you loud and clear., NZ I totally understand how you feel, I can see how it appears that way.

Look, nobody is doing anything on a whim, that's actually why the threads (several, not yours alone, mine too, actually) were put on hold (I've explained how the process work in one of the previous posts, didn't I?).

Speaking of rules, you make a great point, they should be more clearly stated. They will be.

If you can hang until the other mods log in, we should all get some resolution very soon.

Sorry again, NZ

[yaris-me]

That is my whole piont , how do i know its an issue
if no one has informed me :iono:. My thread just's dissappears :thumbdown:

it appears threads are being banished becuase , the MOD's or Owners
of this site see fit to do so .

So be it , i must abide by the Forum rules , then so must everyone else
was the other point to this thread . It would also be great if this was in the Forum Rules , before Banishing threads .:frown:

I agree and some mods must go. They stick their nose where they shouldn't. Some are just unfair, and flame.

[eTiMaGo]

woah everyone, let's take a step back and chill...

I'm not a moderator here but used to be, and I can firstly tell you it's an ungrateful job, lots of tough decisions to make without any guidance from the owners of the site, and all on a completely volunteer basis.

I'm not sure what is the exact deal in this recent move against For Sale threads, but it is true that some structure must be applied, this forum is only getting bigger and bigger, there's no other way around it.

Now Ray, I agree with you, one of the mods should have contacted you about it, it's not right to be left in the dark like this. But, they're still getting used to this new system, so I think they've learned how to handle this in the future.

So.. let's take a deep breath, let's let tomato, tk-421, and the other mods get their ducks in a row, and get things worked out properly.

And please please please, everybody, have respect, or as my old friends Bill & Ted would say, be excellent to each other.

[tomato]

I agree and some mods must go. They stick their nose where they shouldn't. Some are just unfair, and flame.

Be careful what you wish for.

We are volunteers after all, and can only take so much crap.

Even in a paying job situation, people will tell you a minimum of stuff, out here if you make the slightest little mistake (or not even a mistake, just an unpopular decision), peeps call you out and not in a nice way.

Ray you complain you didn't get a PM? Understood. Guess what, most of the time we don't get a PM either, we get "this forum sucks, mod privilege abuse " whatever.

You delete some post because people find them offensive, bam, 5 minutes later, another group complains that you deleted the very same posts. You don't delete the posts , and right away a whole other bunch of people complain that the posts are inflammatory and why haven't these lazy mods deleted them already?

This is just an example.

So maybe, just maybe, instead of taking this hostile, adversary attitude, some of you might try working with the mods for a change, and be part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

[bobselectric]

and I thought I was the only one who stirred the pot

[PETERPOOP]

atleast they didn't close the thread. :)

[Stove]

Just make a decision one way or the other already. The longer this drags out the worse it will get.

[tk-421]

Just make a decision one way or the other already. The longer this drags out the worse it will get.

Thanks for the helpful tip. We'll go ahead with the announcement once we're good and ready.

[tomato]

Actually I have a better idea. Even God took a day off (so I'm told) so I'm gonna go ahead and lock this thread for today so we can all enjoy our Sunday.

It may surprise you to notice there are other threads in this forum :smile:
so go enjoy, and we'll update you when we have something new to report.